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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 20, 2019 7:30:25 GMT -5
What annoys me about this whole discussion is how so many people think the chart should be less accurate just so they can be happy. This really is 2019 America, where facts are inconvenient. Y'all keep trying to basically deduce anyone who disagrees with letting Holiday songs continue charting the way they currently are to 'just wanting the chart to be less accurate'. It's incredibly one-dimensional and just dismissive overall. I personally understand the points made, but there's also other points. The issue is, the fact Holiday music will be pushing dozens of current hits and songs still into their peak as recurrent early on in their run as current rules exist. By 'keeping the chart accurate' the way it currently is, ironically, makes it far more inaccurate come January when various hits that should still be charting are no longer charting. The Holiday chokehold is much stronger every year, to the point within a few years, 20+ and 30+ Holiday songs should eventually began to chart. That would push out current songs as high as top 20, into no longer charting. A hit like Truth Hurts/Bad Guy going from months in top 10, to top 20 right around Q4, then off the chart and never re-charting within 1 month isn't accurate. A song just reaching top 20, then being pushed off the chart and not returning at the height of its run would also ofcourse not be accurate of its popularity. I don't really see how its 'wanting the charts to be less accurate' by calling that out. Also there's just things like the consequence in the future no big artist would want to release Q4, and thus the chart would deter artists from releasing new music rather than to encourage (in Q4), which is not what a chart is supposed to do. Also the point that Hot 100 is a barometer for current music -- people don't need to see Jingle Bells Rock chart at an arbitrary position 75 years later to have an understanding that its an enduring Holiday hit. People do need to see where a new Ariana/Post/Billie/a new artist's single is to have an understanding of how big it is & where their career status currently is. And having the position/chart run come off worse than it would be under normal (non Holiday) circumstances is ofcourse unfavorable.... but that's more personal opinion. The chart will always influence release schedules, whether it’s the holiday rush, the need to be the song of the summer, or having a hefty placement on the year end chart with a Q1 release. Using that as a reason isn’t exactly a good one. Plus, I’m all for putting how the Hot 100 runs in the hands of the consumer, not the control of record labels. This whole thing about only songs being pushed should be eligible is what made the hot 100 so shitty in the 90s. That shouldn’t happen ever again. The point you make about holiday songs pushing older hits to recurrent faster is valid, but you’re basically saying keep holiday songs off/reduced to keep other songs from going recurrent faster. Which is to say, make the chart inaccurate now to prevent it from being slightly inaccurate later. Recurrent rules are a whole other beast when it comes to chart accuracy and certainly shouldn’t inflict on how holiday songs chart. If the issue is with recurrent rules, tackle recurrent rules. As for the need to see what songs are hits right now, that comes down to the purpose of the hot 100 and what defines a current hit. If it’s meant to be a consumption chart, I think artists and labels should learn to deal with how holiday songs are treated by the *population* each year rather than trying to combat it by forcing them out of view on the charts. If we’re going to disallow event-based songs from charting because they’re inconvenient, why stop at the holidays? Let’s go all the way. No more Thriller and Monster Mash every Halloween. No more post-award show bumps for songs that are half a year old. No more returns of songs by artists who have just died. No more chart bombs by artists doing the Halftime Show. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 20, 2019 8:11:01 GMT -5
This s**t is why the Billboard streams week can’t align with the airplay week. Are you sure though that Billboard needs to wait for these Spotify updates to update their weekly charts? They're tracking numbers such as Apple Music and Slacker that we can't see, so I'm almost certain that they don't need us to see the Spotify numbers for them to update. I wasn’t assuming they need the actual Spotify update, I was assuming the lack of an update meant Spotify has an issue of some kind and it could also affect Billboard getting the info. Regardless we know Billboard has said the streams and sales data takes longer to get, while airplay data is essentially immediately available. What is the delay in streaming data about, then? |
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 20, 2019 8:54:26 GMT -5
US Spotify, week ending 12/19/19
1 Futsal Shuffle 2020 by Lil Uzi Vert 13,140,009
2 ROXANNE by Arizona Zervas 10,042,318
3 Adore You by Harry Styles 9,569,406
4 Circles by Post Malone 8,596,586
5 Watermelon Sugar by Harry Styles 8,252,165
6 Bandit (with YoungBoy Never Broke Again) by Juice WRLD 7,876,424
7 The Box by Roddy Ricch 7,752,444
8 Falling by Trevor Daniel 7,605,652
9 BOP by DaBaby 7,233,489
10 All I Want for Christmas Is You by Mariah Carey 6,957,673
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 20, 2019 9:07:03 GMT -5
The Beatles and Madonna are SHOOK!
This LEGEND! 15 years into her career!
🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
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Post by Mayman on Dec 20, 2019 9:15:16 GMT -5
I swear some of y'all act like those uncontacted tribes in South America who know nothing about the outside world, except the outside world here is any other section besides Chart Discussion.
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Post by Lukas on Dec 20, 2019 9:17:33 GMT -5
I swear some of y'all act like those uncontacted tribes in South America who know nothing about the outside world, except the outside world here is any other section besides Chart Discussion. Exactly. If something here isn't relevant to the Hot 100 or to the charts, then don't post it here. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 20, 2019 9:17:54 GMT -5
The Beatles and Madonna are SHOOK! This LEGEND! 15 years into her career! 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿 What does this have to do with the Hot 100? |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 20, 2019 9:46:41 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/12/20
1(=) Post Malone - Circles 128.77(+0.68)
2(=) Lizzo - Good as Hell 127.33(-0.07)
3(=) Maroon 5 - Memories 113.76(+0.21)
4(+1) Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours 106.32(+1.61)
5(-1) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 105.21(-0.83)
6(=) Selena Gomez - Lose You to Love Me 104.58(+0.36)
7(=) SHAED - Trampoline 83.97(-0.04)8 8(=) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 76.12(+0.46)
9(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 73.70(+0.11)
10(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 69.45 -0.43
21(+1) Tones and I - Dance Monkey 53.20(+1.93)
22(+1) Dustin Lynch - Ridin' Roads 51.51(+1.06)
26(+1) Arizona Zervas - ROXANNE 48.44(+0.78) 30(+3) Jon Pardi - Heartache Medication 47.05(+0.81)
46(+3) Kane Brown - Homesick 30.00(+0.73) 52(+5) DaBaby - BOP 28.04(+1.04)
57(+2) Harry Styles - Adore You 27.38(+1.03)
61(+2) Billie Eilish - everything i wanted 26.00(+0.84)
-(-) Jonas Brothers - Like It's Christmas 9.43(+3.13)
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Post by imbondz on Dec 20, 2019 9:56:25 GMT -5
Need You Now by Lady Antebellum went to #2.
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Post by Lukas on Dec 20, 2019 10:00:46 GMT -5
Need You Now by Lady Antebellum went to #2. You're right, it did. But the peak listed is what the song's peak was at the time of the charting (which was #5 in this case). |
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Post by imbondz on Dec 20, 2019 10:18:37 GMT -5
Need You Now by Lady Antebellum went to #2. You're right, it did. But the peak listed is what the song's peak was at the time of the charting (which was #5 in this case). Ok cool. I was wondering. Thanks |
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 20, 2019 10:53:00 GMT -5
The Beatles and Madonna are SHOOK! This LEGEND! 15 years into her career! 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿 What does this have to do with the Hot 100? I posted it because I wanted too. Similar to how many other people post things in here that has nothing do with the Hot 100. Anymore questions, or are we done? |
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Post by Lukas on Dec 20, 2019 10:57:35 GMT -5
What does this have to do with the Hot 100? I posted it because I wanted too. Similar to how many other people post things in here that has nothing do with the Hot 100. Anymore questions, or are we done? So just because other people do it means that you will? That's a horrible excuse to continue anything. |
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 20, 2019 11:00:29 GMT -5
Personally, I'm just eager for all these Christmas hits to fall off and for new, never-before-heard music to begin to chart. It's the start of a new decade soon, with loads of mainstream juggernauts prepping to show out for the year 2020. I'm also excited to see what new breakthrough acts we get in the new year. I feel like it'll be a wild year (and decade). MTE! I feel as if the first few years of the 2020’s will be great, but bittersweet also in the sense that the acts we grew up with will eventually hit a wall and no longer be the forces we once knew ie. Rihanna, Adele, Drake, Taylor Swift etc. Of course, they could all follow Madonna’s footsteps and be slaying their 40’s/50’s etc. but she’s an anomaly in itself. P.S: Do we know if Drake plans to release a solo project next year, or 2021 perhaps? Wasn’t their a French SONY exec. who said (leaked info) that Rihanna, Drake etc. would be releasing in December? It was all over Twitter. Well... 💀 |
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 20, 2019 11:00:43 GMT -5
I posted it because I wanted too. Similar to how many other people post things in here that has nothing do with the Hot 100. Anymore questions, or are we done? So just because other people do it means that you will? That's a horrible excuse to continue anything. Ok. |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Dec 20, 2019 11:01:53 GMT -5
2010 had some HITS
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 20, 2019 11:04:08 GMT -5
I wonder if 2020 will give us a barrage of hits, similar to 2010 did. |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Dec 20, 2019 11:06:16 GMT -5
I wonder if 2020 will give us a barrage of hits, similar to 2010 did. I hope so. I honestly think 2010 was one of the best years for music this decade. Every big artist dropped. 2016 too tho. I hope 2020 is like this. I mean 2019 was so dry so 2020 has to be good, right? ;) |
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Post by moonlite on Dec 20, 2019 11:07:33 GMT -5
P.S: Do we know if Drake plans to release a solo project next year, or 2021 perhaps? Nothings confirmed but he most likely is dropping in 2020 |
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Post by Zeebz on Dec 20, 2019 11:12:15 GMT -5
Friendly reminder to keep this thread (as well as other Hot 100 threads) on topic, with discussion remaining tied to this current tracking week. If you see any off topic posts, remember to report those and as staff we will deal with them accordingly. In the meantime, you’re more than welcome to utilize the Hot 100 General Discussion thread (or, y’know, other, more appropriate areas of the board) to post these off topic comments.
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Post by lazer on Dec 20, 2019 11:12:32 GMT -5
I wonder if 2020 will give us a barrage of hits, similar to 2010 did. I hope so. I honestly think 2010 was one of the best years for music this decade. Every big artist dropped. 2016 too tho. I hope 2020 is like this. I mean 2019 was so dry so 2020 has to be good, right? ;) Yeah, I hope 2020 has big, eventful hits. This year only had Old Town Road, Bad Guy, and maybe Senorita. |
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Post by kingvavis on Dec 20, 2019 11:15:03 GMT -5
I hope so. I honestly think 2010 was one of the best years for music this decade. Every big artist dropped. 2016 too tho. I hope 2020 is like this. I mean 2019 was so dry so 2020 has to be good, right? ;) Yeah, I hope 2020 has big, eventful hits. This year only had Old Town Road, Bad Guy, and maybe Senorita. For sure Senorita as well as Sunflower, 7 Rings and Truth Hurts. |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Dec 20, 2019 11:18:32 GMT -5
Senorita was shit lol
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Post by Lukas on Dec 20, 2019 11:21:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I hope 2020 has big, eventful hits. This year only had Old Town Road, Bad Guy, and maybe Senorita. For sure Senorita as well as Sunflower, 7 Rings and Truth Hurts. What about Without Me? I don't like that song but it was huge, and will definitely be eventful for some people. |
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Post by ddlz on Dec 20, 2019 11:24:02 GMT -5
P.S: Do we know if Drake plans to release a solo project next year, or 2021 perhaps?  |
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Post by renaboss on Dec 20, 2019 12:11:02 GMT -5
Mariah releasing a new music video makes it feel even more like it's a 2019 hit, you know? Not just a classic.
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 20, 2019 12:17:18 GMT -5
Mariah releasing a new music video makes it feel even more like it's a 2019 hit, you know? Not just a classic. It's a song from 1994 that hit #1 in 2019. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 20, 2019 12:55:26 GMT -5
Personally, I'm just eager for all these Christmas hits to fall off and for new, never-before-heard music to begin to chart. It's the start of a new decade soon, with loads of mainstream juggernauts prepping to show out for the year 2020. I'm also excited to see what new breakthrough acts we get in the new year. I feel like it'll be a wild year (and decade). MTE! I feel as if the first few years of the 2020’s will be great, but bittersweet also in the sense that the acts we grew up with will eventually hit a wall and no longer be the forces we once knew ie. Rihanna, Adele, Drake, Taylor Swift etc. Of course, they could all follow Madonna’s footsteps and be slaying their 40’s/50’s etc. but she’s an anomaly in itself. P.S: Do we know if Drake plans to release a solo project next year, or 2021 perhaps? Wasn’t their a French SONY exec. who said (leaked info) that Rihanna, Drake etc. would be releasing in December? It was all over Twitter. Well... 💀 I don't think Drake will be slowing down anytime soon. He's still a major commercial force and the biggest streaming artist. He'll be releasing a new album next year. He's been working on it at his home studio in Toronto for several weeks now. |
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 20, 2019 13:40:09 GMT -5
Friendly reminder to keep this thread (as well as other Hot 100 threads) on topic, with discussion remaining tied to this current tracking week. If you see any off topic posts, remember to report those and as staff we will deal with them accordingly. In the meantime, you’re more than welcome to utilize the Hot 100 General Discussion thread (or, y’know, other more appropriate areas of the board) to post these off topic comments. Just because other people do it doesn’t mean you should too ;) Well, the 1/4/2020 thread is already off the rails. |
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