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Post by GP on Jul 25, 2020 9:35:54 GMT -5
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Post by GP on Jul 25, 2020 9:37:53 GMT -5
Both DSN and NR are career-defining as much as any other song, NR's recurrents are incredible, and DSN is 9/10 months in and still fresh as hell with incredible stats.
One would argue One Kiss is also a major career-defining in Europe, it was so dominant there.
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Post by chartfreak on Jul 25, 2020 10:20:29 GMT -5
Thanks a lot TS, now for sure this has no chance of nearing top 10 on H100. Lol
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Post by kimberly on Jul 25, 2020 12:06:29 GMT -5
Not quite . Don't Start Now was a #2 hit and is pretty universally known/enjoyed. I wouldn't say it was a smash like Umbrella or Since U Been Gone but don't underestimate that one, it will probably stand the test of time. Ooooh didn’t realize DSN reached #2. My opinion doesn’t change that while they were hits, they weren’t that career-defining song that will get tons of recurrent play moving forward. I know she has it in her, and I feel it coming for her. Either way, kudos to this songs success and glad she’s continuing her radio dominance. New Rules also broke the record for most weeks on the pop radio chart & became the #1 song of the year so I'm p sure it's very memorable and will continue getting recurrent airplay. DSN will finish very high this year too. New Rules has 2.1B views on YouTube & 1.4B on Spotify. Iconic numbers luv.
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Post by collin on Jul 26, 2020 2:34:18 GMT -5
Dua is the little engine that could. Huge congrats to her. She doesn’t feel like a mega-superstar yet but she is on her way. Reminds me of Rihanna ala 2006 where she was churning out hits but hadn’t had her Umbrella level hit yet. I think Dua will have her Umbrella moment next era. I feel it coming. Are you for real? She had New Rules and Don't Start Now, you could chose what you prefere to be her Umbrella moment. Those songs are nowhere near the level of Umbrella. Honestly they don’t even feel as big as Pon De Replay
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 26, 2020 5:28:12 GMT -5
POP: 3 1 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 17927 16171 1756 82.761
+225 Spins +131 Bullet +1.156 Audience
HOT AC: 10 9 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 3813 3525 288 19.400
+25 Spins -23 Bullet +0.249 Audience
AC: 18 18 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 100 92 8 0.328
+1 Spin = Bullet -0.007 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 48 48 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 478 448 30 0.968
+4 Spins -1 Bullet +0.007 Audience
SPINS: 892 Spins ahead of #2, Harry Styles (+39)
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Post by GP on Jul 26, 2020 10:23:43 GMT -5
Are you for real? She had New Rules and Don't Start Now, you could chose what you prefere to be her Umbrella moment. Those songs are nowhere near the level of Umbrella. Honestly they don’t even feel as big as Pon De Replay well to you. This is all kind of subjective. In the US all of her big hits were slow burners, heck IDGAF has 400m+ on-demand streams and only peaked at #26... but it's impossible to be from Europe/ latin America and not feel at least one of those moments. New Rules, One Kiss, Don't Start Now...
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Post by brokenhearts on Jul 26, 2020 12:58:52 GMT -5
Final prediction for BB Hot 100: Break my Heart is #14 (new peak).
Come on top ten.
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Jul 26, 2020 14:00:33 GMT -5
Are you for real? She had New Rules and Don't Start Now, you could chose what you prefere to be her Umbrella moment. I just don’t feel like New Rules or Don’t Start Now are career-defining songs though. And while they were hits, they failed to reach top 5 on the Hot 100. I mean, she’s a radio darling right now, but I’d love for her to find her Umbrella/Since U Been Gone level smash next. Don’t start now got to #2, but I agree, neither is Umbrella-tier
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Post by brokenhearts on Jul 26, 2020 14:20:24 GMT -5
I just don’t feel like New Rules or Don’t Start Now are career-defining songs though. And while they were hits, they failed to reach top 5 on the Hot 100. I mean, she’s a radio darling right now, but I’d love for her to find her Umbrella/Since U Been Gone level smash next. Don’t start now got to #2, but I agree, neither is Umbrella-tier New Rules was one of the biggest hits of that year worldwide. That's her Umbrella moment for me, it was the song that elevated her. Be the One was more Pon de Replay.
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Jul 26, 2020 14:34:27 GMT -5
Don’t start now got to #2, but I agree, neither is Umbrella-tier New Rules was one of the biggest hits of that year worldwide. That's her Umbrella moment for me, it was the song that elevated her. Be the One was more Pon de Replay. Be the one isn’t even close to Pon de Replay. I don’t even know what that is.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Jul 26, 2020 15:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by iamsorare on Jul 26, 2020 15:33:31 GMT -5
It's just needs to peak higher than #17 tomorrow so it won't break demi's record for the lowest hot 100 peaking song who went #1 on pop radio..a #15 or #14 peak tomorrow will be good
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Post by brokenhearts on Jul 26, 2020 15:38:51 GMT -5
New Rules was one of the biggest hits of that year worldwide. That's her Umbrella moment for me, it was the song that elevated her. Be the One was more Pon de Replay. Be the one isn’t even close to Pon de Replay. I don’t even know what that is. Maybe you think the US is the world.
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Post by levitating on Jul 26, 2020 15:42:27 GMT -5
It's just needs to peak higher than #17 tomorrow so it won't break demi's record for the lowest hot 100 peaking song who went #1 on pop radio..a #15 or #14 peak tomorrow will be good actually the record is held by trevor daniels’ “falling” now which peaked at #17. but BMH is predicted to rise to #14 tomorrow so yeah we should be safe.
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Post by GP on Jul 26, 2020 16:04:14 GMT -5
New Rules was one of the biggest hits of that year worldwide. That's her Umbrella moment for me, it was the song that elevated her. Be the One was more Pon de Replay. Be the one isn’t even close to Pon de Replay. I don’t even know what that is. Well.. not everyone knew what Pon de Replay was when Rih debuted
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Jul 26, 2020 16:51:29 GMT -5
Be the one isn’t even close to Pon de Replay. I don’t even know what that is. Maybe you think the US is the world. Um, I don’t, but that doesn’t change that I don’t know what it is. Even just looking at charts across the world you can see Pon de Replay was bigger, not to mention its lasting relevance. I’m not challenging the fact that Be the One was a big hit outside the US, but it’s clearly not as big as Pon de Replay.
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Post by MissAmericana on Jul 26, 2020 16:57:20 GMT -5
I'm surprised to see this still gaining! Fingers crossed for a Top 15 spot on the Hot 100.
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Post by brokenhearts on Jul 26, 2020 19:26:29 GMT -5
Maybe you think the US is the world. Um, I don’t, but that doesn’t change that I don’t know what it is. Even just looking at charts across the world you can see Pon de Replay was bigger, not to mention its lasting relevance. I’m not challenging the fact that Be the One was a big hit outside the US, but it’s clearly not as big as Pon de Replay. No one outside the US knows what is Pon De Replay. I'm not denying it was a hit but the impact is similar of both songs in my opinion. And I still think New Rules is her Umbrella, not the same success ? Maybe, but both songs catapulted Rihanna and Dua to star level. They both were less known before those songs, the comparition is not that crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 19:47:44 GMT -5
Dua's career trajectory thus far is not similar enough for any of these comparisons to stick to be honest. That's not shade toward Dua - New Rules and DSN are both career-defining hits IMO - it's just different circumstances I think. If I had to force a Dua/Rihanna comparison I'd say NR and DSN are like...Pon De Replay and SOS maybe. We only dismiss those latter two as not career defining for Rihanna now because we know she went on to do even bigger things later, but they defined Rihanna's career at the time they were hits and any pop artist would be more than happy to build a career full of PDR, SOS sized hits if they could.
But I can't really think of anyone for whom Dua has a similar (stateside) beginning to. I would have said she was shaping up to be a nu Kylie when she was on One Kiss and Electricity and looking like she'd be an international-only queen, but now that DSN and BMH have done well for her all over that doesn't fit either.
I like the idea of Dua's career already being its own brand of unique.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Jul 26, 2020 20:30:26 GMT -5
SUNDAY PUBLISHED 7/26 UPDATE:
POP: 3 1 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 17943 16171 1772 82.790
Dua's Top 40/M peaks to date:
#1. "New Rules" #1. "Don't Start Now" #1. "Break My Heart" #9. "One Kiss" (Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa) #11. "IDGAF" #13. "Electricity" (Silk City & Dua Lipa) #19. "Swan Song" #21. "Scared to Be Lonely" (Martin Garrix & Dua Lipa) #23. "Blow Your Mind (Mwah)" #37. "Be the One" #41. "No Lie" (Sean Paul featuring Dua Lipa)
Chart run: 40 − 21 − 16 − 15 − 13 − 11 − 11 − 10 − 9 − 7 − 7 − 7 − 6 − 6 − 5 − 3 − 3 − 1 − (...)
HOT AC: 10 9 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 3814 3525 289 19.402
AC: 18 18 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 100 92 8 0.328
RHYTHMIC: 48 46 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 479 448 31 0.970
SPANISH CONTEMPORARY: 46 46 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 167 167 0 1.716
DANCE: 21 26 DUA LIPA Break My Heart 151 168 -17 0.064
Officially atop at Pop.
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Post by aussie1 on Jul 26, 2020 23:01:59 GMT -5
Congrats Dua! What an amazing era she has had so far. So so proud.
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Post by brokenhearts on Jul 26, 2020 23:44:10 GMT -5
Dua's career trajectory thus far is not similar enough for any of these comparisons to stick to be honest. That's not shade toward Dua - New Rules and DSN are both career-defining hits IMO - it's just different circumstances I think. If I had to force a Dua/Rihanna comparison I'd say NR and DSN are like...Pon De Replay and SOS maybe. We only dismiss those latter two as not career defining for Rihanna now because we know she went on to do even bigger things later, but they defined Rihanna's career at the time they were hits and any pop artist would be more than happy to build a career full of PDR, SOS sized hits if they could. But I can't really think of anyone for whom Dua has a similar (stateside) beginning to. I would have said she was shaping up to be a nu Kylie when she was on One Kiss and Electricity and looking like she'd be an international-only queen, but now that DSN and BMH have done well for her all over that doesn't fit either. I like the idea of Dua's career already being its own brand of unique. Sorry but New Rules and DSN were way bigger than Pon de Replay and SOS. You looking at this with the US in mind. But even DSN was bigger there. Pon de Replay charted for 29 weeks. DSN is in her 37th week and it's still top 40. 12 weeks for Pon de Replay on the top ten, while DSN spent more than that there. Facts are facts.
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Post by aussie1 on Jul 27, 2020 0:09:10 GMT -5
While PDR and SOS didn't chart for as long, I think it's important to note that 14-15 years ago the charts were different. If you go back and look at the chart majority of songs were lucky you chart for 30+ weeks. It's really hard to compare songs from different times to each other. Like PDR and SOS have both sold millions WW and have 'only' been streamed several hundred million. Whereas Don't Start Now has probably not even cracked 1M WW sales yet has been streamed 1B times on Spotify alone.
At the end of the day all 4 songs mentioned were all huge hits. 2 at the very start of the digital era. And the others in the middle of the streaming era.
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Post by Exclusive on Jul 27, 2020 0:30:18 GMT -5
I can understand the basis of the Dua/Rihanna comparison, but to strictly compare them based on numbers and chart positions isn't fair and doesn't always make room for a productive discussion. The chart climate in which Dua & Rihanna hit the scene is different (a ten-year change in how music is consumed and ranked), not to mention their the point of time in which they had their breakthrough moment. Rihanna was getting hits and charting in the top ten in almost every major market since her debut single while It took some time before Dua got her footing with "New Rules" which in my opinion is on par then "Pon De Replay" if we compare them solely based on chart peaks.
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Post by levitating on Jul 27, 2020 1:00:17 GMT -5
i don’t think dua’s career trajectory is comparable to rihanna’s. If looking solely at the US, I would say that New Rules could be her Miss Independent and DSN her Since U Been Gone (both 1 week at #2 and 20 weeks top 10, lol). But If looking globally it would be hard to tell. I’d never even heard of scared to be lonely until this year and it has over 800 million spotify streams, so obviously not all of her hits have really reached the US, but New Rules IMO was definitely a massive breakthrough hit globally and good be compared to umbrella, 1.4 billion spotify streams and 2.2 billion youtube views isn’t anything to joke about.
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Post by brokenhearts on Jul 27, 2020 1:07:56 GMT -5
I love Rihanna but she was a nobody in Latin America before Umbrella. Dua has the whole continent since the first album. We are comparing both with the world in mind, not just the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 1:49:17 GMT -5
Dua's career trajectory thus far is not similar enough for any of these comparisons to stick to be honest. That's not shade toward Dua - New Rules and DSN are both career-defining hits IMO - it's just different circumstances I think. If I had to force a Dua/Rihanna comparison I'd say NR and DSN are like...Pon De Replay and SOS maybe. We only dismiss those latter two as not career defining for Rihanna now because we know she went on to do even bigger things later, but they defined Rihanna's career at the time they were hits and any pop artist would be more than happy to build a career full of PDR, SOS sized hits if they could. But I can't really think of anyone for whom Dua has a similar (stateside) beginning to. I would have said she was shaping up to be a nu Kylie when she was on One Kiss and Electricity and looking like she'd be an international-only queen, but now that DSN and BMH have done well for her all over that doesn't fit either. I like the idea of Dua's career already being its own brand of unique. Sorry but New Rules and DSN were way bigger than Pon de Replay and SOS. You looking at this with the US in mind. But even DSN was bigger there. Pon de Replay charted for 29 weeks. DSN is in her 37th week and it's still top 40. 12 weeks for Pon de Replay on the top ten, while DSN spent more than that there. Facts are facts. a) I thought it was a given that this was a US-specific discussion, given that everyone is using US stats to boost their sides of the argument. But if you want to bring WW stats into this I think this actually weakens your point rather than strengthen it; IIRC Rihanna, like Dua, took off internationally faster than she took off here (by int'l I am mainly referring to Europe though). In the US she was still 'just' a hitmaker with those first two albums, not a bona fide star. And I do think the same could be said for Dua right now. She is a hitmaker but I don't think I'd say her fame in the US extends beyond that just yet. b) You are reading more into my point about PDR and SOS more than is necessary as I said from the jump that I don't find their careers similar enough to compare. PDR and SOS are just the two Rihanna singles that Dua's hits are closer to being analogous (IMO) IF one is going to try to compare, and that is almost purely due to timing. PDR/SOS were Rihanna's first two big hits in the US, each from a first and second album; and New Rules/DSN were Dua's first two big hits in the US, each from a first and second album. Umbrella was from Rihanna's third album; Dua does not yet have a third album. It's not at all a surprise that most people aren't feeling the Umbrella parallel, if for no other reason than that Dua is literally not at the time stamp in her career where an Umbrella moment could even be a thing yet. c) You can't pick and choose when you want numbers to work for you. PDR isn't even the song you should be comparing to DSN (PDR->New Rules and SOS->DSN in this case; fwiw SOS spent 28 weeks on the Hot 100) but either way, you're trying to argue that that PDR and SOS' higher chart peaks can't be compared to DSN's longevity...while also trying to convince us that it makes sense to compare DSN's longevity to Umbrella's 7-week #1 peak. And it's not like those early Rihanna singles hit one week and died the next. PDR and SOS each spent over half a year on the chart, and that is with Rihanna being signed to a label that consciously focused more on peaks than longevity anyway (to the point of almost kneecapping her songs when they were ready to move on to the next). But this really just bolsters my original main point that a Rihanna/Dua comparison simply isn't gonna work. DSN isn't resting on the same shelf as any of the Rih songs being mentioned and Dua/her team isn't navigating her career the same way Rihanna/her early team handled hers.
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Post by brokenhearts on Jul 27, 2020 1:54:31 GMT -5
Sorry but New Rules and DSN were way bigger than Pon de Replay and SOS. You looking at this with the US in mind. But even DSN was bigger there. Pon de Replay charted for 29 weeks. DSN is in her 37th week and it's still top 40. 12 weeks for Pon de Replay on the top ten, while DSN spent more than that there. Facts are facts. a) I thought it was a given that this was a US-specific discussion, given that everyone is using US stats to boost their sides of the argument. But if you want to bring WW stats into this I think this actually weakens your point rather than strengthen it; IIRC Rihanna, like Dua, took off internationally faster than she took off here (by int'l I am mainly referring to Europe though). In the US she was still 'just' a hitmaker with those first two albums, not a bona fide star. And I do think the same could be said for Dua right now. She is a hitmaker but I don't think I'd say her fame in the US extends beyond that just yet. b) You are reading more into my point about PDR and SOS more than is necessary as I said from the jump that I don't find their careers similar enough to compare. PDR and SOS are just the two Rihanna singles that Dua's hits are closer to being analogous (IMO) IF one is going to try to compare, and that is almost purely due to timing. PDR/SOS were Rihanna's first two big hits in the US, each from a first and second album; and New Rules/DSN were Dua's first two big hits in the US, each from a first and second album. Umbrella was from Rihanna's third album; Dua does not yet have a third album. It's not at all a surprise that most people aren't feeling the Umbrella parallel, if for no other reason than that Dua is literally not at the time stamp in her career where an Umbrella moment could even be a thing yet. c) You can't pick and choose when you want numbers to work for you. PDR isn't even the song you should be comparing to DSN (PDR->New Rules and SOS->DSN in this case; fwiw SOS spent 28 weeks on the Hot 100) but either way, you're trying to argue that that PDR and SOS' higher chart peaks can't be compared to DSN's longevity...while also trying to convince us that it makes sense to compare DSN's longevity to Umbrella's 7-week #1 peak. And it's not like those early Rihanna singles hit one week and died the next. PDR and SOS each spent over half a year on the chart, and that is with Rihanna being signed to a label that consciously focused more on peaks than longevity anyway (to the point of almost kneecapping her songs when they were ready to move on to the next). But this really just bolsters my original main point that a Rihanna/Dua comparison simply isn't gonna work. DSN isn't resting on the same shelf as any of the Rih songs being mentioned and Dua/her team isn't navigating her career the same way Rihanna/her early team handled hers. You really mixed everything. But it's ok.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 27, 2020 2:38:48 GMT -5
Cynthia, I think we're dealing with that kind of stan so IDK if it's worth trying to engage...
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