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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Nov 24, 2020 15:26:16 GMT -5
Just noticed Selener got snubbed too. Someone wake her up and let her know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 15:27:56 GMT -5
A lil upset not a single nom for Rina but it isn't a surprise At least Fiona got some noms
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 24, 2020 15:30:02 GMT -5
Just noticed Selener got snubbed too. Someone wake her up and let her know. While nudging Camila to inform of the news too
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 24, 2020 15:34:01 GMT -5
Metacritic, peak/T10 weeks/#1 weeks, Highest charting songs: Jhene n/a, #2/5 weeks, 24/40/51 Black Pumas 77, #200, n/a Coldplay 73, #7/1 week, n/a Jacob n/a, n/a, n/a Haim 89, #13, n/a Dua 88, #4/3, 2/13/20
Post 79, #1/a ton/5, 1/1/2 Taylor 88, #1/13/8, 1/4/6
I'm not saying it should be a popularity contest but it's interesting that half the nominees didn't chart any songs. And it looks like none of those got a genre album nom so they're very committee-based picks...
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 15:35:03 GMT -5
So let's think of the top 20 albums that would have been up for discussion for AOTY. From the obvious nominees we have from Pop: Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa, Post Malone (obviously), Rock/Alternative: Coldplay and HAIM, R&B: Jhene Aiko, Jacob Collier(?), and Americana?: Black Pumas
So since Post didnt make Pop Album, I think it is safe to assume Bieber, Gaga and Harry made top 20 (that leaves 9 spots left) Beck, Brittany Howard, Fiona, Chloe and Hailie likely made top 20. (5 spots left) Possibly Tame Impala and John Legend (3 spots left) One of the country and rap albums likely did (1 left)
I feel like The Weeknd did not make the top 20 in AOTY. Blinding Lights, though..is shocking. Yet it wasn't even top 6 in Pop. One would think if you're voting for xx song/album in its genre you're likely casting your vote in the GF as well.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 24, 2020 15:39:43 GMT -5
14887fan are big wig record executives apart of the voting process as well? Nominating process, perhaps. Just depends on who’s on boards and committees. But voting for the awards themselves? Yes, so long as they meet the appropriate requirements that TRA sets up in order for someone to be considered a voting member — a certain amount of credits on (X) amounts of releases, having a defined role as a creator of some sense, etc. It’s vague and workable for people to become members, but a case has to be made before they’re cleared. tl;dr, some of them, yes.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 24, 2020 15:39:53 GMT -5
I remember that travesty, but w/e, it was strange considering she was everywhere that year.
Ok after sucking Bieber lemme get to my other thoughts: •Happy for Meg, well deserved and a big moment for women rappers. •Same sentiments for Doja(except I wish the remix(another big moment)got nominated) •I kinda like the "Melodic Rap" and "Progressive R&B" changes. Gave more people a shot at a nomination. •Didn't expect BTS getting nominated but I am elated for KPop in general. •Women(POC as well) f**king dominated majority of these noms and I love it. •Weeknd not being nominated for anything is shocking tbh.
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 24, 2020 15:42:23 GMT -5
I feel like The Weeknd did not make the top 20 in AOTY. You and you alone
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 24, 2020 15:46:05 GMT -5
We can't believe that either...
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 15:51:33 GMT -5
I feel like The Weeknd did not make the top 20 in AOTY. You and you alone Are you aware of how few vote in the first round of nominations? It's very much a good possibility the Weeknd did not get into the top 20 for AOTY.
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Post by jdanton2 on Nov 24, 2020 15:53:47 GMT -5
shocked at The Weeeknd snub. Blinding Light seemed a lock for Record. though i am very happy 2 of my favorites this year Circles and Say So were nominated.
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Post by Khia on Nov 24, 2020 15:54:05 GMT -5
I cannot at Harry getting snubbed from the general field and *especially* The Weeknd getting nothing, but fucking "Yummy" got a nomination??? What the actual fuck. And then Justin has the nerve to whine about it when not one of his nominations were deserved 🥴
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 24, 2020 16:01:33 GMT -5
I just realized Jason Isbel isn’t nominated. This list is probably going to keep growing for a minute
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Post by Choco on Nov 24, 2020 16:12:08 GMT -5
Beyoncé and Justin Bieber? In 2020?
No The Weeknd? Terrible job all around.
I hope Dua and Taylor get all the awards, bye.
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Post by bat1990 on Nov 24, 2020 16:15:41 GMT -5
I am on the floor at women having 100% of the noms for Best Country Album and Best Rock Song.
However, I am sad that The Chicks have zero nominations after being Grammy darlings for so long.
EDIT: Wait, where's Toni Braxton??? She usually gets some Grammy love? No Alicia Keys either with her strongest album in over a decade? But Beyoncé has the most nominations for a recycled soundtrack from 2019.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 24, 2020 16:17:46 GMT -5
did Yummy get a nomination or was it a fever dream
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 24, 2020 16:18:29 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Nov 24, 2020 16:23:21 GMT -5
Every year they continue their slow descent into oblivion. They think it's about diversity but in reality it's far more complex than that. The process is flawed and keeps making these stupid snubs and stuff happen.
I understand they regret Lemonade-gate but do really need to keep nominating Beyonce? When she won with that Jay Z collab album it was dumb enough. The only nod I can understand for Bieber is the one for "Intentions". Harry Styles did way worse than expected as well, although his team will take the nods after he got zero for that first album.
I guess Dua did alright? And Taylor certainly got back in their good graces.
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Nov 24, 2020 16:25:00 GMT -5
This is ridiculous!
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 24, 2020 16:30:37 GMT -5
Every year they continue their slow descent into oblivion. They think it's about diversity but in reality it's far more complex than that. The process is flawed and keeps making these stupid snubs and stuff happen. I understand they regret Lemonade-gate but do really need to keep nominating Beyonce? When she won with that Jay Z collab album it was dumb enough. The only nod I can understand for Bieber is the one for "Intentions". Harry Styles did way worse than expected as well, although his team will take the nods after he got zero for that first album. I guess Dua did alright? And Taylor certainly got back in their good graces. In these fragmented times, they would be diverse enough by choosing actually the greatest albums and songs all around. No one would complain. It is pretty simple really, at least from my point of view. Instead they choose songs and albums no one in their sane minds would choose.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 24, 2020 16:33:00 GMT -5
I'm shooketh at "Blinding Lights" and Fetch the Bolt Cutters being snubbed in general field nominations. Very happy to see Dua Lipa, Beyoncé and Taylor get what they deserve.
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Post by bat1990 on Nov 24, 2020 16:36:32 GMT -5
I was holding out for JoJo, but I'm not surprised she got nothing did Yummy get a nomination or was it a fever dream Unfortunately it is not a fever dream. Yummy got into the Best Pop Solo field.
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Post by Choco on Nov 24, 2020 16:48:14 GMT -5
Every year they continue their slow descent into oblivion. They think it's about diversity but in reality it's far more complex than that. The process is flawed and keeps making these stupid snubs and stuff happen. I understand they regret Lemonade-gate but do really need to keep nominating Beyonce? When she won with that Jay Z collab album it was dumb enough. The only nod I can understand for Bieber is the one for "Intentions". Harry Styles did way worse than expected as well, although his team will take the nods after he got zero for that first album. I guess Dua did alright? And Taylor certainly got back in their good graces. In these fragmented times, they would be diverse enough by choosing actually the greatest albums and songs all around. No one would complain. It is pretty simple really, at least from my point of view. Instead they choose songs and albums no one in their sane minds would choose. Yeah, I feel like 95% of the time by choosing better albums they would have also fixed the diversity complains. They just get fixated on some people and keep overrewarding them when possible.
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Post by leonagwen on Nov 24, 2020 16:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Nov 24, 2020 16:56:27 GMT -5
King Bieber got that yummy yum. Bon Appetit! Fall in line, peasants! I actually was hoping Changes would be nominated for Pop Vocal Album (and it was on my list) , but I thought there was no way!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 17:05:15 GMT -5
I feel like The Weeknd did not make the top 20 in AOTY. You and you alone Actually he's not alone on that. I have a theory - admittedly a crackpot conspiracy one, but hear me out. Weeknd is on Republic, as are Taylor and Post Malone. It does not make ANY kind of sense that the label would be able to pull in nominations for two of their biggest acts and then suddenly drop the ball on the third guy who had just as big a year, if not bigger. And it's not like The Weeknd is a stranger to Grammys. So this, to me, feels like the label intentionally did not campaign hard/at all for The Weeknd, to the point where he may indeed have fallen short of the votes needed to make the short list. If Weeknd did indeed miss that list, Harvey Mason should have hinted or flat out said that instead of going out of his way to explain that the panel can't vote for what isn't there just to play coy with whether Weeknd made it or not. That only made NARAS look even more trash than it already does. If this theory holds it also explains how Justin was able to squeeze into the pop solo and pop album categories. Scooter works hard but I highly doubt Changes or Yummy were on anyone's radar more than After Hours and Blinding Lights were. Now, the thing that throws this whole theory off for me is the Super Bowl. Abel clearly isn't being blackballed - on the contrary, he's having an absolute moment right now. That moment, and his track record as a whole, aren't adding up to his complete absence from the Grammy nominations. But a snub directed by someone inside the industry (possibly someone you'd otherwise expect to fully support him) is the only semi-logical explanation that I can conjure up right now.
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 24, 2020 17:08:42 GMT -5
No Alicia Keys either with her strongest album in over a decade? The album was released after the deadline.
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 17:13:19 GMT -5
Actually he's not alone on that. I have a theory - admittedly a crackpot conspiracy one, but hear me out. Weeknd is on Republic, as are Taylor and Post Malone. It does not make ANY kind of sense that the label would be able to pull in nominations for two of their biggest acts and then suddenly drop the ball on the third guy who had just as big a year, if not bigger. And it's not like The Weeknd is a stranger to Grammys. So this, to me, feels like the label intentionally did not campaign hard/at all for The Weeknd, to the point where he may indeed have fallen short of the votes needed to make the short list. If Weeknd did indeed miss that list, Harvey Mason should have hinted or flat out said that instead of going out of his way to explain that the panel can't vote for what isn't there just to play coy with whether Weeknd made it or not. That only made NARAS look even more trash than it already does. If this theory holds it also explains how Justin was able to squeeze into the pop solo and pop album categories. Scooter works hard but I highly doubt Changes or Yummy were on anyone's radar more than After Hours and Blinding Lights were. Now, the thing that throws this whole theory off for me is the Super Bowl. Abel clearly isn't being blackballed - on the contrary, he's having an absolute moment right now. That moment, and his track record as a whole, aren't adding up to his complete absence from the Grammy nominations. But a snub directed by someone inside the industry (possibly someone you'd otherwise expect to fully support him) is the only semi-logical explanation that I can conjure up right now. I know I'm not alone, far from it. People also need to realize the amount of voters in the first round is significantly smaller than the amount in the second round of voting aka the final round. Like, we're talking only hundreds of people TOTAL vote in the first round, so it really isn't that far-fetched that people can miss nominations. And if they legitimately only look at the top 20 in the GF, then The Weeknd's misses in Pop should tell you he more than likely did not get the support in the GF. Again, first round voting is a small percentage of actual voters - which is kind of stupid. If you don't vote in the initial round, you shouldn't be able to vote in the last round (imo).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 17:13:29 GMT -5
Other thoughts:
Nicki irks me more often than not with her attitude, but that tweet isn't wrong so I'm going to let her hold that. 2010 BNA was the prelude to Beyonce's self-titled losing AOTY to Beck.
On that note, I am convinced Beyonce's nominations this year serve no other purpose than to piss people off enough to make us forget the two times the Grammys pissed people off by not giving Beyonce an AOTY. (Actually three times but I don't think anyone cared then or now that IA...SF lost) The weirdest thing about Bey's noms is that Beyonce herself can't even be bothered to do promo for her music. I'd understand it if she was still trying to shake the table or prove points, but she's in full on no fucks given mode and I kind of feel like any nominations must feel pointless to her these days if there isn't a chance at a general field win - and she could have very easily just relied upon her Savage feature for that bc that's the only slim chance she has of winning in GF this year. So who is going through all the trouble to get her these votes?
I don't think Taylor is a sure shot for AOTY or pop album win. Not writing her off at all, but I think Dua could possibly pull off an upset there. Folklore has the sales but Future Nostalgia has the hits, and it's hard to say which one would pull in more votes in the end. AOTY, right now, is looking like a race between those two with Jhene as potential spoiler if they vote split too hard. Actually, wouldn't be surprised to see one of them win AOTY but then both lose pop album to Harry (which has sales AND hits).
We seriously just got an AOTY field where 5 of the albums did not even get a genre nomination to match. How is anyone supposed to take the 'short list' thing seriously when that happens?
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Post by Mike on Nov 24, 2020 17:15:01 GMT -5
Aside from Abel being snubbed, my biggest question mark is Cardi's team not submitting WAP. They said they're saving it for next year as a larger part of the album campaign, but... that doesn't make sense. The song can't be eligible if it was released during this eligibility period unless it's some remix or a live version. I do not see that happening in any way, shape, or form. They really dropped the ball on that. Even if the album version WAS eligible, is anyone really going to be checking for that song a year and a half after it's release?
Would've been a guaranteed nomination and probably a win for both of them if they had submitted this year. So stupid.
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