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Post by nickd on Nov 24, 2020 21:08:40 GMT -5
The fact that The Weeknd didn't get any pop field nominations makes me think he didn't get enough nominations to enter the top 20 of the general field that the special committee selects from? I know that sounds absurd but if so few people vote and there's so many submissions to pick from (more submissions than voters) then maybe the votes are spread thinly enough that even the top voted submissions only have like 4-5 votes?
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 21:12:46 GMT -5
The fact that The Weeknd didn't get any pop field nominations makes me think he didn't get enough nominations to enter the top 20 of the general field that the special committee selects from? I know that sounds absurd but if so few people vote and there's so many submissions to pick from (more submissions than voters) then maybe the votes are spread thinly enough that even the top voted submissions only have like 4-5 votes? That's my thinking, it's the only way I can justify him not showing up - anywhere. Yet, people here refuse to acknowledge this as a viable option. Only about 500 voted in the first round last year or the year before, whatever it was. That's not many when you consider how many categories there are. Also, Harvey Mason said something to the voters about actually voting.
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Post by kanimal on Nov 24, 2020 21:13:08 GMT -5
Wow, the ultimatum thing makes the Grammy's look like even more of a embarrassment than they did before. " Lose the biggest performance of your life or we won't nominate you!!!" Complete bulls**t. More industry people need to speak up on this. That's not what they said. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he pissed off some of the wrong people during the negotiation, who then responded by snubbing him in the nominations, but the ultimatum specifically concerned the idea of performing at the Grammys. There has long been talk that the Grammys were very controlling over where else their performers were allowed to perform. It initially seemed like a BS theory, since there have definitely been cases of Grammy performers playing other shows. But this story suggests there is truth to it.
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 21:16:05 GMT -5
Wow, the ultimatum thing makes the Grammy's look like even more of a embarrassment than they did before. " Lose the biggest performance of your life or we won't nominate you!!!" Complete bulls**t. More industry people need to speak up on this. That's not what they said. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he pissed off some of the wrong people during the negotiation, but the ultimatum specifically concerned the idea of performing at the Grammys. There has long been talk that the Grammys were very controlling over where else their performers were allowed to perform. It initially seemed like a BS theory, since there have definitely been cases of Grammy performers playing other shows. But this story suggests there is truth to it. Years ago there was the issue of performing at the AMA's or the Grammys, if I recall correctly. But the Super Bowl issue doesn't make sense. 1) The Grammy's are held before the Super Bowl and 2) They're both on CBS this year.
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Post by nickd on Nov 24, 2020 21:20:47 GMT -5
Wow, the ultimatum thing makes the Grammy's look like even more of a embarrassment than they did before. " Lose the biggest performance of your life or we won't nominate you!!!" Complete bulls**t. More industry people need to speak up on this. That's not what they said. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he pissed off some of the wrong people during the negotiation, who then responded by snubbing him in the nominations, but the ultimatum specifically concerned the idea of performing at the Grammys. There has long been talk that the Grammys were very controlling over where else their performers were allowed to perform. It initially seemed like a BS theory, since there have definitely been cases of Grammy performers playing other shows. But this story suggests there is truth to it. Superbowl performers can't perform elsewhere in the two weeks prior to their performance right? So it might have been more of the Grammys saying "we want you to perform here or else" (which is only possible if he cancels/renegotiates his Superbowl contract) than the Grammys saying "we want you to performer here and nowhere else or else"?
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Post by Leo ✔ on Nov 24, 2020 21:20:52 GMT -5
after reading all the only thing I can say is "fuck the grammys" despite Debi Nova getting one nod for Latin Album of the Year, which I doubt she wins but getting a nod there is just big.
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Post by notgoodenglish on Nov 24, 2020 21:25:55 GMT -5
The Weeknd has every right to feel robbed after all the work he put in, and got snubbed. He can complain all he wants. He got zero nominations WHAT? something feel suspicious
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Post by kanimal on Nov 24, 2020 21:32:04 GMT -5
That's not what they said. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he pissed off some of the wrong people during the negotiation, who then responded by snubbing him in the nominations, but the ultimatum specifically concerned the idea of performing at the Grammys. There has long been talk that the Grammys were very controlling over where else their performers were allowed to perform. It initially seemed like a BS theory, since there have definitely been cases of Grammy performers playing other shows. But this story suggests there is truth to it. Superbowl performers can't perform elsewhere in the two weeks prior to their performance right? So it might have been more of the Grammys saying "we want you to perform here or else" (which is only possible if he cancels/renegotiates his Superbowl contract) than the Grammys saying "we want you to performer here and nowhere else or else"? Interestingly enough, Hits published an article last week that's more akin to your point (NFL wouldn't typically want him to do both, but agreed since the show is on the same network as the Grammys): hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=324070&title=SUPER-BOWL-SHUFFLEBut the takeaway from that article is "game on for both events." And even the TMZ article, which tells a different story of the conflict, still concedes that the Grammys and The Weeknd ultimately came to an agreement. So based on what's been reported, it feels like a reach to say THIS is the reason he didn't get the nominations. Unless there's more to the story that hasn't come out yet.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 24, 2020 21:32:39 GMT -5
The fact that The Weeknd didn't get any pop field nominations makes me think he didn't get enough nominations to enter the top 20 of the general field that the special committee selects from? I know that sounds absurd but if so few people vote and there's so many submissions to pick from (more submissions than voters) then maybe the votes are spread thinly enough that even the top voted submissions only have like 4-5 votes? That's my thinking, it's the only way I can justify him not showing up - anywhere. Yet, people here refuse to acknowledge this as a viable option. Only about 500 voted in the first round last year or the year before, whatever it was. That's not many when you consider how many categories there are. Also, Harvey Mason said something to the voters about actually voting. You think Yummy genuinely got more votes than Blinding Lights? lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 21:36:09 GMT -5
Scooter Braun probably paid them to put Bieber nods in this year I wouldn't put a practice as backhanded as that behind the Grammys committee, we all know there processes are questionable
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 24, 2020 21:37:18 GMT -5
I can’t wrap my head around the Super Bowl vs Grammys thing. I’ve long viewed the Grammys as the best awards music had and, despite their issues over the years, chose to see them as having at least some credibility. If this is true, to me it completely undermines the entire process that the organization as a whole can completely strip an artist of consideration/nominations on the basis of something like this. The televised award ceremony should already be separate and secondary to the actual nomination/award process. Point blank. Presumably, we all believe The Weeknd would have at least had some nominations. Even if he wasn’t in the general fields, he would have had 1 or 2 in the pop fields. That would look suspect but stranger things have happened. It’ll be interesting to see if this goes anywhere but I think the nom results this year show more than ever that something is up and it throws their entire legitimacy out.
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 21:43:48 GMT -5
That's my thinking, it's the only way I can justify him not showing up - anywhere. Yet, people here refuse to acknowledge this as a viable option. Only about 500 voted in the first round last year or the year before, whatever it was. That's not many when you consider how many categories there are. Also, Harvey Mason said something to the voters about actually voting. You think Yummy genuinely got more votes than Blinding Lights? lol I don't think many vote in Pop during the first round, so why would I think otherwise? Do you think NBC is still broadcasting the Super Bowl?
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Post by jodakyellow on Nov 24, 2020 21:48:30 GMT -5
Of note: After Christopher Cross' sweep of the 4 general awards in 1980, he was never even nominated for a Grammy again. Billie Eilish repeated the feat in 2020, but has outdone Cross by being nominated in 2021.
That's not true though... Cross was also nominated for many awards on the following year after his sweep, including Record and Song of the Year for his #01 song "Arthur's Theme"
hmm... so he did. I'll edit my post
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Post by iHype. on Nov 24, 2020 21:53:21 GMT -5
You think Yummy genuinely got more votes than Blinding Lights? lol I don't think many vote in Pop during the first round, so why would I think otherwise? Do you think NBC is still broadcasting the Super Bowl?We all make simple mistakes. Just as you also did. All academy voters/members can nominate in Pop. Per the Academy themselves:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 21:55:03 GMT -5
Superbowl performers can't perform elsewhere in the two weeks prior to their performance right? So it might have been more of the Grammys saying "we want you to perform here or else" (which is only possible if he cancels/renegotiates his Superbowl contract) than the Grammys saying "we want you to performer here and nowhere else or else"? Interestingly enough, Hits published an article last week that's more akin to your point (NFL wouldn't typically want him to do both, but agreed since the show is on the same network as the Grammys): hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=324070&title=SUPER-BOWL-SHUFFLEBut the takeaway from that article is "game on for both events." And even the TMZ article, which tells a different story of the conflict, still concedes that the Grammys and The Weeknd ultimately came to an agreement. So based on what's been reported, it feels like a reach to say THIS is the reason he didn't get the nominations. Unless there's more to the story that hasn't come out yet.Well, assuming that The Weeknd himself doesn't entirely know what happened (that is, he had no reason to think the back and forth concerned anything outside of performing), I think this explains his tweet demanding transparency. Because they ultimately reached an 'agreement' that he could perform in both places...but then nominations come out and he mysteriously has none, which naturally gives the show a 'valid' reason to not invite him to perform. The show runners got what their way via the voters and/or committee snubbing him. So I can see why he would find that fishy as hell and publicly demand answers. TMZ's article was worded carefully but I think they were trying to hint at the 'ultimatum' possibly affecting the nominations by pointing out that the talks all occurred before the nominations were announced - which in and of itself is eyebrow raising. Why would the Grammys be discussing performance conflicts with a potential, but ostensibly not guaranteed, nominee before the nominations are announced? Abel already had a great enough year to expect nominations anyway, and that would only reinforce his belief that he was going to be. Of course, I'm sure the people he spoke to made sure to keep it all 'wink wink, nudge nudge' and not outright say that was a sure thing to cover their asses.
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 21:56:18 GMT -5
I don't think many vote in Pop during the first round, so why would I think otherwise? Do you think NBC is still broadcasting the Super Bowl?We all make simple mistakes. Just as you also did. All academy voters/members can nominate in Pop. Per the Academy themselves: When did I say they all couldnt. I didnt. I said not many vote in the first round, which as per previous years feedback and info, is correct.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 24, 2020 22:02:09 GMT -5
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Post by iHype. on Nov 24, 2020 22:02:16 GMT -5
We all make simple mistakes. Just as you also did. All academy voters/members can nominate in Pop. Per the Academy themselves: When did I say they all couldnt. I didnt. I said not many vote in the first round, which as per previous years feedback and info, is correct. What does the amount of voters even have to do with him being snubbed though? Can't Feel My Face was nominated in the category, despite being a smaller hit and when he was a newer artist. Also whether it's 10 or 10,000 voters absolutely nobody is thinking of "Yummy" before "Blinding Lights" when recapping the Pop songs of the year. Especially not anyone specifically involved in the music industry. Like...
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Post by shayonce on Nov 24, 2020 22:07:49 GMT -5
weeknd even lost pop nominations which is shocking considering pop is 100% vote. also post malone got nothing outside generals.
I doubt grammy care about super bowl that much. I call it BS story fed by weeknd team. lol
U2(2002), Prince(2007),Bruce Springsteen(2009), Beyonce(2013), Katy Perry(2015), Bruno Mars(2014), Maroon 5 (2019) and more got nominations for same year from genres or even generals.
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Post by Joe1240 on Nov 24, 2020 22:11:59 GMT -5
I’m happy Taylor got 6 nominations including AOTY for Folklore but the rest of the nominations are a mess. Coldplay AOTY nomination for a album that everyone forgot about,The Weeknd with the biggest year in music and not one nomination and so much more. While it will be great to see Taylor win an 3rd AOTY award with “Folklore” it just getting overshadowed by the mess that are the Grammy Nominations. Anyways, these award shows are already become meaningless in the Spotify era.
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 22:13:19 GMT -5
When did I say they all couldnt. I didnt. I said not many vote in the first round, which as per previous years feedback and info, is correct. What does the amount of voters even have to do with him being snubbed though? Can't Feel My Face was nominated in the category, despite being a smaller hit and when he was a newer artist. Also whether it's 10 or 10,000 voters absolutely nobody is thinking of "Yummy" before "Blinding Lights" when recapping the Pop songs of the year. Especially not anyone specifically involved in the music industry. Like... 1. Your first question: Because if only 100 people voted in round 1 in the pop categories, and more voted for yummy for example, instead of blinding lights (for whatever reason that is beyond me) that would create a snub. It's not rocket science. 2. Ok. I'm not sure how that is relevant five years later. 3. Do you know the first round voters? I'm not a fan of Bieber, but the kid works with enough voters to secure noms. Also, who's to say Yummy is 6th in Pop Solo, No one here who posts would know that.
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Post by when the pawn... on Nov 24, 2020 22:14:00 GMT -5
I feel like I remember this Super Bowl ultimatum from past years. I think Gaga got around it by performing in collaboration with Metallica.
On top of being shady af, it's embarrassing that the recording academy thought performing on The Grammys would be a bigger deal than headlining the Super Bowl halftime show. TRA and NFL are both racist af but hmm, a 3-minute slot in front of 10 (?) million people or a 15-minute medley for 100 million? What to do, what to do.
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 22:16:10 GMT -5
I feel like I remember this Super Bowl ultimatum from past years. I think Gaga got around it by performing in collaboration with Metallica. On top of being shady af, it's embarrassing that the recording academy thought performing on The Grammys would be a bigger deal than headlining the Super Bowl halftime show. TRA and NFL are both racist af but hmm, a 3-minute slot in front of 10 (?) million people or a 15-minute medley for 100 million? What to do, what to do. The Super Bowl was before the Grammys in 2017.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 24, 2020 22:22:54 GMT -5
What does the amount of voters even have to do with him being snubbed though? Can't Feel My Face was nominated in the category, despite being a smaller hit and when he was a newer artist. Also whether it's 10 or 10,000 voters absolutely nobody is thinking of "Yummy" before "Blinding Lights" when recapping the Pop songs of the year. Especially not anyone specifically involved in the music industry. Like... 1. Your first question: Because if only 100 people voted in round 1 in the pop categories, and more voted for yummy for example, instead of blinding lights (for whatever reason that is beyond me) that would create a snub. It's not rocket science. 2. Ok. I'm not sure how that is relevant five years later. 3. Do you know the first round voters? I'm not a fan of Bieber, but the kid works with enough voters to secure noms. Also, who's to say Yummy is 6th in Pop Solo, No one here who posts would know that. A song can get snubbed regardless of the count of voters. That has nothing to do with a snub is my point. 100 million people could vote and a song could get still snubbed. The issue as I already said isn't the amount of voters, but an obvious case of something making zero sense. This is like if Shape of You missed being nominated, but Katy Perry's Bon Appetit got nominated in 2017. It just doesn't really make sense at all. Whether there was 500 voters or 10,000 voters it's hard to believe two songs from mainstream stars that had polar opposite reception and visibility got the response they did in comparison to each other. The Weeknd is at the peak of his likability, visibility, and success as a popstar. Blinding Lights was a once in a lifetime song in terms of the year of it had. Justin Bieber is at his career low in likability, visibility, and success as a popstar. Yummy was dead on arrival, completely panned, overshadowed by the follow-up singles he released, and an absolute complete after thought. There's not really even an argument to be made.
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Post by wjr15 on Nov 24, 2020 22:31:08 GMT -5
My thoughts on the Grammy nominations:
The Weeknd getting completely shut out was extremely shocking. He had one of the biggest albums of the year and THE biggest song of the year and both were critically acclaimed. It makes absolutely no sense and Abel has every right to be pissed off. If it really came down to The Weeknd performing at the SB and the Grammys not liking that, then the Grammys are obsolete. The Grammys are supposed to be about the best in music of that respective year and if behind the scenes politics are determining nominations, they it’s time for the Grammys to go...
Harry getting no nominations in the general field is surprising, seeing how he had two big hits and critical acclaim from both his album and singles. But at least he got some pop nominations.
I’m really happy for Dua’s nominations. I hope she can win at least one award, even though the Grammys are slowing making their awards less relevant each year.
The Yummy nomination was a choice... But we all know Scooter work$ hard. At least we know Queen Ari will be getting noms next year <3
I don’t get why Beyoncé has the most nominations in 2020 for doing the least. I swear they will nominate anything with her name on it. If only they would’ve given her self titled album the AOTY over Beck, this probably wouldn’t keep happening.
I’m glad Megan Thee Stallion got some love. I think her best chance at winning is BNA.
ROTY: Honestly, I think Don’t Start Now will win this one. I think Savage would’ve had a better chance if Black Parade wasn’t nominated too. Circles and Rockstar will probably split votes too. However, Blinding Lights should’ve easily been nominated and could’ve easily won this.
AOTY: This category was absolutely disastrous this year. It’s like they wanted to nominate a bunch of weak albums just so they could give Taylor her third AOTY win. The only other album that even has a close shot is Future Nostalgia. Like why tf are Coldplay, Black Pumas, and Jacob Collier nominated??? Also, where is the token country album nomination? The Weeknd and Harry Styles both should’ve been nominated in this category. I honestly hope Dua pulls an upset in this category because anyone else winning will be an eyeroll from me.
SOTY: This was another bad one. Julia Michaels??? Really?? This is another one where I think Taylor will easily win because cardigan is one of the stronger ones on here. I see a small opportunity for Everything I Wanted or mediocre Circles winning. As much as I love Don’t Start Now, it’s chances are much better in ROTY. The Bones should’ve been nominated here and I don’t understand why because, again, there is no country here. Honestly, just give Grammy to H.E.R.
BNA: This one was better than the other three general fields. The only one had made no sense is Noah Cyrus. I hope Megan Thee Stallion wins category and I think she has a good shot but I’d be ok with most of the other nominees too.
As for the pop categories (since I’m more of a pop poster): Pop Solo: I hope Harry, Doja, or Dua win this one. Yummy, again, was a choice...
Pop Duo/Group: I think Rain On Me has a good chance of winning if the voters don’t all flock to that boring Taylor song. It’s nice to see k-pop represented with BTS but I don’t see them winning. Also, Intentions getting nominated makes much more sense.
Pop Album: Knowing how the recording academy votes, this category could easily go any way but I think Dua, Taylor, and Harry have the best chances of winning. Honestly, I wish Taylor would’ve sent folklore to the Folk category instead since it isn’t really Pop.
Overall, these nominations are pretty bad and I think I’m going to keep up my streak of not watching award shows since I’ve missed the VMAs, BBMAs, and AMAs. I can only imagine how bad the performances are going to be this year and they were pretty bad last year. On a brighter note, I can’t wait to see The Weeknd perform at the Super Bowl halftime show!
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 24, 2020 22:37:40 GMT -5
1. Your first question: Because if only 100 people voted in round 1 in the pop categories, and more voted for yummy for example, instead of blinding lights (for whatever reason that is beyond me) that would create a snub. It's not rocket science. 2. Ok. I'm not sure how that is relevant five years later. 3. Do you know the first round voters? I'm not a fan of Bieber, but the kid works with enough voters to secure noms. Also, who's to say Yummy is 6th in Pop Solo, No one here who posts would know that. A song can get snubbed regardless of the count of voters. That has nothing to do with a snub is my point. 100 million people could vote and a song could get still snubbed. The issue as I already said isn't the amount of voters, but an obvious case of something making zero sense. This is like if Shape of You missed being nominated, but Katy Perry's Bon Appetit got nominated in 2017. It just doesn't really make sense at all. Whether there was 500 voters or 10,000 voters it's hard to believe two songs from mainstream stars that had polar opposite reception and visibility got the response they did in comparison to each other. The Weeknd is at the peak of his likability, visibility, and success as a popstar. Blinding Lights was a once in a lifetime song in terms of the year of it had. Justin Bieber is at his career low in likability, visibility, and success as a popstar. Yummy was dead on arrival, completely panned, overshadowed by the follow-up singles he released, and an absolute complete after thought. There's not really even an argument to be made. Well I'm talking about Pop, which has no committee. So you can keep disagreeing, but Blinding Lights somehow did not receive enough votes to finish tied for 5th. Bieber clearly did. I'm giving you rational reasons as to potentially why. Whether it's hard to believe for you or me is irrelevant. Maybe the Weeknd's and maybe more applicably, Blinding Lights success and constant airplay grew tired for enough first round voters. Yummy may be terrible, but this is likely another example of rewarding politics more so than art. This hopefully can and will be a reminder to artists that the Grammys are not the be all and end all. Look at the legends and icons who have never won an award or barely have any wins, and they get by just as well.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Nov 24, 2020 22:40:00 GMT -5
I remember when Bruno was doing the Super Bowl back in 2014, some people complained about him not performing at the Grammys despite being nominated for multiple awards. I also recall that him doing the Super Bowl was the reason given for his absence as a performer... he ended up attending just to pick up his award (Best Pop Vocal Album), so the Super Bowl clearly didn’t affect him beyond not being able to perform.
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Post by shayonce on Nov 24, 2020 22:43:54 GMT -5
I remember when Bruno was doing the Super Bowl back in 2014, some people complained about him not performing at the Grammys despite being nominated for multiple awards. I also recall that him doing the Super Bowl was the reason given for his absence as a performer... he ended up attending just to pick up his award (Best Pop Vocal Album), so the Super Bowl clearly didn’t affect him beyond not being able to perform. yep. whole grammy vs ama vs super bowl thing is about performance, not the nomiinaiton/win. Bruno was nominated SOTY/ROTY/Best Pop Solo Performance/Best Pop Vocal Album in that year and also one of presenter.(for performance)
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Post by wjr15 on Nov 24, 2020 22:47:08 GMT -5
This hopefully can and will be a reminder to artists that the Grammys are not the be all and end all. Look at the legends and icons who have never won an award or barely have any wins, and they get by just as well. Amen to this
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