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Post by Normi on Nov 25, 2020 7:01:08 GMT -5
Some thoughts: No Abel really is a choice, I mean there has to be a reason behind that!
Pop Solo is a mess, a shitty R&B song (sorry but who still defends Yummy?), another R&B/Rap Song, an alternative song, a dance song and a folk-leaning song with Watermelon Sugar being the only remaining full on pop song (hope it wins or Say So, DSN for ROTY!)
Pop Duo/Group isn't better oh dear, give it to Gaga/Ari! Taylor's song was probably too little of an event to actually win
Pop Vocal Album noms make the most sense (minus Justin instead of Abel) and I hope Harry can win here (or Dua if she's snubbed from AOTY)
ROTY for DSN or Circles
I really hope Taylor doesn't score big again this year, it's getting repetitive, folklore was great but I really want Dua to win! Post would be great too but I doubt he's too popular with the Recording Academy
Oop at JP Saxe & Julia Michaels for Song Of The Year, Circles should win that (or Don't Start Now)
Also no nominations for I Hope?
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Post by Dammn Baby on Nov 25, 2020 7:22:41 GMT -5
Done with them. Never watching the show again. Last shred of credibility gone. Poof. Hope it was worth it, NARAS! That they, a group of rich people, lost your viewership? I know you are addressing them directly, but...totally! The "Hope it was worth it" comment related to their (lost) credibility, in general terms, and not to my viewership.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 8:01:40 GMT -5
committee do secret voting after discussion. it's not just discussion on table and done. it's possible BL was in top20 shortlist but after secret voting it didn't make the top 8 or whatever method they're using. it's snub indeed but saying it's the corruption, rigged is.. another thing. To have a discussion and say none of his titles (album and single) belonged on the final list of any category is absurd when we see some of the titles that did make it. I don’t even think his being excluded is necessarily that far outside of a realm of possibility but what was there in his place is what makes me wonder.
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Post by Choco on Nov 25, 2020 8:36:54 GMT -5
In what world is "Yummy" a better pop song than "Blinding Lights"? I would have kind of understood snubbing the album, but the song was so huge and so well regarded...
I just found out yesterday that Coldplay dropped an album this year.
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Post by groovy on Nov 25, 2020 8:41:55 GMT -5
hy is Beyonce nominated for songs she released 2 summers ago? Shouldn't they be eligible for last year's awards? The video for "Brown Skin Girl" was released this year as a part of her Black is King movie, it was also uploaded as a standalone video on her YouTube channel - therefore the video was eligible while the song was not. The other song "Black Parade" came out this year as a charity single in coincidence with Juneteenth. That's the only song she released in 2020 alongside "Savage Remix".
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Nov 25, 2020 8:55:50 GMT -5
Some thoughts: No Abel really is a choice, I mean there has to be a reason behind that! Pop Solo is a mess, a s**tty R&B song (sorry but who still defends Yummy?), another R&B/Rap Song, an alternative song, a dance song and a folk-leaning song with Watermelon Sugar being the only remaining full on pop song (hope it wins or Say So, DSN for ROTY!) Pop Duo/Group isn't better oh dear, give it to Gaga/Ari! Taylor's song was probably too little of an event to actually win Pop Vocal Album noms make the most sense (minus Justin instead of Abel) and I hope Harry can win here (or Dua if she's snubbed from AOTY) ROTY for DSN or Circles I really hope Taylor doesn't score big again this year, it's getting repetitive, folklore was great but I really want Dua to win! Post would be great too but I doubt he's too popular with the Recording Academy Oop at JP Saxe & Julia Michaels for Song Of The Year, Circles should win that (or Don't Start Now) Also no nominations for I Hope? When will your Viking pop flop girls even dream of a Grammy?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 9:00:04 GMT -5
And the winner of Grammys 2021 is ... The Weeknd, even if he was not nominated in any category. But people are voting with their minds and some even with mail ballots and they are imagining what importance Grammy should have, even if the award had it's biggest importance from the era today's Grannies come from. So even if Corona is delaying everything else, we have the biggest Grammy winner already few months earlier and it is The Weeknd and nobody can take away his Grammy - because it has been voted by the people!
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Post by wavey. on Nov 25, 2020 9:19:27 GMT -5
He doesn't need the Grammys. His single and album trajectory shows that. Plus, Super Bowl Gig? He's good. Its f**ked up that they do things like that in tbh industry to only get outed, and then sabotage someone else the following year. Something needs to change with the Grammy committee.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 25, 2020 9:27:58 GMT -5
The Pop noms weird me out the most, like they all seem pretty good and on the money aside from Bieber. Like look at Solo Pop Vocal Peformance: Watermelon Sugar, everything i wanted, Don't Start Now, Say So, cardigan. All well received critically and also huge hits, but then there's Yummy. Like what? It's almost like The Weeknd was there then they omitted him and rushed to find another song to fill in for Blinding Lights (I mean, Circles is right there but whatever).
It's the same way with Pop Album, all pretty good and expected choices aside from Changes, again, it seems like they omitted The Weeknd and rushed to find a nomination to fill the role. This Bieber album and Yummy commercially and critically underperformed, the fact that the Grammys selected them instead of The Weeknd is suspicious as shit and I'm happy Abel called them out.
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Post by anthony11554 on Nov 25, 2020 9:33:26 GMT -5
Lol that dude needs to step down he doesn't know what he's doing
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Post by imbondz on Nov 25, 2020 10:08:42 GMT -5
I think the Weeknds tweet is lame. “You owe me”. Ugh. Grammy’s don’t owe anyone anything. It’s arrogant and comes across as a bad loser. Try n be gracious. Beyoncé got snubbed a bunch in the beginning too.
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Post by imbondz on Nov 25, 2020 10:10:15 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about artists actually complaining about not being nominated for/winning awards though. Let the media and stans fight for you. It comes across as entitled and narcissistic. 100% agree.
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Post by Choco on Nov 25, 2020 10:12:46 GMT -5
I mean at least the Weeknd has some credible complaints... meanwhile Justin Bieber is crying because he got too many nods in the field he didn't want to be recognized at.
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Post by andrebra on Nov 25, 2020 10:18:10 GMT -5
It just seems disrespectful to the artists that were nominated. Regardless of whether we think they deserved it, they still saw their work recognized (mostly referring to the noms in the big 4, Bieber still seems fishy) and I feel bad that the media and a lot of people in this thread are insinuating that their work isn’t deserving enough. I absolutely think he should’ve gotten nominated and it was a HUGE snub, but it’s not something that needs to be fought about when there are ppl celebrating this moment. Idk it’s not sitting with me.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 25, 2020 10:23:00 GMT -5
I don't get the impression The Weeknd is acting entitled or narcissistic.
It's one thing if he was complaining about not being nominated enough, or if he were talking about a non-successful project. But here we have one of the biggest albums of the year, with a behemoth of a single, and yet he receives zero nominations? I don't think a similar scenario has ever happened before.
Not to mention everyone was predicting him to have guaranteed nominations, especially for "Blinding Lights". But instead it was snubbed everywhere and its slot taken by one of the most hated songs of the year ("Yummy"). It's very sketchy, and I think he has the right to ask for transparency on the Academy's part.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 10:25:34 GMT -5
It just seems disrespectful to the artists that were nominated. Regardless of whether we think they deserved it, they still saw their work recognized (mostly referring to the noms in the big 4, Bieber still seems fishy) and I feel bad that the media and a lot of people in this thread are insinuating that their work isn’t deserving enough. I absolutely think he should’ve gotten nominated and it was a HUGE snub, but it’s not something that needs to be fought about when there are ppl celebrating this moment. Idk it’s not sitting with me. I’d say if there is something worthy with his tweet (and the general conversation as a whole), it undermines the Grammy process which is an even bigger insult to the artists being recognized because if this is a situation that was noticed and called out, what about all the other times they weren’t caught? No one should have to wonder whether the work they were recognized for was legitimate or if they were a space-filler or recognized because of musical politics (especially new artists).
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 25, 2020 10:27:00 GMT -5
The Pop noms weird me out the most, like they all seem pretty good and on the money aside from Bieber. Like look at Solo Pop Vocal Peformance: Watermelon Sugar, everything i wanted, Don't Start Now, Say So, cardigan. All well received critically and also huge hits, but then there's Yummy. Like what? It's almost like The Weeknd was there then they omitted him and rushed to find another song to fill in for Blinding Lights (I mean, Circles is right there but whatever). It's the same way with Pop Album, all pretty good and expected choices aside from Changes, again, it seems like they omitted The Weeknd and rushed to find a nomination to fill the role. This Bieber album and Yummy commercially and critically underperformed, the fact that the Grammys selected them instead of The Weeknd is suspicious as s**t and I'm happy Abel called them out. And it's so weird that even if that was the case, there were so many better choices: "Manic" by Halsey, "SAWAYAMA" by Rina Sawayama for a left-field nomination, "Rare" by Selena Gomez (or "Lose You To Love Me" for best solo pop, which would be much more deserving), "Heartbreak Weather" by Niall Horan. The possibilities were endless. I'm also surprised Post Malone didn't get anything on Pop, especially when "Better Now" was nominated two years ago.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 10:28:21 GMT -5
I don't get the impression The Weeknd is acting entitled or narcissistic. It's one thing if he was complaining about not being nominated enough, or if he were talking about a non-successful project. But here we have one of the biggest albums of the year, with a behemoth of a single, and yet he receives zero nominations? I don't think a similar scenario has ever happened before. Right? I was saying to a friend of mine, recognition is a part of any job. It’s not the reason you do the job but when you believe you’ve been passed over for reasons that are political or personal, it’s hard not to take offence to that and to call them out on it. If you were skipped over from being Employee of the Month when everyone you work with recognized your hard word, it’s hard to not have a sour taste about it.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 25, 2020 10:51:04 GMT -5
Ohhh D Smoke is the guy who won that Rap Comp show on Netflix. Independent release. It seems that they nominated alot of Indie people just as much as Mainstream people.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 25, 2020 10:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 11:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 25, 2020 11:47:36 GMT -5
I don't get the impression The Weeknd is acting entitled or narcissistic. It's one thing if he was complaining about not being nominated enough, or if he were talking about a non-successful project. But here we have one of the biggest albums of the year, with a behemoth of a single, and yet he receives zero nominations? I don't think a similar scenario has ever happened before. Not to mention everyone was predicting him to have guaranteed nominations, especially for "Blinding Lights". But instead it was snubbed everywhere and its slot taken by one of the most hated songs of the year ("Yummy"). It's very sketchy, and I think he has the right to ask for transparency on the Academy's part. Yeah this situation is way different from a regular snub, everyone expected Ed Sheeran to run the big catergories in 2018 but he only got the pop nominations after a huge year. But he still got some nominations, the fact that they didn't even delegate The Weeknd to the Pop or R&B categories mean something is up. Like how does he get no nominations? The Academy's explanations so far have been pretty bad, they keep dancing around the subject, we need some real transparency. Some of the things Harvey has said so far seems to imply The Weeknd wasn't even in the running, which is crazy to me. All the betting markets, HDD, etc had The Weeknd on lock to win big, everyone and their mother knows Blinding Lights (biggest hit of the year, 40 weeks in the Top 10), After Hours was a huge record with critical success. The fact that Abel got a fat 0 nominations is very suspicious.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 25, 2020 12:21:06 GMT -5
kcdawg13 Couldn't have put it better myself!
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 25, 2020 12:28:43 GMT -5
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIBMFD4B1-c Breaking up the discussion of dissecting the snubs to throw some seriously heartwarming content. Mickey Guyton has been working her tail off for a decade in country music and is now the first Black woman to ever be nominated in her category, for a song about being Black in America. Way too damn thrilled about this.
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Post by vithor on Nov 25, 2020 12:39:09 GMT -5
His tweet only tells me one thing. His album was made thinking a lot more of chart success and awards rather than artistic passion, wanting to connect with the fans or having something that needs to be said.
At the end of the day, unless the Academy is funded by public money or artists pay themselves to possibly have nominations and votes (I honestly have absolutely no idea how that works), they don't owe anybody any explanations, whether we agree or not with the nominations.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Nov 25, 2020 12:39:32 GMT -5
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIBMFD4B1-c Breaking up the discussion of dissecting the snubs to throw some seriously heartwarming content. Mickey Guyton has been working her tail off for a decade in country music and is now the first Black woman to ever be nominated in her category, for a song about being Black in America. Way too damn thrilled about this.
Watching this just made my day!
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Post by wavey. on Nov 25, 2020 12:48:30 GMT -5
Yeah Mickey doing big things. I'm so happy shes finally getting recognized. Big moment for Black Women in country.
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Post by born on Nov 25, 2020 12:58:20 GMT -5
The Abel snub is so suspicious and I can't keep wondering why they would make it that obvious. As you all said, he could have gotten a couple of field nominations and while there would still be talk about the Grammys being shit, we wouldn't have this. It would be a cool "we get it you had a great year, and we liked your output but not that much" message and it would kinda make sense. That's all.
Oh and also, Justin Bieber is the worst pop star right now. It's not up for debate.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 25, 2020 13:05:14 GMT -5
Exactly - like Ed Sheeran in 2018, where he was shut out of the Big Three despite having a massive and commercially successful era, but was nominated for Best Pop Album and Best Pop Solo Performance.
Again, do correct me if I'm wrong, but has there been any case where an artist dominated so strongly like The Weeknd did, but didn't get a single nomination? The only one that comes to mind is Ke$ha during the "Tik Tok" era, but her music back then wasn't nearly as Academy-friendly as "After Hours", and especially "Blinding Lights".
It was an obvious and deliberate boycott, no question about it.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Nov 25, 2020 13:13:50 GMT -5
Exactly - like Ed Sheeran in 2018, where he was shut out of the Big Three despite having a massive and commercially successful era, but was nominated for Best Pop Album and Best Pop Solo Performance. Again, do correct me if I'm wrong, but has there been any case where an artist dominated so strongly like The Weeknd did, but didn't get a single nomination? The only one that comes to mind is Ke$ha during the "Tik Tok" era, but her music back then wasn't nearly as Academy-friendly as "After Hours", and especially "Blinding Lights". It was an obvious and deliberate boycott, no question about it. Maybe the Spice Girls? Very different artists, but in terms of an artist dominating a year and getting snubbed by the Grammys, they are the first ones that come to my mind! They had the best selling album of the year (Billboard) and 3 Top 5 hits (including a massive #01)... They also won big awards at all the major award shows that year (AMAs, EMAs, VMAs, Brit Awards, Billboard Awards, ...) but were completely ignored by the Grammys
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