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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 26, 2020 7:12:50 GMT -5
Sugar Rush I really like your predictions, and those for Song of The Year in particular would be my perfect scenario. I just hope we won't be seeing any serious snubs this year. 🤞 Photos taken moments before disaster... I still remember seeing Bieber's submissions and chuckling to myself how he thinks he might have a shot getting nominated for "Yummy". Who would have known (🛴)?
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Post by Choco on Nov 26, 2020 7:55:29 GMT -5
^To be fair I remember seeing the BTS submissions and thinking there's no chance they get in... and to think the fans are mad that it "only" got 1 nod.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Nov 26, 2020 8:11:19 GMT -5
Sugar Rush I really like your predictions, and those for Song of The Year in particular would be my perfect scenario. I just hope we won't be seeing any serious snubs this year. 🤞 Photos taken moments before disaster... I still remember seeing Bieber's submissions and chuckling to myself how he thinks he might have a shot getting nominated for "Yummy". Who would have known (🛴)? This is too funny. Please stamp this moment in history. I am still trying to rationalize how The Weeknd got snubbed so hard. My only thought, asides corruption, is that he lacked the appeal in pop categories & RnB committees didn’t like that he submitted elsewhere? The Weeknd doesn’t have a history of being a Grammys darling outside his debut era... but again, it feels so wrong that he got 0.
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Post by andrebra on Nov 26, 2020 10:12:18 GMT -5
^^ just an fyi, he said in his next post that he is not a grammy voter
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Post by collegedropout on Nov 26, 2020 10:41:42 GMT -5
The Pop noms weird me out the most, like they all seem pretty good and on the money aside from Bieber. Like look at Solo Pop Vocal Peformance: Watermelon Sugar, everything i wanted, Don't Start Now, Say So, cardigan. All well received critically and also huge hits, but then there's Yummy. Like what? It's almost like The Weeknd was there then they omitted him and rushed to find another song to fill in for Blinding Lights (I mean, Circles is right there but whatever). It's the same way with Pop Album, all pretty good and expected choices aside from Changes, again, it seems like they omitted The Weeknd and rushed to find a nomination to fill the role. This Bieber album and Yummy commercially and critically underperformed, the fact that the Grammys selected them instead of The Weeknd is suspicious as s**t and I'm happy Abel called them out. Yeah the voting lists are alphabetical order. So they picked the 4 that everyone else did, then had one more vote left, made it to the bottom of the list, saw the Weekend, didn't like it, then went back to the top of the list where Bieber is the first major name listed.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Nov 26, 2020 11:38:16 GMT -5
It's my opinion and it's not changing, but thanks! I will only watch for Trevor Noah's fine ass.They did The Weeknd wrong and I can't even celebrate any of the artists/songs that were nominated because the snub is that big. He's honestly another reason not to watch the show. Seems fitting he's the host of this snooze fest. I will only watch for Trevor Noah's fine ass. They did The Weeknd wrong and I can't even celebrate any of the artists/songs that were nominated because the snub is that big. Seriously? That seems a bit dramatic but to each their own. You can obviously do and feel as you wish.
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Post by jodakyellow on Nov 26, 2020 12:57:52 GMT -5
- I am shocked that The Chicks did not score a single nomination - especially for Best Country Album when it arguably was the most acclaimed country album that came out in 2020.
Shocked. They won that award with each of their last four albums, so I expected them to at least get nominated
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Post by irice22 on Nov 26, 2020 13:26:10 GMT -5
In terms of controversial award happenings, not nominating anything to After Hours is a 'Crash wins Best Picture' level fiasco It's honestly worse. This would be like Once Upon Time in Hollywood missing all nominations last year.
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Post by marcyiam on Nov 26, 2020 17:22:23 GMT -5
It's my opinion and it's not changing, but thanks! He's honestly another reason not to watch the show. Seems fitting he's the host of this snooze fest. Seriously? That seems a bit dramatic but to each their own. You can obviously do and feel as you wish. Didn't say you had to. In fact I said the opposite. And you're welcome.
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Post by Future Captain on Nov 27, 2020 2:27:40 GMT -5
I think Dua winning AOTY this year after all the BNA curse talk last year would be amazing
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 27, 2020 16:02:13 GMT -5
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Post by GP on Nov 27, 2020 19:16:33 GMT -5
well Studio 2054 is a GREAT showing from Miss Lipa
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 27, 2020 23:29:55 GMT -5
I think Dia Lupa might win instead of folklore
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 28, 2020 6:26:03 GMT -5
Here are my current observations on the AOTY contenders and their chances at taking the award, keeping in mind I have yet to listen to most of those, so my opinions aim to be as straightforward and unbiased as possible.
- "folklore": Critically acclaimed and commercially successful, made by an Academy darling who's won twice already. It also has a great narrative in its favour by being a quarantine project. However, I imagine they might be hesitant to give it to Taylor a third time, not to mention the controversy of having a white woman being awarded thrice since the last time a black artist won AOTY (2008). Of course, if Abel's snub is any indication, we can assume they just don't care, but still...I don't think they would go for the predictable winner here.
- "Hollywood's Bleeding": Very commercially successful and spawned huge smash hits, but it got relatively middling reviews. In my opinion, based on other years' nominees, the odds of victory are unlikely here, since nothing was nominated outside the general field - even Coldplay got a nomination for Best Recording Package. It's not the safest choice like "24K Magic" (we'll get to that one later), and it doesn't have a particularly strong external narrative surrounding it (because trust me, the Grammys seem to care about that a lot).
- "Future Nostalgia": Ladies and gentlemen, our safest choice. Critically beloved and very successful, it's a polished throwback record featuring modern reinterpretations of several classic subgenres from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s - mixing the familiar with the brand new. Unlike Taylor and Post, I don't think Dua would get as much backlash winning (this year's ceremony will be clouded in controversy regardless), and she has a very strong narrative in her favour. Firstly, not only has she won Grammys previously, but she was the recipient of Best New Artist in 2019, and I believe the Academy would like to prove wrong the infamous Best New Artist curse that has plagued recent winners. Also, "Future Nostalgia" showcased an excellent career reinvention, and her effort to keep the era going despite the restrictions of quarantine are likely to be considered as well (we could obviously make the same argument for The Weeknd, but well...😡)
- "Women In Music Pt. III": Now I'm entering some unfamiliar territory. From what I've read among music enthusiasts, this is a very beloved album which got raving reviews from many publications, and many were hoping it would get nominated. While it wasn't nominated as best album for its genre category, it still had a song notching a Best Rock Performance nomination, which does put it in a better position than "Hollywood's Bleeding", perhaps. Given how the Grammys are very much reactionary, I could see it winning, but maybe, like "Dirty Computer" in 2019, it might be a bit too political for the Academy to handle, especially when the album seems to cover misogyny within music industry, which might hit a bit too close to home for them (note how some rumours think this tweet might have pissed Grammy executives and could have made them snub The Weeknd
Any feedback + thoughts is much welcome. I do plan to share my opinions on the other four later today.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 28, 2020 7:06:24 GMT -5
Y'know I would say the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful album would be a shoe-in but after the whole 24K Magic debacle, I have no idea what the Academy chooses anymore. At this point, choosing based on the cover art makes as much sense as any other logical explanation
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Post by GP on Nov 28, 2020 9:22:26 GMT -5
Here are my current observations on the AOTY contenders and their chances at taking the award, keeping in mind I have yet to listen to most of those, so my opinions aim to be as straightforward and unbiased as possible. - "folklore": Critically acclaimed and commercially successful, made by an Academy darling who's won twice already. It also has a great narrative in its favour by being a quarantine project. However, I imagine they might be hesitant to give it to Taylor a third time, not to mention the controversy of having a white woman being awarded thrice since the last time a black artist won AOTY (2008). Of course, if Abel's snub is any indication, we can assume they just don't care, but still...I don't think they would go for the predictable winner here. - "Hollywood's Bleeding": Very commercially successful and spawned huge smash hits, but it got relatively middling reviews. In my opinion, based on other years' nominees, the odds of victory are unlikely here, since nothing was nominated outside the general field - even Coldplay got a nomination for Best Recording Package. It's not the safest choice like "24K Magic" (we'll get to that one later), and it doesn't have a particularly strong external narrative surrounding it (because trust me, the Grammys seem to care about that a lot). - "Future Nostalgia": Ladies and gentlemen, our safest choice. Critically beloved and very successful, it's a polished throwback record featuring modern reinterpretations of several classic subgenres from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s - mixing the familiar with the brand new. Unlike Taylor and Post, I don't think Dua would get as much backlash winning (this year's ceremony will be clouded in controversy regardless), and she has a very strong narrative in her favour. Firstly, not only has she won Grammys previously, but she was the recipient of Best New Artist in 2019, and I believe the Academy would like to prove wrong the infamous Best New Artist curse that has plagued recent winners. Also, "Future Nostalgia" showcased an excellent career reinvention, and her effort to keep the era going despite the restrictions of quarantine are likely to be considered as well (we could obviously make the same argument for The Weeknd, but well...😡) While I would say these three seem to be frontrunners, it will probably come down to Dua v Taylor. Dua has the hits this year, with a huge record in DSN. while folklore is arguable the best project from a veteran artist reaching her creative peak in her 9th album. Two very different artists, on very different points in their careers. with support from different branches. It will be interesting!
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Post by shayonce on Nov 28, 2020 9:33:28 GMT -5
Bruno was easy and obvious pick in 2017 If you understand Grammy's pattern. (genre split, genre solidarity, safe/universal music for older people)
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Post by Choco on Nov 28, 2020 10:10:23 GMT -5
I think Dua winning AOTY this year after all the BNA curse talk last year would be amazing Not gonna lie, I love Taylor but I'm rooting for Ms. Dua for that one. Taylor already has two and tbh, folklore is one of my least favorite projects of her discography (don't hate me).
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Post by wjr15 on Nov 28, 2020 11:44:32 GMT -5
I think Dua winning AOTY this year after all the BNA curse talk last year would be amazing Not gonna lie, I love Taylor but I'm rooting for Ms. Dua for that one. Taylor already has two and tbh, folklore is one of my least favorite projects of her discography (don't hate me).I gotta agree with this. I like Taylor, especially her pop stuff, but folklore is at the bottom of her discography for me. I appreciate the creative direction but it’s not my cup of tea, at all. Plus, Taylor winning AOTY a third time would give people even more ammo against the Grammys. The nominees in this category are pretty weak this year, so I’d rather the safest option, Dua Lipa, take home the Grammy. Honestly, the AOTY frontrunners should’ve been After Hours vs Future Nostalgia vs Fine Line. All critically acclaimed albums combined with commercial success.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 28, 2020 13:02:27 GMT -5
I would like to see Post Malone winning AOTY just for the lols
I think the AOTY category is weak compared to the genres: on pop there are also FL and Chromatica, and on the rock/alternative side FTBC, Punisher, The New Abnormal and Kiwanuka.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 28, 2020 13:26:46 GMT -5
Enigma. No, please no. He would get so much backlash, and if Macklemore, Alessia Cara, and hell, even Bruno Mars' cases have shown, it would likely taint the general public's perception of him to a nearly irreversible point. This might be a bit of a hot take here, but even someone who has a strong legion of stans like Taylor Swift was affected in 2016. I don't think the Kimye drama + snakegate would have been as damaging to her had she never won AOTY over "To Pimp A Butterfly". Not only for the infamous speech never happening, but also because the Kanye vs. Taylor feud is seen as racially charged for some, especially given the media's perception of it, and I believe many were more eager to turn against her because of that. Do correct me if I'm wrong though, but I do thing it was a contributing factor to the backlash she got. Anyway, as someone who considers herself to be a fan of Post's music and love the direction he went with "Hollywood's Bleeding", he's the one nominee I'm rooting against. This whole ceremony is going to be a mess anyway because of the unjust snubbing of The Weeknd, but having him winning would only make it even worse. I wouldn't mind "Circles" winning Record Of The Year, though. And that wouldn't be for the lols, but totally deserved (in a world sans "Blinding Lights", of course).
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Post by Choco on Nov 28, 2020 13:49:32 GMT -5
I'd be OK with Post winning tbh. The album was really good and it was a streaming and radio force.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 28, 2020 15:38:46 GMT -5
I really don't want Post getting AOTY, it's definitely a huge step down from Beerbongs, but aside from that its also career suicide. It will probably taint his image.
I think he deserves Record and Song though for Circles, since it is the HIT of 2020 without Blinding Lights being there.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 28, 2020 16:14:22 GMT -5
^ All this, except that I don't think "Hollywood's Bleeding" was a step down from "beerbongs & bentleys" (both are good, though)
But yeah, I would love to see "Circles" winning too. The song means a lot to me on a personal level, and while we all know how sketchy the Grammys have always been, it would be so nice to see it getting recognition. 2020 has been so strong for hit songs, though, that I would be happy with any of the nominees winning (except "If The World Was Ending", and I won't lie and say that "BLACK PARADE" sweeping both ROTY and SOTY would be underwhelming).
Ideally, ROTY would go to either "Circles" or "Don't Start Now", and SOTY would go to "I Can't Breathe", "cardigan", "everything I wanted", or "Circles" if they want to have the smash hit sweeping both like last year (I love "Don't Start Now", but it's pretty standard lyrically).
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Post by kimberly on Nov 28, 2020 16:21:30 GMT -5
I think a Dua win seems likely —more so than if she were nominated any other year— and it's what I would prefer to see. But I absolutely wouldn't mind Taylor, HAIM or Jhené taking it home.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 28, 2020 17:10:39 GMT -5
Finishing off my surface-level assessment on the AOTY nominees' chances, here's part two of what I wrote earlier today.
- "Djesse Vol. 3": One of the underdogs of the event, yet not quite, since Jacob Collier is already a four-time Grammy winner, and signed with the legendary Quincy Jones (who's an Academy darling). Suspicious? Perhaps, but based on what I read, he seems to offer something pretty interesting with his music, and I can see the Academy wanting to shine a light on a more unknown artist. As a result, I see this project as a likely contender too, especially since Collier apparently creates the arrangements and production of his songs all by himself (do correct me if I'm wrong here, though), and we know how they love that (see Beck, Alanis Morissette, and Mumford & Sons in their respective AOTY wins).
- "Everyday Life": Definitely the most random choice here. Just like Post, they aren't nominated on any of their own genre categories, which leaves them at a disadvantage. However, it's important to take into account that the Grammys might want to 'make up' for previous losses and honour Coldplay's music by giving them the win this year (basically, just see what frequently happens at the Oscars for older, established actors, or refer to Beck in 2015). I mean, that's the only reason I imagine they were even nominated in the first place, since we know the album didn't make nearly as much noise and any of their other projects. I actually think this might be the 'safest' choice after "Future Nostalgia", since again, there's a narrative here of rewarding a band that's been paid dust previously, and the album's exploration of social issues might be just the right fit for the Academy.
- "Black Pumas": I'm a bit lost on this one, not gonna lie. The second underdog out of these nominees, and unlike Jacob Collier, they don't have any particular backing by an Academy-favourite, and I'm surprised that the Wikipedia pages for both the band and the album feature very little information, with the main focus on the Grammy nominations. Like HAIM, the album wasn't nominated for its genre category, but they have nominations for both Record Of The Year and Best American Roots Performance, and the ROTY one is particularly intriguing. I will put them in the same likelihood as Jacob Collier for now, but my opinions might change once I listen to the album. I think it also has a shot, more so than "Women In Music Pt. III" and "Hollywood's Bleeding", at least.
- "Chilombo": Just like "Future Nostalgia" and "folklore", here we have another album that was firmly nominated in the genre categories as well. I could see it pulling a "Golden Hour" despite not being as critically acclaimed. Jhené's disadvantage, from my research, is her lack of Grammy love compared to Swift, Lipa, Collier, and Coldplay (unlike Kacey Musgraves, which had already won twice in 2014). We'll have to wait and see, I guess.
So yeah, these are my thoughts for now. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk - hope you enjoyed reading it 😅
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Post by RockaByeBaby on Nov 28, 2020 17:28:41 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I love Taylor but I'm rooting for Ms. Dua for that one. Taylor already has two and tbh, folklore is one of my least favorite projects of her discography (don't hate me).I gotta agree with this. I like Taylor, especially her pop stuff, but folklore is at the bottom of her discography for me. I appreciate the creative direction but it’s not my cup of tea, at all. Plus, Taylor winning AOTY a third time would give people even more ammo against the Grammys. The nominees in this category are pretty weak this year, so I’d rather the safest option, Dua Lipa, take home the Grammy. Honestly, the AOTY frontrunners should’ve been After Hours vs Future Nostalgia vs Fine Line. All critically acclaimed albums combined with commercial success.
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Post by Normi on Nov 28, 2020 17:52:27 GMT -5
I hope Don't Start Now for Record Of The Year, Circles for Song Of The Year and Future Nostalgia for Album Of The Year, Watermelon Sugar for Pop Solo, Rain On Me for Pop Duo/Group Performance and Fine Line for Pop Album but all of these happening is very unlike because I think Taylor won't be snubbed and Grammys tend to give everything to one person
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Post by wjr15 on Nov 28, 2020 20:01:06 GMT -5
I hope Don't Start Now for Record Of The Year, Circles for Song Of The Year and Future Nostalgia for Album Of The Year, Watermelon Sugar for Pop Solo, Rain On Me for Pop Duo/Group Performance and Fine Line for Pop Album but all of these happening is very unlike because I think Taylor won't be snubbed and Grammys tend to give everything to one person Honestly, this is how I can see things going except they’ll give SOTY to Cardigan instead of Circles.
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