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Post by collin on Jul 21, 2020 0:19:10 GMT -5
Whoever says this is not a smash hit is in denial. Who cares about a top 10 placing on a radio chart when it topped the most important single charts? This is not a smash hit. It definitely is not. For sure a decent sized hit though. |
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Jul 21, 2020 0:42:06 GMT -5
Whoever says this is not a smash hit is in denial. Who cares about a top 10 placing on a radio chart when it topped the most important single charts? This is not a smash hit. I changed my mind, can we swap NeRD for mood24 please |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 1:12:10 GMT -5
Good grief. No offense but you’re like a leech that won’t ever stop sucking blood. You’ve consistently popped up in this thread to remind us all how this is “flopping for its playlisting reach”, “how it was like talking to a brick wall” or how it isn’t a “hit”. We all are aware. We are just expressing our disappointment with its performance at radio when there has been songs with worse callouts that has had sailed through the Top 10 with ease but I’m not gonna start this conversation right now. All I will say is that I think you should chill and do something more productive with your time because from your posts, it comes off like you have history of targeting Gaga and her threads... Nah I just don't like excuses and her fans making it seems as if she's some victim.  |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 21, 2020 2:20:05 GMT -5
Regarding Rose's post above: If someone had said in January that Gaga would have two top 5 hits from her next album, I'd had been "like well let's see, one top ten maybe..." but of course the more one gets the more one wishes for!
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 21, 2020 5:36:33 GMT -5
I’m happy that Gaga is back in the position where we have to question is a #1 debut (that lasted 4 weeks in the Hot 100 top ten) and top ten CHR peaking song really a hit or not
Its Irish run so far has been:
1-2-2-2-2-2-6-5-7
It was stuck behind Rockstar for those weeks at #2. I don’t listen to the radio much anymore, but I do know Blinding Lights was completely overplayed. According to one of my brothers, it has reached Blinding Light’s level of overplayedness. As well as that, whenever I do turn on the radio, I hear this every time, as well as still hearing Stupid Love a lot. POP QUEEN!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 6:23:26 GMT -5
Yas, Canada!!! We know what’s up!  Wow @ The Uk and Ireland! That’s also pretty good, imo, for the US. People just want to nitpick. 🥱 |
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Post by MissAmericana on Jul 21, 2020 6:29:35 GMT -5
This is doing incredibly well in Europe, too bad the US isn't getting with the program.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 21, 2020 8:59:04 GMT -5
POP:
11 10 LADY GAGA & ARIANA GRANDE Rain On Me 10317 10339 -22 43.054
-12 Spins
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HOT AC:
7 7 LADY GAGA & ARIANA GRANDE Rain On Me 4405 4296 109 22.962
-22 Spins
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SPINS:
981 Spins from #8, Doja Cat (+287)
451 Spins from #9, Lewis Capaldi (-60)
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 21, 2020 9:09:32 GMT -5
The overall loss on Kworb is -0.20 so it's not that bad yet in terms of Hot 100... Hope it doesn't start plummeting.
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Post by breathingrande on Jul 21, 2020 9:36:59 GMT -5
Good grief. No offense but you’re like a leech that won’t ever stop sucking blood. You’ve consistently popped up in this thread to remind us all how this is “flopping for its playlisting reach”, “how it was like talking to a brick wall” or how it isn’t a “hit”. We all are aware. We are just expressing our disappointment with its performance at radio when there has been songs with worse callouts that has had sailed through the Top 10 with ease but I’m not gonna start this conversation right now. All I will say is that I think you should chill and do something more productive with your time because from your posts, it comes off like you have history of targeting Gaga and her threads... Nah I just don't like excuses and her fans making it seems as if she's some victim. Excuse me but this IS a smash , Just because it didn’t reach top5 on US top40 doesn’t make it less of a success USA ≠ Centre of the world |
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Jul 21, 2020 11:00:40 GMT -5
Nah I just don't like excuses and her fans making it seems as if she's some victim. Excuse me but this IS a smash , Just because it didn’t reach top5 on US top40 doesn’t make it less of a success USA ≠ Centre of the world I mean USA=Center of the music industry so... |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 21, 2020 11:16:28 GMT -5
Excuse me but this IS a smash , Just because it didn’t reach top5 on US top40 doesn’t make it less of a success USA ≠ Centre of the world I mean USA=Center of the music industry so... Biggest market =/= centre of the industry either. |
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Jul 21, 2020 11:42:26 GMT -5
I mean USA=Center of the music industry so... Biggest market =/= centre of the industry either. Then where do you think the center is lol |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 21, 2020 12:16:01 GMT -5
Biggest market =/= centre of the industry either. Then where do you think the center is lol Why does there have to be a centre? If an artist finds success in every music market except the US, are they not successful? Is k-pop not a major music genre just because it’s not as popular in the US? I can think of several artists who are or were huge in Canada without ever having had popularity in the US. Are they not successful? |
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Jul 21, 2020 12:30:34 GMT -5
Then where do you think the center is lol Why does there have to be a centre? If an artist finds success in every music market except the US, are they not successful? Is k-pop not a major music genre just because it’s not as popular in the US? I can think of several artists who are or were huge in Canada without ever having had popularity in the US. Are they not successful? There doesn’t have to be a center, but there is. All ten of the world’s largest record companies are American, so I’d say the US is the center of the industry. I’m not saying people can’t be successful if they’re only successful outside the US, of course they can. But the money is in the US. Also ftr, k pop is extremely popular in the US. |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 21, 2020 12:46:14 GMT -5
Why does there have to be a centre? If an artist finds success in every music market except the US, are they not successful? Is k-pop not a major music genre just because it’s not as popular in the US? I can think of several artists who are or were huge in Canada without ever having had popularity in the US. Are they not successful? Also ftr, k pop is extremely popular in the US. your sense of "popular" seems to differ a lot, huh? there hasn't been a legitimate k-pop hit on the charts yet unless you count "Gangnam Style" lol Re: US being the "center" of music—you're right in that the US is the biggest music market. However it makes up just about a third of the global revenue, and has only recently (after 2013) started to grow faster than Japan. In fact, in 2010, Japan had a larger market than the US. The third biggest market, Germany, is such a weird landscape for artists you would consider "global superstars" and has a ton of local talent that runs the charts (which caused Chromatica to debut at #3—Gaga's best debut in Germany since Born This Way.) |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 21, 2020 13:24:56 GMT -5
Also, the superstars in Latin American might have bigger audiences than we think. Bad Bunny and J Balvin are constantly among the most streamed artists globally despite not having current hits in the Anglo American world.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 21, 2020 14:11:34 GMT -5
It should bounce back into the Hot 100's Top 20 next week
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2020 14:15:04 GMT -5
This is peaking right where "Work" by Rihanna peaked. Was that not a huge hit either? Pop peaks aren't everything.
/end of discussion (hopefully)
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Post by kimberly on Jul 21, 2020 14:38:36 GMT -5
This is peaking right where "Work" by Rihanna peaked. Was that not a huge hit either? Pop peaks aren't everything./end of discussion (hopefully) not that I disagree with your statement here but pop wasn't "Work"s only/main format, it reached the top on rhythmic and urban and #2 on dance so it had a lot going on for Rihanna. "rain on me" is a pop song by pop artists so it's a different angle but still. pop. radio. peaks. aren't. everything. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 21, 2020 14:42:22 GMT -5
Eh, it reached #1 on the Hot 100 and Top 10 on Pop. Seems pretty good to me, I don't know why everyone is arguing. Album has 2 Top 5 hits, Gaga's first pop hit in 7 years. All in all a pretty solid run.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 21, 2020 14:44:14 GMT -5
Album has 2 Top 5 hits, Gaga's first pop hit in 7 years. All in all a pretty solid run. Gaga's first album to spawn 2 top 5 hits on the Hot 100 in 9 years, also |
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2020 15:07:24 GMT -5
This is peaking right where "Work" by Rihanna peaked. Was that not a huge hit either? Pop peaks aren't everything./end of discussion (hopefully) not that I disagree with your statement here but pop wasn't "Work"s only/main format, it reached the top on rhythmic and urban and #2 on dance so it had a lot going on for Rihanna. "rain on me" is a pop song by pop artists so it's a different angle but still. pop. radio. peaks. aren't. everything. It's true, and of course 9 weeks at #1 vs just one is a big difference but considering the state of the charts right now a pure pop song like this is doong great. Look at "Stuck with u"... |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 21, 2020 15:13:35 GMT -5
not that I disagree with your statement here but pop wasn't "Work"s only/main format, it reached the top on rhythmic and urban and #2 on dance so it had a lot going on for Rihanna. "rain on me" is a pop song by pop artists so it's a different angle but still. pop. radio. peaks. aren't. everything. It's true, and of course 9 weeks at #1 vs just one is a big difference but considering the state of the charts right now a pure pop song like this is doong great. Look at "Stuck with u"... eh, "SWU" was a charity single by two artists who had non-charity singles climbing up at the same time so it was clear it wouldn't be a priority for anyone. chart geeks barely remember that song exists so it definitely won't be in the public conscious by this time next year. I think it's hard to compare "Rain on Me" to other songs because there's not really any song like it on the radio. All the more reason for it to keep climbing up but... not gonna say it not gonna say it pop radio hates women and especially women who had their big pop radio era a full decade back so they'd rather play "Roses" I guess 🤢 |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 21, 2020 15:44:39 GMT -5
It's true, and of course 9 weeks at #1 vs just one is a big difference but considering the state of the charts right now a pure pop song like this is doong great. Look at "Stuck with u"... eh, "SWU" was a charity single by two artists who had non-charity singles climbing up at the same time so it was clear it wouldn't be a priority for anyone. chart geeks barely remember that song exists so it definitely won't be in the public conscious by this time next year. I think it's hard to compare "Rain on Me" to other songs because there's not really any song like it on the radio. All the more reason for it to keep climbing up but... not gonna say it not gonna say it pop radio hates women and especially women who had their big pop radio era a full decade back so they'd rather play "Roses" I guess 🤢 I don't think you're wrong, however let's not sit here and pretend like Gaga is on the edge of relevancy like she was 10 years ago. Why should pop radio play Rain On Me over something like Roses or Break My Heart? Pop radio has always leaned pretty young and younger audiences these days don't really care about Lady Gaga, she's old news. Which makes the fact that she was able to earn a Top 10 pop hit now even better. It's obvious from the call-out scores that Gaga, Katy, Taylor and Timberlake have been getting these days is that pop radio is ready to move on. The music industry has shifted in the streaming era, having long-standing careers like Madonna and Janet Jackson just really isn't that feasible anymore. Nobody really cares about hearing songs from the same popstars forever, just because Lady Gaga or Katy Perry had a bunch of pop hits a decade ago doesn't mean pop radio should spin them to #1 every time, especially if they aren't scoring well with audiences. I don't know what people are expecting, like Gaga is gonna pull big pop hits these days? That never happens! 10 years has always been the shelf-life of having hits on pop radio. Some people like Mariah Carey can get hits a little bit past 10 years but that's out of the norm. |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 21, 2020 15:49:03 GMT -5
eh, "SWU" was a charity single by two artists who had non-charity singles climbing up at the same time so it was clear it wouldn't be a priority for anyone. chart geeks barely remember that song exists so it definitely won't be in the public conscious by this time next year. I think it's hard to compare "Rain on Me" to other songs because there's not really any song like it on the radio. All the more reason for it to keep climbing up but... not gonna say it not gonna say it pop radio hates women and especially women who had their big pop radio era a full decade back so they'd rather play "Roses" I guess 🤢 I don't think you're wrong, however let's not sit here and pretend like Gaga is on the edge of relevancy like she was 10 years ago. Why should pop radio play Rain On Me over something like Roses or Break My Heart? Pop radio has always leaned pretty young and younger audiences these days don't really care about Lady Gaga, she's old news. Which makes the fact that she was able to earn a Top 10 pop hit now even better. It's obvious from the call-out scores that Gaga, Katy, Taylor and Timberlake have been getting these days is that pop radio is ready to move on. The music industry has shifted in the streaming era, having long-standing careers like Madonna and Janet Jackson just really isn't that feasible anymore. Nobody really cares about hearing songs from the same popstars forever, just because Lady Gaga or Katy Perry had a bunch of pop hits a decade ago doesn't mean pop radio should spin them to #1 every time, especially if they aren't scoring well with audiences. I don't know what people are expecting, like Gaga is gonna pull big pop hits these days? That never happens! 10 years has always been the shelf-life of having hits on pop radio. Some people like Mariah Carey can get hits a little bit past 10 years but that's out of the norm. Roses is doing worse in callouts and wasn't that big on streaming or sales (so much less interest than "Rain on Me") and is in a similar dance/edm-pop league, hence why I brought it up. Don't be so dense. Inhale, count to 16, exhale. It's going to be ok Mr Circles |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 21, 2020 15:52:38 GMT -5
You’re both right. Gaga isn’t what radio is eager to play, hence why #10 is a success for her. And no need to bash the jam Roses 😎
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 21, 2020 16:44:23 GMT -5
Aside from being a 9-week #1 on the Hot 100 and 18-week top ten, “WORK” peaked atop both Urban and Rhythmic radio and was a Streaming giant.
Moreover, it peaked at #2 on overall radio behind the behemoth that was “Love Yourself”. Most likely, at any other point, it would’ve hit number one.
The difference between Pure Pop acts such as Lady Gaga & Katy Perry and Urban/Pop acts such as Rihanna & Beyonce (who can easily surface between Pop/R&B/Hip-Hop) is that the latter artists will still see radio success on two other premier formats even long after Pop radio has abandoned them, especially Rihanna.
In my opinion, Lady Gaga should adopt a more HAC-centric sound after this album, similar to Pink & Kelly Clarkson. She doesn’t have to make her music completely ballad-driven ala. “ASIB/Shallow” but that was a step in a smart direction and it will help massively with her longevity too.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 21, 2020 16:53:57 GMT -5
Aside from being a 9-week #1 on the Hot 100 and 18-week top ten, “WORK” peaked atop both Urban and Rhythmic radio and was a Streaming giant. Moreover, it peaked at #2 on overall radio behind the behemoth that was “Love Yourself”. Most likely, at any other point, it would’ve hit number one. The difference between Pure Pop acts such as Lady Gaga & Katy Perry and Urban/Pop acts such as Rihanna & Beyonce (who can easily surface between Pop/R&B/Hip-Hop) is that the latter artists will still see radio success on two other premier formats even long after Pop radio has abandoned them, especially Rihanna. In my opinion, Lady Gaga should adopt a more HAC-centric sound after this album, similar to Pink & Kelly Clarkson. She doesn’t have to make her music completely ballad-driven ala. “ASIB/Shallow” but that was a step in a smart direction and it will help massively with her longevity too. I mean Joanne exists... I could give you a million reasons why Gaga shouldn't go HAC—at least not yet. |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 21, 2020 16:59:04 GMT -5
Aside from being a 9-week #1 on the Hot 100 and 18-week top ten, “WORK” peaked atop both Urban and Rhythmic radio and was a Streaming giant. Moreover, it peaked at #2 on overall radio behind the behemoth that was “Love Yourself”. Most likely, at any other point, it would’ve hit number one. The difference between Pure Pop acts such as Lady Gaga & Katy Perry and Urban/Pop acts such as Rihanna & Beyonce (who can easily surface between Pop/R&B/Hip-Hop) is that the latter artists will still see radio success on two other premier formats even long after Pop radio has abandoned them, especially Rihanna. In my opinion, Lady Gaga should adopt a more HAC-centric sound after this album, similar to Pink & Kelly Clarkson. She doesn’t have to make her music completely ballad-driven ala. “ASIB/Shallow” but that was a step in a smart direction and it will help massively with her longevity too. I mean Joanne exists... I could give you a million reasons why Gaga shouldn't go HAC—at least not yet. I really liked “Million Reasons”, and still do. Didn’t it peak at #5 on HAC radio in the top 15 of AC radio? That was brilliant for a Gaga single in 2017. I think a lot of her fans unfortunately neglect, or simply don’t care, about her success on Adult-Pop radio which has shown more commitment to her singles than Pop radio has since 2012. |
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