Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 20:11:46 GMT -5
the "#1 (+9)" made me JUMP. queen.
|
|
kimberly
Diamond Member
act i RENAISSANCE
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 11,921
My Charts
Pronouns: they/them
|
Post by kimberly on Oct 27, 2020 20:41:35 GMT -5
unfortunately that's about to turn into #11 (-10) this week (or hopefully she could stay in the Top 10 since it looks like she's tied, essentially)
|
|
andrebra
Gold Member
Joined: June 2020
Posts: 538
|
Post by andrebra on Oct 28, 2020 8:02:43 GMT -5
Her leaps to #1 are not having the same effects as they used to. Obviously sales are important, but she needs to do something to keep the era alive on streaming or else the “release a bunch of signed CDs once every couple weeks” to snap another week at #1 will start to look desperate :/
|
|
deepston
5x Platinum Member
Nightmare Dressed Like a Kitty
just like a folk song, our love will be passed on
Joined: August 2017
Posts: 5,661
|
Post by deepston on Oct 28, 2020 9:24:03 GMT -5
Her leaps to #1 are not having the same effects as they used to. Obviously sales are important, but she needs to do something to keep the era alive on streaming or else the “release a bunch of signed CDs once every couple weeks” to snap another week at #1 will start to look desperate :/ I kinda agree, she needs to keep the era fresh and alive. If her leaps were from #5 to #1 it wouldn't look as bad. But if she goes from out of the top 10 to #1, it will start to look fishy. However, she's finding a way to sell a bunch of physical copies in a time where physicals are almost dead. And this is keeping the album alive even though the only promo she gave it was a performance of a non-single at the country awards.
|
|
|
Post by neverduplicated on Oct 28, 2020 9:43:59 GMT -5
Maybe she’s just relying on awards season, end of year critics lists, the vinyl release, and Xmas sales to keep the album alive. Those things will help, but would it be that hard to release a new single? Even moderate success for a new single will keep stabilize streaming numbers which aren’t so bad but are in danger of collapsing. I’m still convinced she must be doing something with Exile. Why else would she spend so much money ($1m I read) on the Twitter branding?
|
|
deepston
5x Platinum Member
Nightmare Dressed Like a Kitty
just like a folk song, our love will be passed on
Joined: August 2017
Posts: 5,661
|
Post by deepston on Oct 28, 2020 9:47:51 GMT -5
Exile will definitely be released as a single in the coming weeks. And I believe the video is already shot as well. It is doing so well in some European countries like Belgium where the song is still hanging in the 50s on the Spotify Chart without even getting a touch of promo.
|
|
dante
New Member
now you're asking me to listen cause it worked each time before.
Joined: June 2020
Posts: 222
|
Post by dante on Oct 28, 2020 10:11:21 GMT -5
they also paid to do a RIAA certification. it def will be a single but i hope it has a killer mv and a good playlisting/radio deals with s radio edit. she's been fumbling the bag for 3 eras now
|
|
|
Post by schnetzka on Oct 28, 2020 10:25:29 GMT -5
If there is a music video for Exile, they needed to release it like yesterday. The album came out 3 months ago and during the streaming era releasing songs so far apart it is getting more and more unheard of. So it needs to be released by mid November at the latest. Especially since she'll be busy rerecording her songs.
|
|
matty005
3x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 3,423
|
Post by matty005 on Oct 28, 2020 10:42:12 GMT -5
they also paid to do a RIAA certification. it def will be a single but i hope it has a killer mv and a good playlisting/radio deals with s radio edit. she's been fumbling the bag for 3 eras now She has done fine this era. I really don’t get what people expect. Her album has been huge despite not having a killer single from it. There are no killer singles on it for radio. This is an album of amazing music and it’s selling like crazy. People are expecting, “killer,” music videos and her performing and appearing on various shows. I say this without trying to be mean to everyone, but you need to get out of your Twitter bubble of Taylor. There’s a fucking global pandemic going on. There is a huge election in 6 days. No matter what Taylor does, nothing is going to make news for a while. And with that said, with everything going on it makes it almost impossible to shoot big budget videos. Give Taylor a break. This thread has become exhausting to read the last few days.
|
|
|
Post by neverduplicated on Oct 28, 2020 10:48:42 GMT -5
^ Thank you for that. It’s exhausting how much Swifties have criticized Taylor’s choices for the past 3 years. She keeps giving us exceptional albums, a whole freaking movie, record-breaking tours, videos, performances, and she continues to smash. We are SO spoiled. We’ve gotten two albums and a movie in the past 14 months. Let’s celebrate how prolific and quality she is!
|
|
austin
9x Platinum Member
Pulse Survivor Sri Lanka Sole Survivor
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 9,175
|
Post by austin on Oct 28, 2020 11:05:59 GMT -5
Really the only complaint you can have is that a single didn't go to pop after "cardigan" but I don't think its a big deal. She is selling very well, the critical acclaim is actually more universal than she has ever had, and a large chunk of the GP that didn't care about her anymore or never did, actually love this album.
Plus, she DOES have a single out, "betty" is climbing the charts at Country.
I would think something is happening with "exile" as well, but I think even just another music video or two would help the era have some legs. All in all, I think this was already more successful than the Lover album.
|
|
kimberly
Diamond Member
act i RENAISSANCE
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 11,921
My Charts
Pronouns: they/them
|
Post by kimberly on Oct 28, 2020 11:10:43 GMT -5
I wish she did some interviews, maybe a couple live performances of "cardigan"... right now it's giving me "there will be no further explanation, there will just be reputation" era vibes and I don't like that.
But also folklore is such a change of pace, and an immaculate release, that it really doesn't need promo. she's trying to be alt, remember?
|
|
deepston
5x Platinum Member
Nightmare Dressed Like a Kitty
just like a folk song, our love will be passed on
Joined: August 2017
Posts: 5,661
|
Post by deepston on Oct 28, 2020 11:36:24 GMT -5
they also paid to do a RIAA certification. it def will be a single but i hope it has a killer mv and a good playlisting/radio deals with s radio edit. she's been fumbling the bag for 3 eras now She has done fine this era. I really don’t get what people expect. Her album has been huge despite not having a killer single from it. There are no killer singles on it for radio. This is an album of amazing music and it’s selling like crazy. People are expecting, “killer,” music videos and her performing and appearing on various shows. I say this without trying to be mean to everyone, but you need to get out of your Twitter bubble of Taylor. There’s a f**king global pandemic going on. There is a huge election in 6 days. No matter what Taylor does, nothing is going to make news for a while. And with that said, with everything going on it makes it almost impossible to shoot big budget videos. Give Taylor a break. This thread has become exhausting to read the last few days. I agree with you but the visuals for this era are so pretty and probably my favorite of hers ever. I don't want it to end with only 1 music video...
|
|
matty005
3x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 3,423
|
Post by matty005 on Oct 28, 2020 12:04:14 GMT -5
I wish she did some interviews, maybe a couple live performances of "cardigan"... right now it's giving me "there will be no further explanation, there will just be reputation" era vibes and I don't like that. But also folklore is such a change of pace, and an immaculate release, that it really doesn't need promo. she's trying to be alt, remember? I think I have said this before, but do people really think a Zoom performance of, "cardigan," on Fallon or Kimmel is going to do anything? To me, it only cheapens it. Taylor is a huge star. When she performs on TV it's a big deal. Doing a weird remote performance just doesn't fit with her brand. And I know I keep saying this, but there is a global pandemic. Her mom is high risk with her cancer treatments. Taylor probably doesn't want to be doing much right now. And also, we have no clue how her mom is even doing. I've been a Taylor fan since I heard "Tim McGraw," the day it was released (on a message forum called McGraws.com). I have followed her career quite a bit (though not like a lot of people here). I just think some of you have too high/unrealistic expectations. Like a poster above said. She just gave us this amazing album with 17 tracks out of the blue. kimberly I replied to your post, but this post wasn't really directed at you.
|
|
kimberly
Diamond Member
act i RENAISSANCE
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 11,921
My Charts
Pronouns: they/them
|
Post by kimberly on Oct 28, 2020 14:32:28 GMT -5
I wish she did some interviews, maybe a couple live performances of "cardigan"... right now it's giving me "there will be no further explanation, there will just be reputation" era vibes and I don't like that. But also folklore is such a change of pace, and an immaculate release, that it really doesn't need promo. she's trying to be alt, remember? I think I have said this before, but do people really think a Zoom performance of, "cardigan," on Fallon or Kimmel is going to do anything? To me, it only cheapens it. Taylor is a huge star. When she performs on TV it's a big deal. Doing a weird remote performance just doesn't fit with her brand. And I know I keep saying this, but there is a global pandemic. Her mom is high risk with her cancer treatments. Taylor probably doesn't want to be doing much right now. And also, we have no clue how her mom is even doing. I've been a Taylor fan since I heard "Tim McGraw," the day it was released (on a message forum called McGraws.com). I have followed her career quite a bit (though not like a lot of people here). I just think some of you have too high/unrealistic expectations. Like a poster above said. She just gave us this amazing album with 17 tracks out of the blue. kimberly I replied to your post, but this post wasn't really directed at you. I mean, if I were her, I would have tried to film a live performance around the music video shoot. you already have a crew that got tested and taken necessary measures for safety, so might as well do something more. (not saying she had to do this, obviously there are so many factors that we don't even know about.) I'm also tired of people not doing interviews. I really enjoyed the interviews she gave around Lover release, as well as the documentary and interviews around its release. I would have loved seeing (or even hearing) Taylor talk about the making of folklore. but alas, we don't know what's going on in her personal life and it's weird to put that pressure on artists.
|
|
suitact
New Member
Joined: November 2019
Posts: 31
|
Post by suitact on Oct 28, 2020 15:20:25 GMT -5
they also paid to do a RIAA certification. it def will be a single but i hope it has a killer mv and a good playlisting/radio deals with s radio edit. she's been fumbling the bag for 3 eras now She has done fine this era. I really don’t get what people expect. Her album has been huge despite not having a killer single from it. There are no killer singles on it for radio. This is an album of amazing music and it’s selling like crazy. People are expecting, “killer,” music videos and her performing and appearing on various shows. I say this without trying to be mean to everyone, but you need to get out of your Twitter bubble of Taylor. There’s a f**king global pandemic going on. There is a huge election in 6 days. No matter what Taylor does, nothing is going to make news for a while. And with that said, with everything going on it makes it almost impossible to shoot big budget videos. Give Taylor a break. This thread has become exhausting to read the last few days. Probably correct, but her releasing a music video should not be national news.
The truth is there is no interest and her eras are very frontloaded. Harry Styles' Fine Line had a new video that pushed the album's streams on spotify up 3 million to a total of 10 million per day, 10 months after it was released. That's an artist with hype that is worth investing. Now Taylor, look how much The Man did for Lover... Absolutely nothing.
|
|
Eloqueen™
Diamond Member
TSC: Certified Member
Joined: September 2007
Posts: 21,109
|
Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 28, 2020 15:20:56 GMT -5
The fact Folklore will end up selling more than Lover on the back of one single whose radio performance was worse than the first three singles of Lover is incredible to me (not to mention the album isn't really geared for radio). We shouldn't be expecting really good longevity either if we are being honest, as there isn't anything pushing sales aside from good word of mouth and signed copies/different editions (and you can only do so much with that). It just is all really impressive to me. Like, look at how vastly different in terms of promotional push and visibility the two eras have been and then look at the results of each. Even if folklore dropped significantly from this point forward, it did everything it needed to.
|
|
|
Post by ificanthaveyou on Oct 28, 2020 17:51:39 GMT -5
I think some of y’all underestimate how well exile/the 1 would perform on radio. Even if they peaked at 10-20 it would give the album a push and bring more attention to it. A solid music video would help streaming and make people aware that she has an album out. I’m not saying this era hasn’t been super successful. How many artists have topped a million albums sold in their first three months? I’m saying, this album has the potential to create momentum for her next era and put her back into the GP’s good graces once again. Asking for some interviews, a music video, and some live performances isn’t a huge ask IMO.
In the digital era, I think it’s more important than ever to make people aware of your presence. These days my go-to artists will come out with a new single/album and I won’t even know about it until I catch an interview or the video is trending on social media/YouTube or they promote it on their platforms, or I find about it on Pulse. For the GP, you have to promote to gain their interest and attention. Just throwing a project out and hoping it catches fire is... lazy at best.
Like I said, it’s not about being successful. It’s about meeting the massive potential that I think this album has.
|
|
matty005
3x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 3,423
|
Post by matty005 on Oct 29, 2020 0:44:14 GMT -5
I honestly find it really annoying when people keep telling fans who expect more from her on every other page, 'She doesn't have to promote. The album is smashing.' If it was smashing so hard, why did she sign so many signed CDs every other week? Folklore won't outsell Lover at this rate. At this point (3 months after release), Lover was doing about 50K weekly. Folklore is doing about about 25K outside signed CDs. It hasn't outsold Lover in China (where Lover sold 1M+ first week and Folklore has sold 900K in a month). Lover had much more stable streams at this point, even though both Lover and Folklore's last single was 3 months old at this point. Taylor doesn't live with her mother; I don't know why everyone keeps bringing up the same argument that she shouldn't promote because she might put her mom in danger. Honestly no one is telling her to promote on every single show. One SNL performance and one AMA/BBMA medley is all most Swifties are asking of her. People are in a global pandemic right now. These are difficult times. They need something to cheer them up. Screw that, would even sending a single to radio and getting it (and just it, not even the rest of the album) some playlisting require her to expose herself to Corona? If she is so mindful of Covid-19, why did she put out 8 covers during a time when so many dedicated fans have lost their jobs? Try not demonizing fans who just want to see her again. They're the reason why she is so successful and there's nothing wrong with them asking her to do the bare minimum. This post in so tone deaf. The fact that you think Taylor (or any artist) owes people anything is beyond me. I am not even going to respond beyond this because literally every sentence you wrote makes me cringe.
|
|
Eloqueen™
Diamond Member
TSC: Certified Member
Joined: September 2007
Posts: 21,109
|
Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 29, 2020 2:10:03 GMT -5
I honestly find it really annoying when people keep telling fans who expect more from her on every other page, 'She doesn't have to promote. The album is smashing.' If it was smashing so hard, why did she sign so many signed CDs every other week? Folklore won't outsell Lover at this rate. At this point (3 months after release), Lover was doing about 50K weekly. Folklore is doing about about 25K outside signed CDs. It hasn't outsold Lover in China (where Lover sold 1M+ first week and Folklore has sold 900K in a month). Lover had much more stable streams at this point, even though both Lover and Folklore's last single was 3 months old at this point. Taylor doesn't live with her mother; I don't know why everyone keeps bringing up the same argument that she shouldn't promote because she might put her mom in danger. Honestly no one is telling her to promote on every single show. One SNL performance and one AMA/BBMA medley is all most Swifties are asking of her. People are in a global pandemic right now. These are difficult times. They need something to cheer them up. Screw that, would even sending a single to radio and getting it (and just it, not even the rest of the album) some playlisting require her to expose herself to Corona? If she is so mindful of Covid-19, why did she put out 8 covers during a time when so many dedicated fans have lost their jobs? Try not demonizing fans who just want to see her again. They're the reason why she is so successful and there's nothing wrong with them asking her to do the bare minimum. This post in so tone deaf. The fact that you think Taylor (or any artist) owes people anything is beyond me. I am not even going to respond beyond this because literally every sentence you wrote makes me cringe. Ditto. And "demonizing fans". LOL
|
|
gbaby
2x Platinum Member
Joined: April 2007
Posts: 2,477
|
Post by gbaby on Oct 29, 2020 11:16:12 GMT -5
Yeah, super greedy of her to put out a work of art that can distract people during a time of trauma and chaos. How dare she have the audacity to give her fans - and non-fans - options.
Some of y'all just stay triggered, all day everyday.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 29, 2020 12:59:11 GMT -5
|
|
NeRD
Diamond Member
RIHANNA NAVY
Joined: March 2010
Posts: 15,082
|
Post by NeRD on Oct 29, 2020 15:50:54 GMT -5
People in here whining about stuff they have absolutely no control over. Tay really just gave us two full studio albums in one year's time, which both imo are great. Y'all need to just enjoy the music and the masterpiece which is Folklore.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 29, 2020 16:39:30 GMT -5
Lol at how uncalm this thread is now
|
|
nickd
4x Platinum Member
Joined: November 2017
Posts: 4,416
|
Post by nickd on Oct 29, 2020 16:49:34 GMT -5
This post in so tone deaf. The fact that you think Taylor (or any artist) owes people anything is beyond me. I am not even going to respond beyond this because literally every sentence you wrote makes me cringe. Putting out 8 versions of the same album during a global pandemic is greedy, and you finding it tone deaf doesn't make it less tone deaf. Would it also be greedy to put out a merch sweater that comes in 8 different colours? I really don't get this argument.
|
|
myhouse911
Gold Member
Joined: June 2010
Posts: 723
|
Post by myhouse911 on Oct 29, 2020 17:08:24 GMT -5
The fact Folklore will end up selling more than Lover on the back of one single whose radio performance was worse than the first three singles of Lover is incredible to me (not to mention the album isn't really geared for radio). We shouldn't be expecting really good longevity either if we are being honest, as there isn't anything pushing sales aside from good word of mouth and signed copies/different editions (and you can only do so much with that). It just is all really impressive to me. Like, look at how vastly different in terms of promotional push and visibility the two eras have been and then look at the results of each. Even if folklore dropped significantly from this point forward, it did everything it needed to. Is it a fact folklore will outsell Lover, though? No, it's an opinion. Directly following that up with not expecting longevity, is contradictive to your 'fact'. If you're not expecting longevity, how is folklore going to outsell Lover? Currently Lover is 1.2M ahead of folklore, and it's streaming units are about 12k a week compared to folklore's 19k. If you mean pure sales, folklore is close to 200k units away from Lover's physical units. Unless she plans on selling a million more signed albums, folklore is likely not surpassing Lover's total units. Also, I would agree, this is quite an impressive era. Minimal spending, especially in comparison to her previous cycles, various album covers that contain the same tracks, a deluxe edition, signed albums - the woman knows how to make a profit and give her stans what they want. Here's to hoping the Recording Academy will shower her with many nominations (much deserved, imo) this year.
|
|
NeRD
Diamond Member
RIHANNA NAVY
Joined: March 2010
Posts: 15,082
|
Post by NeRD on Oct 29, 2020 18:15:08 GMT -5
The fact Folklore will end up selling more than Lover on the back of one single whose radio performance was worse than the first three singles of Lover is incredible to me (not to mention the album isn't really geared for radio). We shouldn't be expecting really good longevity either if we are being honest, as there isn't anything pushing sales aside from good word of mouth and signed copies/different editions (and you can only do so much with that). It just is all really impressive to me. Like, look at how vastly different in terms of promotional push and visibility the two eras have been and then look at the results of each. Even if folklore dropped significantly from this point forward, it did everything it needed to. Is it a fact folklore will outsell Lover, though? No, it's an opinion. Directly following that up with not expecting longevity, is contradictive to your 'fact'. If you're not expecting longevity, how is folklore going to outsell Lover? Currently Lover is 1.2M ahead of folklore, and it's streaming units are about 12k a week compared to folklore's 19k. If you mean pure sales, folklore is close to 200k units away from Lover's physical units. Unless she plans on selling a million more signed albums, folklore is likely not surpassing Lover's total units. Also, I would agree, this is quite an impressive era. Minimal spending, especially in comparison to her previous cycles, various album covers that contain the same tracks, a deluxe edition, signed albums - the woman knows how to make a profit and give her stans what they want. Here's to hoping the Recording Academy will shower her with many nominations (much deserved, imo) this year. Pretty sure the poster was referring to pure sales, which Folklore will absolutely outsell Lover.
|
|
|
Post by neverduplicated on Oct 29, 2020 22:44:42 GMT -5
|
|
Eloqueen™
Diamond Member
TSC: Certified Member
Joined: September 2007
Posts: 21,109
|
Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 30, 2020 1:06:53 GMT -5
Is it a fact folklore will outsell Lover, though? No, it's an opinion. Directly following that up with not expecting longevity, is contradictive to your 'fact'. If you're not expecting longevity, how is folklore going to outsell Lover? Currently Lover is 1.2M ahead of folklore, and it's streaming units are about 12k a week compared to folklore's 19k. If you mean pure sales, folklore is close to 200k units away from Lover's physical units. Unless she plans on selling a million more signed albums, folklore is likely not surpassing Lover's total units. Also, I would agree, this is quite an impressive era. Minimal spending, especially in comparison to her previous cycles, various album covers that contain the same tracks, a deluxe edition, signed albums - the woman knows how to make a profit and give her stans what they want. Here's to hoping the Recording Academy will shower her with many nominations (much deserved, imo) this year. Pretty sure the poster was referring to pure sales, which Folklore will absolutely outsell Lover. Yep! Someone gets it. This will definitely outsell Lover in actual sales. The vinyl has yet to be released and I am sure they have a few more incentives coming too. Also, it's not hard for Lover to have the advantage on SPS when it went 4 singles (of songs tailored for radio) deep and Folklore only had 1. lol Not to mention the enormous promotional push that went into Lover. Folklore's success feels a lot more impressive.
|
|
myhouse911
Gold Member
Joined: June 2010
Posts: 723
|
Post by myhouse911 on Oct 30, 2020 1:58:43 GMT -5
Pretty sure the poster was referring to pure sales, which Folklore will absolutely outsell Lover. Yep! Someone gets it. This will definitely outsell Lover in actual sales. The vinyl has yet to be released and I am sure they have a few more incentives coming too. Also, it's not hard for Lover to have the advantage on SPS when it went 4 singles (of songs tailored for radio) deep and Folklore only had 1. lol Not to mention the enormous promotional push that went into Lover. Folklore's success feels a lot more impressive. Okay cool. What if people disagree that folklore's success is less impressive because of the difference in buying options that Lover did not provide her fans, is that going to be a tolerated opinion? I just want to make sure I'm thinking the same way as everyone else and I don't want to be so obtuse with future posts.
|
|