Billboard Hot 100: 08/15/2020

[Choco]

I don't see that song selling as much? Are the Barbz really that rich?

With songs debuting high and dropping the next week into oblivion due to either streams or sales does it even matter? Miss Minaj has many accomplishments and another shortlived top 5 hit is not gonna add anything relevant to her stats.

[wavey.]

Who knows. We've seen things happen🤷‍♀️
The song is going for adds next week, we'll see how its core holds up.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 5, 2020 16:16:48 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Aug 5, 2020 16:12:03 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

hot 100 number ones are meaningless now . These fans created multiple iTunes accounts , use multiple cards etc to buy as many as maybe 50 copies . Reading those tweets makes me realize number ones are now a manipulation game

why so mad if someone wants to buy multiple copies to help their fave? The same happens with streaming.anyone can have a song on replay and it will count on hot 100.. the same with album copies..taylor and her multiple editions of the album was an example the last week.I'm sure fans bought many copies

It weakens the credibility of what the chart is supposed to be.

[think pink.]

The charts have always been manipulated. We just are aware now and hold power to do it ourselves.

[inverse]

Aug 5, 2020 16:16:48 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Aug 5, 2020 16:12:03 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

hot 100 number ones are meaningless now . These fans created multiple iTunes accounts , use multiple cards etc to buy as many as maybe 50 copies . Reading those tweets makes me realize number ones are now a manipulation game

why so mad if someone wants to buy multiple copies to help their fave? The same happens with streaming.anyone can have a song on replay and it will count on hot 100.. the same with album copies..taylor and her multiple editions of the album was an example the last week.I'm sure fans bought many copies

Tbf it does feel hard to deny that Cardigan was the biggest song of last week. It would never have gone to #1 if it weren't for widespread positive acclaim

[Myth X]

Minaj's chart runs are fun to look at.

Can't wait to see this one

[fridayteenage]

I mean, Cardigan was #1 On Demand and #1 Streaming too.

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 16:50:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Aug 5, 2020 16:16:48 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

why so mad if someone wants to buy multiple copies to help their fave? The same happens with streaming.anyone can have a song on replay and it will count on hot 100.. the same with album copies..taylor and her multiple editions of the album was an example the last week.I'm sure fans bought many copies

It weakens the credibility of what the chart is supposed to be.

saying “why you mad abut it “ is a silly generic SM rebuttal. I’m not mad , but we are here discussing chart issues , right ? Making observations or being discontent is not being mad . Stay well 😻

[kimberly]

Aug 5, 2020 16:50:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Aug 5, 2020 16:16:48 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

why so mad if someone wants to buy multiple copies to help their fave? The same happens with streaming.anyone can have a song on replay and it will count on hot 100.. the same with album copies..taylor and her multiple editions of the album was an example the last week.I'm sure fans bought many copies

It weakens the credibility of what the chart is supposed to be.

lmao I don't want to do this again but what is the chart "supposed to be"? whatever Billboard defines it as will always be what it is. They are a company, and I'm guessing most of their subscribers are people working in the music industry. Billboard doesn't give a shit what "chart predictors" think, they don't care what angry Barbz think, because these people are not bringing in their revenue. Obviously they need to be relevant for the industry to care; but so long as the industry cares about them, they will remain relevant. 

[Deleted]

How in the world is Move Ya Hips debuting this high? Is it sales?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Yeah, mostly. It already dropped to #2 to iTunes.

BTW, does anybody know anything about the current #1, Just About Over You?

[lurker2]

Aug 5, 2020 18:25:50 GMT -5 @jadenlefranks said:

How in the world is Move Ya Hips debuting this high? Is it sales?

Its sales. So many sales.

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 18:25:50 GMT -5 @jadenlefranks said:

How in the world is Move Ya Hips debuting this high? Is it sales?

Yeah I asked that question too . So you want to tell me that sales makes up for no radio , no video and poor streaming? SMH

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Basically, yes.

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 18:33:31 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

^Basically, yes.

then the hoopla about the importance of streaming is quite laughable 😂

[strongerq]

Aug 5, 2020 18:24:27 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Aug 5, 2020 16:50:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

It weakens the credibility of what the chart is supposed to be.

lmao I don't want to do this again but what is the chart "supposed to be"? whatever Billboard defines it as will always be what it is. They are a company, and I'm guessing most of their subscribers are people working in the music industry. Billboard doesn't give a s**t what "chart predictors" think, they don't care what angry Barbz think, because these people are not bringing in their revenue. Obviously they need to be relevant for the industry to care; but so long as the industry cares about them, they will remain relevant. 

I won't join in on this discussion again, just wanted to point this out:

The practice of selling vinyl, CDs and other physical releases that won’t be manufactured and shipped to consumers for weeks or months -- while offering a digital download that can be redeemed instantly -- has become widespread as of late, with artists including Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande and 6ix9ine all recently using the tactic to boost their chart positions. The latest rule changes will render that tactic ineffectual.

Billboard is implementing these changes to address widespread concerns that an accurate measure of consumer intent -- which has been the basis of the Billboard charts since their inception -- is being undermined by increasingly-common bundling practices. The new guidelines will better ensure that Billboard chart rankings more accurately reflect the conscious purchasing decisions of consumers and level the playing field for all artists.

So manipulating sales doesn't stand that well with them either (probably their partners aswell).

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 18:45:32 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Aug 5, 2020 18:24:27 GMT -5 kimberly said:

lmao I don't want to do this again but what is the chart "supposed to be"? whatever Billboard defines it as will always be what it is. They are a company, and I'm guessing most of their subscribers are people working in the music industry. Billboard doesn't give a s**t what "chart predictors" think, they don't care what angry Barbz think, because these people are not bringing in their revenue. Obviously they need to be relevant for the industry to care; but so long as the industry cares about them, they will remain relevant. 

I won't join in on this discussion again, just wanted to point this out:

The practice of selling vinyl, CDs and other physical releases that won’t be manufactured and shipped to consumers for weeks or months -- while offering a digital download that can be redeemed instantly -- has become widespread as of late, with artists including Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande and 6ix9ine all recently using the tactic to boost their chart positions. The latest rule changes will render that tactic ineffectual.

Billboard is implementing these changes to address widespread concerns that an accurate measure of consumer intent -- which has been the basis of the Billboard charts since their inception -- is being undermined by increasingly-common bundling practices. The new guidelines will better ensure that Billboard chart rankings more accurately reflect the conscious purchasing decisions of consumers and level the playing field for all artists.

So manipulating sales doesn't stand that well with them either (probably their partners aswell).

I completely agree with you. I don’t think they built this musical dynasty just to have it be manipulated and mocked by these tactics. They need to close all these loopholes.

[kimberly]

Aug 5, 2020 18:45:32 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Aug 5, 2020 18:24:27 GMT -5 kimberly said:

lmao I don't want to do this again but what is the chart "supposed to be"? whatever Billboard defines it as will always be what it is. They are a company, and I'm guessing most of their subscribers are people working in the music industry. Billboard doesn't give a s**t what "chart predictors" think, they don't care what angry Barbz think, because these people are not bringing in their revenue. Obviously they need to be relevant for the industry to care; but so long as the industry cares about them, they will remain relevant. 

I won't join in on this discussion again, just wanted to point this out:

The practice of selling vinyl, CDs and other physical releases that won’t be manufactured and shipped to consumers for weeks or months -- while offering a digital download that can be redeemed instantly -- has become widespread as of late, with artists including Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande and 6ix9ine all recently using the tactic to boost their chart positions. The latest rule changes will render that tactic ineffectual.

Billboard is implementing these changes to address widespread concerns that an accurate measure of consumer intent -- which has been the basis of the Billboard charts since their inception -- is being undermined by increasingly-common bundling practices. The new guidelines will better ensure that Billboard chart rankings more accurately reflect the conscious purchasing decisions of consumers and level the playing field for all artists.

So manipulating sales doesn't stand that well with them either (probably their partners aswell).

yeah but my point is that they define what they are, and what the "accurate measure" is. 

[bbfan97]

time to stop counting sales altogether

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Aug 5, 2020 18:34:55 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Aug 5, 2020 18:33:31 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

^Basically, yes.

then the hoopla about the importance of streaming is quite laughable 😂

In this particular case, yes.

[levitating]

someone might’ve already mentioned this but a certain “priscilla block” is #1 on itunes and it seems that she’s botting considering her 579 twitter followers. barbz are going crazy.

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 19:07:37 GMT -5 levitating said:

someone might’ve already mentioned this but a certain “priscilla block” is #1 on itunes and it seems that she’s botting considering her 579 twitter followers. barbz are going crazy.

I feel bad for the Barbz .. always high strung and paranoid 😂 . Not to mention broke as well .. buying 17 versions of every nicki song can be financially draining

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[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 5, 2020 18:24:27 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Aug 5, 2020 16:50:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

It weakens the credibility of what the chart is supposed to be.

lmao I don't want to do this again but what is the chart "supposed to be"? whatever Billboard defines it as will always be what it is. They are a company, and I'm guessing most of their subscribers are people working in the music industry. Billboard doesn't give a s**t what "chart predictors" think, they don't care what angry Barbz think, because these people are not bringing in their revenue. Obviously they need to be relevant for the industry to care; but so long as the industry cares about them, they will remain relevant. 

Okay - so maybe it's us who is misinterpreting what Billboard's chart is meant to be, but Billboard themselves play into it by catering their social media, not to industry folk, or to subscribers, but to chart watchers and fans. As much as we might like to say they don't give a s**t what non-industry folk think, stans still flock to them and their charts for bragging rights and that generates web hits and follows and interest in what they do, so I'd say they do care a little bit. But going back to the credibility angle, without credibility, labels and industry folk will gradually stop using Billboard charts as a reference point if there are other better measurements to go by.

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 20:13:00 GMT -5 @lil14 said:

. Well no way that Move Ya Hips is only 70k ! It’s at least 100k so I see it more like a number 3 entry . Where it gets interesting is with Harry. He just released a limited edition vinyl single available only till tomorrow. His fans are motivated and hungry for a number 1 . He is about 20k copies away from a number 1 and I think he’s the dark horse this week. Depends how generous his fans are. I looked on his site and the vinyl singles are $17!!!!! SEVENTEEN!! It’s a bit much

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 20:13:00 GMT -5 @lil14 said:

. Well no way that Move Ya Hips is only 70k ! It’s at least 100k so I see it more like a number 3 entry . Where it gets interesting is with Harry. He just released a limited edition vinyl single available only till tomorrow. His fans are motivated and hungry for a number 1 . He is about 20k copies away from a number 1 and I think he’s the dark horse this week. Depends how generous his fans are. I looked on his site and the vinyl singles are $17!!!!! SEVENTEEN!! It’s a bit much

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Move Ya Hips debuting in the top 10 is the exact reason sales should be counted less than they already are

[thelegends]

Aug 5, 2020 16:27:46 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Yeah but My Future isn't exactly that dark, it is a really hopeful song, and probalby the brightest thing she's ever released.

Billie Eilish’s dark ballads will one day stop working. You can’t really have elongated success with one type of music, especially if it’s ballads. That’s why Bad Guy was nice, it’s fun and light.

[thelegends]

Aug 5, 2020 19:00:10 GMT -5 bbfan97 said:

time to stop counting sales altogether

And might as well remove radio, it can be manipulated by rich af people choosing a specific song to be played a lot in order to boost its position.

[rainygirl]

So I think Twitter is saying Weeknd x Juice has been leaked .