Billboard Hot 100: 08/15/2020

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 5, 2020 7:55:44 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Aug 5, 2020 7:33:42 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

omg

first off: it's still in the Top 10 on Spotify and has a good radio deal. It was also just released FIVE DAYS AGO, and she only got big last year so apologize if she doesn't have the clout veterans have. Maybe wait a few more weeks/months before labeling something as a flop. This is stan-level cringey

Also: "majority of folks don’t want to constantly listen to depressed music" the biggest debut of the year so far was 'folklore' and that album isn't exactly chipper

Finally, she's a teenager who's struggled with depression. She can be as moody and emotional as she wants, she's young. She's made plenty of songs before about being sad and she can continue to do so if she wants, and it's not like you can't be successful and write about your struggles of mental illness.

I am only criticizing her song , not HER!! And you’re of course entitled to your opinion , I don’t expect everybody to think as I do . Good day and hugs to you ❤️😊😘

Thank you clearing that up. I thought that u were questioning her writing about her depression so sincerely apologize for misinterpreting your words!

Song is still not a flop though.

[felle]

Aug 5, 2020 7:12:05 GMT -5 Xander said:

Billie’s new song flopped. Maybe she’ll finally realize that the majority of folks don’t want to constantly listen to depressed music.

She's not making depressed music

[Enigma.]

My Future is doing pretty well for a pop single IMO and will be comfortably top ten on weekly chart (Spotify that is).

[Deleted]

I wouldn’t say the song flopped at all, but imo, I think it definitely underperformed. I would have expected it to be more stable given her fan base, or at least be slightly more stable than No Time To Die, given the 5 month gap.

I do personally feel like she’s reached her peak in terms of popularity. But even with that being said, she’s obviously still very young and has a lot of time to stabilise as an artist. Even if the track isn’t performing to the standards we expected, her numbers are still very good, especially at this age.

Besides, it’s still got a (Likely) Top 10 debut going for it, which is still impressive

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 7:59:59 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 5, 2020 7:55:44 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

I am only criticizing her song , not HER!! And you’re of course entitled to your opinion , I don’t expect everybody to think as I do . Good day and hugs to you ❤️😊😘

Thank you clearing that up. I thought that u were questioning her writing about her depression so sincerely apologize for misinterpreting your words!

Song is still not a flop though.

no apologies needed ❤️😻 and I never said flop ... that was the other guy 😂

[kierz7]

Aug 5, 2020 8:12:23 GMT -5 @killamonjaro said:

I wouldn’t say the song flopped at all, but imo, I think it definitely underperformed. I would have expected it to be more stable given her fan base, or at least be slightly more stable than No Time To Die, given the 5 month gap.

I do personally feel like she’s reached her peak in terms of popularity. But even with that being said, she’s obviously still very young and has a lot of time to stabilise as an artist. Even if the track isn’t performing to the standards we expected, her numbers are still very good, especially at this age.

Besides, it’s still got a (Likely) Top 10 debut going for it, which is still impressive

She’s only released one studio album + an EP.

I think it’s extremely early to say that she’s reached her ‘peak popularity’.

Most people thought Ariana Grande had also reached her peak with “My Everything”, especially with how “Dangerous Woman” initially underperformed as well as “Sweetener” to a lesser extent, and then came “Thank U, Next”.

Given Eilish’s relatively left-field artistic/sonic output, I can see her being the type of artist who sees consistent album/streaming success (and acclaim) but not necessarily massive singles/radio success. Her music is not as alternative/industrial as Fiona Apple or GRIMES or FKA Twigs or even Lana Del Rey but also clearly not as commercial/accessible as others either.

Eilish also has a big Global fanbase.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Or follow in Lorde's footsteps.

[thegreatdivine]

Aug 5, 2020 8:47:09 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Or follow in Lorde's footsteps.

Seeing as Lorde peaked commercially with her debut era, I don't believe that's the path Billie would like her career to follow, but otherwise, I see her as someone who will have more overall success compared to Lorde. She already does so well on streaming and she's managed to build such a massive fanbase already. She might not score #1 hits or top 10 hits frequently, but I can see her being a force commercially for a really long time.

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Aug 5, 2020 8:37:59 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:12:23 GMT -5 @killamonjaro said:

I wouldn’t say the song flopped at all, but imo, I think it definitely underperformed. I would have expected it to be more stable given her fan base, or at least be slightly more stable than No Time To Die, given the 5 month gap.

I do personally feel like she’s reached her peak in terms of popularity. But even with that being said, she’s obviously still very young and has a lot of time to stabilise as an artist. Even if the track isn’t performing to the standards we expected, her numbers are still very good, especially at this age.

Besides, it’s still got a (Likely) Top 10 debut going for it, which is still impressive

She’s only released one studio album + an EP.

I think it’s extremely early to say that she’s reached her ‘peak popularity’.

Most people thought Ariana Grande had also reached her peak with “My Everything”, especially with how “Dangerous Woman” initially underperformed as well as “Sweetener” to a lesser extent, and then came “Thank U, Next”.

Given Eilish’s relatively left-field artistic/sonic output, I can see her being the type of artist who sees consistent album/streaming success (and acclaim) but not necessarily massive singles/radio success. Her music is not as alternative/industrial as Fiona Apple or GRIMES or FKA Twigs or even Lana Del Rey but also clearly not as commercial/accessible as others either.

Eilish also has a big Global fanbase.

This wasn’t main point of my post anyways

[dremolus - solarpunk]

I do think because her brother is such a hot name for pop production, she'll stay in the mainstream a little bit longer than Lorde because of his clout.

I do think she'll eventually indie route like other pop stars (Carly, Lorde, Charli) or she starts working with other indie acts the same way Taylor did this year. It will be interesting to hear Billie on production not done by FINNEAS.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/08/05

1(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 138.26(-0.22)
2(+1) Harry Styles - Adore You 122.26(+0.29)
3(-1) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR (feat. Roddy Ricch) 120.92(-1.09) -
4(=) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 117.40(+0.76)
5(=) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 114.78(+0.54)
6(=) SAINt JHN - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 103.18(+0.01)
7(=) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 97.31(+1.26)
8(=) Post Malone - Circles 90.11(+0.04)
9(=) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 84.11(-0.55)
10(=) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 83.58(+0.02)

11(=) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN (Remix) [feat. DaBaby, Tory Lanez & Lil Wayne] 74.56(+0.80)

18(+1) Chris Janson - Done 58.20(+1.26)

32(=) Doja Cat - Like That (feat. Gucci Mane) 42.91(+0.50)

36(+2) Jawsh 685 X Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed-Siren Beat) 40.84(+0.78)

44(+1) DJ Khaled - POPSTAR (feat. Drake) 36.25(+0.96)

46(+1) Maroon 5 - Nobody's Love 35.28(+2.02)

60(+2) Megan Thee Stallion - Girls in the Hood 28.05(+0.67)

64(+7) Taylor Swift - cardigan (cabin in candlelight version) 26.59(+1.99)

82(=) Pop Smoke - The Woo (feat. 50 Cent & Roddy Ricch) 20.89(+0.92)

83(+6) illie Eilish - my future 19.71(+1.04)

98(+5) Juice WRLD & Marshmello - Come & Go 17.69(+0.97)

-(-) Dan + Shay - I Should Probably Go To Bed 17.35(+1.39)

-(-) Ozuna - Caramelo 14.73(+0.97)

-(-) J. Cole - Lion King On Ice 6.42(+0.52) 

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 5, 2020 8:57:00 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:47:09 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Or follow in Lorde's footsteps.

Seeing as Lorde peaked commercially with her debut era, I don't believe that's the path Billie would like her career to follow, but otherwise, I see her as someone who will have more overall success compared to Lorde. She already does so well on streaming and she's managed to build such a massive fanbase already. She might not score #1 hits or top 10 hits frequently, but I can see her being a force commercially for a really long time.

I thought we were talking about likely paths Billie might end up on, not what she would like her career to follow. Obviously she'd want to maintain or build upon her success but like Lorde, Billie is a rather niche artist, perhaps even more so, and where I didn't see Lorde expanding on the sound and image of her first album much (she proved me wrong), I feel similarly about Billie.

[gabe]

Aug 5, 2020 8:57:00 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:47:09 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Or follow in Lorde's footsteps.

Seeing as Lorde peaked commercially with her debut era, I don't believe that's the path Billie would like her career to follow, but otherwise, I see her as someone who will have more overall success compared to Lorde. She already does so well on streaming and she's managed to build such a massive fanbase already. She might not score #1 hits or top 10 hits frequently, but I can see her being a force commercially for a really long time.

Seeing as Lorde gets more critical acclaim with every album she releases, while other rappers release subpar music constantly.... should I continue? 

[amid]

Hot N**** by Bobby Shmurda is back in the Apple Music top 1500 at #338. SHMURDA SEASON IS HERE!

[Groovy]

Don’t be surprised if Watermelon Sugar ends up at number 2.

[iamsorare]

[strongerq]

Aug 5, 2020 9:49:28 GMT -5 gabe said:

Seeing as Lorde gets more critical acclaim with every album she releases, while other rappers release subpar music constantly.... should I continue? 

The discussion is about Billie commercially. You can have critically acclaimed album and sell 100K, and on the other hand you can have an album with < 5/10 score based on critics that sells 5M.

critical acclaim is irrelevant in this duscussion.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I had to google what MOVE YA HIPS is...I'm so sick of bundles.

[After Minutes]

The fact that the song with A$AP Ferg's name attatched to it that might reach the top 10 this year is Move Ya Hips and not Mazel Tov makes me want to consider getting a vasectomy.

[gabe]

Aug 5, 2020 10:00:07 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Aug 5, 2020 9:49:28 GMT -5 gabe said:

Seeing as Lorde gets more critical acclaim with every album she releases, while other rappers release subpar music constantly.... should I continue? 

The discussion is about Billie commercially. You can have critically acclaimed album and sell 100K, and on the other hand you can have an album with < 5/10 score based on critics that sells 5M.

critical acclaim is irrelevant in this duscussion.

and I'm saying that it's not all about commercial success.

[iHype.]

Aug 5, 2020 10:07:28 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I had to google what MOVE YA HIPS is...I'm so sick of bundles.

It’s not even because bundles, it’s because the same group of Barbz keep purchasing 4 copies per purchase from artists websites. It’s a clear loophole Billboard has to remove also. The artist site is even set up to let them buy a max of 4 copies:

shop.asapferg.com/product/Y4DDAS08/move-ya-hips-feat-nicki-minaj-madeintyo-digital-single-download?cp=null

On iTunes you can’t purchase 4 copies of the same song. Also there is no need to buy 4 copies of one song DIGITALLY, there’s literally no logic behind it. Digital purchases should be limited to 1 copy counting.

[Xander]

Aug 5, 2020 7:33:42 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 5, 2020 7:21:57 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

I agree . It’s painful to listen too . She’s way too young to constantly mss make this type of music

omg

first off: it's still in the Top 10 on Spotify and has a good radio deal. It was also just released FIVE DAYS AGO, and she only got big last year so apologize if she doesn't have the clout veterans have. Maybe wait a few more weeks/months before labeling something as a flop. This is stan-level cringey

Also: "majority of folks don’t want to constantly listen to depressed music" the biggest debut of the year so far was 'folklore' and that album isn't exactly chipper

The song went from doing 2M streams to 900k in 5 days... the longevity isn’t promising. It’s also free falling on AM. Taylor’s album isn’t exactly a mega success either. Apart from its debut week, it’s doing ok.

[shayonce]

Apple Music USA Top 100 - 8/04 Tuesday -
1.(=) Pop Smoke - Mood Swings (feat. Lil Tjay)
2.(=) Pop Smoke - For the Night (feat. Lil Baby & DaBaby)
3.() Lil Baby & 42 Dugg - We Paid
4.(=) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR (feat. Roddy Ricch)
5.(=) Pop Smoke - The Woo (feat. 50 Cent & Roddy Ricch)
6.(=) Juice WRLD & Marshmello - Come & Go
7.(+1) Taylor Swift - the 1
8.(-1) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy
9.(+78) Dababy - Peep Hole
10.(-1) Moneybagg Yo - Said Sum

11.(=) Juice WRLD - Wishing Well
12.(+1) Pop Smoke - Something Special
13.(-3) DJ Khaled - POPSTAR (feat. Drake)
14.(=) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN (Remix) [feat. DaBaby, Tory Lanez & Lil Wayne]
15.(=) Rod Wave - Rags2Riches (feat. ATR Son Son)
16.(-4) Taylor Swift - cardigan
17.(-1) Pop Smoke - Got It on Me
18.(=) Taylor Swift - exile (feat. Bon Iver)
19.(=) Juice WRLD & Marshmello - Hate the Other Side (feat. Polo G & The Kid LAROI)
20.(-3) Billie Eilish - my future

21.(=) Lil Baby - The Bigger Picture
22.(=) Pop Smoke - Dior
23.(-3) DJ Khaled - GREECE (feat. Drake)
24.(=) Lil Durk - 3 Headed Goat (feat. Lil Baby & Polo G)
25.(+1) Juice WRLD - Blood On My Jeans
26.(-1) Roddy Ricch - The Box
27.(+53) DaBaby - NO DRIBBLE (feat. Stunna 4 Vegas)
28.(=) Juice WRLD - Conversation
29.(-2) Gunna - DOLLAZ ON MY HEAD (feat. Young Thug)
30.(-7) Future & Lil Uzi Vert - Patek

34.(+2) Megan Thee Stallion - Girls in the Hood
35.(-6) Taylor Swift - the last great american dynasty
36. DaBaby - BLIND (feat. Young Thug)
37.(-2) Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat)
39.(-5) Taylor Swift - my tears ricochet
40.(-3) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar
43.(-5) Gunna - STREET SWEEPER (feat. Future)
48.(-8) Taylor Swift - august
50.(-3) A$AP Ferg - Move Ya Hips (feat. Nicki Minaj & MadeinTYO)
56. Morgan Wallen - Chasin' You
61.(-7) Taylor Swift - mirrorball
63.(+1) Kane Brown, Swae Lee, Khalid - Be Like That
64.(-8) Taylor Swift - invisible string
65. DaBaby - PRACTICE
66. Saweetie - Tap In
68. DaBaby - BILLBOARD BABY
69.(-9) J. Cole - The Climb Back

70.(-11) Taylor Swift - seven
77.(-2) Gunna - COOLER THAN A BITCH (feat. Roddy Ricch)
81.(-12) Taylor Swift - this is me trying
82.(-11) Taylor Swift - illicit affairs
85. DaBaby - TLC (feat. Gunna)
86.(-12) Taylor Swift - betty
88.(-37) Future & Lil Uzi Vert - Over Your Head
89. DaBaby - GO
95.(-14) J. Cole - Lion King On Ice
97.(-12) Taylor Swift - mad woman
98.(-10) NLE Choppa - Narrow Road (feat. Lil Baby)

[Xander]

Aug 5, 2020 10:11:12 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Aug 5, 2020 10:07:28 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I had to google what MOVE YA HIPS is...I'm so sick of bundles.

It’s not even because bundles, it’s because the same group of Barbz keep purchasing 4 copies per purchase from artists websites. It’s a clear loophole Billboard has to remove also. The artist site is even set up to let them buy a max of 4 copies:

shop.asapferg.com/product/Y4DDAS08/move-ya-hips-feat-nicki-minaj-madeintyo-digital-single-download?cp=null

On iTunes you can’t purchase 4 copies of the same song. Also there is no need to buy 4 copies of one song DIGITALLY, there’s literally no logic behind it. Digital purchases should be limited to 1 copy counting.

Billboard needs to put a stop to the barbz before it gets really out of hand

[shayonce]

Aug 5, 2020 10:11:12 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Aug 5, 2020 10:07:28 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I had to google what MOVE YA HIPS is...I'm so sick of bundles.

It’s not even because bundles, it’s because the same group of Barbz keep purchasing 4 copies per purchase from artists websites. It’s a clear loophole Billboard has to remove also. The artist site is even set up to let them buy a max of 4 copies:

shop.asapferg.com/product/Y4DDAS08/move-ya-hips-feat-nicki-minaj-madeintyo-digital-single-download?cp=null

On iTunes you can’t purchase 4 copies of the same song. Also there is no need to buy 4 copies of one song DIGITALLY, there’s literally no logic behind it. Digital purchases should be limited to 1 copy counting.

yeah bard been doing this. this song also is on nicki's store too. lol
at least it's not discounted like her previous duet.

it will be interesting if BTS fans gonna do this.. imagine their sales..
BTS has their song at $0.69 and also instrumental version too.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Aug 5, 2020 10:11:12 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Aug 5, 2020 10:07:28 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I had to google what MOVE YA HIPS is...I'm so sick of bundles.

It’s not even because bundles, it’s because the same group of Barbz keep purchasing 4 copies per purchase from artists websites. It’s a clear loophole Billboard has to remove also. The artist site is even set up to let them buy a max of 4 copies:

shop.asapferg.com/product/Y4DDAS08/move-ya-hips-feat-nicki-minaj-madeintyo-digital-single-download?cp=null

On iTunes you can’t purchase 4 copies of the same song. Also there is no need to buy 4 copies of one song DIGITALLY, there’s literally no logic behind it. Digital purchases should be limited to 1 copy counting.

I saw 80k and I thought it's because of bundles. Wow, what a waste of time and money.

[Deleted]

I don't like Billie's music, but I respect her work and her as a person. I honestly don't think she's going anywhere soon. Even if My Future under performs, it's just a droplet in a year when songs not attached to albums have struggled unlike the previous two years. Her career path increasingly reminds me of Avril Lavigne and Taylor Swift, a teenage girl who makes it big with an album cycle whilst making music that resonates with other teenage girls. She reminds me more of Taylor in the sense that her album was just absolutely, all time record breaking in terms of success in the US, her previous effort was given legendary longevity because of it, she became a Grammy darling because of it, and was become a centre of attention. Both of them had massive worldwide hits in the form of Love Story and You Belong With Me for Taylor and Bad Guy for Billie, and both followed it up with post-album moderate hits like Fifteen and Everything I Wanted. Now I know Taylor's singles didn't have the longevity of Billie, but were the means of music consumption the same in 2009 as they were in 2019, Taylor would've had the same level of longevity. Anyways, post-Fearless, Taylor released Today Was A Fairytale which under performed commercially after a debut carried by lofty sales. Then Speak Now was released, and despite being a massive commercial success, it was seen as a disappointment. I get the same vibes from Billie post-WWAFAWDG?, as people think she's significantly underperforming. I think her next album will also be seen as a major underperformance compared to her debut, even though I anticipate it to be a major success if we don't keep pre-imposed standards of success in minds when analysing its success. I think with her third or fourth album she'll become more mainstream in terms of sound, and that will elevate her to her peak.

Or she could pull a Lorde and completely stop comparing about mainstream success.

[rainygirl]

Aug 5, 2020 10:27:02 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Aug 5, 2020 10:11:12 GMT -5 iHype. said:

It’s not even because bundles, it’s because the same group of Barbz keep purchasing 4 copies per purchase from artists websites. It’s a clear loophole Billboard has to remove also. The artist site is even set up to let them buy a max of 4 copies:

shop.asapferg.com/product/Y4DDAS08/move-ya-hips-feat-nicki-minaj-madeintyo-digital-single-download?cp=null

On iTunes you can’t purchase 4 copies of the same song. Also there is no need to buy 4 copies of one song DIGITALLY, there’s literally no logic behind it. Digital purchases should be limited to 1 copy counting.

I saw 80k and I thought it's because of bundles. Wow, what a waste of time and money.

you’re spot on. So it’s basically 20k fans buying 80k copies . Why should that be allowed ?

[wavey.]

If they are legally buying it why not?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 5, 2020 10:18:17 GMT -5 Xander said:

Aug 5, 2020 7:33:42 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

omg

first off: it's still in the Top 10 on Spotify and has a good radio deal. It was also just released FIVE DAYS AGO, and she only got big last year so apologize if she doesn't have the clout veterans have. Maybe wait a few more weeks/months before labeling something as a flop. This is stan-level cringey

Also: "majority of folks don’t want to constantly listen to depressed music" the biggest debut of the year so far was 'folklore' and that album isn't exactly chipper

The song went from doing 2M streams to 900k in 5 days... the longevity isn’t promising. It’s also free falling on AM. Taylor’s album isn’t exactly a mega success either. Apart from its debut week, it’s doing ok.

Flop is still too harsh of a word to throw out on a song that just released and from an artist that just broke through. I feel that expectations are too high nowadays for artists that any song that does do good after their first hit is a flop or seen as the artist already peaking. Billie just arrived. Y'all be patient and wait, her career isn't set in stone just yet. You can't write the full story of an artist after only a year or two unless that artist actually dies.

tl;dr - An underperformance isn't the be-all end-all