Billboard Hot 100: 12/05/2020

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

and yall wonder why people hate ARMYs 

edit: u know, im glad this is the post that starts a new page 

[iggyamo]

Nov 30, 2020 3:26:46 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

and yall wonder why people hate ARMYs 

edit: u know, im glad this is the post that starts a new page 

BTS stans are just Tr*mp stans change my mind

[Harx]

Nov 30, 2020 5:40:24 GMT -5 iggyamo said:

Nov 30, 2020 3:26:46 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

and yall wonder why people hate ARMYs 

edit: u know, im glad this is the post that starts a new page 

BTS stans are just Tr*mp stans change my mind

They might be alike but they also seem to be mortal enemies. I say, let them fight.

[GP]

Nov 29, 2020 21:33:24 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Super legit guys, not a problem with this at all lol. Number one song in the country is barely top 40 in the way a vast majority of people consume music.

Perfect system 👍

Edit - Like I swear I have no problem with sales having weight on the chart, considering people still buy (for some reason) but when a small group of maybe 50k people can just clearly manipulate the charts like this, it leaves such a bad taste in my mouth and billboard is GAGGING for it because they'll never get as many clicks as they do when BTS does literally anything ever.

I hate meaningless #1s, I really do. and at least when a song like FRANCHISE does it, they do it with a #6 on Streaming Songs.... but now #36? Outrageous....

[GP]

this is an accurate representation of any BTS stan imo

[musicspy]

Nov 30, 2020 6:11:06 GMT -5 GP said:

this is an accurate representation of any BTS stan imo

This is an inaccurate representation of Lady Gaga first and foremost

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Nov 30, 2020 6:27:58 GMT -5 musicspy said:

Nov 30, 2020 6:11:06 GMT -5 GP said:

this is an accurate representation of any BTS stan imo

This is an inaccurate representation of Lady Gaga first and foremost

To be fair, if they're eleven now that would've meant they were born around the time Gaga was at her peak and thus didn't grow up with her music the same way we did. It just shows that even with the Internet, a generational happens between the current persona of an artist and when they were dominant. I'm confident that in 10 years, 11 year olds won't look at Rihanna or Mariah Carey or Post Malone as the legends we chart freaks know her us. They'll be to attached to their fave that year.

[strongerq]

Mandatory post:

Hot 100 formula:

Sales / 5
Paid streams / 1250
Free streams / 1875
Programmed streams / 2500
Radio / 6000

Notice a difference?

Billboard 250 paid streams = 1 sale     
RIAA 150 paid streams = 1 sale
Rolling Stone 120 paid streams = 1 sale
UK chart 100 paid streams = 1 sale


Billboard 200 formula:

10 track sales = 1 album unit
1250 paid streams = 1 album unit
3750 free streams = 1 album unit

RIAA 1500 paid/free streams = 1 album unit

Rolling Stone 1200 paid streams/3600 free streams = 1 album unit

Applying logic from 3rd grade. Since we know 1 album = 10 track sales, 1250/10 = 125 paid streams needed for a song unit (or 375 free streams). Sales have twice more importance over paid streams than they should.

If we look at how albums are consumed:

6% - Video Streams

79% - Audio Streams

3% - Track Sales

12% - Album Sales

Since we are talking about songs, how are they consumed in the US (we remove albums):

Song sales - 3.4%

Song Streams - 96.6%

So who should decide the 96.6% or the 3.4% ? - Both, but one should have waaaay more power. You know which.

But is it like that ? - NO.

MORE THAN 10 SONGS HAVE GONE TO #1 on THE HOT 100 within the last year thanks to the 3.4% and not the majority.

Starting from 'Heartless' to the latest 'Life Goes On'. I say latest not last because it won't stop untill Billboard updates their rules.

inb4: I know there are exceptions, so in theory the 3.4% can overpower the 96.6%. If tomorrow an artist (doesn't matter who BTS/Adele/ fuсking MJ) dropped a song that got 500,000 sales by 500,000 unique people, i would be glad for it to go #1. But that isn't the case :(

The numbers are from the 2020 Nielsen Mid-year Report. I didn't include radio in the conversation, because if you add radio on top of this, sales have even less importance.

SPOILER: Click to show

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[jayhawk1117]

Nov 30, 2020 6:08:37 GMT -5 GP said:

Nov 29, 2020 21:33:24 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Super legit guys, not a problem with this at all lol. Number one song in the country is barely top 40 in the way a vast majority of people consume music.

Perfect system 👍

Edit - Like I swear I have no problem with sales having weight on the chart, considering people still buy (for some reason) but when a small group of maybe 50k people can just clearly manipulate the charts like this, it leaves such a bad taste in my mouth and billboard is GAGGING for it because they'll never get as many clicks as they do when BTS does literally anything ever.

I hate meaningless #1s, I really do. and at least when a song like FRANCHISE does it, they do it with a #6 on Streaming Songs.... but now #36? Outrageous....

That's the worst part for me, it's so blatantly nowhere close to the biggest song in the country. Like 36??? Like I'm sure most of the Christmas songs peak higher than that a week before Christmas 😂.

[kalmanta]

So with Kings & Queens we have another radio darling peaking outside the top 10! No way this has a chance with all the Christmas classics gaining so much.

[kimberly]

Nov 30, 2020 8:12:41 GMT -5 kalmanta said:

So with Kings & Queens we have another radio darling peaking outside the top 10! No way this has a chance with all the Christmas classics gaining so much.

if she manages to stay afloat over holidays it could sneak in there in early January, but otherwise yeah. I'm still impressed Ava Max managed to out peak her debut hit "Sweet but Psycho" on radio. hope she can keep it up!

[jenglisbe]

Nov 30, 2020 8:12:41 GMT -5 kalmanta said:

So with Kings & Queens we have another radio darling peaking outside the top 10! No way this has a chance with all the Christmas classics gaining so much.

If it's only doing well at radio it should peak outside the top 10.

[nak]

Anyway BTS ended SoundScan Era

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/11/30

1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 134.95(+0.04)
2(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 117.22(+0.02)
3(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 108.40(+0.41)
4(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 101.67(+0.10)
5(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 98.93(+0.44)
6(=) Justin Bieber - Holy (feat. Chance the Rapper) 89.78(+0.55)
7(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 88.08(+0.02) +
8(=) Surf Mesa - ily (i love you baby) [feat. Emilee] 84.11(-0.22)
9(=) Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) 74.34(-1.35)
10(+1) Ariana Grande - positions 73.86(+1.56)

37(=) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 36.75(+0.94)

98(+7) Bad Bunny - La Santa f/Daddy Yankee 14.95(+0.83)

-(-) Bad Bunny & Jhay Cortez - DÁKITI 11.89(+0.78) +

-(-) Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY 9.96(+2.05) ++

-(-) Ritt Momney - Put Your Records On 9.67(+0.70)

-(-) Sada Baby - Whole Lotta Choppas f/N. Minaj 8.43(+1.77) +

-(-) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 5.18(+1.80) +

-(-) Yung Bleu - You're Mines Still f/Drake 3.58(+1.65) +

-(-) Mike Will Made-it F/youngboy.. - What That Speed Bout!? f/Nicki 3.54(+1.93) +

-(-) Rauw Alejandro & J Balvin - De Cora 3.22(+0.79) +

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Save Your Tears come through!!!

[lucidruid]

idk about yall but i’m finding the fact that a song with low streaming numbers and like 0 radio (not sure what the numbers are but they’re supposedly really low) going #1 kinda hilarious.

i don’t think any of us, including the Bts stans (hopefully?) think that Life Goes On is the biggest song in the US right now. it genuinely... isn’t.

but it’s fun to watch this random group of people (stans) just... play the industry? lol. like there is SO much at play within the industry, the labels, the radios, the streaming services, etc. to get a #1 labels go to huge lengths, including losing money on bundles, bribing radio DJs, issuing extra physical sales (hello Harry Styles) and other questionable tactics.

and here come this random ass group of people, just catapulting songs to #1 with pure determination alone. lol.

why am i the only one finding this hilarious? i always imagine the industry officials seething seeing this. particularly Scooter Brown for some reason. imagine how much work he puts in to get Justin all these radio deals and playlisting, for him to simmer in the Top 5.

[chartfreak]

December 9, 1995

01 01 One Sweet Day - Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men (2nd of 16 weeks at #1)
02 02 Exhale (Shoop Shoop) - Whitney Houston
03 03 Hey Lover - LL Cool J feat. Boyz II Men
04 04 Fantasy - Mariah Carey
05 05 Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio feat. L.V.
06 08 Diggin' On You - TLC
07 06 You Remind Me Of Something - R. Kelly
08 NE You'll See - Madonna
09 09 Name - The Goo Goo Dolls
10 07 Runaway - Janet Jackson

Mariah, Whitney, Madonna, and Janet in the Top 10.

Wow, 4 of the biggest DIVAS ever in the top 10 together. Such great times to be a 20 year old gay boy following the charts!

[Deleted]

The Army who have commented might never have felt compelled to do so if not for the often irrational and unfettered hatred on display directed towards a group who works just as hard as, is just as talented as and has at least as many fans as any of the other artists who top the charts.

It's pretty ugly in here and ironic someone mentioned Trump because if BTS were Central American asylum seekers some of you would be shaking your fists in the air screeching to build the wall. It's pretty disgusting, actually. There are a lot of artists I have never heard of, don't listen to or don't

like who top the charts yet I don't feel the need to throw a massive virtual tantrum over it. The Billboard chart originated to track what songs/music sold the most, was played on radio and on juke boxes. That was a time when the consumer could call a radio station and the DJ would answer the

phone and you could request a song and they would play it if they had it. Today radio is rife with payola where even if listeners call to make requests they only play what some executive somewhere tells them to play. That is not consumer driven at all. Playlisting is an issue too because big labels

have the power to buy a song's way onto lists so a given song gets streams that the consumer never chose themselves. Yes, there are some issues with sales and there is filtering in place to prevent true mass buying from one source, vpns using the same credit card, etc. However, sales is still

the ONLY metric that is 100% consumer driven. That person makes a choice to purchase that song because they want THAT song. They didn't hear it on the radio because of payola. They didn't hear it passively while streaming a list of what someone else decided was popular. Maybe it's time to

come to terms with the fact that BTS is actually pretty popular in the US. All those physical album sales are real people who truly enjoy the groups music enough to fork over $50 for an album project a group they love poured all of themselves into. It's actually an album written/composed and

produced mostly by the members about this hellish pandemic. The songs have very meaningful and compelling lyrics, as usual, about topics everyone can relate to right now. But anyhow, by all means continue with the hate fest. It was the same thing with Dynamite even though that songs is

hugely popular you all still p!ssed and moaned about that too. Can't wait to see all the tears if BTS gets an album bomb.

[Mayman]

[chartfreak]

Nov 29, 2020 7:18:46 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Nov 29, 2020 6:39:42 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Is there a streaming platform where Brenda is ahead?

Apple Music:

AIWFCIY - #20

RATCT - #112

Amazon Music(i think):

AIWFCIY - #1

RATCT - #3

Youtube (with UGC):

AIWFCIY - #18

RATCT - N/A

Does Brenda even have a Youtube Channel?

[Taylor.]

[Linnethia Monique]

Nov 30, 2020 12:25:53 GMT -5 @sosalty said:

It's pretty ugly in here and ironic someone mentioned Trump because if BTS were Central American asylum seekers some of you would be shaking your fists in the air screeching to build the wall.

[loveless]

you heard it here first everybody, your 8 stans buying the exact same song 100 times over is the only real form of organic success, we're all just haters and Trump supporters for thinking otherwise

[iwin]

Nov 30, 2020 12:25:53 GMT -5 @sosalty said:

The Army who have commented might never have felt compelled to do so if not for the often irrational and unfettered hatred on display directed towards a group who works just as hard as, is just as talented as and has at least as many fans as any of the other artists who top the charts.

It's pretty ugly in here and ironic someone mentioned Trump because if BTS were Central American asylum seekers some of you would be shaking your fists in the air screeching to build the wall. It's pretty disgusting, actually. There are a lot of artists I have never heard of, don't listen to or don't

like who top the charts yet I don't feel the need to throw a massive virtual tantrum over it. The Billboard chart originated to track what songs/music sold the most, was played on radio and on juke boxes. That was a time when the consumer could call a radio station and the DJ would answer the

phone and you could request a song and they would play it if they had it. Today radio is rife with payola where even if listeners call to make requests they only play what some executive somewhere tells them to play. That is not consumer driven at all. Playlisting is an issue too because big labels

have the power to buy a song's way onto lists so a given song gets streams that the consumer never chose themselves. Yes, there are some issues with sales and there is filtering in place to prevent true mass buying from one source, vpns using the same credit card, etc. However, sales is still

the ONLY metric that is 100% consumer driven. That person makes a choice to purchase that song because they want THAT song. They didn't hear it on the radio because of payola. They didn't hear it passively while streaming a list of what someone else decided was popular. Maybe it's time to

come to terms with the fact that BTS is actually pretty popular in the US. All those physical album sales are real people who truly enjoy the groups music enough to fork over $50 for an album project a group they love poured all of themselves into. It's actually an album written/composed and

produced mostly by the members about this hellish pandemic. The songs have very meaningful and compelling lyrics, as usual, about topics everyone can relate to right now. But anyhow, by all means continue with the hate fest. It was the same thing with Dynamite even though that songs is

hugely popular you all still p!ssed and moaned about that too. Can't wait to see all the tears if BTS gets an album bomb.

Get used to it. We'll always get treated like that. As long as the boys are happy, we should be fine

[walt91]

Nov 30, 2020 12:25:53 GMT -5 @sosalty said:

if BTS were Central American asylum seekers some of you would be shaking your fists in the air screeching to build the wall

can we not compare the struggles of asylum seekers escaping violence to the poor oppressed BTS stans who have to see their fave get criticized? thanks

[gikem]

Let me make two things very clear:

1. I have no problem with BTS. They're a solid enough group with some good songs in their catalog. And congratulations to them on their inevitable second #1.

2. What I do have a problem with is sales manipulation, a problem that is NOT limited to BTS' fanbase. And this is not necessarily a fan/stan problem so much as it is an industry problem that they choose to give so much weight to a method of consumption that is generally outdated and very easy to manipulate. When I say that I hope Billboard changes their formula to downweight sales and remove the influence of artists' webstores, this is what it has everything to do with: not with the artists or the fans, but with the industry and how they measure a single's (or album's) success.

[phieaglesfan712]

Those sales numbers confirm Top 20's for Blue & Grey and Stay. Blue & Grey may even sneak into the Top 10. 4 Top 20's (including the #1 hit) isn't too bad for BTS.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

There’s gold in them there hot 100 threads! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[GP]

When does the Global 200 top10 get out?

[lazer]

According to BTS stans, if we are not fans of BTS's music, we are racist Donald Trump supporters.