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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 1, 2020 10:16:48 GMT -5
Interesting that most non-holiday songs got green updates, while the holiday ones got red ones. |
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Post by jamatthews83 on Dec 1, 2020 10:18:58 GMT -5
I think I've read a few times before that Christmas songs tend to peak over the weekend, and fall back down the rest of the week.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 1, 2020 10:19:52 GMT -5
rime- they also sold the digital single on the website? I don't visit the BTS site too often, so I wouldn't know in that regard. :) In any event, my point still stands, in regard to it not really being "manipulation."
lazer- streaming was becoming such a dominant force, that Billboard didn't want it to be the metric that totally rules the chart. Airplay and sales have always been part of the mix to some degree, so they should not be pushed to the sidelines, even if the numbers don't compared to streaming. Most tracks are still available for digital purchase (not like what the Hot 100 Singles Sales chart became, when few big hits were commercially released). Also, all acts are free to have physical singles available for purchase on their website or wherever. For the ones that do, it's more about marketing than manipulation.
I also reiterate that Billboard was right to do away with that buy-the-physical-single-get-an-instant-download tactic, when the physical single wouldn't ship for weeks or months from that point. That is not comparable to what's being discussed in this thread.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 1, 2020 10:41:04 GMT -5
When did the 2020s decade start for Billboard? I assume late December 2019 since their chart year usually ends late November. Is that still how it is? I haven't paid attention in so long. I ask because it would mean "AIWFCIY" already has 3 weeks at #1 for the 2020s decade. It should actually have started on the charts dated October 5, 2019. Because this is what was mentioned for the 2010s decade end Chart Beat article: How We Charted the Decade: Billboard's decade-end recaps encompass chart performance from Dec. 5, 2009, through Sept. 28, 2019 (except for those for the Social 50, which began on Dec. 11, 2010, and Hot Dance/Electronic Songs and Streaming Songs, each of which launched on Jan. 26, 2013).
Oh wow. I assume the 2019 chart year didn't end, though? Maybe they did that because it takes longer to compile and release the decade chart. If it did start with the 10/5/19 chart, then all of the chart run of "AIWFCIY" last year will count. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 1, 2020 10:42:54 GMT -5
I think I've read a few times before that Christmas songs tend to peak over the weekend, and fall back down the rest of the week. Correct. Holiday music usually makes a big jump post-Thanksgiving and that weekend, but in general it peaks on weekends with holiday parties and the like. I also assume it's people playing holiday music while they decorate, clean, etc. Baby Yoda Hot100Fan |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 1, 2020 10:55:52 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/12/01
1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 135.47(+0.52)
2(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 116.05(-1.17)
3(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 108.50(+0.10) +
4(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 102.43(+0.76)
5(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 99.31(+0.38) 6(=) Justin Bieber - Holy (feat. Chance the Rapper) 91.19(+1.41)
7(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 87.43(-0.65) -
8(=) Surf Mesa - ily (i love you baby) [feat. Emilee] 83.30(-0.81) +
9(+1) Ariana Grande - positions 76.09(+2.23)
10(-1) Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) 73.28(-1.06)
28(=) Parker McCollum - Pretty Heart 43.59(+0.56)
35(+2) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 37.36(+0.60)
58(+5) Shawn Mendes & Justin Bieber - Monster 23.35(+0.91)
-(-) Bad Bunny & Jhay Cortez - DÁKITI 13.72(+1.83) +
-(-) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 5.76(+0.58)
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Post by degen on Dec 1, 2020 13:27:54 GMT -5
Fun to watch Pulse complain about a song being #1 due to chart manipulation and then advocating for chart manipulation to prevent Christmas songs from charting when they're clearly more popular. So are you saying before the Billboard Hot 100 started including Christmas music, the chart was fraudulent and manipulated? Isn’t that like 60 years of manipulated charts? Does this mean we need to go back to every Christmas from past decades and include Christmas song to get an accurate reflection of what the most popular songs were that week? That could even mean an interrupted #1 streak for songs like “One Sweet Day” and “I Will Always Love You” which ruled over the holiday season. Would they have fell off had Christmas music been counted then? That’s a scenario where Mariah probably would’ve never had 16 weeks at #1. Sorry to tell you, the answer isn’t as easy as it seems. Both sides of the argument have valid points. The fact that Billboard can randomly alter their rules whenever they want has really been problematic in this process. Y’all are talking about in 10 years how many weeks will AIWFCIY have at #1, but who the hell knows what random new rule Billboard will impose to alter this process. Maybe they will introduce a recurrent rule? Or do away with Christmas songs once again. There’s just no telling what this problematic chart will do next, and while it’s all based on “public consumption,” the public has no say in how the metrics are compiled. |
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Post by Naos on Dec 1, 2020 13:55:06 GMT -5
So how far do we see "Life Goes On" falling?
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Post by gabe on Dec 1, 2020 14:05:58 GMT -5
So how far do we see "Life Goes On" falling? Hopefully off the chart to give Gary another bone to pick |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 1, 2020 14:11:47 GMT -5
Fun to watch Pulse complain about a song being #1 due to chart manipulation and then advocating for chart manipulation to prevent Christmas songs from charting when they're clearly more popular. So are you saying before the Billboard Hot 100 started including Christmas music, the chart was fraudulent and manipulated? Isn’t that like 60 years of manipulated charts? Does this mean we need to go back to every Christmas from past decades and include Christmas song to get an accurate reflection of what the most popular songs were that week? That could even mean an interrupted #1 streak for songs like “One Sweet Day” and “I Will Always Love You” which ruled over the holiday season. Would they have fell off had Christmas music been counted then? That’s a scenario where Mariah probably would’ve never had 16 weeks at #1. Sorry to tell you, the answer isn’t as easy as it seems. Both sides of the argument have valid points. The fact that Billboard can randomly alter their rules whenever they want has really been problematic in this process. Y’all are talking about in 10 years how many weeks will AIWFCIY have at #1, but who the hell knows what random new rule Billboard will impose to alter this process. Maybe they will introduce a recurrent rule? Or do away with Christmas songs once again. There’s just no telling what this problematic chart will do next, and while it’s all based on “public consumption,” the public has no say in how the metrics are compiled. We could also see another change in trends. Holiday music mostly does well because of streaming. At some point maybe that will change. It should be noted that if Billboard gives less weight to radio/sales and limits the amount of sales that count, that will help holiday songs even more. |
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Post by jamatthews83 on Dec 1, 2020 14:24:24 GMT -5
Fun to watch Pulse complain about a song being #1 due to chart manipulation and then advocating for chart manipulation to prevent Christmas songs from charting when they're clearly more popular. So are you saying before the Billboard Hot 100 started including Christmas music, the chart was fraudulent and manipulated? At literally no point does my post say that? What a bizarre rant. |
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Post by degen on Dec 1, 2020 14:36:50 GMT -5
So are you saying before the Billboard Hot 100 started including Christmas music, the chart was fraudulent and manipulated? At literally no point does my post say that? What a bizarre rant. Not as bizarre as acting like Christmas music has only been around since the Hot 100 started counting it a few years ago. |
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Post by jamatthews83 on Dec 1, 2020 14:38:22 GMT -5
At literally no point does my post say that? What a bizarre rant. Not as bizarre as acting like Christmas music has only been around since the Hot 100 started counting it a few years ago. And who is doing that? |
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Post by Choco on Dec 1, 2020 14:39:31 GMT -5
Some people really do get caught up in the stupidest arguments.
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Post by degen on Dec 1, 2020 14:40:55 GMT -5
Not as bizarre as acting like Christmas music has only been around since the Hot 100 started counting it a few years ago. And who is doing that? Well I mean you pretty much did just that. Why has Billboard been allowed to ignore Christmas music for decades but now it’s “chart manipulation” if they ignored it? I swear sometimes you chart snobs think you know it all. You can’t fathom another perspective. Most of you here are only here to look out for your favorite pop diva anyway, so your perspectives are blinded by bias. |
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Post by wavey. on Dec 1, 2020 14:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Dec 1, 2020 14:56:29 GMT -5
I’m starting to think some people here enjoy drama
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 1, 2020 15:09:08 GMT -5
I’m starting to think some people here enjoy drama Gurl Welcome to Pulse! |
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 1, 2020 15:25:00 GMT -5
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 1, 2020 15:31:56 GMT -5
Why the talk of wanting to discontinue website sales, when it was digital sales that overwhelmingly powered the sales of "Life Goes On"? In any event, these are clear, legal transactions0 if people in the BTS Army want to help out other fans who may be cash-strapped, what's wrong wit that? It is the season of giving, after all.  "You get a BTS song. You get a BTS song. Everybody gets a BTS song." |
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Post by Naos on Dec 1, 2020 15:34:08 GMT -5
I want BTS to make a Christmas song so we can intensify the salt.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 1, 2020 16:13:54 GMT -5
#1 on iTunes means like 8 people bought the song, right? Trey Lewis probably shopped it around his immediate family. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Dec 1, 2020 16:14:42 GMT -5
So how far do we see "Life Goes On" falling? well it was reportly to fall to 31, chartdata said but they probably just enraged the stans so I'm expecting mid 20s |
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Post by Naos on Dec 1, 2020 18:39:18 GMT -5
#1 on iTunes means like 8 people bought the song, right? Trey Lewis probably shopped it around his immediate family. Well, the current digital #1 on Billboard sold over 120,000. And that song that is #1 on iTunes right now is selling a lot more than #2. |
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Post by andrebra on Dec 1, 2020 19:00:22 GMT -5
#1 on iTunes means like 8 people bought the song, right? Trey Lewis probably shopped it around his immediate family. it's also at #25 on Apple Music wtf lol |
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Post by jodakyellow on Dec 1, 2020 19:10:57 GMT -5
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Post by forg on Dec 1, 2020 19:43:24 GMT -5
I want BTS to make a Christmas song so we can intensify the salt. I want a Rockin Around The Christmas remix featuring them so we could give Brenda Lee her #1! |
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Post by nak on Dec 1, 2020 20:34:24 GMT -5
I want BTS to make a Christmas song so we can intensify the salt. I want a Rockin Around The Christmas remix featuring them so we could give Brenda Lee her #1! This is your brain on meth. Any questions? |
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Post by Naos on Dec 1, 2020 21:10:58 GMT -5
#1 on iTunes means like 8 people bought the song, right? Trey Lewis probably shopped it around his immediate family. it's also at #25 on Apple Music wtf lol It's a song popularized on TikTok. |
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Post by higilo on Dec 1, 2020 22:10:13 GMT -5
Yeah that Trey Lewis song has been viral on tiktok for at least a couple weeks, could be huge. It's a country song that most people seem to like, even if they don't normally like country. Not to mention the massive meme factor the song boasts
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