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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Feb 5, 2021 5:24:54 GMT -5
Gonna be one of the closest weeks for number one in a while. Between Cardi B's new single, Olivia's TV debut and still rising airplay, and Abel's Superbowl Show and the Greatest Hits album, this will be one of the strongest Top 3's (possibly Top 4's) we've had in a long while
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Feb 5, 2021 5:27:26 GMT -5
Yeah, as far as main rap boys go, the only ones who truly push the envelope visually are probably Kendrick Lamar and Travis Scott. Drake has his fair share of memorable music videos too - "Hotline Bling" is already a classic, and "Nice For What" is one of my personal favorites. "The Box" and "ROCKSTAR" were pretty good as well.
But otherwise, jewelry/cars, flexing, and women as twerking decor are the go-to, unfortunately. So I understand the sentiment of the tweet.
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Post by rideordie on Feb 5, 2021 6:59:33 GMT -5
I get the sentiment of this tweet, but huh? Are male rappers meant to do choreographed dance sequences in their videos, too? And don't male rappers thoroughly dominate over female rappers when it comes to streams, sales and hits? I dig the idea behind it, but the tweet was probably best left in the head of whoever posted it. You understood the sentiment of the tweet but then proceeded to say this?? Ok..... |
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Post by bigolefreak on Feb 5, 2021 8:22:13 GMT -5
MoneyBagg Yoβs βTime Todayβ at #6 on AM currently. Good for him as it ties his Said Sum (Remix) peak so it's doing well for a follow up single. The video for it is nice as well.
Weirdly enough, on the topic of rap visuals, just as the new women are devouring every single visual aspect of their music nowadays (choreography, direction, outfits, theme/idea execution), the newer generation of male rappers are kinda stepping it up too which is great to see. DaBaby, Travis (not really new but his videos always go off), 24kGoldn are some mainstream examples.
Even in the past few weeks alone 2021 has some great male rap videos ('Throat Baby (Remix)', 'Kanye Crazy', 'Bad Boy').
It's nice to see some improvements from the women/jewellery fantasy.
But yeah the tweet is right the men kinda pale in comparison to the girls even in the new gen too. Stream #UP!
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Post by firefox on Feb 5, 2021 8:29:53 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed "Up" on my first listen. πππ€ But the song is too generic, it's like Saweetie and Doja Cat rejects (yeah, it sounds like Bestfriends). And I feel like Cardi is doing this TikTok-friendly type of songs now (no hate, though). I will still be listening to it alot.
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Post by Choco on Feb 5, 2021 8:42:19 GMT -5
Are male rappers meant to do choreographed dance sequences in their videos, too? why not? Do they get too tired from the elaborate walking and looking tough act they usually do? |
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Post by Limited Edition on Feb 5, 2021 8:52:21 GMT -5
So far there hasn't been any effect on Apple Music for Blinding Lights or Save Your Tears. I think the possible return to number one will depend entirely on the Super Bowl boost
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Post by Choco on Feb 5, 2021 8:59:17 GMT -5
Why would there be though? I don't expect people to care much about a GH set with zero new songs. It's mostly a ploy for BB200 dominance to take advantage of the older hits' boost once he does the show.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Feb 5, 2021 9:03:40 GMT -5
Honorable mention to Juice WRLD too in the music video department. "Lucid Dreams", "Robbery", and "Lean Wit Me" were all excellent videos with strong imagery and perfectly conveying the tone of their respective songs.
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Post by shayonce on Feb 5, 2021 9:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 5, 2021 9:18:32 GMT -5
Iβd get the Weekndβs collection if it were on vinyl. On streaming itβs pointless because I have the albums and playlists made already and I try to avoid unnecessary duplicates.
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Post by Choco on Feb 5, 2021 9:20:54 GMT -5
I know they are focusing on "Save Your Tears" and helping "Blinding Lights" get more records but I'm sure there were a couple of After Hours leftovers that could have made this compilation a bit more exciting.
Can't wait for his performance nonetheless! It's gonna be fun.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 5, 2021 9:22:24 GMT -5
I'm interested to see for which album/s his label chooses to count the song streams from this point forward. |
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Post by Limited Edition on Feb 5, 2021 9:22:29 GMT -5
Why would there be though? I don't expect people to care much about a GH set with zero new songs. It's mostly a ploy for BB200 dominance to take advantage of the older hits' boost once he does the show. I'm sure he was also hoping for some boost on the Hot 100 (the reason why his current hits are the first two songs on the album). So far there hasn't been any |
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Post by Choco on Feb 5, 2021 9:24:16 GMT -5
Why would there be though? I don't expect people to care much about a GH set with zero new songs. It's mostly a ploy for BB200 dominance to take advantage of the older hits' boost once he does the show. I'm sure he was also hoping for some boost on the Hot 100 (the reason why his current hits are the first two songs on the album). So far there hasn't been any The Hot 100 boost is gonna be from the show. A glorified playlist on it's own isn't gonna do much for the singles (see also: Taylor Swift dropping random playlists of evermore and folklore every couple of weeks for some reason). |
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Post by kalmanta on Feb 5, 2021 9:29:47 GMT -5
I'm interested to see for which album/s his label chooses to count the song streams from this point forward. I donβt think that decision is in the labelβs power! |
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Post by suzcruz7 on Feb 5, 2021 9:32:33 GMT -5
I get the sentiment of this tweet, but huh? Are male rappers meant to do choreographed dance sequences in their videos, too? Yes. Yes, absolutely. |
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Post by gikem on Feb 5, 2021 9:40:04 GMT -5
I mean, Usher and Chris Brown do choreo in their own videos all the time. If they can pull it off while singing, certainly there's at least one male rapper who can do it too (and no, Chris Brown rapping on occasion in his songs doesn't count).
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Post by thegreatdivine on Feb 5, 2021 9:42:25 GMT -5
Everyone saying they expect male rappers to do dance routines in their music videos obviously hasn't listened to rap music in a really long time.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 5, 2021 9:50:01 GMT -5
Choreography for male artists mostly just fell out of style a while ago...
Itβs not like you see The Weeknd, Bruno, Bieber etc even doing real choreo in their videos for the most part despite having some dance abilities on stage.
Also to be real, Hip-Hop has never been a genre where choreo was expected. Simply expecting them to do it because you see Pop singers doing it would come off a bit awkward and inauthentic for most of them. Do you see Rock artists doing choreo either during music videos or performances? Country artists?
I think choreo in general is mostly seen as for Pop appeal. I feel like it would actually turn off lots of listeners in other genres to see them attempting to pull off choreo. I doubt Lil Wayne fans are begging to see him do choreography.
It works for female rappers because they have always had to sell sex appeal to a large extent. Meanwhile the fact male rappers *donβt* do choreo is part of their packaging appeal for their music. People like the street/lowkey/laid back image with them.
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Post by jthentic on Feb 5, 2021 9:50:45 GMT -5
I get the sentiment of this tweet, but huh? Are male rappers meant to do choreographed dance sequences in their videos, too? Yes. Yes, absolutely. It's not a case for me, I'm a sucker for storytelling & supporting visuals viz. Cole, Nf, MGK... |
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Post by suzcruz7 on Feb 5, 2021 9:54:40 GMT -5
It's not a case for me, I'm a sucker for storytelling & supporting visuals viz. Cole, Nf, MGK... Y'all are right maybe not choreography then, but just effort and creativity. Women in hip hop are lapping men several times over in that regard. Which was the point of the tweet. It wasn't talking about sales/hits which are often not a good indicator of effort. |
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Post by jthentic on Feb 5, 2021 10:09:25 GMT -5
It's not a case for me, I'm a sucker for storytelling & supporting visuals viz. Cole, Nf, MGK... Y'all are right maybe not choreography then, but just effort and creativity.Β Women in hip hop are lapping men several times over in that regard.Β Which was the point of the tweet. It wasn't talking about sales/hits which are often not a good indicator of effort. Agreed π― |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Feb 5, 2021 10:11:55 GMT -5
I mean as someone with a bit of background in dancing, I always appreciate good choreography in music videos but even still, I wish male rappers would try a bit more?
Or just hire good directors like Dave Meyers
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Feb 5, 2021 10:12:51 GMT -5
I don't think the creator of the tweet was referring to choreography in particular, but as suzcruz7 mentioned, effort and creativity to create a visually compelling music video. Because let's be honest, it would look very silly to see some of the big male rappers doing elaborate choreography for their songs. It just doesn't suit their persona. There are exceptions like Drake, but most of them, like iHype. said, have a lowkey/laid back image. It's like the pop music fans who bash on male singer-songwriters like Ed Sheeran for being boring onstage. Would you want him to go full boyband-style for his next performance of "Shape Of You"? I can't even imagine how much he would be clowned online. π Anyway, female rappers are killing it right now, and they never fail to deliver exciting music videos. We also have male rappers who deliver highly unique music videos - Kendrick and Travis coming to mind. Others, not so much. But it was never a matter of choreography - that's for sure. |
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Post by fengyu on Feb 5, 2021 10:15:15 GMT -5
I'm sure he was also hoping for some boost on the Hot 100 (the reason why his current hits are the first two songs on the album). So far there hasn't been any The Hot 100 boost is gonna be from the show. A glorified playlist on it's own isn't gonna do much for the singles (see also: Taylor Swift dropping random playlists of evermore and folklore every couple of weeks for some reason). i'm very curious actually why this round she's dropping them ALL on thursday (??) for some reason whereas for the previous rounds it was clear that she dropped it on fridays to get a small boost in streaming to keep folklore at #1 |
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Post by Choco on Feb 5, 2021 10:16:03 GMT -5
I know no one here is sexist in any way or trying to be harmful, but the idea that male rappers can't do choreo (or really, much of an effort with the videos), is a little short-sighted. Just because no one is currently trying to do it doesn't mean it can't happen. Which is what the original tweet implied. Meg and Cardi have been dropping killer visuals recently. Doja is very creative with the visuals, up to the live performances. Nicki has been on autopilot recently but she has at least a handful of memorable videos too. City Girls operate on a much tighter budget but they make an effort too.
As for raw streams and sales, it's not part of the equation here. Drake can literally go #1 without even shooting a video.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Feb 5, 2021 10:24:38 GMT -5
^not that they can't do choreo, but more a matter than I can't picture some of them doing it.
But even then, "Hotline Bling", Suge", and "BOP" showed that it can definitely be done, and to great reception.
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Post by violentdreams on Feb 5, 2021 10:28:27 GMT -5
DaBaby is the only male rapper right now who I think tries to give his videos flavor and personality by showing his sense of humor. Basically everyone else in his lane does the bare minimum so they can say they've made a music video. There's no sense of unique identity most of the time, you could swap out any of the songs and it wouldn't make much of a difference.
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Post by suzcruz7 on Feb 5, 2021 10:53:23 GMT -5
That's not to say that some prominent male rappers/hip hop artists haven't made great videos. The Box, Mood, somebody already brought up Drake in general. People in this thread are right, dancing definitely isn't a requirement for an interesting video. But it can help.
Sidenote "Up" has already started to grow on me - I think it's really fun. That ending is indeed weirdly abrupt tho lol.
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