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Post by Choco on Feb 12, 2021 18:49:18 GMT -5
Morgan Wallen released an apology earlier this week. I think these "apologies" are getting old. Put your money where your mouth is. Make a big donation. Work with some organizations. Show us some growth. At least he's technically apologizing. The bare minimum, I know, but look at how Gina Carano just doubled down on her s**t and started doing some stupid film with Ben Shapiro or something like that's gonna make her Star Wars-levels of money lmao. |
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Post by lugus15 on Feb 12, 2021 18:52:17 GMT -5
They really need to get rid of these website digital sales, CD's & vinyls tactics. It's pretty evident it's being taken advantage of & mainly just works to benefit the major fanbases. Unfortunately, sales are dead and we really should just let streaming overtake at this point. Mass not buying is not an accurate reflection of actual sales. Or at least weigh sales down at this point. Mass streaming is not an accurate reflection. It's passive comsuption. Sales, speacially website ones are active consuption aka people go out of their ways to actually spend money on music. Weigh them UP. |
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Post by Choco on Feb 12, 2021 19:00:02 GMT -5
Nobody's saying get rid of sales completely. But 10k buying copies should not have more impact on the chart than 10million streams. I can safely say at least 11k of that 10 million actively searched for the track (not all streaming is passive).
If the chart is meant to gauge the most popular track, how can a small number of people buying multiple copies make a track more popular? It's just the same 10k people. You're not reaching anyone else.
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Post by lugus15 on Feb 12, 2021 19:02:12 GMT -5
Nobody's saying get rid of sales completely. But 10k buying copies should not have more impact on the chart than 10million streams. I can safely say at least 11k of that 10 million actively searched for the track (not all streaming is passive). If the chart is meant to gauge the most popular track, how can a small number of people buying multiple copies make a track more popular? It's just the same 10k people. You're not reaching anyone else. It's not about the number of people reached but the money each track makes. |
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Post by 85la on Feb 12, 2021 19:12:26 GMT -5
It's quite common for Dua's releases, they're usually slow-burners. Recent Eg: Levitating PS- I appreciate the fact that unlike many estd stars who extensively depend on their stans to make their songs into hits (evident with their huge debuts & gradual slide into obscurity), her hits are mainly due to their own merit & feel legit This is such a funny way of trying to twist it. Reality is her songs start out slow because there isn't much interest in her music, and end up sticking around thanks to extensive radio and playlisting. I think it's a valid argument, and your reasoning itself doesn't make much sense. The fact that her hits started off slow and took a while to build up only proves that they grew mostly organically on their own merits, and were bought and streamed because people were finding out about them and grew to like them. Do you think artists who have immediate splashes on the charts due to mass-fan purchasing and industry tactics is more admirable? I also wouldn't think all her streaming is due to playlisting, though I'll admit it's somewhat suspicious that radio is keeping Levitating around despite its low callout scores. Don't know what the radio callouts for her other songs were like. |
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Post by Choco on Feb 12, 2021 19:26:01 GMT -5
Playlisting only works if people don't skip the track. Streaming services will never share those metrics, but they surely keep track of how many people skip songs, which is why something like "NO" by Meghan Trainor gets only two days on Today's Top Hits.
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Post by 85la on Feb 12, 2021 19:27:18 GMT -5
Nobody's saying get rid of sales completely. But 10k buying copies should not have more impact on the chart than 10million streams. I can safely say at least 11k of that 10 million actively searched for the track (not all streaming is passive). If the chart is meant to gauge the most popular track, how can a small number of people buying multiple copies make a track more popular? It's just the same 10k people. You're not reaching anyone else. It's not about the number of people reached but the money each track makes. Yes, the chart is also based in part on how much revenue a song drives, but at some point that needs to be muted if it's the same small group of people buying multiple copies over and over again solely for the purpose of effecting an exact chart position. Also, in terms of streaming vs. sales, just because people stream a song instead of buying it doesn't mean they care about it or like it less. One can actively search out and select a song to listen to many times on streaming services in the same way they do on digital retailers, and choose to do so simply because it is MUCH, MUCH cheaper, or free. |
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 12, 2021 21:34:30 GMT -5
Playlisting only works if people don't skip the track. Streaming services will never share those metrics, but they surely keep track of how many people skip songs, which is why something like "NO" by Meghan Trainor gets only two days on Today's Top Hits. Wow the song is so forgotten and skippable you forgot which one it was! (It was "No Excuses," not "NO.") |
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Post by shaz196 on Feb 12, 2021 22:16:32 GMT -5
calling my phone looks like a smash
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Post by jodakyellow on Feb 12, 2021 22:18:32 GMT -5
Playlisting only works if people don't skip the track. Streaming services will never share those metrics, but they surely keep track of how many people skip songs, which is why something like "NO" by Meghan Trainor gets only two days on Today's Top Hits. Wow the song is so forgotten and skippable you forgot which one it was! (It was "No Excuses," not "NO.") omg I literally forgot "No Excuses" existed and when I read Choco's comment I thought "I could have sworn NO did a little better than that but I believe you" |
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Post by crazyb on Feb 12, 2021 22:44:05 GMT -5
Playlisting only works if people don't skip the track. Streaming services will never share those metrics, but they surely keep track of how many people skip songs, which is why something like "NO" by Meghan Trainor gets only two days on Today's Top Hits. I would actually love to see what songs I skipped the most lmao |
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Post by Choco on Feb 12, 2021 23:44:33 GMT -5
Sorry lol, much like the general public I've forgotten about Meghan Trainor.
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Post by nak on Feb 12, 2021 23:51:14 GMT -5
I went to my cousin's sweet 16 two years ago and Lil Tjay came out and performed for the crowd. I had no idea who he was then. I was like "why is everyone freaking out about this local rapper 💀" and now he's all famous and s**t with a top 5 hit in the UK.
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Post by nak on Feb 13, 2021 0:02:19 GMT -5
Anyone else notice Taylor says "Romeo" like "Room-e-oh" instead of "Rome-e-oh" in both versions of Love Story
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 13, 2021 4:29:26 GMT -5
The new Dua Lipa might not even chart, it's all down to the Spotify numbers.
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Post by rosalina4812 on Feb 13, 2021 4:43:58 GMT -5
I went to my cousin's sweet 16 two years ago and Lil Tjay came out and performed for the crowd. I had no idea who he was then. I was like "why is everyone freaking out about this local rapper 💀" and now he's all famous and s**t with a top 5 hit in the UK. There was this rapper who came to my local Shoprite. It was the biggest in my state. There was a whole line for his autograph. My mom and I got in line because why not. I didn't know his name, but me and my mom got a free autograph. That rapper was Kendrick Lamar. He must have liked the tomato selection there lmao. I still have the signature up in my room. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Feb 13, 2021 5:17:01 GMT -5
Playlisting only works if people don't skip the track. Streaming services will never share those metrics, but they surely keep track of how many people skip songs, which is why something like "NO" by Meghan Trainor gets only two days on Today's Top Hits. I would actually love to see what songs I skipped the most lmao Mine would probably be between "Intentions", "No Guidance", or "Go Crazy", which keep popping up on my shuffle for no reason. 😄 |
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Post by kimberly on Feb 13, 2021 5:49:38 GMT -5
I would actually love to see what songs I skipped the most lmao Mine would probably be between "Intentions", "No Guidance", or "Go Crazy", which keep popping up on my shuffle for no reason. 😄 Spotify Autoplay won't quit trying to play "Baby" by Madison Beer and "Baby I'm Jealous" by Bebe Rexha for me even though I skip 99% of the time. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 13, 2021 10:04:25 GMT -5
^I guess their AI isn't that intelligent, then.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Feb 13, 2021 10:19:28 GMT -5
Calling My Phone is so boring, how is this going viral
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Post by nak on Feb 13, 2021 10:51:04 GMT -5
I went to my cousin's sweet 16 two years ago and Lil Tjay came out and performed for the crowd. I had no idea who he was then. I was like "why is everyone freaking out about this local rapper 💀" and now he's all famous and s**t with a top 5 hit in the UK. There was this rapper who came to my local Shoprite. It was the biggest in my state. There was a whole line for his autograph. My mom and I got in line because why not. I didn't know his name, but me and my mom got a free autograph. That rapper was Kendrick Lamar. He must have liked the tomato selection there lmao. I still have the signature up in my room. Holy shit! |
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Post by nickd on Feb 13, 2021 12:20:35 GMT -5
Taylor got a Superbowl sized boost on Spotify today (+16-17m compared to a few days ago). I wonder how much of that will go towards Love Story re-entering and how much will go to boosting her Evermore songs.
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 13, 2021 12:54:47 GMT -5
Calling My Phone has 6.2 million listens on Spotify, but the official country specific data is not out yet. Interesting.
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Post by Limited Edition on Feb 13, 2021 13:03:35 GMT -5
Calling My Phone has 6.2 million listens on Spotify, but the official country specific data is not out yet. Interesting. At least half of those have to be from US. Rappers do much better in US. Even more so when it's an unknown rapper like Lil Tjay |
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Post by nickd on Feb 13, 2021 13:16:07 GMT -5
Lover Story (Taylor's Version) over 7.5m on the Spotify counter. Over 8.5m with all versions combined.  |
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Post by TakeMe on Feb 13, 2021 13:23:57 GMT -5
It's quite common for Dua's releases, they're usually slow-burners. Recent Eg: Levitating PS- I appreciate the fact that unlike many estd stars who extensively depend on their stans to make their songs into hits (evident with their huge debuts & gradual slide into obscurity), her hits are mainly due to their own merit & feel legit This is such a funny way of trying to twist it. Reality is her songs start out slow because there isn't much interest in her music, and end up sticking around thanks to extensive radio and playlisting. THIS! She gives me plant vibes. |
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Post by Angel on Feb 13, 2021 14:03:43 GMT -5
Lover Story (Taylor's Version) over 7.5m on the Spotify counter. Over 8.5m with all versions combined. I know it's probably a stretch but I'm crossing my fingers this goes at least top 3  |
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Post by iHype. on Feb 13, 2021 14:31:11 GMT -5
US Spotify:
1. Love Story - 2,983,511
2. Calling My Phone - 1,860,203
10. We're Good - 695,072
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Post by nak on Feb 13, 2021 14:33:33 GMT -5
Oh shit Love Story to #1
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 13, 2021 14:34:15 GMT -5
HUGE for Taylor! Lil Tjay did actually comparably better in the UK (almost 700k)
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