Billboard Hot 100: 05/08/2021

[jenglisbe]

Apr 24, 2021 8:40:41 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Leave Me Alone wasn't on original LP/cassette versions of Bad, btw. Not big deal but relevant to the topic.

It wasn't a #1 in the U.S. so I'm not sure how it's relevant.

[dovahduck]

Apr 24, 2021 8:47:23 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Apr 24, 2021 8:44:12 GMT -5 WolfSpear said:

What is the most recent album to spawn 3 #1’s, remix or not?

I would have said Post Malone but it doesn’t appear that way.

Hollywood’s Bleeding was close, it could’ve had 4 number 1s but Wow. and Goodbyes both peaked at 2.

Edit: To answer your question, the only one I can think of recently is Scorpion with God’s Plan, Nice for What and In My Feelings.

Shout out to 'Beerbongs & Bentleys' which could have had a third number one if they gave "Better Now" a proper music video when it was peaking on radio!

[Gary]

It is not up to date but I have a thread for this

pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/177722/most-1s-album

[iHype.]

Apr 23, 2021 22:54:15 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 23, 2021 22:04:37 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Speaking of Teenage Dream era, I wonder why Billboard kept continuing to count Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad as having 3 #1's, and Usher's Confessions as having 4 #1's when they then decided "Part of Me" wouldn't count as the album's 6th #1 single due to being a re-release single.

"Disturbia" and "My Boo" were never on the original versions of their albums. Billboard continued to count them as #1's for the album years after they didn't count "Part of Me". Had they gone by that precedent set, Katy would also have an album that had #1's in 3 separate years (as well as the single album with most number ones).

That's probably one of the few times I'd argue politics/personal agendas dictated their decision making....

They perhaps realized after the fact that their policy was lame and changed it moving forward.

I actually agree with re-releases counting separately, but they specifically waited until MJ's record was about to be broke to decide so, and then they were hypocritical by continuing to count re-release #1's from other albums afterwards. It was a rule only created with a specific agenda in mind. 

Billboard was still saying "Confessions" had 4 number ones even in 2016:

Confessions also generated four No. 1s on the Hot 100: "Yeah!," "Burn," "Confessions Part II" and "My Boo." His clout only grew with his early mentoring of Justin Bieber and a joint venture with his manager, Scooter Braun.

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7333036/rewinding-the-charts-in-2004-usher-got-intimate-ruled-the-charts

If "Part of Me" was also maybe the third or fourth #1 including the original album, and not sixth #1, aka setting a record, I don't think Billboard probably would've never even decided to count it separately either.

[Gary]

The MJ v Katy Perry thing wasn't a policy change

5 number ones from one album "over one release" was always true.

The only difference was inserting those three little words into their writeups

[Mayman]

Apr 24, 2021 8:18:47 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

Apr 24, 2021 8:16:20 GMT -5 goldentakes said:

On a separate note, Did anyone see the radio updates today? What happened and how will this effect the hot 100?

I wonder the effect it will have on points, considering that the chart is already as weak as it is.

I don't think this will effect Billboard charts, unless they do a recalibration for their radio charts.

Edit: Didn't see that someone already responded, sorry!

[iHype.]

Apr 24, 2021 10:33:27 GMT -5 Gary said:

The MJ v Katy Perry thing wasn't a policy change

5 number ones from one album "over one release" was always true.

The only difference was inserting those three little words into their writeups

They've been inconsistent mentioning Teenage Dream has 5 #1's and Confessions has 4 #1's in the same exact article.

With Swift notching her third No. 1 on the Hot 100 from 1989, she now needs just two more from the album to tie the record for most leaders from a single set. But, as bright as Swift's star power is, the fact that only two albums in the Hot 100's 56-year history have yielded five No. 1s each shows how difficult the feat is. Plus, beyond Teenage Dream and Bad, only seven sets have housed four No. 1s apiece: the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack (1977-78), Whitney Houston's Whitney (1987-88), George Michael's Faith (1987-88), Paula Abdul's Forever Your Girl (1989-90), Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 (1989-91), Mariah Carey's self-titled debut album (1990-91) and Usher's Confessions (2004).

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6583024/ask-billboard-is-taylor-swifts-1989-the-next-teenage-dream

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

What does “over one release” even mean?

How were the re-releases of Confessions and Teenage Dream different? (Or other re-releases).

The fact Billboard (and Billboard followers I guess) keep holding on to this inconsistency is so ridiculous. Pick one. It’s not even the fact they changed how they present it over time to ensure Katy didn’t break a record, but that they continue to acknowledge past incidents as if they’re not the same thing.

[Gary]

What is the difference between “over one release” and “from a single set”?

[Fears in the Fire]

The “re-releases” of Teenage Dream and Confessions should both be counted as the deluxe versions that they are. Look at Shawn Mendes’s self-titled deluxe album, which came out over a year after the regular version. It’s obvious that Billboard just wants MJ to keep the record.

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[nak]

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Save Your Tears combined has 2,299,770

[Taylor.]

That's a strong debut but calling it 'huge' is a stretch. TOTC trying to get those Arianator RT's!

[fridayteenage]

nice to see 7 1 mil+ songs on Spotify. Early January there were days with 0.

[lurker2]

Apr 24, 2021 9:06:21 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

Didn't Levitating debut with bad callouts? And look at the song's longevity on streaming. That proves that callout scores mean nothing, opinions of a few thousand people shouldn't represent what millions of people want to listen.

Call outs are important because what radio listeners want and what streaming listeners want are differenr. For example, I imagine radio listeners have a higher M5 tolerance than the rest of us. And I think a solid quarter of pop radio listeners would literally die if they heard Sad! or Fefe. Overrelying on them is bad, but they're (deservedly) a big factor. Apparently they really like Go Crazy.

Them not liking Levitating just shows they lack taste, which we already lowkey knew. Or maybe DSN and BMH wore them down or something.

[renfield75]

What also complicates all this is when the version of a song that goes to number one is clearly not the most enduring/popular version overall. Rihanna's "S&M", Doja Cat's "Say So", Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo's "Savage Love", and, potentially, "Save Your Tears" were huge hits with long chart runs in their original versions, but the one-week bump they got from a remix/guest feature is what sent them to number one. That's different than, say, J. Lo's Ja Rule remixes or the Kanye version of "E.T." since those were the most popular versions throughout the chart run. It's more confusing with something like the Beyoncé version of "Perfect", since radio played the crap out of that version but then switched back to the original while it was number one.

I would say that usually though no one other than chart watchers and stans ever knew the remix versions that went to number one even existed. Lots of people know "S&M" but probably not that many know the Britney "Rihmix".

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Apr 24, 2021 7:55:25 GMT -5 goldentakes said:

People really need to stop saying "payola", because the fact of the matter is they only point out high radio when it's for artists they don't like. Save Your Tears is a hit, just stop.

User name checks out 😉

While payola does exist, and there have been many cases of songs doing well exclusively on radio despite poor callouts ("Hey Look Ma, I Made It" and "My Oh My" come to mind), the accusations almost always come targeting artists the user dislikes, and ultimately, radio deals and #1 pushes seem to be omnipresent in the industry regardless.

In my opinion, "Save Your Tears" is undeniably a hit thanks to its streaming presence alone, and that's what's probably aiding its radio performance despite lukewarm reception. As for "Go Crazy", as much as I despise Chris Brown and his continuous chart success, I have to objectively acknowledge that radio listeners were resonating with the song, and it's not the first time a tune with poor streaming numbers does well on radio because of that ("High Hopes", "Good As Hell", "Kings & Queens", "Bang!", and "ily" come to mind). These are also valid hits, despite the questionable factor of radio programmers choosing them rather than the listeners.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 24, 2021 12:08:07 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

That's a strong debut but calling it 'huge' is a stretch. TOTC trying to get those Arianator RT's!

Right. And while it's #1 on iTunes, it isn't be a margin we usually see from big releases.

[iamsorare]

Oh wow big increase for maroon 5 on Spotify.they are coming..

[iamsorare]

If chartdata says it then it's #1.

[degen]

It’s kind of weird to see the new Mediabase audience numbers. It’s going to take a minute to get used to this. A song that increases +1 million daily now would be like it increased +1.5 million before the adjustment. 100 million seems like it’s going to be the top of the ceiling now. It will be interesting to see if Leave The Door Open gets there again.

[kimberly]

can we all collectively block iamsorare

[iamsorare]

Apr 24, 2021 13:53:33 GMT -5 kimberly said:

can we all collectively block iamsorare

I'm in

[iHype.]

Apr 24, 2021 13:49:19 GMT -5 degen said:

It’s kind of weird to see the new Mediabase audience numbers. It’s going to take a minute to get used to this. A song that increases +1 million daily now would be like it increased +1.5 million before the adjustment. 100 million seems like it’s going to be the top of the ceiling now. It will be interesting to see if Leave The Door Open gets there again.

All this looks miniature compared to when #1 songs were commonly getting 200+ million, and increases of 5+ million daily lol.

[thegreatdivine]

[Normi]

Re: albums with multiple #1s

I got curious and adding to the 6 albums mentioned earlier which spawned 3 or more #1s since 2010 there are 12 albums with 2 #1s, Cardi would add a 13th if her album contains both WAP and Up

These albums are
Doo Wops & Hooligans (2010-11)
Sorry For Party Rocking (2011-12)
Unorthodox Jukebox (2012-13)
The Heist (2013)
Prism (2013-14)
Beauty Behind The Madness (2015)
÷ (2017)
Invasion Privacy (2017-18)
beerbongs & bentleys (2017-18)
thank u, next (2018-19)
Hollywood's Bleeding (2019)
After Hours (2019-20)

[thegreatdivine]

Apr 24, 2021 14:34:56 GMT -5 Normi said:

Re: albums with multiple #1s

I got curious and adding to the 6 albums mentioned earlier which spawned 3 or more #1s since 2010 there are 11 albums with 2 #1s, Cardi would add a 12th if her album contains both WAP and Up

These albums are
Doo Wops & Hooligans (2010-11)
Sorry For Party Rocking (2011-12)
Unorthodox Jukebox (2012-13)
The Heist (2013)
Prism (2013-14)
Beauty Behind The Madness (2015)
÷ (2017)
beerbongs & bentleys (2017-18)
thank u, next (2018-19)
Hollywood's Bleeding (2019)
After Hours (2019-20)

Scorpion?

[campbellssoup]

^ Cardi B’s Invasion of Privacy should be listed as well

[lurker2]

Apr 24, 2021 14:40:52 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

[
Scorpion?

That's just one's with 2, Scorpion was in a seperate post with the 3+s.