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Post by thegreatdivine on May 13, 2021 12:07:13 GMT -5
Heard a preview of good 4 u and it's (yet another song) about a boy Olivia used to date and how he has moved on to another girl and how she feels about that. Deep sigh. A pop singer writing and singing about....BOYS?!?!??!?!?! ??? I don't have an issue with her writing about boys or love or heartbreak. She's a teenage girl. Even when she becomes a grown woman, there's little else I'd expect her to write about. good 4 u will be her third consecutive song about the exact same situation, with the exact same perspective/narrative. I've listened to a lot of heartbreak albums and many of them have even gone on to be classic albums so it wouldn't be an issue if her entire album was about one particular relationship. It just gets mad repetitive when you're only writing from ONE perspective or writing through ONE narrative. Where's the song about moving on? Or loving yourself? Or I don't know, literally anything else? I hope those are on the rest of the songs we haven't heard yet but I wouldn't be surprised if the album is just more of the same. I'm only pointing it out because she's now released 3 straight songs about the exact same thing. A little variety would be nice, that's all. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 13, 2021 12:14:03 GMT -5
Hmm, I suppose I'm rooting for "Leave the Door Open" It looks like LTDO is getting a late week push in sales. That may be enough for it to pull through. Time to buy more copies of Levitating then! |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 13, 2021 12:18:06 GMT -5
A pop singer writing and singing about....BOYS?!?!??!?!?!  I don't have an issue with her writing about boys or love or heartbreak. She's a teenage girl. Even when she becomes a grown woman, there's little else I'd expect her to write about. good 4 u will be her third consecutive song about the exact same situation, with the exact same perspective/narrative. I've listened to a lot of heartbreak albums and many of them have even gone on to be classic albums so it wouldn't be an issue if her entire album was about one particular relationship. It just gets mad repetitive when you're only writing from ONE perspective or writing through ONE narrative. Where's the song about moving on? Or loving yourself? Or I don't know, literally anything else? I hope those are on the rest of the songs we haven't heard yet but I wouldn't be surprised if the album is just more of the same. I'm only pointing it out because she's now released 3 straight songs about the exact same thing. A little variety would be nice, that's all Yeah but I understand the want for variety in subject but like we never do this with other acts. It's not like when DaBaby releases a new song, we're not like "another song about being rich and banging lots of women?" or Cardi with "another song about how much she loves having sex?" Especially when it comes to pop, it's never just about subject matter alone. It's always the presentation, and Olivia has been able to make each of her three distinct and unique from each other. |
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Post by Gary on May 13, 2021 12:22:05 GMT -5
Love and relationships are a pretty common theme for pop songs dating back decades - so this is nothing new
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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2021 12:24:36 GMT -5
It's her first album, so I get it. It's what she's going through now. If she's still writing about it on album two, then maybe it's an issue. Never said it was an issue or that she couldn't do that. I've just noticed that all 3 songs follow the exact same narrative. How many times can you say the exact same thing? I mean Taylor Swift had how many songs about kissing in the rain or whatever on her first few albums? There are only so many topics out there, especially for a teenager. I think "driver's license" was a pretty unique take on the theme with the metaphor of the license and driving, so I give her credit for that. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 13, 2021 12:26:53 GMT -5
I get what divine is saying. Itβs less about the topic and more about how itβs presented. (I havenβt heard the new song yet so I canβt comment on it). I mean, Adele has written several albums about heartbreak and made it her career but she still presents different angles and thought processes one might have along the way. The same for other albums that are dubbed breakup albums. Thereβs a lot to explore and touch on in breakups so when it begins to feel repetitive from one artist and back to back singles, it is noticeable.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2021 12:37:40 GMT -5
I get what divine is saying. Itβs less about the topic and more about how itβs presented. (I havenβt heard the new song yet so I canβt comment on it). I mean, Adele has written several albums about heartbreak and made it her career but she still presents different angles and thought processes one might have along the way. The same for other albums that are dubbed breakup albums. Thereβs a lot to explore and touch on in breakups so when it begins to feel repetitive from one artist and back to back singles, it is noticeable. I haven't heard the new one either, but "dl" has a very fresh metaphor in someone being stuck and wondering how the other person has moved on. "deja vu" then takes a different angle on it with her reminiscing on what they did together and wondering if he's thinking about her. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 13, 2021 12:38:54 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with her writing about boys or love or heartbreak. She's a teenage girl. Even when she becomes a grown woman, there's little else I'd expect her to write about. good 4 u will be her third consecutive song about the exact same situation, with the exact same perspective/narrative. I've listened to a lot of heartbreak albums and many of them have even gone on to be classic albums so it wouldn't be an issue if her entire album was about one particular relationship. It just gets mad repetitive when you're only writing from ONE perspective or writing through ONE narrative. Where's the song about moving on? Or loving yourself? Or I don't know, literally anything else? I hope those are on the rest of the songs we haven't heard yet but I wouldn't be surprised if the album is just more of the same. I'm only pointing it out because she's now released 3 straight songs about the exact same thing. A little variety would be nice, that's all Yeah but I understand the want for variety in subject but like we never do this with other acts. It's not like when DaBaby releases a new song, we're not like "another song about being rich and banging lots of women?" or Cardi with "another song about how much she loves having sex?" Especially when it comes to pop, it's never just about subject matter alone. It's always the presentation, and Olivia has been able to make each of her three distinct and unique from each other. I have no problem with the production of the songs. All 3 have been distinct enough and I appreciate that but she's a new artist. Even more importantly, she has marketed herself as Taylor Swift-esque and her fanbase will dial in on her lyrics and the narratives in her songs more than anything else, just like how Taylor Swift fans did at the beginning of her career and still do today. Olivia is an excellent songwriter, especially for her age and maybe it's because we're all learning about her at the literal start of her career but your first 3 singles EVER being about the exact same thing with the same narrative? I don't know. Her label could have brought in songwriters to help her with her album. There's nothing wrong with that. I'll admit, in Olivia's case, it also doesn't help that we all know who her songs are about. I'll hold out for the album. Maybe there'll be enough variety on there narrative-wise for me to completely disregard my criticisms. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 13, 2021 12:46:38 GMT -5
Well at least we now know what's going to number one after Levitating
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 13, 2021 12:49:40 GMT -5
I get what divine is saying. Itβs less about the topic and more about how itβs presented. (I havenβt heard the new song yet so I canβt comment on it). I mean, Adele has written several albums about heartbreak and made it her career but she still presents different angles and thought processes one might have along the way. The same for other albums that are dubbed breakup albums. Thereβs a lot to explore and touch on in breakups so when it begins to feel repetitive from one artist and back to back singles, it is noticeable. One of my favorite breakup albums is Rebecca Ferguson's "Freedom." 2 songs in, you already know the general idea of what the album is about but Rebecca covers so many aspects of the relationship that you forget that it's about one particular relationship. There are songs about her loving herself, missing her ex, moving on, reminiscing about good/bad parts about the relationship, the idea of meeting someone new, trust, anger, regret, etc. It's just very hard to miss when your first 3 singles ever are quite literally about the same exact thing. All 3 songs Olivia has released thus far all cover these bases: I liked a boy. He liked me too. We dated for a bit. The relationship eventually ended. I reminisce about the good times in the relationship. I talk about his new girl and how he's doing the things we did together with her now. I mention some quality the new girl has that infers that she's better in some way. Rinse and repeat. I mean, you can use different production styles and sing in a new way but when you're basically singing about the same thing, it's quickly becomes repetitive and that becomes very noticable. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 13, 2021 12:50:10 GMT -5
Well at least we now know what's going to number one after Levitating Oh, yes! Let's go, Nicki!!! |
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 13, 2021 12:53:28 GMT -5
Never said it was an issue or that she couldn't do that. I've just noticed that all 3 songs follow the exact same narrative. How many times can you say the exact same thing? I mean Taylor Swift had how many songs about kissing in the rain or whatever on her first few albums? There are only so many topics out there, especially for a teenager. I think "driver's license" was a pretty unique take on the theme with the metaphor of the license and driving, so I give her credit for that. I also liked the metaphor she used in drivers license. deja vu was also nice but it was still very easy to see that deja vu was basically drivers license part 2, especially narrative-wise and that's my point. |
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Post by kalmanta on May 13, 2021 12:59:51 GMT -5
BeyoncΓ© didnβt have the experience both in life and in the industry to create one of the greatest journeys through grief, Lemonade at the start of her career. Olivia is basically a teen, Iβd say we have to give her some time first, then we can judge.
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Post by gikem on May 13, 2021 13:08:48 GMT -5
Well at least we now know what's going to number one after Levitating We'll have to see about that. I'm not underestimating what Nicki's stans can do on sales alone, but it's clear with her most recent singles that her streaming and radio presence just isn't there like it used to be. So unless this is the lead single to a new album, I think J. Cole and Olivia will do better simply because they have that presence. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 13, 2021 13:16:53 GMT -5
Well at least we now know what's going to number one after Levitating We'll have to see about that. I'm not underestimating what Nicki's stans can do on sales alone, but it's clear with her most recent singles that her streaming and radio presence just isn't there like it used to be. So unless this is the lead single to a new album, I think J. Cole and Olivia will do better simply because they have that presence. I think LGO and FRANCHISE has proven that even if you're not even Top 5 on streaming, if you have 100K sales (I'm exaggerating here), you're locked for number one. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 13, 2021 13:30:08 GMT -5
Nickiβs last two albums are both solid and I think sheβs actually gotten better despite declining numbers or less of the in-your-face presence she had in the early 2010s - with that said, I hope she comes back with a summer banger because I do miss that side of her and she hasnβt really revisited that side in quite a while (unless Iβm forgetting something).
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Post by Enigma. on May 13, 2021 14:01:02 GMT -5
Lil Nas X will release a new song on May 21st so no remix for Montero then (He does SNL on the following day)
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Post by Choco on May 13, 2021 14:03:19 GMT -5
Montero is old news tbh, I think what he needs right now is to solidify his album's opening with another hit.
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Post by kimberly on May 13, 2021 14:15:49 GMT -5
Nickiβs last two albums are both solid and I think sheβs actually gotten better despite declining numbers or less of the in-your-face presence she had in the early 2010s - with that said, I hope she comes back with a summer banger because I do miss that side of her and she hasnβt really revisited that side in quite a while (unless Iβm forgetting something). MEGATRON π brrratatata |
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Post by musicbuff26 on May 13, 2021 14:17:43 GMT -5
Come on Levitating!
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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2021 14:22:20 GMT -5
Sorry I'm sure it's been discussed, but is there a physical sales thing going on with "Levitating" now? That predicted sales total seems like it.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on May 13, 2021 14:23:22 GMT -5
Will the barbs finally be able to push Nicki to a solo/lead number one? We shall see
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Post by singingrulebritannia on May 13, 2021 14:24:34 GMT -5
Man, can't Laroi tank a little more so Trippie Redd can get his top 10 :(
Maybe they can just undercount his streams again lol
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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2021 14:27:48 GMT -5
Will the barbs finally be able to push Nicki to a solo/lead number one? We shall see Is it confirmed that it's a solo song? |
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Post by s9983 on May 13, 2021 14:28:41 GMT -5
Not 100% sure if barbs have what it takes to push nicki to #1, especially since she's not a big streaming force. If the song doesn't have website sales it's pretty obvious it's not going #1, but one thing is for sure... If it does and does goes #1, it'll prolly be the most fraudulent #1 ever, even moreso than BTS because at least they would have the itunes sales and more streams to back it up, whereas her single will prolly barely make top 10, or barely miss it without website sales. Billboard allowing mass buying manipulation to prove sales aren't dead is a joke.
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Post by s9983 on May 13, 2021 14:30:19 GMT -5
Sorry I'm sure it's been discussed, but is there a physical sales thing going on with "Levitating" now? That predicted sales total seems like it. Don't think so. It owns the entire top 9 on amazon so a lot of sales from there too |
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Post by iamsorare on May 13, 2021 14:31:49 GMT -5
Her last solo lead single debuted at #10 (cause of extra tidal streams) ..I don't see nicki going #1 next week
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Post by jayhawk1117 on May 13, 2021 14:36:00 GMT -5
Will the barbs finally be able to push Nicki to a solo/lead number one? We shall see Is it confirmed that it's a solo song? nah but at least it would be her as the lead. But about the fraudulent thing. Isn't that sorta what happened with Chun LI or something like that? It was predicted by EVERYONE to debut outside of the top 15 but then it debuted at 10 because of Tidal streams or something? The charts are pretty weak rn, 300 points ain't alot to get for a lead single from someone this big I feel. Her streaming do be weak though so it's anyone's guess. |
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Post by gikem on May 13, 2021 14:36:55 GMT -5
Given the recent news from the CDC mostly ending their mask mandate for vaccinated people, I think Mask Off by Future has a good chance of re-entering the week of 5/29.
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 13, 2021 14:54:18 GMT -5
Her last solo lead single debuted at #10 (cause of extra tidal streams) ..I don't see nicki going #1 next week If you're referring to Chun-Li, it debuted at #92 and then rose to #10 the following week off of suspicious, magical Tidal streams because I still remember that for that tracking week, no chart predictor had it reaching the top 10 or anywhere close to it. |
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I don't have an issue with her writing about boys or love or heartbreak. She's a teenage girl. Even when she becomes a grown woman, there's little else I'd expect her to write about. 
