Billboard Hot 100: 06/05/2021

[kiddo1994]

BTS' impact is contained within KPop and Stan World
so I'll say Olivia

[mgkjn11]

BTS impact is bigger in Asia. But Olivia takes the cake hands down in the West especially in America. It’s not even close lol Olivia has the top nine spots on Spotify by herself. She has to actually make good music to do well on the charts unlike BTS which can put literally any kind of English song out and it will automatically go number 1 on Billboard. Outside of the BTS Army I’d say their cultural impact is overstated

[meg]

May 22, 2021 15:28:54 GMT -5 kiddo1994 said:

BTS' impact is contained within KPop and Stan World
so I'll say Olivia

Sure. Dynamite was played everywhere. In Idol final just 2 weeks ago contestant were singing it. They still playing it during games in US. Absolutely everyone knows this song. Now Butter got 11M streams and they are only known in "kpop stan world"? The fact that you all think that Olivia is just the perfect example of organic artist is just so naive. She showed out of nowhere and right away her face has been plastered on every playlist everywhere, even in asian countries where her streams are not existent. That hype on tiktok was created by her label and also all that drama with love triangle? Sure that wasn't planned at all. You can pretend all you want but at least BTS buld their fandom from the ground first without help on the industry and never tried to be Taylor Swift wannabe.
She is better in streams, sure. But if Butter had full tracking week period it would overstream her but the difference is only 1M. Butter will have decend spotify streams, amazing sales, great youtube views and really good radio spins. So why are we talking about chart manipulation here?
And don't come for me for saying all that about Olivia, because I was holding quiet for long. But the double standards I see today and your clear hate towards BTS make me realize I don't need to be so nice about mediocre pop girl singing about a guy who left her over and over again. 

Also really interesting article came out yesterday. This part really fit right here.


You don't need to worry. I'm not second popcentour or whatever her name was. This is one time thing.

[Youknowit]

May 22, 2021 12:06:27 GMT -5 Lukas said:

May 22, 2021 8:14:53 GMT -5 Youknowit said:

We really need to start reading TOTC with a grain of salt.

Have you maybe considered that they are actually considering complex rules such as them not allowing songs to re-enter such as with Holy, Lonely, and even Popstar? No one knows what’s going to happen really because Billboard is inconsistent in itself but still.

I know you haven’t though because you’re just a mindless, jobless fad.

LOL I did not know you were on this board. I should have worded that better. I don’t mean to discredit the hard work you (+ your team?) does, but after last week I’m going to have to take any “predictions” with a grain of salt. Just my opinion.

Love the new sight tho!

[chanman]

What a close race yesterday globally.. but not in the US.

Spotify Global
Butter #1 12,925,000
Good 4u #2 12,192,000

Spotify US
Good 4u #1 4,974,000
Butter #8 2,195,000

[kalmanta]

ngl, the calculated relationship and breakup with Joshua Basset with the intended lyrics in her songs made me question a bit if she really rose organically. Add his recent coming out and her next single being called Good For U......
At the end I think nobody in popular music ended up there without help from their labels / managers / people in charge.

[Lukas]

May 22, 2021 16:00:51 GMT -5 Youknowit said:

May 22, 2021 12:06:27 GMT -5 Lukas said:

Have you maybe considered that they are actually considering complex rules such as them not allowing songs to re-enter such as with Holy, Lonely, and even Popstar? No one knows what’s going to happen really because Billboard is inconsistent in itself but still.

I know you haven’t though because you’re just a mindless, jobless fad.

LOL I did not know you were on this board. I should have worded that better. I don’t mean to discredit the hard work you (+ your team?) does, but after last week I’m going to have to take any “predictions” with a grain of salt. Just my opinion.

Love the new sight tho!

No predictions are even close to guaranteed anyways especially with the weird shit Billboard has been doing the past few weeks (last week the total combination of the radio recal & the insane filtering in sales was the only reason Levitating didn't go #1). It's up to you how many predictions you want to trust, but if you don't care for it then don't speak on it.

[meg]

May 22, 2021 16:24:56 GMT -5 kalmanta said:

ngl, the calculated relationship and breakup with Joshua Basset with the intended lyrics in her songs made me question a bit if she really rose organically. Add his recent coming out and her next single being called Good For U......
At the end I think nobody in popular music ended up there without help from their labels / managers / people in charge.

BTS label was close to bankruptcy. All of them slept together in one tiny room for years. They were blocked by big agencies, their performances were cut because they were from small agency, no media wrote about them. They were recording their albums in tiny, dirty garage. They had their managers act in music videos because they didn't had money for real actors and used their managers cars. The ceo of the company took a loan and took mortage on his house because they were close to disbandement. I could go and on about this for hours. Their build Hybe from zero to be this empire that it is today. This is real organic success. Not some fake love triangles dramas, religious controversies or blatant payola.
To be 100% honest, Olivia is paying from her pockets for her success. Where do you think that money for all that promotions coming from? All that playlisting? They will take it from her check.

[Mathgeek]

Why even compare which of these artist is having greater impact? Both are having a moment and this is still going to be an incredible week in music where 2 artists of Asian descent are going to more than likely top both charts.

Say what you want about sales, streams or whatever but what both are doing is pretty incredible

[kiddo1994]

I'm guessing 20M+ unfiltered streams for BUTTER if that 14M in 14hrs was real

[kiddo1994]

May 22, 2021 17:02:05 GMT -5 kiddo1994 said:

I'm guessing 20M+ unfiltered streams for BUTTER if that 14M in 14hrs was real

also, i read BTS stans saying filtering spam streams aint real and that it's about time zones and based on per country charts or something.. 
time to bring this back again

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

May 22, 2021 16:24:56 GMT -5 kalmanta said:

ngl, the calculated relationship and breakup with Joshua Basset with the intended lyrics in her songs made me question a bit if she really rose organically. Add his recent coming out and her next single being called Good For U......
At the end I think nobody in popular music ended up there without help from their labels / managers / people in charge.

well...i don’t think the relationship was calculated. Sure, it upped the promo, but isn’t the main reason why the song did so well. Bassett didn’t even come out, he basically said “leave me tf alone and let me figure it out without speculation” (🥺🙏🏻) and “good 4 u” is a total ‘fuck you’ kind of song. I think your entire comment is one big unsubstantiated stretch.

Also - Nobody ends up popular without management / A&R? NO SHIT!!!!! Why is this criteria against organic success? If organic success means rising in popularity without labels/promo/anything, then pretty much NO ONE has ever become popular “organically”.

[lucidruid]

May 22, 2021 16:24:56 GMT -5 kalmanta said:

ngl, the calculated relationship and breakup with Joshua Basset with the intended lyrics in her songs made me question a bit if she really rose organically. Add his recent coming out and her next single being called Good For U......
At the end I think nobody in popular music ended up there without help from their labels / managers / people in charge.

haven’t really thought about this, but i could see something like this happening. i’m still a bit surprised at how Olivia has stormed into the industry. not that i think that absolutely everything she’s achieved was by some weird, invisible push, it’s obvious the girl is resonating with the public.

but it is almost miraculous how she not only blew up, but had one of the best management teams i’ve seen for a pop star - her entire rollout has been damn near perfect, she’s been getting amazing playlisting (i was going through the playlists today and she was almost on the cover of every single one! that is huge considering other big releases today; she even got a non-single track in many playlists). you don’t get that kind of team and support in 3 months, i feel like. unless she just lucked out in timing, tiktok, team, relationship drama (and the following releases from the people in question), Swifties’ support - everything. it just looks too perfect.

amazing if it’s genuinely purely organic. truly amazing. not that i really care tbh, she’s doing great and if it’s partly due to some great master plan, i don’t mind it.

[Choco]

May 22, 2021 16:39:00 GMT -5 Mathgeek said:

Why even compare which of these artist is having greater impact?

That's literally the point of compiling a chart that measures popularity.

_{I'm probably just gonna stay clear of this week's thread.}

[kiddo1994]

May 21, 2021 22:27:25 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

May 21, 2021 22:10:05 GMT -5 forg said:

I was disappointed Versace on the Floor didn't click in the US but at least it made top 40!

Versace was such a big hit here in my country way before it became an official single!

Anyway, excited to see how Olivia Rodrigo is performing so far!

Yeah it was huge in the Philippines (and the remix in Belgium), I wish it was able to experience the worldwide success it deserved (from a quality standpoint).

VOTF was an instant SMASH in the Philippines.. crazy how the song was everywhere, Radio, TV Shows, Malls, Public places, etc even before official single release.. 
you can't last a day without hearing it.. but then again we stan Bruno Mars hard here

[mgkjn11]

Also why do BTS stans and Army care so much about how popular they are in the United States. It doesn’t really make sense since they’re not American acts. It’s like Americans worrying about if the NFL is the biggest sport in Europe but just glossing over their impact in America and vice versa with the Europeans worrying if soccer is the biggest sport in the United States. I doubt they’ll ever be as big as American acts here in the US (Post Malone, Drake, Grande, Swift, even Olivia now) but there is no doubt they’re the biggest things to ever come out of Asia/Japan

[mgkjn11]

My bad I forgot that BTS was from Korea not Japan

[Push The Button]

I assumed that my total ignorance related to BTS was because I am in my mid-30s and had reached the point where I stopped “getting” most of the new Pop acts who emerge. That was until I realized that when I used their name as an example in one of my eighth grade classes only a handful of those kids knew who they were. The rest were clueless.

So I guess I’m not totally out of the loop yet.

[shayonce]

Spotify Global
(RE) Life Goes On by BTS 1,964,614
Butter (Instrumental) by BTS 1,883,004
(RE) Film out by BTS 1,358,482
(RE) Boy With Luv (feat. Halsey) by BTS 1,150,804
(RE) Telepathy by BTS 929,584

Spotify US
(RE) Dynamite by BTS 439,143
Butter (Instrumental) by BTS 278,673
(RE) Life Goes On by BTS 243,374

all those re entry for old songs and instrumental.. lol
You can see their massive fanbase and their dedication for chart.

[sapphire]

Huge numbers for Olivia! I'm excited to see the streams for the next days to really know the popularity of each song. I assume the first days are still almost based on the order in the album.

Not surprised about BTS old songs and instrumentals re-entering because they are supposed to stream songs in between streaming the new song to not be tagged bot or something. Atleast that's what my Army friends are doing according to them.

[forg]

Great for Olivia!

BTS fandom in the US have grown really compared to when they first started, they are still very successful. US is not an easy market to crack, I mean even British acts that are popular elsewhere in the world struggled in the US (Westlife comes to mind), so what BTS have done is really impressive. I used to be skeptical too but Dynamite is a legit hit that likely broadened their fanbase too.

[degen]

Wait so there’s a possibility that BTS won’t debut at #1 on the Hot 100? Cuz y’all been hyping this shit up for weeks like it was an absolute guarantee.

[garrettlen]

Olivia will get the #1 debut the week of 5/29/2021.

BTS will get the #1 debut the week of 6/05/2021.


There, now everybody can stop arguing about it.

[garrettlen]

May 22, 2021 19:52:57 GMT -5 degen said:

Wait so there’s a possibility that BTS won’t debut at #1 on the Hot 100? Cuz y’all been hyping this s**t up for weeks like it was an absolute guarantee.

I think that there's almost no chance that they won't.

[gikem]

May 22, 2021 19:52:57 GMT -5 degen said:

Wait so there’s a possibility that BTS won’t debut at #1 on the Hot 100? Cuz y’all been hyping this s**t up for weeks like it was an absolute guarantee.

I mean, I still think it'll happen, but the margin will be closer than I was first anticipating, at least before I knew how strong Good 4 U would get.

[garrettlen]

May 22, 2021 17:51:08 GMT -5 mgkjn11 said:

Also why do BTS stans and Army care so much about how popular they are in the United States. It doesn’t really make sense since they’re not American acts. It’s like Americans worrying about if the NFL is the biggest sport in Europe but just glossing over their impact in America and vice versa with the Europeans worrying if soccer is the biggest sport in the United States. I doubt they’ll ever be as big as American acts here in the US (Post Malone, Drake, Grande, Swift, even Olivia now) but there is no doubt they’re the biggest things to ever come out of Asia/Japan

Why did the Beatles care whether or not they had a hit in the US?   Because then, like now, it was the biggest music market in the world (by far), and to have a #1 hit in the US was a major achievement for any artist, but especially for a non-American one.

And personally, I think we'll have to wait a few more years and album cycles before we can add Olivia to that list of the biggest superstars in music; she had her first big hit just a few months ago, we'll have to wait and see if she can remain a force for the long run.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^I agree on the latter point. Some artists have done very well with their first album only to never come close to replicating that success. I am also going to take the wait and see approach.

[leoapp]

With Olivia, Bruno and BTS on top 10 this week, when was the last time we had at least 3 Asian origin/descendent artists inside top 10, as LEAD ARTISTS?
Has it ever happened?

[pokepikalem]

May 22, 2021 20:09:02 GMT -5 gikem said:

May 22, 2021 19:52:57 GMT -5 degen said:

Wait so there’s a possibility that BTS won’t debut at #1 on the Hot 100? Cuz y’all been hyping this s**t up for weeks like it was an absolute guarantee.

I mean, I still think it'll happen, but the margin will be closer than I was first anticipating, at least before I knew how strong Good 4 U would get.

According to TOTC it will be close. Tho I don’t understand why they said that when Butter has YouTube, sales and radio. So streaming will be close/g4u having an edge due to AM but Sales = more points.

[s9983]

Butter isn't a bad song and their US popularity rise over the years is definitely amazing, but let's not lie to ourselves here. If website sales were banned they would NOT go #1. Allowing the same set of fans to buy 50+ copies EACH is the most ridiculous and broken billboard flaw ever. In an effort to prove that sales really aren't dead they're allowing some of the most blatant fraud seen in the last few years. It is NOT an accurate representation of music consumption from the audience and that's the whole point of the billboard charts