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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Jun 1, 2021 12:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by korbel16 on Jun 1, 2021 12:33:50 GMT -5
Ugh if only butter was released a week later
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Post by Henry Suárez on Jun 1, 2021 12:35:48 GMT -5
Crazy BTS tied Maroon 5 in #1s now . Maroon 5 #1s: Makes Me Wonder,Moves Like Jagger,One More Night,and Girls Like You. In 2 years the BoTS will tie The Supremes (if they keep getting 4 #1's per year) and by 2025 they will pass Mariah and The Beatles. What? I like some of BTS songs but this sounds so wrong, they will pass Rihanna, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Supremes, Mariah, The Beatles??? That's crazy. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 1, 2021 12:35:51 GMT -5
But for real, as much as I don't like the tactics that BTS fans use to get their songs to the top of the charts, there's nothing illegal about it (at least, according to Billboard and Nielsen) so maybe just let them be? They've found a formula that works for them to score #1 debuts on the Hot 100 and as long as no new rules are introduced by Billboard regarding mass buying/pure sales, they'll keep racking up high debuts and that's just it. We really can't keep having the chart thread of any week where they release a single go to sh*t simply because they scored yet another #1 debut. It is what it is. Let's all just move on. I just can't. Sorry. I've been following the Billboard since 2010, because I want to see which songs are the biggest that week, not to know which fanbase is the richest. We just have to accept that sometimes, what feels like the biggest song of the week does not end up as being #1 on the Billboard chart. Some good examples of this was One More Night vs. Gangnam Style and Harlem Shake vs. Thrift Shop. It does happen from time to time. It's no different than in sports when sometimes the best team during a particular year does not end up being the Champion. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 1, 2021 12:36:02 GMT -5
what's the difference between what BTS did and what Taylor did for Me! or Gaga bundling jockstraps or Lil Nas with the remixes? It's the chart game.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 1, 2021 12:37:59 GMT -5
I just can't. Sorry. I've been following the Billboard since 2010, because I want to see which songs are the biggest that week, not to know which fanbase is the richest. We just have to accept that sometimes, what feels like the biggest song of the week does not end up as being #1 on the Billboard chart. Some good examples of this was One More Night vs. Gangnam Style and Harlem Shake vs. Thrift Shop. It does happen from time to time. It's no different than in sports when sometimes the best team during a particular year does not end up being the Champion. That's not how sports works but I get your point |
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Post by lazer on Jun 1, 2021 12:38:56 GMT -5
I'll be honest, at least this chart is not like the 90s. I would've quit chart watching that time.
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Post by sergf13 on Jun 1, 2021 12:39:38 GMT -5
In 2 years the BoTS will tie The Supremes (if they keep getting 4 #1's per year) and by 2025 they will pass Mariah and The Beatles. What? I like some of BTS songs but this sounds so wrong, they will pass Rihanna, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Supremes, Mariah, The Beatles??? That's crazy. If they continue at their current pace, then yes it is possible. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jun 1, 2021 12:39:43 GMT -5
Drake scores top 10 hits in his sleep. Why would I be worried that a song failed to debut at #1 or rise to #1? He puts out so much music that if he misses that spot in one instance, he can always get it another time when the charts are more favorable lol. Also, I've spoken out many times about how true chart success in the streaming era is measured by a song/album's longevity (especially in the top 10) and not where it debuts, so... In addition to that, too much emphasis is put on the song's peak, which does represent what it did that week, does not reflect its success in the long run. |
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Post by kalmanta on Jun 1, 2021 12:41:10 GMT -5
So she tied Post with 9 top 20 songs from one album. #1 is obviously Drake in 2018, what album bombs am I forgetting?
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Post by chartfreak on Jun 1, 2021 12:42:58 GMT -5
some of you really mad at like 50,000 BTS fans. lol
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 1, 2021 12:44:41 GMT -5
I'll be honest, at least this chart is not like the 90s. I would've quit chart watching that time. That's when I started chart watching, rip. |
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Post by gikem on Jun 1, 2021 12:45:34 GMT -5
I'll be honest, at least this chart is not like the 90s. I would've quit chart watching that time. I would’ve watched Canada’s RPM charts in addition to the Hot 100. I discovered those recently while I was on a ‘90s alternative kick (thanks, Olivia), and they allowed those airplay-only singles to chart there, with several going to #1. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 1, 2021 12:47:23 GMT -5
Drake scores top 10 hits in his sleep. Why would I be worried that a song failed to debut at #1 or rise to #1? He puts out so much music that if he misses that spot in one instance, he can always get it another time when the charts are more favorable lol. Also, I've spoken out many times about how true chart success in the streaming era is measured by a song/album's longevity (especially in the top 10) and not where it debuts, so... In addition to that, too much emphasis is put on the song's peak, which does represent what it did that week, does not reflect its success in the long run. Exactly. Quick example: Toosie Slide got the #1 debut/peak. Laugh Now Cry Later never did but it spent almost twice as many weeks in the top 10 and is a way bigger hit lol. I've said it many times that we focus too much on the first-week performance of songs and albums. Sure, they're great and they tell you a lot but they don't always paint the whole picture of the success of the release. Remember the many #1 debuts last year that are an afterthought today because they vanished the following week? It's all the same. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 1, 2021 12:51:26 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have enjoyed the unpredictability of the #1 races over the past few months. LTDO vs. Montero, Rapstar vs. LTDO, SYT vs. LTDO vs. Peaches, LTDO vs. Levitating, Good 4 u vs. my life, and now Butter vs. Good 4 u (hopefully for several weeks). Long-running #1's can be great at times, but chart watching can get kind of boring when you already know the #1 is a forgone conclusion going into the week.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 1, 2021 12:51:55 GMT -5
So she tied Post with 9 top 20 songs from one album. #1 is obviously Drake in 2018, what album bombs am I forgetting? No. 2, "Come & Go," with Marshmello No. 5, "Wishing Well" No. 7, "Conversations" No. 9, "Life's a Mess," with Halsey (new peak; up from No. 74) No. 10, "Hate the Other Side," with Marshmello, feat. Polo G & The Kid LAROI No. 12, "Blood on My Jeans" No. 14, "Titanic" No. 15, "Righteous" (re-entry; peaked at No. 11 in May) No. 16, "Bad Energy" |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 1, 2021 12:55:00 GMT -5
Personally, I don’t doubt that Butter is the biggest song of the week. It was a competitive week and even if their fans manipulated the charts, it was still a hyped track that a lot of people checked out.
However, having Savage Love count as a number one is still bullshit to me. Maybe I’m remembering wrong but I seem to remember that week there being some uncertainty that the BTS remix achieved more points than the original, hence the credit. Did their credit remain after that single week? (I remember the same question coming up for Beyoncé’s credit on Perfect also, after that first week, yet she remained).
Maybe I’m just tunneling on the added credit to pop radio just before they hit number one even though most stations stayed with the original. (I never actually heard the remix, on radio or anywhere).
As an aside, I think there’s more value in number of individuals rather than number of units, both in sales and streaming. I’d be curious to see those numbers week after week to determine popularity and consumption. Which is more popular: a million people streaming a song 5 times in a single week or 50,000 people streaming a song 100 times in a week? My understanding of the current rules says they’re both equal.
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Post by Myth X on Jun 1, 2021 12:57:07 GMT -5
Ultimately, I'd argue it's more Billboard's fault for not doing anything to stop this than it is Army's fault for wanting to mass-buy their way to the top. Again, if Billboard wanted to keep their charts as accurate as possible and prevent consumers who know them as well as they do from trying to manipulate it, they'd have patched these problems long ago. They're just actively choosing not to because they're a business, and they know BTS going to #1 yet again will get them lots of publicity and thus revenue. Then again, I would expect nothing less from the company that didn't allow airplay-only singles to cross over for a solid half-decade in the '90s. They're as slow to adapt to change as the US government is. Bumping this because it bears repeating for those complaining about BTS going to #1 today. I know I've long ago accepted this would happen. You're right. If they wanted to stop the chart manipulation they would have changed the rules since last year. For example they could bring back user generated streams to count for the charts again and change the weight of sales to make it harder for them to cheat |
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Post by lazer on Jun 1, 2021 13:03:49 GMT -5
I'll be honest, at least this chart is not like the 90s. I would've quit chart watching that time. I would’ve watched Canada’s RPM charts in addition to the Hot 100. I discovered those recently while I was on a ‘90s alternative kick (thanks, Olivia), and they allowed those airplay-only singles to chart there, with several going to #1. Strangely, the RPM charts at the time didn't have big Eurodance and House songs on top of the charts. It's more accurate than the Hot 100 at the time for sure, but still has flaws. |
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Post by gikem on Jun 1, 2021 13:07:42 GMT -5
I would’ve watched Canada’s RPM charts in addition to the Hot 100. I discovered those recently while I was on a ‘90s alternative kick (thanks, Olivia), and they allowed those airplay-only singles to chart there, with several going to #1. Strangely, the RPM charts at the time didn't have big Eurodance and House songs on top of the charts. It's more accurate than the Hot 100 at the time for sure, but still has flaws. Yeah, I was wondering why the Macarena wasn’t anywhere to be found on their 1996 YE. Good to know. |
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Post by Myth X on Jun 1, 2021 13:09:57 GMT -5
But for real, as much as I don't like the tactics that BTS fans use to get their songs to the top of the charts, there's nothing illegal about it (at least, according to Billboard and Nielsen) so maybe just let them be? They've found a forumla that works for them to score #1 debuts on the Hot 100 and as long as no new rules are introduced by Billboard regarding mass buying/pure sales, they'll keep racking up high debuts and that's just it. We really can't keep having the chart thread of any week where they release a single go to sh*t simply because they scored yet another #1 debut. It is what it is. Let's all just move on. girl please if they blocked Dr*ke you would be writing a dissertation about it I remember many Drake stans were mad when Kenny Chesney blocked him on the Billboard 200 with bundles lol |
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Post by rimetm on Jun 1, 2021 13:19:48 GMT -5
Just putting this out there: because the Global charts don't use D2C or programmed streams, as long as a song has stats revealed for all 3 charts (Hot 100, Global 200, Global Excluding US), you can get an accurate portfolio in detail of the metrics:
Main Digital Sales: 102,800
D2C Digital Sales: 140,000
On-Demand Streams: 31,800,000
Programmed Streams: 400,000
The streaming breakdown's mostly just a cute little curio, but that D2C number...ooh, that's a juicy salvo for people that don't like them. 140,000 sales translates to 28,000 chart points (280 by the Simm/TOTC simplified sig figs), which would flip the race for #1 by a big margin, giving Good 4 U the #1 by a 5:4 lead roughly. I'm not sure where I stand on what to do about D2C, but I figure this info is useful to have.
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Post by oliviafan101 on Jun 1, 2021 13:34:52 GMT -5
So the caterwauling loser couldn't have #1s simultaneously in the BB200 and Hot100? Loser!!! People like you shouldn’t have opinions on the internet. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 1, 2021 13:38:07 GMT -5
Week 77 confirmed:
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Post by sergf13 on Jun 1, 2021 13:40:33 GMT -5
Overall, this is actually more tame than I expected this thread to be. Certainly more tame than when LGO went #1.
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Post by kimberly on Jun 1, 2021 13:46:06 GMT -5
Overall, this is actually more tame than I expected this thread to be. Certainly more tame than when LGO went #1. probably because no one expects "Butter" to match "Life Goes On"s abysmal performance. 1 - 28 - 93 - OUT is literally the worst Hot 100 run for a No. 1 single. another historic record army blessed BTS with! |
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Post by kiddo1994 on Jun 1, 2021 14:01:34 GMT -5
they got their no.1, can they stop polluting the charts with their fraudulent website sales now??
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Post by kiddo1994 on Jun 1, 2021 14:03:21 GMT -5
what's the difference between what BTS did and what Taylor did for Me! or Gaga bundling jockstraps or Lil Nas with the remixes? It's the chart game. Billboard already changed the rules for albums.. time to stop the fraudulent spammed website sales |
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Post by kiddo1994 on Jun 1, 2021 14:05:19 GMT -5
i have to laugh at these BTS stans calling Olivia "non-organic" and that Butter is the organic number1
stay deluded with your unknown-to-the-public no.1s sweeties, now go and stop polluting the charts
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Post by sergf13 on Jun 1, 2021 14:29:03 GMT -5
You all realize that whining about the outcome of the chart accomplishes nothing, right? You can write your essays about why you think BTS didn't deserve the #1, but the fact will remain that they still went #1 this week.
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