Billboard Hot 100: 06/12/2021

[Gary]

Although I agree that most people in the music consuming community won’t care if Blindiing Lights charted 78 weeks or 30. I will take it one step further and that most that are familiar with the song will enjoy the music and not worry at all about billboard recurrency rules.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Speaking of recurrency rules (or lack thereof), it's so ridiculous to me how "Mr. Brightside" is pretty much eternal on the UK Charts, and has been ingrained in the Year-End for these last few years. Don't get me wrong, I really like the song, but to have it rising at #69 this week makes no sense.

I'm grateful the Billboard Hot 100 doesn't allow nonsense like this to happen. The Recurrent Charts are enough, and if a song gets a significant revival à la "Dreams" or Christmas music, it should be able to re-enter regardless.

[Groovy]

Jun 4, 2021 9:05:18 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Stan Twitter I mean Hip hop Twitter was pressed over this.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 5, 2021 7:39:56 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Jun 4, 2021 9:05:18 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Stan Twitter I mean Hip hop Twitter was pressed over this.

As if Olivia didn't have enough cry babies shouting "industry plant!" over her success, now she's pissed off the hip-hop whitebois of twitter 😂😂😂.

Hope they stay mad though. All this free salt is great.

[Groovy]

Jun 5, 2021 8:13:30 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jun 5, 2021 7:39:56 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Stan Twitter I mean Hip hop Twitter was pressed over this.

As if Olivia didn't have enough cry babies shouting "industry plant!" over her success, now she's pissed off the hip-hop whitebois of twitter 😂😂😂.

Hope they stay mad though. All this free salt is great.

They’re saying the same thing.

[Amnesiac]

This is a much better analysis of why "Butter" is #1, but of course some BTS fans are furious about it and that he dares to mention radio at all.

[meg]

Jun 5, 2021 10:13:19 GMT -5 Amnesiac said:

This is a much better analysis of why "Butter" is #1, but of course some BTS fans are furious about it and that he dares to mention radio at all.

There's literally three responses to this article. Three. Who is furious? This is the first time I see it and it's clearly not making any noise in the fandom. No one is furious. Someone only corrected him to say they are 50 years old fan and not a teenager.

[Amnesiac]

Oh right, I shared his personal tweet. Here's the Slate share which has a lot more replies.

twitter.com/Slate/status/1401115553654259712

[meg]

Jun 5, 2021 10:26:09 GMT -5 Amnesiac said:

Oh right, I shared his personal tweet. Here's the Slate share which has a lot more replies.

twitter.com/Slate/status/1401115553654259712

Calling fans "rabit" is not a way to do it. And it keeps happening. This article is clearly biased and have no actual substance. There was a lot of really good written articles, albums reviews that weren't positive but were a real piece of journalism not a bunch of stereotypes put together and fans weren't upset. They were open for discussion. But how can you have meritorical discussion here? The thing is western artists are not getting this kind of articles when they releasing remixes or 10 versions of one album. The articles we should be getting should be about how billboard as a institution is flawed from the inside and how those flaws are being exploited for years. And BTS should not be the main focus of this but one of the examples. 

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jun 5, 2021 10:22:56 GMT -5 meg said:

Jun 5, 2021 10:13:19 GMT -5 Amnesiac said:

This is a much better analysis of why "Butter" is #1, but of course some BTS fans are furious about it and that he dares to mention radio at all.

There's literally three responses to this article. Three. Who is furious? This is the first time I see it and it's clearly not making any noise in the fandom. No one is furious.

Then

Jun 5, 2021 10:37:56 GMT -5 meg said:

Jun 5, 2021 10:26:09 GMT -5 Amnesiac said:

Oh right, I shared his personal tweet. Here's the Slate share which has a lot more replies.

twitter.com/Slate/status/1401115553654259712

Calling fans "rabit" is not a way to do it. And it keeps happening. This article is clearly biased and have no actual substance. There was a lot of really good written articles, albums reviews that weren't positive but were a real piece of journalism not a bunch of stereotypes put together and fans weren't upset. They were open for discussion. But how can you have meritorical discussion here? The thing is western artists are not getting this kind of articles when they releasing remixes or 10 versions of one album. The articles we should be getting should be about how billboard as a institution is flawed from the inside and how those flaws are being exploited for years. And BTS should not be the main focus of this but one of the examples. 

I guess we know who is furious. :kii:

I think one of the reasons why all these articles are popping up now is that BTS fans have become their own entity more than fans of other acts, perhaps outside of One Direction. And they weren’t organized, nor did they wear than organized nature with pride the way BTS fans seem to, so that level of organization and attention they’re receiving for it has drawn a lot of people to take a closer look at how much influence fans can have on the charts.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

So...what are the prospects for DJ Khaled's "I DID IT"? I know the focus is currently on "EVERY CHANCE I GET", but I heard that the song is allegedly starting to be pushed on pop, hip hop, and rhythmic.

It's currently nowhere to be found on metrics, but I imagine it could get stronger later on (+ addition to playlists). It has everything to be a summer smash, and it's also a great tune (the best from Khaled in quite some time).

I'm curious to know what more experienced chart watchers think.

[meg]

Jun 5, 2021 10:59:36 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jun 5, 2021 10:37:56 GMT -5 meg said:

Calling fans "rabit" is not a way to do it. And it keeps happening. This article is clearly biased and have no actual substance. There was a lot of really good written articles, albums reviews that weren't positive but were a real piece of journalism not a bunch of stereotypes put together and fans weren't upset. They were open for discussion. But how can you have meritorical discussion here? The thing is western artists are not getting this kind of articles when they releasing remixes or 10 versions of one album. The articles we should be getting should be about how billboard as a institution is flawed from the inside and how those flaws are being exploited for years. And BTS should not be the main focus of this but one of the examples. 

I guess we know who is furious.

I think one of the reasons why all these articles are popping up now is that BTS fans have become their own entity more than fans of other acts, perhaps outside of One Direction. And they weren’t organized, nor did they wear than organized nature with pride the way BTS fans seem to, so that level of organization and attention they’re receiving for it has drawn a lot of people to take a closer look at how much influence fans can have on the charts.

I'm not furious. I think better way of dealing with things like this is ignoring them and not give them attention. At this point I'm used to articles like this.

And I actually agree with you on this. Media observe armys even more than they observe BTS. Every little thing is scrutinized and analized. They look at the fandom as anomally and a thing you can use to exploit for clicks. Amd the fact that a fanbase can actually match GP with their power is something that I think never happened before so I understand this obsession in some ways. But at the same time they are not doing any research for their articles which every good journalist should do and they just repeat the same stereotypes and negative informations that were made up years ago and that's just lazy writing. I'm here for article about negative sides of the fandom (there was really good one about racism towards black armys that no one criticised) but let it not be a witch hunt. That Forbes article that was mentioned here yesterday was also biased, I agree with it. The writer is a BTS fan. We need middle ground here.

Sorry again for writing long. I just think it's really interesting to discuss.

[Groovy]

Dammit, not again.

[Enigma.]

Jun 5, 2021 11:11:14 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

So...what are the prospects for DJ Khaled's "I DID IT"? I know the focus is currently on "EVERY CHANCE I GET", but I heard that the song is allegedly starting to be pushed on pop, hip hop, and rhythmic.

It's currently nowhere to be found on metrics, but I imagine it could get stronger later on (+ addition to playlists). It has everything to be a summer smash, and it's also a great tune (the best from Khaled in quite some time).

I'm curious to know what more experienced chart watchers think.

Want my two cents: it should be locked, key thrown into the ocean in the end, and forgotten.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

SPOILER: Click to show

{So Ive really come around on Butter and think its one of the best produced, best written hit songs so far this year}haha jk, it's gotten more annoying every time my sister plays it

Good for you, you're doin' great out there without me, baby

God, I wish that I could do that

I've lost my mind, I've spent the night

Cryin' on the floor of my bathroom

But you're so unaffected, I really don't get it

But I guess good for you

[edward]

Jun 5, 2021 10:37:56 GMT -5 meg said:

Jun 5, 2021 10:26:09 GMT -5 Amnesiac said:

Oh right, I shared his personal tweet. Here's the Slate share which has a lot more replies.

twitter.com/Slate/status/1401115553654259712

Calling fans "rabit" is not a way to do it. And it keeps happening. This article is clearly biased and have no actual substance. There was a lot of really good written articles, albums reviews that weren't positive but were a real piece of journalism not a bunch of stereotypes put together and fans weren't upset. They were open for discussion. But how can you have meritorical discussion here? The thing is western artists are not getting this kind of articles when they releasing remixes or 10 versions of one album. The articles we should be getting should be about how billboard as a institution is flawed from the inside and how those flaws are being exploited for years. And BTS should not be the main focus of this but one of the examples. 

You really need to stop act like bts stans, especially on Twitter, are rational and unbiased because it's literally the opposite. In fact, many of them think the whole world are against bts except for themselves.

[jja2389]

Jun 5, 2021 11:17:32 GMT -5 meg said:

Jun 5, 2021 10:59:36 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I guess we know who is furious.

I think one of the reasons why all these articles are popping up now is that BTS fans have become their own entity more than fans of other acts, perhaps outside of One Direction. And they weren’t organized, nor did they wear than organized nature with pride the way BTS fans seem to, so that level of organization and attention they’re receiving for it has drawn a lot of people to take a closer look at how much influence fans can have on the charts.

I'm not furious. I think better way of dealing with things like this is ignoring them and not give them attention. At this point I'm used to articles like this.

And I actually agree with you on this. Media observe armys even more than they observe BTS. Every little thing is scrutinized and analized. They look at the fandom as anomally and a thing you can use to exploit for clicks. Amd the fact that a fanbase can actually match GP with their power is something that I think never happened before so I understand this obsession in some ways. But at the same time they are not doing any research for their articles which every good journalist should do and they just repeat the same stereotypes and negative informations that were made up years ago and that's just lazy writing. I'm here for article about negative sides of the fandom (there was really good one about racism towards black armys that no one criticised) but let it not be a witch hunt. That Forbes article that was mentioned here yesterday was also biased, I agree with it. The writer is a BTS fan. We need middle ground here.

Sorry again for writing long. I just think it's really interesting to discuss.

Do you ever stop talking????????? God, it’s so annoying that these threads are bombarded by Meg’s constant annoyance. I never comment on threads just observe but I can’t do this without the constant stan behavior.🙃

[Amnesiac]

Jun 5, 2021 11:27:40 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Dammit, not again.

I accidentally just reopened a can of worms huh

Jun 5, 2021 10:37:56 GMT -5 meg said:

Jun 5, 2021 10:26:09 GMT -5 Amnesiac said:

Oh right, I shared his personal tweet. Here's the Slate share which has a lot more replies.

twitter.com/Slate/status/1401115553654259712

Calling fans "rabit" is not a way to do it. And it keeps happening. This article is clearly biased and have no actual substance. There was a lot of really good written articles, albums reviews that weren't positive but were a real piece of journalism not a bunch of stereotypes put together and fans weren't upset. They were open for discussion. But how can you have meritorical discussion here? The thing is western artists are not getting this kind of articles when they releasing remixes or 10 versions of one album. The articles we should be getting should be about how billboard as a institution is flawed from the inside and how those flaws are being exploited for years. And BTS should not be the main focus of this but one of the examples. 

"Rabid fans" is a common term used to describe fans of all sorts of notable personalities. I just did a Google News check and saw it being used to describe devoted fans of everyone from sports team coaches to Benedict Cumberbatch to KFC. In terms of music, I've seen it used to describe fanbases from The Beatles and Elvis to KISS and Phish to Taylor Swift and J. Cole. It is not a term that is being used to exclusively describe BTS or K-pop fans of this moment. BTS is only the focus of this discussion right now with articles like this one and the Stereogum one because they currently have the #1 song on the Billboard Hot 100, and both Molanphy and Briehan write about every number one.

[nathanalbright]

The people most likely to be offended by being called rabid fans are said rabid fans. Thanks, Amnesiac, for your discussion, even if you did open up the messiness for this week's chart discussion.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Jun 5, 2021 11:27:44 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Jun 5, 2021 11:11:14 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

So...what are the prospects for DJ Khaled's "I DID IT"? I know the focus is currently on "EVERY CHANCE I GET", but I heard that the song is allegedly starting to be pushed on pop, hip hop, and rhythmic.

It's currently nowhere to be found on metrics, but I imagine it could get stronger later on (+ addition to playlists). It has everything to be a summer smash, and it's also a great tune (the best from Khaled in quite some time).

I'm curious to know what more experienced chart watchers think.

Want my two cents: it should be locked, key thrown into the ocean in the end, and forgotten.

That 100% applies for "I'm The One", "Wild Thoughts", "For Free", "No Brainer", and "POPSTAR", yet these all managed to be hits. I don't think the song is perfect by any means, but it's a huge improvement from Khaled's usual quality output, and given the power behind the names attached, it would be a shame if his team didn't invest on it as a potential summer smash. 

This is just my opinion, of course, but I was impressed to see all artists involved doing such a great job with their parts, and for once, the sample was nicely integrated while giving the tune an identity of its own. 

[gikem]

I think ECIG will end up being the only true hit from Khaled Khaled, though I'm curious if a standout track from Voice of the Heroes will undercut some of its momentum.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/06/05

1(=) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open 109.51(+0.44)
2(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVĒON) 108.46(+0.30)
3(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 88.83(+0.69)
4(=) The Weeknd & Ariana Grande - Save Your Tears (Remix) 78.15(-0.09)
5(=) The Kid LAROI & Miley Cyrus - WITHOUT YOU (Miley Cyrus Remix) 68.46(+0.58)
6(=) Ariana Grande - pov 56.36(+0.16)

7(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 56.33(+0.91) +

8(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 52.92(+0.91)

9(=) Maroon 5 & Megan Thee Stallion - Beautiful Mistakes 51.90(+0.29)
10(=) Luke Combs - Forever After All 50.06(+1.13)

13(=) Dierks Bentley - Gone 44.19(+0.74)

20(=) Chris Young & Kane Brown - Famous Friends 37.83(+0.65)

33(+1) Jason Aldean - Blame It on You 31.36(+0.62)

34(+2) Cole Swindell - Single Saturday Night 30.71(+0.61)

57(+6) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 22.62(+1.40)

-(-) Los Legendarios, Wisin & Jhay Cortez - Fiel 7.64(+0.65)

[ZERO]

Jun 5, 2021 11:11:14 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

So...what are the prospects for DJ Khaled's "I DID IT"? I know the focus is currently on "EVERY CHANCE I GET", but I heard that the song is allegedly starting to be pushed on pop, hip hop, and rhythmic.

It's currently nowhere to be found on metrics, but I imagine it could get stronger later on (+ addition to playlists). It has everything to be a summer smash, and it's also a great tune (the best from Khaled in quite some time).

I'm curious to know what more experienced chart watchers think.

The video is doing... alright, I suppose. Radio is being a bit slow. It might become a bottom 50 feeder if I had to guess (if it comes back)

[Az Paynter]

Dua is within a million of re-peaking on AI total; which is remarkable considering the massive audience re-calibration we saw a little while ago. Comparably speaking, 89 mill. now would likely have been somewhere between 115-120 mill. as of a couple of months ago.

[goldentakes]

Jun 5, 2021 12:56:33 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Jun 5, 2021 11:27:44 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Want my two cents: it should be locked, key thrown into the ocean in the end, and forgotten.

That 100% applies for "I'm The One", "Wild Thoughts", "For Free", "No Brainer", and "POPSTAR", yet these all managed to be hits. I don't think the song is perfect by any means, but it's a huge improvement from Khaled's usual quality output, and given the power behind the names attached, it would be a shame if his team didn't invest on it as a potential summer smash. 

This is just my opinion, of course, but I was impressed to see all artists involved doing such a great job with their parts, and for once, the sample was nicely integrated while giving the tune an identity of its own. 

I'd argue that all of those songs you named (Outside of No Brainer) are pretty solid songs, and all caught on early with great streaming/youtube out the gate. I Did It is not good at all, and is barely a month out and it's been out of top 200 Spotify, 100 on Apple Music, etc. for a while already. Its Sales are also weak and the Youtube is ok. Keep in mind that It's been the The Intro song for the NBA Playoffs for a couple weeks now, and that seems to have failed at giving it any life. I say no chance it becomes a real hit.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

The music videos for Butter remained at #1 in the weekly YouTube chart, when you combined the original and the hotter remix one but neither of them on their own placed higher than Good 4 U's music video. The music videos for Lost Cause and Voice of the Heroes debuted just below Good 4 U. Another top 10 debut was the music video for Lucid Dreams' remix.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Jun 5, 2021 17:49:38 GMT -5 goldentakes said:

Jun 5, 2021 12:56:33 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

That 100% applies for "I'm The One", "Wild Thoughts", "For Free", "No Brainer", and "POPSTAR", yet these all managed to be hits. [...]

I'd argue that all of those songs you named (Outside of No Brainer) are pretty solid songs, and all caught on early with great streaming/youtube out the gate. I Did It is not good at all, and is barely a month out and it's been out of top 200 Spotify, 100 on Apple Music, etc. for a while already. Its Sales are also weak and the Youtube is ok. Keep in mind that It's been the The Intro song for the NBA Playoffs for a couple weeks now, and that seems to have failed at giving it any life. I say no chance it becomes a real hit.

For once, not a golden take from your part... /s 

(for me, most DJ Khaled tunes are the definition of uninspired and manufactured to become hits out of name recognition, despite the artists sounding thoroughly uninvested. "Wild Thoughts" in particular feels derivative with the lazy sampling, and features some embarrassing lyrics. "I DID IT", on the other hand, feels like a welcome improvement in my opinion, and while one could argue Post could have done better, Meg and the Babies deliver great, focused, and on-topic verses)

You're entitled to your opinion, though, and you're right that the song doesn't look likely to become a hit so far given how quickly it left Spotify and Apple Music. 

I just brought it up out of curiosity, but mostly to shift away from yet another tired BTS-related fight. 😄

[phieaglesfan712]

Future Nostalgia is making a late challenge to After Hours and Pop Smoke for the top album of 2020:

FN deserved to be nominated on the BBMAs over these albums:

Juice Wrld – Legends Never Die
Lil Baby – My Turn
Taylor Swift – Folklore

[kcdawg13]

Jun 6, 2021 7:29:56 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Future Nostalgia is making a late challenge to After Hours and Pop Smoke for the top album of 2020:

FN deserved to be nominated on the BBMAs over these albums:

Juice Wrld – Legends Never Die
Lil Baby – My Turn
Taylor Swift – Folklore

I disagree, FN is a great album but it's sudden resurgence didn't happen until after the Grammys. It did well last year but the album repeaked and has spent most of 2021 in the Top 10, it's doing way better this year than last year. Also those 3 records did way better in 2020 than FN and definitely deserved the nods over it.

[kindofbiased]

Jun 6, 2021 7:29:56 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Future Nostalgia is making a late challenge to After Hours and Pop Smoke for the top album of 2020:

FN deserved to be nominated on the BBMAs over these albums:

Juice Wrld – Legends Never Die
Lil Baby – My Turn
Taylor Swift – Folklore

as much as I love Future Nostalgia and how undeniably successful it’s been all 3 of those albums definitely felt bigger in 2020 itself even if FN is the biggest of them right now