Billboard Hot 100: 06/12/2021

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 4, 2021 11:40:46 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I don’t mind there being recurrent rules, I just wish they were more consistent in enforcing them. I didn’t like that they kept I Like Me Better, but dropped Plug Walk all the way from #15. That to me is very inconsistent.

Perhaps, they need to put a lower bound on how low songs with 20+ weeks can chart. I can be fine if they said songs with 20+ weeks that are rising can chart, but not lower than #60, for example.

If this is just because of your stupid vendetta against One Too Many, please let it go. It's rising on country airplay ergo, it's rising in points. That's all that matters, it's allowed to stay.

[Gary]

repost of country airplay

TW LW 2W WOC TITLE PEAK
1 2 3 20 Forever After All, Luke Combs 1
2 4 5 58 Nobody, Dylan Scott 2
3 6 7 32 Gone, Dierks Bentley 3
4 3 1 34 Breaking Up Was Easy In The 90's, Sam Hunt 1
5 1 4 30 Hell Of A View, Eric Church 1
6 7 8 26 Famous Friends, Chris Young + Kane Brown 6
7 11 11 52 Almost Maybes, Jordan Davis 7
8 8 10 29 Blame It On You, Jason Aldean 8
9 10 9 36 Settling Down, Miranda Lambert 9
10 12 12 48 Single Saturday Night, Cole Swindell 10
11 13 13 20 Minimum Wage, Blake Shelton 11
12 14 14 36 One Too Many, Keith Urban Duet With P!nk 12

[nathanalbright]

I still can't believe Sam Hunt got another #1 with Breaking Up Was Easy In The 90's.

[divasummer]

Jun 3, 2021 20:32:27 GMT -5 hughster1 said:

Jun 3, 2021 20:05:35 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

I wished these forums existed back in the 80's & 90's when the Queens of Pop were ruling the charts. Can you imagine the mayhem.

Imagine what it would have been like in the buildup to "Bad" coming out, almost five long years after "Thriller"!

Imagine when we got stuck with "I just Stop Loving You".
It was only num.1 by hype alone. Sorry Michael but, it's the truth.
Certain artists can bring songs up the radio charts just because (POV).

[phieaglesfan712]

Jun 4, 2021 12:16:10 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jun 4, 2021 11:40:46 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I don’t mind there being recurrent rules, I just wish they were more consistent in enforcing them. I didn’t like that they kept I Like Me Better, but dropped Plug Walk all the way from #15. That to me is very inconsistent.

Perhaps, they need to put a lower bound on how low songs with 20+ weeks can chart. I can be fine if they said songs with 20+ weeks that are rising can chart, but not lower than #60, for example.

If this is just because of your stupid vendetta against One Too Many, please let it go. It's rising on country airplay ergo, it's rising in points. That's all that matters, it's allowed to stay.

It's not a vendetta on One Too Many, I have more of a vendetta on the fact that the rule has loose interpretations and a loophole. (Just like I don't like how BTS stans exploited the mass buying loophole, and Billboard hasn't done enough to address this.) I didn't like it when ILMB got the extra weeks on the charts, and I still don't like it now. You all are okay about this now, but I bet most of you will be whining if a song spends 40-45 weeks in the 61-75 range, and beat out a song like Good Days or Streets that got booted because of the 20-week rule. (Just like in 2018 when ILMB finished higher than Plug Walk on the YE.)

[Gary]

I don't think its loose interpretation I think its pretty clear. It is currently the 12th biggest song on country and climbing, not stagnant, not in need of being bumped to recurrent.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Applying a single recurrent rule to all songs now almost seems pointless given how some genres have slower rises, then there’s crossover impacts, and now we’re seeing some songs resurging for various reasons. Plus there’s album bombs, which are often temporary anyway, so basing recurrent rules on chart position (which is all relative anyway) to me is outdated. Maybe song should be removed regardless of where they are on the chart if they’ve achieved a minimum period of chart time (20 weeks?) and haven’t experienced consistent gains in any metric for at least 3 weeks in a row, or 5 weeks in a row (accounting for bumps in streaming or sales that are probably fairly common).

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Speaking of flaws in Billboard's recurrent rules, it still baffles me that Polo G's "Martin & Gina" left the charts at 19 weeks but never returned despite a consistent streaming presence.

Worse, it actually debuted at #25 on the Recurrent Charts recently for some reason.

[Gary]

It fell off from #94 in December and returned to recurrent charts in May (5 month gap)

It only reappeared at streaming at #49 the week it debited on recurrent, no chart weeks on streaming for 6 months prior to May

[Choco]

Jun 4, 2021 11:24:50 GMT -5 Groovy said:

If a song doesn't come back from recurrency due to an album bomb or whatever it's probably for a reason.

It needs to gain on two metrics and be actively promoted by the label. The label stopped actively promoting this... like a year ago. And getting sucked to #18 while still dropping on all metrics will not fulfill the "gaining on two metrics" requirement.

[samus93]

Two things I would like to leave here to discuss. www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2021/06/04/bts-arent-ruining-the-billboard-charts-they-were-already-broken/?sh=6d58c4a811bf the main point of focus should be the system, I've seen a few mentions of it in the comments, and also as a reply to that article linked earlier.

Also, a second point, keep a close eye on what's going down with the House Judiciary Committee and “Discovery Mode”.
Future of Music Coalition @/future_of_music "This has the potential to be an issue that unites artists, fans, major and indie labels, antimonopoly advocates, civil rights groups, media reformers, and more. Payola sucks for everyone except gatekeeper platforms. On its face, digital payola is an unfair method of competition. Payola deceives consumers, amplifies power disparities, threatens diversity, and drives down wages. Eliminating payola from *all* digital platforms will be an important step towards a healthier music ecosystem."

It will be interesting to see how everything plays out and I hope we can focus on ways to improve the system.

[kimberly]

Jun 4, 2021 13:24:54 GMT -5 samus93 said:

Two things I would like to leave here to discuss. www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2021/06/04/bts-arent-ruining-the-billboard-charts-they-were-already-broken/?sh=6d58c4a811bf the main point of focus should be the system, I've seen a few mentions of it in the comments, and also as a reply to that article linked earlier.

this is pandering to the ARMY so hard

Breihan’s assertion that “Butter” isn’t actually the most popular song in America right now simply does not hold water. Just because a song doesn’t fit your preconceived notions of what a hit sounds like or how it is achieved doesn’t make it less legitimate. Barring a seismic industry shift, the Hot 100 still determines the most popular songs in the country, flawed methodology and all. Somebody’s got to determine what song takes the throne every week, be it fans, record label executives or somebody else with deep pockets. This week, the fans put their money where their mouth is and sent “Butter” all the way to the top. To accuse them of ruining the pop charts in the process is to ignore decades of foul play surrounding the Billboard charts as well as BTS’s own stratospheric success, which took years to cultivate and which shows no signs of diminishing. If you’re just now taking note, that’s on you.

I didn't like either of these articles, to be honest. Neither do a good job at explaining what BTS fans are doing that's different than, say, what The Weeknd and Kenny Chesney were doing. I think Breihan had the right idea but the article wasn't executed well and left out too many details.

[lurker2]

I feel like it's fair to say the only difference between BTS and, IDK, Taylor Swift's sales tactics is they have more people willing to massbuy. Chesney and the Weeknd's were bundling, which is now regulated.

I feel like that article's point there is circular reasoning (the Hot 100 is correct because the Hot 100 is correct). Agree about both articles.

[Enigma.]

Blinding Lights climbed 15 spots in the UK this week, just saying

[Crimsonio]

Jun 4, 2021 14:12:32 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Blinding Lights climbed 15 spots in the UK this week, just saying

Oh my god let this song go, it's been two years. You're like the gays who are still clinging on for dear life to Sky Ferriera. 

[thabb]

Jun 4, 2021 13:24:54 GMT -5 samus93 said:

Two things I would like to leave here to discuss. www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2021/06/04/bts-arent-ruining-the-billboard-charts-they-were-already-broken/?sh=6d58c4a811bf the main point of focus should be the system, I've seen a few mentions of it in the comments, and also as a reply to that article linked earlier.

Also, a second point, keep a close eye on what's going down with the House Judiciary Committee and “Discovery Mode”.
Future of Music Coalition @/future_of_music "This has the potential to be an issue that unites artists, fans, major and indie labels, antimonopoly advocates, civil rights groups, media reformers, and more. Payola sucks for everyone except gatekeeper platforms. On its face, digital payola is an unfair method of competition. Payola deceives consumers, amplifies power disparities, threatens diversity, and drives down wages. Eliminating payola from *all* digital platforms will be an important step towards a healthier music ecosystem."

It will be interesting to see how everything plays out and I hope we can focus on ways to improve the system.

This article's dabbling in the stupid Spotify filtration conspiracies peddled by BTS's own fans while ~defending their honour~ from a Stereogum article is hilarious. The author (and BTS's fans) are acting like Rain on Me didn't go from 10.2mil unfiltered to 6.7mil filtered. Songs that attract big fan traffic result in massive filtering because most fans are obsessive streamers, even if thousands of BTS fans (only mentioning them because they are the latest example) go on Twitter and say "nooo we all use playlists and stream normally and we know everything about charts!".

Why should Spotify (or any streaming service) have to disclose their "filtration"/anti-manipulation tactics … ? So fans can take advantage of it by playing within the rules just like what happened to the Billboard/Nieslen bulk buying limits (which we had no idea of until last year)? This article is written in bad faith.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Jun 4, 2021 14:25:37 GMT -5 Crimsonio said:

Jun 4, 2021 14:12:32 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Blinding Lights climbed 15 spots in the UK this week, just saying

Oh my god let this song go, it's been two years. You're like the gays who are still clinging on for dear life to Sky Ferriera. 

I’M RIGHT HERE 😭😭😭

[nathanalbright]

No need to go hard like that.

[Deleted]

what the fuck is a bts

[Gary]

What Does BTS Mean?
BTS Means "The Bangtan Boys," "Better Than Sex" and "Be There Soon."

The most common meanings for BTS in text-based messaging and chats used to be "Better Than Sex" and "Be There Soon." However, BTS is now more often used to refer to the Korean boy band BTS ("The Bangtan Boys").

Here's more information about each of these meanings of BTS, including examples of use.

Bangtan Boys
BTS is the name of a 7-member South Korean boy band, AKA the "Bangtan Boys." BTS stands for "Bang Tan Sonyeondan," which literally translates as the "Bulletproof Boy Scouts." In July 2017, as part of a revamp of their image, BTS announced they would also be known as "Beyond The Scene."

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Where was that writeup stolen from

[Deleted]

Thank you, Gary. My kids have been talking about a "BTS" in the household for a little while now and I've been wondering what it is. Now that I know it means "Before The Sex", I will have a very stern talk with them.

[ontopofthis]

Recurrent rules are another reason why Billboard is arbitrary. A song can open at the bottom of the charts and stay there for months but eventually scrape together a top ten placement because of airplay, giving it a year or so on the charts, but WAP only gets twenty whatever weeks on the charts because its high debut does not allow it to be at the bottom of the charts months into its run? That is just straight up non sense. Recurrent rules oughta be all or none

[campbellssoup]

[Deleted]

i think anyone would be able to kick rem's ass at this point. aren't they all in their 60s?

[nathanalbright]

That is what the graph would imply, but it says that one would not want to fight them.

[kcdawg13]

I feel like that dude from AJR would body me, he's always wearing that hat so he's probably got something hiding under it. Maybe he's strapped or something.

The members of BTS are definitely strapped, with fans like theirs I would always carry a weapon on me if I was them.

[Limited Edition]

Jun 4, 2021 14:25:37 GMT -5 Crimsonio said:

Jun 4, 2021 14:12:32 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Blinding Lights climbed 15 spots in the UK this week, just saying

Oh my god let this song go, it's been two years. You're like the gays who are still clinging on for dear life to Sky Ferriera. 

This is like telling people to let go of Bohemian Rhapsody, Wake Me Up, Don't Stop Believing, All Of Me, Perfect, Despacito, Sunflower, Take Me To Church, Closer and Shape Of You which are STILL charting on Global 200. And Mr. Brightside is STILL charting in the UK after 5 years, let it go people !1!1!!!11

It is what it is with the classics. They'll remain relevant forever. You just have to deal with it. 

[atg]

Jun 4, 2021 15:42:14 GMT -5 @chartfucker72 said:

Thank you, Gary. My kids have been talking about a "BTS" in the household for a little while now and I've been wondering what it is. Now that I know it means "Before The Sex", I will have a very stern talk with them.

You should’ve known that already! What do you think Dynamite is about or what Butter is implying to be?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 4, 2021 18:14:30 GMT -5 Limited Edition said:

Jun 4, 2021 14:25:37 GMT -5 Crimsonio said:

Oh my god let this song go, it's been two years. You're like the gays who are still clinging on for dear life to Sky Ferriera. 

This is like telling people to let go of Bohemian Rhapsody, Wake Me Up, Don't Stop Believing, All Of Me, Perfect, Despacito, Sunflower, Take Me To Church, Closer and Shape Of You which are STILL charting on Global 200. And Mr. Brightside is STILL charting in the UK after 5 years, let it go people !1!1!!!11

It is what it is with the classics. They'll remain relevant forever. You just have to deal with it. 

No it's not. Wanting something to not chart is not the same as denying a song is a classic or telling people to let go of it. The public doesn't give a shit if Blinding Lights spent 78 weeks on the charts or 30, it's already classic no matter how long it's been on the charts. Also the global charts are different since there are no recurrency rules, and yes I also do have an issue with the UK chart rules regarding longevity and recurrency.


Also Crimsonio STOP CALLING ME OUT LIKE THIS 😭😭😭. SKY WILL REMEMBER SHE'S A MUSICIAN AGAIN, I PROMISE.