Billboard Hot 100: 06/26/2021

[nak]

The Billboard website sucks. Every time I go to a new date a loud-ass video starts to play. They need to take notes from the UK official charts, where you click on a song and its entire chart run is displayed.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

and I thought butter melts during hot days

[HolidayGuy]

Out of curiosity- does any,one know how these BTS Army tactics work? For instance- is money sent to unique individuals in the USA, who then, purchase digital and/or physical copies of the singles? So, if a track sells 140,000, is it likely that that is 140,000 (or close to it) unique individuals making the purchase? Some could have multiple accounts, I suppose, but that goes for any fanbase. If it's mostly a unique number of purchases, that wouldn't be seen as an anomaly, no matter how funds got in the hands of fans.

[Gary]

Is there a way to verify the claims on this site that sales of 138,000 is purchased by substantially less than 138K people?

Naturally some of that is each fan buys one copy of each remix but what about multiple versions of the same song? On average how many does each person in the fanbase buy?

[phieaglesfan712]

It looks like the Butter CDs will be arriving on September 9th, a Thursday, which means it will have an impact on 2 charting weeks:

[kimberly]

Jun 15, 2021 9:51:06 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

is it true that a*my is being audited by paypal? lol

edit: not them registering as a nonprofit so they can say it's all "donations" 😭

they're literally frauds :kii:

[kimberly]

Jun 15, 2021 10:33:59 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Out of curiosity- does any,one know how these BTS Army tactics work? For instance- is money sent to unique individuals in the USA, who then, purchase digital and/or physical copies of the singles? So, if a track sells 140,000, is it likely that that is 140,000 (or close to it) unique individuals making the purchase? Some could have multiple accounts, I suppose, but that goes for any fanbase. If it's mostly a unique number of purchases, that wouldn't be seen as an anomaly, no matter how funds got in the hands of fans.

there are 5 versions of the song on their web store. for purchases to count, each person can buy up to 4 copies of each version. so technically, if we're talking 140,000 D2C sales, all they need is 7,000 people in the US who are willing to accept the $14 it costs to buy 20 copies.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

I guarantee if Olivia stans were doing the exact same thing, these ARMY stans would be pissed and calling for Billboard's head

[HolidayGuy]

Are the Army tactics for both digital and physical copies, though? We know that one fan buying multiple copies was a common practice back in the CD-/cassette-single age; it's just that it's more coordinated and savvy nowadays.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jun 15, 2021 10:11:49 GMT -5 meg said:

Jun 15, 2021 9:51:06 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

is it true that a*my is being audited by paypal? lol

edit: not them registering as a nonprofit so they can say it's all "donations" 😭

The way so many of you is spaying armys like they are some kind of celebrities.

If you already posted it I tell you all why it's happening. At the beggining of this year army twitter was fighting crypto currency accounts who were paying some big (like 100K followers) army accounts to promote their "giveaways". When everything get out in the open, they left us for some time. Now they are trying to go back again becaus we are huge. One super shady person send $10k for no reason to this donation account and another one that raise money for UK charts. They didn't want some shady money, so they returned it and also some army exposed the whole shame behind this person and their 20 companies they "work". So that dude got mad and reported them to paypal. But it's not the only paypal account they have so don't celebrate too soon.

So it is intended to manipulate the charts or?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

"No but it's okay you guys, this $100K is fighting against xenophobia and Anti-asian hate"

[meg]

They just earned $70M in two days for online concert where 1.33M people from 195 regions paid $40 to watch it and broke their own world record for the biggest online concert in history. And I know for 100% none of your favourite pop artists who are getting #1 "the organic way" (which means a lot of playlisting and rafio) can't even dream of half of these numbers so I don't care what you all say.

[thegreatdivine]

You clearly care what people have to say seeing as you respond with a full paragraph every single time BTS is mentioned. It's exhausting.

[Youknowit]

Army fans are on the same level as Trump supporters for me.

[Choco]

Jun 15, 2021 11:02:19 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jun 15, 2021 10:33:59 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Out of curiosity- does any,one know how these BTS Army tactics work? For instance- is money sent to unique individuals in the USA, who then, purchase digital and/or physical copies of the singles? So, if a track sells 140,000, is it likely that that is 140,000 (or close to it) unique individuals making the purchase? Some could have multiple accounts, I suppose, but that goes for any fanbase. If it's mostly a unique number of purchases, that wouldn't be seen as an anomaly, no matter how funds got in the hands of fans.

there are 5 versions of the song on their web store. for purchases to count, each person can buy up to 4 copies of each version. so technically, if we're talking 140,000 D2C sales, all they need is 7,000 people in the US who are willing to accept the $14 it costs to buy 20 copies.

We love fraud-exposing math. And here I was thinking this was 50k people. It's much less. And $14 is nothing for stans.

f**k Billboard tbh.

[bbfan97]

someone on Pulse with math skills and the know-how should make their own chart and post it here with methodology. It would be more accurate than billboard allowing Butter to scam its way to 20+ weeks at #1

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 15, 2021 12:37:39 GMT -5 bbfan97 said:

someone on Pulse with math skills and the know-how should make their own chart and post it here with methodology. It would be more accurate than billboard allowing Butter to scam its way to 20+ weeks at #1

kimberly

[gikem]

Jun 15, 2021 12:37:39 GMT -5 bbfan97 said:

someone on Pulse with math skills and the know-how should make their own chart and post it here with methodology. It would be more accurate than billboard allowing Butter to scam its way to 20+ weeks at #1

Cynthia Rose mentioned it earlier, but I’m hoping the team behind TOTC will rebrand with a weekly chart of their own by the end of the year. The people that were behind that site are too good to just give up on tracking popular music entirely after Billboard came knocking.

[jenglisbe]

I'm just now catching up. When will we get back to having a #1 that is actually the most popular song?

[jenglisbe]

Jun 15, 2021 11:37:41 GMT -5 meg said:

They just earned $70M in two days for online concert where 1.33M people from 195 regions paid $40 to watch it and broke their own world record for the biggest online concert in history. And I know for 100% none of your favourite pop artists who are getting #1 "the organic way" (which means a lot of playlisting and rafio) can't even dream of half of these numbers so I don't care what you all say.

So, irrelevant to the U.S. chart discussion thread...

[s9983]

Jun 15, 2021 11:37:41 GMT -5 meg said:

They just earned $70M in two days for online concert where 1.33M people from 195 regions paid $40 to watch it and broke their own world record for the biggest online concert in history. And I know for 100% none of your favourite pop artists who are getting #1 "the organic way" (which means a lot of playlisting and rafio) can't even dream of half of these numbers so I don't care what you all say.

Instead of crying on pulse for ppl not agreeing with the fraudulence on billboard, you should be out there looking for a job

[thegreatdivine]

Last thing I'll say on the topic of BTS, but what I can't seem to understand is how a boy band which from the very beginning, saw considerable levels of local and (eventually) massive global success, can have a legion of fans that are relentless in their need to paint them as unfortunate underdogs.

#1 bestselling act globally last year, 4 #1 hits on the Hot 100 in less than 10 months, 5 #1 albums on the Billboard 200, sold out world tours, huge fanfare everywhere they go, etc and no matter the new heights of fame and success they reach/achieve, their fans never seem to be able to let go of that victim mentality.

I've noticed that BTS fans are desperate for western validation/respect and even though BTS has seen huge levels of success in the US at this point in their careers, their fans will never be satisfied until every human being in the US worships and adores BTS the way they do, that's why they'll nitpick at any criticism — valid or not — and immediately call it xenophobia. You share any thought that isn't painting BTS in the brightest light and you're being xenophobic, hateful and an enemy and you may very well get attacked. I wonder how long they plan to coast off of that.

With that being said, NO, Butter ISN'T the most popular song in the US, regardless of how consistent BTS fans may remain in their mass-buying. If you have to work that hard to keep your song at the top of the charts then that says all that needs to be said.

And before any BTS fan quotes this post and does the most with their response, this forum has remained CONSISTENT in it's criticisms against artists who use(d) bundles and engage in mass-buying campaigns for their singles so this isn't just a BTS thing. We've BEEN calling out Billboard for their flawed/outdated methodology in truly reflecting the most popular songs on their singles chart, so this isn't really about BTS. They just happen to be the latest act to engage in those tactics.

[85la]

Jun 15, 2021 10:11:49 GMT -5 meg said:

Jun 15, 2021 9:51:06 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

is it true that a*my is being audited by paypal? lol

edit: not them registering as a nonprofit so they can say it's all "donations" 😭

The way so many of you is spaying armys like they are some kind of celebrities.

If you already posted it I tell you all why it's happening. At the beggining of this year army twitter was fighting crypto currency accounts who were paying some big (like 100K followers) army accounts to promote their "giveaways". When everything get out in the open, they left us for some time. Now they are trying to go back again becaus we are huge. One super shady person send $10k for no reason to this donation account and another one that raise money for UK charts. They didn't want some shady money, so they returned it and also some army exposed the whole shame behind this person and their 20 companies they "work". So that dude got mad and reported them to paypal. But it's not the only paypal account they have so don't celebrate too soon.

No matter what you say, it's despicable that they are trying to register this as a "non-profit," that these "donations" are somehow for "charitable reasons." There is absolutely nothing "non-profit" or "charitable" as trying to effect higher chart placements for a pop music group to increase their visibility and hence marketability, leading to higher revenue under the corporate/capitalist record label structure. You complain about record labels buying playlisting and radio "payola," but this is the exact same thing! You have an outside entity giving money to help secure higher chart placements, you are doing the record label's bidding!! It's one thing when individuals are using their own money to buy the song multiple times week after week, which in itself is fraud, but these "donation" accounts take it to the next level, and are outright fraud in plain sight!!

[phieaglesfan712]

Remember, Billboard always finds the worst time to make changes. They implemented streaming during the middle of Thrift Shop’s run at #1, and added the 25/52 rule during the middle of Uptown Funk’s run. Do not be surprised if Billboard makes a formula change regarding sales to interrupt Butter’s run at #1.

[Enigma.]

Jun 15, 2021 13:45:32 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Last thing I'll say on the topic of BTS, but what I can't seem to understand is how a boy band which from the very beginning, saw considerable levels of local and (eventually) massive global success, can have a legion of fans that are relentless in their need to paint them as unfortunate underdogs.

#1 bestselling act globally last year, 4 #1 hits on the Hot 100 in less than 10 months, 5 #1 albums on the Billboard 200, sold out world tours, huge fanfare everywhere they go, etc and no matter the new heights of fame and success they reach/achieve, their fans never seem to be able to let go of that victim mentality.

I've noticed that BTS fans are desperate for western validation/respect and even though BTS has seen huge levels of success in the US at this point in their careers, their fans will never be satisfied until every human being in the US worships and adores BTS the way they do, that's why they'll nitpick at any criticism — valid or not — and immediately call it xenophobia. You share any thought that isn't painting BTS in the brightest light and you're being xenophobic and hateful and you're an enemy. I wonder how long they plan to coast off of that.

With that being said, NO, Butter ISN'T the most popular song in the US, regardless of how consistent BTS fans may remain in their mass-buying. If you have to work that hard to keep your song at the top of the charts then that says all that needs to be said.

And before any BTS fan quotes this post and does the most with their response, this forum has remained CONSISTENT in it's criticisms against artists who use(d) bundles and engage in mass-buying campaigns for their singles so this isn't just a BTS thing. We've BEEN calling out Billboard for their flawed/outdated methodology in truly reflecting the most popular songs on their singles chart, so this isn't really about BTS. They just happen to be the latest act to engage in those tactics.

Couldn't agree more!

Also, pop fans around the globe will start to dislike/stop paying attention to BTS if the army keeps on scheming for chart positions week after week. Honestly, it's not a good look.

[Gary]

Jun 15, 2021 13:11:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jun 15, 2021 11:37:41 GMT -5 meg said:

They just earned $70M in two days for online concert where 1.33M people from 195 regions paid $40 to watch it and broke their own world record for the biggest online concert in history. And I know for 100% none of your favourite pop artists who are getting #1 "the organic way" (which means a lot of playlisting and rafio) can't even dream of half of these numbers so I don't care what you all say.

So, irrelevant to the U.S. chart discussion thread...

Technically two dominant topics from what I can see:

complain about Billboard
and all things BTS

[meg]

Jun 15, 2021 13:45:32 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Last thing I'll say on the topic of BTS, but what I can't seem to understand is how a boy band which from the very beginning, saw considerable levels of local and (eventually) massive global success, can have a legion of fans that are relentless in their need to paint them as unfortunate underdogs.

I'm tired myself of that constent arguing about BTS and sales so I'm not gonna do that. But I just want to quickly explain one thing. BTS are underdogs. Yeah they are super rich and popular now but they were literally invisible for first 2-3 years so I don't know where did you get this info they were popular from the beginning. They were blacklisted by big companies and media. The level of their success will never change the fact that they come from nothing and raised to the top naturally. That's a underdog story. And to understand that I would tell you all to watch this. 



Also this is what one of them said just few days ago. And that's why their fans are like that.

That's all. The end of esseys.

[korbel16]

Yay for a 5th week at #1 for good 4 u !

[Choco]

Jun 15, 2021 12:40:31 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jun 15, 2021 12:37:39 GMT -5 bbfan97 said:

someone on Pulse with math skills and the know-how should make their own chart and post it here with methodology. It would be more accurate than billboard allowing Butter to scam its way to 20+ weeks at #1

kimberly

Kim already compiles an iconic chart that out-talents and out-sells the Hot 100 every single week. 💅

pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/191053/kimberly-weekly

[algo]

i'm really not sure what to make of the recent onslaught of #1 debuts. a lot of them really don't feel like the biggest song of the week, and an interesting statistic i recently dug up is that the last time a song that climbed to #1 and got replaced by another song that climbed to #1 was the box vs blinding lights in april of 2020. (this excludes the bts remix of savage love that propelled it to the top for a single week before it fell right back down to the latter half of the top ten)

its obviously fair that if a certain song builds up enough hype and streams to earn the points to go #1, it should, but it really takes away the value of being there especially when they're forgotten completely by the next week