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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 15, 2021 14:21:16 GMT -5
I mean, every artist is an underdog until they’ve won. Madonna: underdog. Rihanna: underdog. Lady Gaga: underdog. Taylor Swift: underdog. Backstreet Boys: underdogs. Michael Jackson: underdog.
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Post by kimberly on Jun 15, 2021 14:24:38 GMT -5
someone on Pulse with math skills and the know-how should make their own chart and post it here with methodology. It would be more accurate than billboard allowing Butter to scam its way to 20+ weeks at #1 your wish is my command. reorganized last week's Top 30 using numbers from TOTC and a formula that I mentioned before where: • the best-selling song gets 100 chart points, the rest of the songs get a fraction based on how their performance compares to the sales leader, • the best-streaming song gets 600 chart points, the rest of the songs get a fraction based on how their performance compares to the streaming leader, • the most radio-played song gets 300 chart points, the rest of the songs get a fraction based on how their performance compares to the airplay leader. in sum, a song that tops all three metrics in the same week would be guaranteed to be the No. 1 with 1000 points. the 1:6:3 ratio is based on industry average. you can see how it differs from the actual Hot 100 (dated 6/19) in the second column.  |
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Post by meg on Jun 15, 2021 14:27:52 GMT -5
I mean, every artist is an underdog until they’ve won. Madonna: underdog. Rihanna: underdog. Lady Gaga: underdog. Taylor Swift: underdog. Backstreet Boys: underdogs. Michael Jackson: underdog. But it's not about winning. I don't know how else to explain it to you without writing really long essey here. That video shows perfectly why they are underdogs. If you are willing to watch it of course. If not, I have nothing more to say. |
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Post by Choco on Jun 15, 2021 14:28:09 GMT -5
Sorry but I need to know if "Levitating" would have hit #1 with that formula before accepting it as the new Hot 100.
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Post by samo🦕 on Jun 15, 2021 14:29:51 GMT -5
and went and made a second one! ugh her mind |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 15, 2021 14:30:37 GMT -5
That does look like a great chart there, Kimberly. I suppose I have to become more familiar with the Kimberly Weekly chart myself as well  . |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 15, 2021 14:31:02 GMT -5
I mean, every artist is an underdog until they’ve won. Madonna: underdog. Rihanna: underdog. Lady Gaga: underdog. Taylor Swift: underdog. Backstreet Boys: underdogs. Michael Jackson: underdog. But it's not about winning. I don't know how else to explain it to you without writing really long essey here. That video shows perfectly why they are underdogs. If you are willing to watch it of course. If not, I have nothing more to say. Every fanbase can say the same about their artist. To me, Gaga has been an underdog throughout her entire career (except for late 2009 into 2011). Doesn’t mean I’m going to rally people to rig charts in her favour (the value in chart performance is so insignificant to the larger story tbh). I bet the chart obsession and manipulation will ultimate hurt more than help in the long run. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 15, 2021 14:39:42 GMT -5
Last thing I'll say on the topic of BTS, but what I can't seem to understand is how a boy band which from the very beginning, saw considerable levels of local and (eventually) massive global success, can have a legion of fans that are relentless in their need to paint them as unfortunate underdogs. I'm tired myself of that constent arguing about BTS and sales so I'm not gonna do that. But I just want to quickly explain one thing. BTS are underdogs. Yeah they are super rich and popular now but they were literally invisible for first 2-3 years so I don't know where did you get this info they were popular from the beginning. They were blacklisted by big companies and media. The level of their success will never change the fact that they come from nothing and raised to the top naturally. That's a underdog story. And to understand that I would tell you all to watch this. Someone having an underdog story is different from them currently being an underdog. Nearly everyone who comes along is an underdog at some point, but that doesn't mean they are an underdog the rest of their lives. (I mean that separate from their own mentality as some people will forever have an underdog or victim mentality regardless of objective reality.) Hell "All I Want for Christmas is You" was an underdog new holiday song at the time of its release since so few new holiday songs become a standard, but it's by no means still an underdog holiday song lmao. |
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Post by kimberly on Jun 15, 2021 14:41:21 GMT -5
Sorry but I need to know if "Levitating" would have hit #1 with that formula before accepting it as the new Hot 100. yes. that week's top ten would look like this (without checking for songs below the Top 10 that could potentially make it in with this formula):  (I used the official numbers from Billboard's very late Hot 100 article for the top 2, TOTC for the rest) |
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Post by meg on Jun 15, 2021 14:43:06 GMT -5
But it's not about winning. I don't know how else to explain it to you without writing really long essey here. That video shows perfectly why they are underdogs. If you are willing to watch it of course. If not, I have nothing more to say. Every fanbase can say the same about their artist. To me, Gaga has been an underdog throughout her entire career (except for late 2009 into 2011). Doesn’t mean I’m going to rally people to rig charts in her favour (the value in chart performance is so insignificant to the larger story tbh). I bet the chart obsession and manipulation will ultimate hurt more than help in the long run. {Okay I will put it in the spoiler so it would not annoy everyone}
Did Gaga debuted by accident because someone else couldn't perform that day so she was a filler. Did she was cut from brodcasts or her performance shortened? Did she slept in one room that flood with water all the time with 6 other people? Did she was blacklisted from media because she was small and her company had no power? Did she was constantly accused for plagiarism over clothers and hair colors to the point that she has to go to court? Or being accused of buying your own albums? Did she had to cancel her concert over death threads? Did she had to change in font of bathrooms even when she was already winning big awards because only artists from big companies had waiting rooms? That happened in 2017 when they were already big. There's hundreds of examples like this. They recorded their first album in a smelly dirty garage. They had to go the bathroom to a near store because their bathroom keep overflowing. One of them had a car accidend, never said anything because he was afraid they will let him go and still worked two jobs, went to school and then had dance practices. And he finally had arm surgery last year. After 7 years after the accident. Thisi is what basically was in this video. |
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Post by algo on Jun 15, 2021 14:48:32 GMT -5
tate mccrae is getting a lot more label support than i would've imagined. i've always seen her as someone who has one hit most people thought was kinda medicore and then goes onto be loved by pop fans after she's done in the mainstream, but working with khalid is definitely something that could jumpstart a genuine career
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 15, 2021 14:55:08 GMT -5
I have written about it here before, but don't think Khalid guarantees a hit even to himself any more, let alone anyone else.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 15, 2021 15:05:31 GMT -5
Every fanbase can say the same about their artist. To me, Gaga has been an underdog throughout her entire career (except for late 2009 into 2011). Doesn’t mean I’m going to rally people to rig charts in her favour (the value in chart performance is so insignificant to the larger story tbh). I bet the chart obsession and manipulation will ultimate hurt more than help in the long run. {Okay I will put it in the spoiler so it would not annoy everyone}
Did Gaga debuted by accident because someone else couldn't perform that day so she was a filler. Did she was cut from brodcasts or her performance shortened? Did she slept in one room that flood with water all the time with 6 other people? Did she was blacklisted from media because she was small and her company had no power? Did she was constantly accused for plagiarism over clothers and hair colors to the point that she has to go to court? Or being accused of buying your own albums? Did she had to cancel her concert over death threads? Did she had to change in font of bathrooms even when she was already winning big awards because only artists from big companies had waiting rooms? That happened in 2017 when they were already big. There's hundreds of examples like this. They recorded their first album in a smelly dirty garage. They had to go the bathroom to a near store because their bathroom keep overflowing. One of them had a car accidend, never said anything because he was afraid they will let him go and still worked two jobs, went to school and then had dance practices. And he finally had arm surgery last year. After 7 years after the accident. Thisi is what basically was in this video. What does most of this have to do with where BTS stands in 2021? This is what annoys me about the BTS fans with whom I've engaged; they don't stick to relevant points. On here and in Twitter I keep being told how popular they are globally even when the discussion is about a U.S. chart. Their popularity in other regions is irrelevant to the Hot 100. And now you're posting about stuff from 2017 as if it's relevant in a discussion about whether they are underdogs in 2021 (i.e. 4 years later). |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 15, 2021 15:10:02 GMT -5
Once you are an underdog, you often stay an underdog in your own mind long after those conditions no longer exist.
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Post by Taylor. on Jun 15, 2021 15:15:45 GMT -5
Every fanbase can say the same about their artist. To me, Gaga has been an underdog throughout her entire career (except for late 2009 into 2011). Doesn’t mean I’m going to rally people to rig charts in her favour (the value in chart performance is so insignificant to the larger story tbh). I bet the chart obsession and manipulation will ultimate hurt more than help in the long run. {Okay I will put it in the spoiler so it would not annoy everyone}
Did Gaga debuted by accident because someone else couldn't perform that day so she was a filler. Did she was cut from brodcasts or her performance shortened? Did she slept in one room that flood with water all the time with 6 other people? Did she was blacklisted from media because she was small and her company had no power? Did she was constantly accused for plagiarism over clothers and hair colors to the point that she has to go to court? Or being accused of buying your own albums? Did she had to cancel her concert over death threads? Did she had to change in font of bathrooms even when she was already winning big awards because only artists from big companies had waiting rooms? That happened in 2017 when they were already big. There's hundreds of examples like this. They recorded their first album in a smelly dirty garage. They had to go the bathroom to a near store because their bathroom keep overflowing. One of them had a car accidend, never said anything because he was afraid they will let him go and still worked two jobs, went to school and then had dance practices. And he finally had arm surgery last year. After 7 years after the accident. Thisi is what basically was in this video. did bts have a facebook group made about how they will never be famous? no? checkmate. gaga under-underdog confirmed. |
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Post by Gary on Jun 15, 2021 15:17:11 GMT -5
on the topic of whether "Butter" is organic or not  |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 15, 2021 15:19:58 GMT -5
Once you are an underdog, you often stay an underdog in your own mind long after those conditions no longer exist. In that case, Blinding Lights is still an underdog. |
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Post by meg on Jun 15, 2021 15:21:08 GMT -5
{Okay I will put it in the spoiler so it would not annoy everyone}
Did Gaga debuted by accident because someone else couldn't perform that day so she was a filler. Did she was cut from brodcasts or her performance shortened? Did she slept in one room that flood with water all the time with 6 other people? Did she was blacklisted from media because she was small and her company had no power? Did she was constantly accused for plagiarism over clothers and hair colors to the point that she has to go to court? Or being accused of buying your own albums? Did she had to cancel her concert over death threads? Did she had to change in font of bathrooms even when she was already winning big awards because only artists from big companies had waiting rooms? That happened in 2017 when they were already big. There's hundreds of examples like this. They recorded their first album in a smelly dirty garage. They had to go the bathroom to a near store because their bathroom keep overflowing. One of them had a car accidend, never said anything because he was afraid they will let him go and still worked two jobs, went to school and then had dance practices. And he finally had arm surgery last year. After 7 years after the accident. Thisi is what basically was in this video. did bts have a facebook group made about how they will never be famous? no? checkmate. gaga under-underdog confirmed. Did she had people crashing Blue House (you know where Korean president lives) site by signing pettition to disband them because they won an award that always groups from big companies were winning? Even better. Did she had japanese nazis planning to go to her fanmeeting and kill her because she wore a shirt with Korean liberation sign and antis used it to create big internatonal scandal and endanger her live? Yup literal nazis. I won. Edit. Also BTS keep calling themself underdogs. They see each other that way. So who am I to argue with them. |
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Post by Taylor. on Jun 15, 2021 15:26:25 GMT -5
did bts have a facebook group made about how they will never be famous? no? checkmate. gaga under-underdog confirmed. Did she had people crashing Blue House (you know where Korean president lives) site by signing pettition to disband them because they won an award that always groups from big companies were winning? Even better. Did she had japanese nazis planning to go to her fanmeeting and kill her because she wore a shirt with Korean liberation sign and antis used it to create big internatonal scandal and endanger her live? Yup literal nazis. I won. gaga was in multiple rooms with 100 people and only ONE PERSON believed in her so... |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 15, 2021 15:26:28 GMT -5
on the topic of whether "Butter" is organic or not  Lorde as organic confirmed. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 15, 2021 15:31:32 GMT -5
Once you are an underdog, you often stay an underdog in your own mind long after those conditions no longer exist. Yes, but that doesn't mean it's objectively true. This recent discussion stemmed from someone questioning BTS fans painting them as underdogs. What is even the point at this point? Considering BTS stans go out of their way to talk about BTS' global success, it seems contradictory to also paint them as underdogs. Regardless, even if they are somehow underdogs, so tf what? Do they get a cookie for it? Also, is there anyone alive who doesn't feel like an underdog on some level? I think the hardcore fans of nearly every artist/athlete would give you some explanation for why that artist/athlete is an underdog lol. |
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Post by Mayman on Jun 15, 2021 15:31:51 GMT -5
on the topic of whether "Butter" is organic or not I think this is the first time I've ever seen Gary attempt to use humor. Congrats! |
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Jun 15, 2021 15:37:09 GMT -5
Last thing I'll say on the topic of BTS, but what I can't seem to understand is how a boy band which from the very beginning, saw considerable levels of local and (eventually) massive global success, can have a legion of fans that are relentless in their need to paint them as unfortunate underdogs. I'm tired myself of that constent arguing about BTS and sales so I'm not gonna do that. But I just want to quickly explain one thing. BTS are underdogs. Yeah they are super rich and popular now but they were literally invisible for first 2-3 years so I don't know where did you get this info they were popular from the beginning. They were blacklisted by big companies and media. The level of their success will never change the fact that they come from nothing and raised to the top naturally. That's a underdog story. And to understand that I would tell you all to watch this. Also this is what one of them said just few days ago. And that's why their fans are like that. That's all. The end of esseys.    Ya'll hear somethin? |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 15, 2021 15:37:56 GMT -5
Once you are an underdog, you often stay an underdog in your own mind long after those conditions no longer exist. Yes, but that doesn't mean it's objectively true. This recent discussion stemmed from someone questioning BTS fans painting them as underdogs. What is even the point at this point? Considering BTS stans go out of their way to talk about BTS' global success, it seems contradictory to also paint them as underdogs. Regardless, even if they are somehow underdogs, so tf what? Do they get a cookie for it? Also, is there anyone alive who doesn't feel like an underdog on some level? I think the hardcore fans of nearly every artist/athlete would give you some explanation for why that artist/athlete is an underdog lol. That was precisely my point. |
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Post by kierz7 on Jun 15, 2021 15:41:29 GMT -5
I'm just now catching up. When will we get back to having a #1 that is actually the most popular song? When Rihanna or Adele release their lead single. |
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Post by wavey. on Jun 15, 2021 15:42:44 GMT -5
I love BTS, but at this point, another #1 needs to happen soon. THEM and the fans[not stans] just catching strays.  |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 15, 2021 15:47:42 GMT -5
Did she had people crashing Blue House (you know where Korean president lives) site by signing pettition to disband them because they won an award that always groups from big companies were winning? Even better. Did she had japanese nazis planning to go to her fanmeeting and kill her because she wore a shirt with Korean liberation sign and antis used it to create big internatonal scandal and endanger her live? Yup literal nazis. I won. gaga was in multiple rooms with 100 people and only ONE PERSON believed in her so... 😂😂😂 I’m done |
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Post by Groovy on Jun 15, 2021 15:50:48 GMT -5
tate mccrae is getting a lot more label support than i would've imagined. i've always seen her as someone who has one hit most people thought was kinda medicore and then goes onto be loved by pop fans after she's done in the mainstream, but working with khalid is definitely something that could jumpstart a genuine career They're trying real hard to make Tate McRae a thing. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jun 15, 2021 15:51:16 GMT -5
How we pretending BTS are underdogs? Literally every media source goes out of their way to fellate them at all costs 😪. Billboard has literally let them cheat their way to number one 3 times just for clicks.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 15, 2021 16:04:50 GMT -5
How we pretending BTS are underdogs? Literally every media source goes out of their way to fellate them at all costs 😪. Billboard has literally let them cheat their way to number one 3 times just for clicks. "We" aren't pretending, just BTS and the fans who are codependent on them. |
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