Billboard Hot 100: 07/10/2021

[rihannabiggestfan]

Jul 7, 2021 6:37:27 GMT -5 wavey. said:

I'm glad to see Nelly still charting!

and Lil Bit consistently rising   so far, it only fell 1 week out of the 15 its charted 

[wavey.]

Jul 7, 2021 13:53:44 GMT -5 rihannabiggestfan said:

Jul 7, 2021 6:37:27 GMT -5 wavey. said:

I'm glad to see Nelly still charting!

and Lil Bit consistently rising   so far, it only fell 1 week out of the 15 its charted 

Slow burners!

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 6, 2021 23:55:03 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jul 6, 2021 23:49:43 GMT -5 Abbaschand said:

How the?

I'm guessing because Urban's still trying to push on country radio, though it's getting passed up by bigger hits from Thomas Rhett, Luke Bryan, and Lainey Wilson.

At this point, it's getting ridiculous. Billboard needs to let go of One Too Many already. It's been over 40 weeks since OTM has debuted on the Hot 100. If it hasn't broken through already, it probably never will. There are songs much newer than OTM that have gone to recurrency.

[nathanalbright]

I love how One Too Many is living up to its name in so many ways.

[iggyamo]

Jul 7, 2021 18:10:57 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 6, 2021 23:55:03 GMT -5 Naos said:

I'm guessing because Urban's still trying to push on country radio, though it's getting passed up by bigger hits from Thomas Rhett, Luke Bryan, and Lainey Wilson.

At this point, it's getting ridiculous. Billboard needs to let go of One Too Many already. It's been over 40 weeks since OTM has debuted on the Hot 100. If it hasn't broken through already, it probably never will. There are songs much newer than OTM that have gone to recurrency.

Between One Too Money and Glad You exist avoiding recurrency, there has to be something going on between Nashville and Billboard

[dremolus - solarpunk]

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 7, 2021 18:10:57 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 6, 2021 23:55:03 GMT -5 Naos said:

I'm guessing because Urban's still trying to push on country radio, though it's getting passed up by bigger hits from Thomas Rhett, Luke Bryan, and Lainey Wilson.

At this point, it's getting ridiculous. Billboard needs to let go of One Too Many already. It's been over 40 weeks since OTM has debuted on the Hot 100. If it hasn't broken through already, it probably never will. There are songs much newer than OTM that have gone to recurrency.

Is the song still gaining in any metric? Why should it get removed if it’s still an active single that isn’t losing across all metrics? Even if it doesn’t peak much higher, that has nothing to do with this chart week. We know country as a radio format is slow also and country hits that don’t crossover have a ceiling anyway so it’s going to gain until it peaks and then it’ll drop.

[Gary]

for all the lingering ongoing questions about recurrency, BTS or any charts

This is what appears at the top of every Ask Billboard writeup

Submit questions about Billboard charts, as well as general music musings, to [e-mail]. Please include your first and last name, as well as your city, state and country, if outside the U.S.

Or, tweet @gthot20.

[Mayman]

Jul 8, 2021 7:44:07 GMT -5 Gary said:

for all the lingering ongoing questions about recurrency, BTS or any charts

This is what appears at the top of every Ask Billboard writeup

Submit questions about Billboard charts, as well as general music musings, to [e-mail]. Please include your first and last name, as well as your city, state and country, if outside the U.S.

Or, tweet @gthot20.

Gary, please stop. People are discussing music and charts on a music and charts discussion forum.

Why don't you use that email to try applying for a Billboard job again? Or are you afraid that your years of acting like Gary Trust will scare them away once again?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 8, 2021 7:44:07 GMT -5 Gary said:

for all the lingering ongoing questions about recurrency, BTS or any charts

This is what appears at the top of every Ask Billboard writeup

Submit questions about Billboard charts, as well as general music musings, to [e-mail]. Please include your first and last name, as well as your city, state and country, if outside the U.S.

Or, tweet @gthot20.

y'know I'm tired of you complaining about people talking about the charts on a chart discussions forum so I just want to plainly ask: are there any problems you have with Billboard's charts?

Just so I know you're not a complete bootlicker

[Mayman]

Jul 8, 2021 8:12:55 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jul 8, 2021 7:44:07 GMT -5 Gary said:

for all the lingering ongoing questions about recurrency, BTS or any charts

This is what appears at the top of every Ask Billboard writeup

y'know I'm tired of you complaining about people talking about the charts on a chart discussions forum so I just want to plainly ask: are there any problems you have with Billboard's charts?

Just so I know you're not a complete bootlicker

Gary has no opinions unfortunately, unless you consider repeating over and over that Mariah has the biggest fall from #1 (when that's not true) an opinion.

[Groovy]

Jul 8, 2021 7:33:33 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Not Mark hating Beggin’

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Jul 8, 2021 7:39:48 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jul 7, 2021 18:10:57 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

At this point, it's getting ridiculous. Billboard needs to let go of One Too Many already. It's been over 40 weeks since OTM has debuted on the Hot 100. If it hasn't broken through already, it probably never will. There are songs much newer than OTM that have gone to recurrency.

Is the song still gaining in any metric? Why should it get removed if it’s still an active single that isn’t losing across all metrics? Even if it doesn’t peak much higher, that has nothing to do with this chart week. We know country as a radio format is slow also and country hits that don’t crossover have a ceiling anyway so it’s going to gain until it peaks and then it’ll drop.

It rose 47-43 on Radio Songs, but with no bullet. It shouldn't be charting if it is based on a hope that it rises on future weeks rather than the week in question. Regarding the two other components, since it didn't chart in either, there's no way to know.

[rimetm]

One Too Many has a bullet on Country Airplay this week, and since that is the song’s primary format, it’s the third place it can have a bullet in order maintain its Hot 100 eligibility.

[Gary]

It could have also been granted another 20 week run since it was leaking so late.

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 8, 2021 9:33:36 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Jul 8, 2021 7:39:48 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Is the song still gaining in any metric? Why should it get removed if it’s still an active single that isn’t losing across all metrics? Even if it doesn’t peak much higher, that has nothing to do with this chart week. We know country as a radio format is slow also and country hits that don’t crossover have a ceiling anyway so it’s going to gain until it peaks and then it’ll drop.

It rose 47-43 on Radio Songs, but with no bullet. It shouldn't be charting if it is based on a hope that it rises on future weeks rather than the week in question. Regarding the two other components, since it didn't chart in either, there's no way to know.

I agree, and Billboard can go further by modifying the 25/52 rule to 25/40, so that songs like Mood and MEBF don’t clog up the charts. Three fresh songs from the Bubbling Under could have had the spots occupied by OTM, Mood, and MEBF.

[mms82]

Jul 8, 2021 10:08:14 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 8, 2021 9:33:36 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

It rose 47-43 on Radio Songs, but with no bullet. It shouldn't be charting if it is based on a hope that it rises on future weeks rather than the week in question. Regarding the two other components, since it didn't chart in either, there's no way to know.

I agree, and Billboard can go further by modifying the 25/52 rule to 25/40, so that songs like Mood and MEBF don’t clog up the charts. Three fresh songs from the Bubbling Under could have had the spots occupied by OTM, Mood, and MEBF.

I don't agree with tightening recurrence rules at all — like I get the industry reasoning for not having Uptown Funk still chart occasionally 6 years later and to not have Perfect be going into Year 4 on the charts, but if they're the biggest songs in America even in the 75-100 range they deserve that recognition

[grandeflipper]

Jul 7, 2021 1:46:00 GMT -5 borneoman said:

I really don't get where the money comes from? how come these young fans own so much cash to throw away week in week out buying the same song again and again...and not only that then give money to finance other people's sales... and it's very young people... doesn't add up imho... when I was a kid I could buy like 1 single a month...

Personally it's the same situation as this Kalimaya in the UK, where her husband is some Russian millionaire and he was buying thousands of copies on iTunes at once
but of course the OCC disqualified those sales...

Well, right off the bat, your assumptions about the demographics of Army are COMPLETELY wrong. The largest block of the entire fanbase is in the 28-40 age range. Generally speaking, ADULTS in that age range are working class citizens and have already been and gone through college and are smack in the middle of their careers, with kids and families. I have a few friends who are Army and one is a Director of Sales for a really big marketing company, one is a lawyer, and another is an accountant and we are all in this demographic--and each of them makes six figures. This is all disposable income to them. They are not emptying their life savings into buying singles, I can assure you that. When their US stadium tour sells out at presale in minutes, this is the demo that is doing it. When their merchandise sells out in seconds, this is the demo that is doing it. Does the fanbase have a block of young teens and children? Of course it does. But that block is not the ones doing the damage you are complaining about. 

[mms82]

Jul 8, 2021 10:10:35 GMT -5 grandeflipper said:

Jul 7, 2021 1:46:00 GMT -5 borneoman said:

I really don't get where the money comes from? how come these young fans own so much cash to throw away week in week out buying the same song again and again...and not only that then give money to finance other people's sales... and it's very young people... doesn't add up imho... when I was a kid I could buy like 1 single a month...

Personally it's the same situation as this Kalimaya in the UK, where her husband is some Russian millionaire and he was buying thousands of copies on iTunes at once
but of course the OCC disqualified those sales...

Well, right off the bat, your assumptions about the demographics of Army are COMPLETELY wrong. The largest block of the entire fanbase is in the 28-40 age range. Generally speaking, ADULTS in that age range are working class citizens and have already been and gone through college and are smack in the middle of their careers, with kids and families. I have a few friends who are Army and one is a Director of Sales for a really big marketing company, one is a lawyer, and another is an accountant and we are all in this demographic--and each of them makes six figures. This is all disposable income to them. They are not emptying their life savings into buying singles, I can assure you that. When their US stadium tour sells out at presale in minutes, this is the demo that is doing it. When their merchandise sells out in seconds, this is the demo that is doing it. Does the fanbase have a block of young teens and children? Of course it does. But that block is not the ones doing the damage you are complaining about. 

people always use this to defend Army mass buying, but like to me it makes it seem more pathetic? like if it was a bunch of kids organizing this I'd still be annoyed but impressed. But for people in the prime of their lives to focus their energy and resources on getting an achievement that nobody outside of Pulse and Stan Twitter knows about is just kinda sad

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 8, 2021 10:08:14 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 8, 2021 9:33:36 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

It rose 47-43 on Radio Songs, but with no bullet. It shouldn't be charting if it is based on a hope that it rises on future weeks rather than the week in question. Regarding the two other components, since it didn't chart in either, there's no way to know.

I agree, and Billboard can go further by modifying the 25/52 rule to 25/40, so that songs like Mood and MEBF don’t clog up the charts. Three fresh songs from the Bubbling Under could have had the spots occupied by OTM, Mood, and MEBF.

Man doesn't want old songs clogging up the charts, also wants Blinding Lights to chart for eternity

[HolidayGuy]

Mayman- not necessarily. But mass buying has gone on with other acts, as well (especially in the past). People act like "Butter" is nonexistent or faring poorly in other metrics- it was top 20 in streaming until this chart week, and it's No. 23 in airplay.

I am not a BTS fan, so none of this makes much difference to me. But, all acts have the opportunity to have their singles priced at 69 cents and also to release various mixes, CD singles, etc. to play the chart game. Even if someone sends money to another fan- that fan has to take action and make the purchase. All fan "antics" fall perfectly within the rules, unless Billboard sees an anomaly (like, one fan purchasing x number of copies in a week).

[grandeflipper]

Jul 8, 2021 10:13:48 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Jul 8, 2021 10:10:35 GMT -5 grandeflipper said:

Well, right off the bat, your assumptions about the demographics of Army are COMPLETELY wrong. The largest block of the entire fanbase is in the 28-40 age range. Generally speaking, ADULTS in that age range are working class citizens and have already been and gone through college and are smack in the middle of their careers, with kids and families. I have a few friends who are Army and one is a Director of Sales for a really big marketing company, one is a lawyer, and another is an accountant and we are all in this demographic--and each of them makes six figures. This is all disposable income to them. They are not emptying their life savings into buying singles, I can assure you that. When their US stadium tour sells out at presale in minutes, this is the demo that is doing it. When their merchandise sells out in seconds, this is the demo that is doing it. Does the fanbase have a block of young teens and children? Of course it does. But that block is not the ones doing the damage you are complaining about. 

people always use this to defend Army mass buying, but like to me it makes it seem more pathetic? like if it was a bunch of kids organizing this I'd still be annoyed but impressed. But for people in the prime of their lives to focus their energy and resources on getting an achievement that nobody outside of Pulse and Stan Twitter knows about is just kinda sad

I'm not defending anyone. I never said anything about whether mass buying BY ANY DEMOGRAPHIC was right or wrong. I was just making a correction about an incorrect assumption that someone had about WHO was doing it. And clearly my post is indicative of that so just keep it moving. 

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 8, 2021 10:19:43 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jul 8, 2021 10:08:14 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I agree, and Billboard can go further by modifying the 25/52 rule to 25/40, so that songs like Mood and MEBF don’t clog up the charts. Three fresh songs from the Bubbling Under could have had the spots occupied by OTM, Mood, and MEBF.

Man doesn't want old songs clogging up the charts, also wants Blinding Lights to chart for eternity

The difference is that Blinding Lights still feels strong and impactful. You don’t get that with OTM, Mood, or MEBF.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 8, 2021 10:29:04 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 8, 2021 10:19:43 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Man doesn't want old songs clogging up the charts, also wants Blinding Lights to chart for eternity

The difference is that Blinding Lights still feels strong and impactful. You don’t get that with OTM, Mood, or MEBF.

This is all subjective lmao

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 8, 2021 10:33:37 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jul 8, 2021 10:29:04 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

The difference is that Blinding Lights still feels strong and impactful. You don’t get that with OTM, Mood, or MEBF.

This is all subjective lmao

What’s factual and not subjective is that BL has been in the Top 15 two out of the past 4 weeks, including charting above every single track on the Lil Durk/Lil Baby album in one of those weeks, while Mood and MEBF have been bouncing around the 30s, and OTM has been bouncing around the 60s and 70s during this time.

[Mayman]

Jul 8, 2021 10:21:14 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Mayman- not necessarily. But mass buying has gone on with other acts, as well (especially in the past). People act like "Butter" is nonexistent or faring poorly in other metrics- it was top 20 in streaming until this chart week, and it's No. 23 in airplay.

I am not a BTS fan, so none of this makes much difference to me. But, all acts have the opportunity to have their singles priced at 69 cents and also to release various mixes, CD singles, etc. to play the chart game. Even if someone sends money to another fan- that fan has to take action and make the purchase. All fan "antics" fall perfectly within the rules, unless Billboard sees an anomaly (like, one fan purchasing x number of copies in a week).

Yes but buying 24 digital copies of a song in one week is manipulation. Having people send others money from completely different countries so that they can buy their 24 copies to count towards the chart is another form of manipulation. Sure, it counts, but just about everyone here is saying that it shouldn't.

You're telling me that a song OUT of the top 20 on both streams and airplay, as well as OUT of the top 40 on iTunes should be #1 because of a few thousand people should be #1? A few thousand people buying 24 copies of a song should outweigh the MILLIONS of people streaming Levitating, Good 4 U, and Kiss Me More every week? No.

[Mayman]

Jul 8, 2021 10:10:35 GMT -5 grandeflipper said:

Jul 7, 2021 1:46:00 GMT -5 borneoman said:

I really don't get where the money comes from? how come these young fans own so much cash to throw away week in week out buying the same song again and again...and not only that then give money to finance other people's sales... and it's very young people... doesn't add up imho... when I was a kid I could buy like 1 single a month...

Personally it's the same situation as this Kalimaya in the UK, where her husband is some Russian millionaire and he was buying thousands of copies on iTunes at once
but of course the OCC disqualified those sales...

Well, right off the bat, your assumptions about the demographics of Army are COMPLETELY wrong. The largest block of the entire fanbase is in the 28-40 age range. Generally speaking, ADULTS in that age range are working class citizens and have already been and gone through college and are smack in the middle of their careers, with kids and families. I have a few friends who are Army and one is a Director of Sales for a really big marketing company, one is a lawyer, and another is an accountant and we are all in this demographic--and each of them makes six figures. This is all disposable income to them. They are not emptying their life savings into buying singles, I can assure you that. When their US stadium tour sells out at presale in minutes, this is the demo that is doing it. When their merchandise sells out in seconds, this is the demo that is doing it. Does the fanbase have a block of young teens and children? Of course it does. But that block is not the ones doing the damage you are complaining about. 

Grown adults buying dozens of mp3 files every week for a #1, how sad. Remember the person who used $16k of their money towards Dynamite? Even her husband and kids were confused by it.

[Groovy]

Honestly, I would love to be a part BTS’ team, these guys can be millionaires within a couple months because Army keep buying their songs and this is just in the US.

[Groovy]

A Dua Lipa/Pop Smoke collab?

[phieaglesfan712]

I think it’s going to be part of the Pop Smoke album.