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Post by mylo on Jul 8, 2021 10:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by meg on Jul 8, 2021 10:55:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I would love to be a part BTSβ team, these guys can be millionaires within a couple months because Army keep buying their songs and this is just in the US. They are already millionaires for a long time now. Also their CEO gave them shares of the company for free that are worth $20M for each. |
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Post by Groovy on Jul 8, 2021 10:59:15 GMT -5
Honestly, I would love to be a part BTSβ team, these guys can be millionaires within a couple months because Army keep buying their songs and this is just in the US. They are already millionaires for a long time now. Also their CEO gave them shares of the company for free that are worth $20M for each. Iβm speaking from an average personβs perspective, you can make life changing money with just a few weeks off of Butterβs sales alone. |
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Post by wavey. on Jul 8, 2021 11:00:27 GMT -5
Scooter is associated with BTS right?
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Post by meg on Jul 8, 2021 11:03:55 GMT -5
Scooter is associated with BTS right? Well the thing with Scooter and BTS is that Scooter's company is part of Hybe America while BTS is part of Bighit Music. Two completely different branches of Hybe. Plus Bighit Music just went private again after getting all that money which is smart because it will protect BTS from greedy people. But yes, sadly, that snake is associated with them in some way but don't have anything to do with their promotions or anything. Groovy yes I agree. It's a lot of money in hort amount of time. Wish more people would support their favourite artists like that. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 8, 2021 11:04:15 GMT -5
What we should all be studying is how BTS is able to casually emotionally manipulate their fans into doing whatever it is they can to support them. It's an art they seem to have perfected.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 8, 2021 11:06:31 GMT -5
I really don't get where the money comes from? how come these young fans own so much cash to throw away week in week out buying the same song again and again...and not only that then give money to finance other people's sales... and it's very young people... doesn't add up imho... when I was a kid I could buy like 1 single a month... Personally it's the same situation as this Kalimaya in the UK, where her husband is some Russian millionaire and he was buying thousands of copies on iTunes at once but of course the OCC disqualified those sales... Well, right off the bat, your assumptions about the demographics of Army are COMPLETELY wrong. The largest block of the entire fanbase is in the 28-40 age range. Generally speaking, ADULTS in that age range are working class citizens and have already been and gone through college and are smack in the middle of their careers, with kids and families. I have a few friends who are Army and one is a Director of Sales for a really big marketing company, one is a lawyer, and another is an accountant and we are all in this demographic--and each of them makes six figures. This is all disposable income to them. They are not emptying their life savings into buying singles, I can assure you that. When their US stadium tour sells out at presale in minutes, this is the demo that is doing it. When their merchandise sells out in seconds, this is the demo that is doing it. Does the fanbase have a block of young teens and children? Of course it does. But that block is not the ones doing the damage you are complaining about. Okay but you saying literal 40 year old directors of sales are buying 57 copies of the same song every week to manipulate the hot 100 is even more ridiculous than the other version. You realize that. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 8, 2021 11:08:31 GMT -5
What we should all be studying is how BTS is able to casually emotionally manipulate their fans into doing whatever it is they can to support them. It's an art they seem to have perfected. Gotta be some art in there somewhere. :kii: May as well be the brainwashing. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 8, 2021 11:08:57 GMT -5
What we should all be studying is how BTS is able to casually emotionally manipulate their fans into doing whatever it is they can to support them. It's an art they seem to have perfected. I wouldn't call it emotional manipulation so much as it is more ego boosting for these fans. As I said, BTS would be grateful regardless of where on the charts Butter charted. This is just enablement by the label of these games. Granted, it isn't just ARMY that are guilty of this, other standoms can be just as obssessive |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 8, 2021 11:10:10 GMT -5
What we should all be studying is how BTS is able to casually emotionally manipulate their fans into doing whatever it is they can to support them. It's an art they seem to have perfected. Gotta be some art in there somewhere. :kii: May as well be the brainwashing. I mean, it damn sure seems that way. I've had the displeasure of conversing with some really crazy BTS fans and they all seem like they're being compelled by some outwardly force into doing and saying the things they do and say. I don't know how to describe it but I imagine that's how being mentally manipulated seems like. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 8, 2021 11:11:43 GMT -5
They'll do anything for their boys π
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 8, 2021 11:13:40 GMT -5
What we should all be studying is how BTS is able to casually emotionally manipulate their fans into doing whatever it is they can to support them. It's an art they seem to have perfected. I wouldn't call it emotional manipulation so much as it is more ego boosting for these fans. As I said, BTS would be grateful regardless of where on the charts Butter charted. This is just enablement by the label of these games. Granted, it isn't just ARMY that are guilty of this, other standoms can be just as obssessive I honestly don't think it's the label at the forefront of all the mass-buying campaigns. Yes, they make all the multiple digital versions of BTS' singles available for purchase but it's really the fans themselves who set up all the funding processes and insist on other fans continuing to mass-buy. A BTS member can post something like "we'd really like to have our next single reach #1" and that automatically activates the craziness in their entire fandom. I've seen them do things for each member as a way of gifting them a birthday present or simply making their day. All I know is that there's nothing normal about how crazy seemingly normal people get when it comes to anything involving BTS. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 8, 2021 11:16:07 GMT -5
They'll do anything for their boys π And if you dare question why they do the things they do, they'll give you a history lesson on the supposed xenophobia and mistreatment BTS received for most of their career while breaking and setting music and touring records at every turn. |
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Post by meg on Jul 8, 2021 11:17:03 GMT -5
Mentally manipulated... my God. You are the one losing your minds here. If you even go out of your Mean girls wannabe personality and actually learn some history about the band and the fandom instead of seeing probably "Dark side of kpop" on youtube and come across of couple immature fans on twitter you would know. But that's too much work right?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 8, 2021 11:21:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it emotional manipulation so much as it is more ego boosting for these fans. As I said, BTS would be grateful regardless of where on the charts Butter charted. This is just enablement by the label of these games. Granted, it isn't just ARMY that are guilty of this, other standoms can be just as obssessive I honestly don't think it's the label at the forefront of all the mass-buying campaigns. Yes, they make all the multiple digital versions of BTS' singles available for purchase but it's really the fans themselves who set up all the funding processes and insist on other fans continuing to mass-buy. A BTS member can post something like "we'd really like to have our next single reach #1" and that automatically activates the craziness in their entire fandom. I've seen them do things for each member as a way of gifting them a birthday present or simply making their day. All I know is that there's nothing normal about how crazy seemingly normal people get when it comes to anything involving BTS. Sure but the label wouldn't but all of these versions available if they didn't know they had an ARMY ready to support them, hence the enablement. Again I don't there's any emotional manipulation on the part of BTS, and blaming them for the way their fans behave when they're blissfully unaware of how the charts actually work isn't the way to do it. Plus in the age of actual grooming and other psychological manipulation and abuse, I'd rather we not trivialize actual emotional manipulation |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 8, 2021 11:26:28 GMT -5
Mentally manipulated... my God. You are the one losing your minds here. If you even go out of your Mean girls wannabe personality and actually learn some history about the band and the fandom instead of seeing probably "Dark side of kpop" on youtube and come across of couple immature fans on twitter you would know. But that's too much work right? Iβm confused as to how this is addressing in any way the current discussion. So by researching the band, weβll suddenly change our minds about fans being dangerously obsessed and brainwashed? |
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Post by meg on Jul 8, 2021 11:32:31 GMT -5
Mentally manipulated... my God. You are the one losing your minds here. If you even go out of your Mean girls wannabe personality and actually learn some history about the band and the fandom instead of seeing probably "Dark side of kpop" on youtube and come across of couple immature fans on twitter you would know. But that's too much work right? Iβm confused as to how this is addressing in any way the current discussion. So by researching the band, weβll suddenly change our minds about fans being dangerously obsessed and brainwashed? How are they brainwashed where BTS are just minding their business and they come on twitter like once a week to post a pic and not say a word? All the do is say thank you when a song chart #1 again. You have no idea how many songs they gifted their fans for free on soundcloud. And their mixtapes. Also free. If they were this chart obsessed they would all release it on streaming and purchasing sites. You say the same thing people were saying when The beatles started. And then couple of years later men decided that they are cool so they should be taken seriously. |
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Post by meg on Jul 8, 2021 11:35:43 GMT -5
Also they had really good interview yesterday when they talk about their success and what it means and how much pressure they feel because of it and I know you will not watch it but I will post it. It starts at 35:30
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 8, 2021 11:36:44 GMT -5
dremolus - solarpunk I don't think I'm trivializing anything, to be honest. Being a fan, much less a stan of another human being involves some level of compulsion due to an emotional attachment to that person. It doesn't matter whether that person is actively stoking the fires of your fandom. For whatever reason, you're attached to them and are compelled to support/defend them. That's the basis for any sort of fandom. Acts like BTS, the Beatles, Michael Jackson and Justin Bieber (at the height of Bieber fever) operate at another level because of how far their fans will go. Not to divert, but for example, when Taylor Swift rightfully called out Scooter Braun publicly, she knew exactly what kind of response that would provoke from her fans. When Nicki Minaj tags someone as a hater or an enemy, she knows how her fans will react to/attack that person. These artists aren't as oblivious to the doings of their fans as you might think. The only reason why I suggested emotional manipulation on the part of BTS or some of its members is because they have a perfect understanding of how their fans operate. Their fans will support them regardless but they know the things they can say/do to push their support into overdrive. I don't believe for one second that that's lost on them.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 8, 2021 12:05:22 GMT -5
dremolus - solarpunk I don't think I'm trivializing anything, to be honest. Being a fan, much less a stan of another human being involves some level of compulsion due to an emotional attachment to that person. It doesn't matter whether that person is actively stoking the fires of your fandom. For whatever reason, you're attached to them and are compelled to support/defend them. That's the basis for any sort of fandom. Acts like BTS, the Beatles, Michael Jackson and Justin Bieber (at the height of Bieber fever) operate at another level because of how far their fans will go. Not to divert, but for example, when Taylor Swift rightfully called out Scooter Braun publicly, she knew exactly what kind of response that would provoke from her fans. When Nicki Minaj tags someone as a hater or an enemy, she knows how her fans will react to/attack that person. These artists aren't as oblivious to the doings of their fans as you might think. The only reason why I suggested emotional manipulation on the part of BTS or some of its members is because they have a perfect understanding of how their fans operate. Their fans will support them regardless but they know the things they can say/do to push their support into overdrive. I don't believe for one second that that's lost on them. Perhaps but I just feel uncomfortable simply knowing your audience as "manipulation" of any kind. Persuasion and enablement yes, but it doesn't feel right to diagnose this as "Emotional manipulation", especially in light of celebrities actually grooming and manipulating fans. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 8, 2021 12:12:20 GMT -5
I donβt think much, if any, of the fan activity is directed by the artist. And I think thatβs true in most cases. Stan mentality is a combination of admiration-turned-obsession and competition where, when the artist achieves something, the stans feel it as their achievement too, whether they did something or not. Itβs probably not much different in sports, where this sort of thing is more expected and accepted. The exception being, of course, that sports fans canβt help their fav team win through cheating or manipulating anything.
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Post by meg on Jul 8, 2021 12:36:36 GMT -5
I know you are imagine yourelf as very knowledgeable, above all that stanning nonsense and histeria, intelligent people who just watch all that insanity on twitter like national geographic animal expert watches fascinating animal behavior. Like "oh look at those silly children buying 500 copies of a song of that little korean boyband" "oh look george some teenagers on twitter are arguing who is the new princess of pop, how pathetic of them *sips tea*". But you are just bunch of really bitter men with huge ego and mind that got stuck in 1995. You are as much laughed at on twitter as you laugh at them here. And I'm saying it only about this section of this forum. And I can't believe I'm saying it, but I agree with dremolus - solarpunk . You are using really serious issue, something that destroyed thousands of people around the world to psychoanalyse bunch of fans. It's gross. You have no knowlege in this, so you have no right to say all of it. |
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Post by garrettlen on Jul 8, 2021 12:53:52 GMT -5
Iβm confused as to how this is addressing in any way the current discussion. So by researching the band, weβll suddenly change our minds about fans being dangerously obsessed and brainwashed? How are they brainwashed where BTS are just minding their business and they come on twitter like once a week to post a pic and not say a word? All the do is say thank you when a song chart #1 again. You have no idea how many songs they gifted their fans for free on soundcloud. And their mixtapes. Also free. If they were this charted obsessed they would all release it on streaming and purchasing sites. You say the same thing people were saying when The beatles started. Roy And then couple of years later men decided that they are cool so they should be taken seriously. With all due respect, yes the Beatles had some crazy fans back in their day, but they were teenagers, not 40 year old adults with disposable income. |
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Post by edward on Jul 8, 2021 13:17:56 GMT -5
God this is a mess, people are just not gonna change their opinions, so what's the point of talking about bts fans' obsessive behavior again and again here
guys? Most of the people here agree with this already, and more talk of this won't ever change meg's opinion.
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Post by mms82 on Jul 8, 2021 13:24:18 GMT -5
in non BTS news
when was the last time an Italian charted? or a Dane? I think MΓ₯neskin probably broke some long droughts
(Iβd bet MΓΈ was the last Dane)
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Post by lazer on Jul 8, 2021 13:35:19 GMT -5
The MΓ₯neskin members are based in Italy. Their band name is Danish.
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Post by gikem on Jul 8, 2021 13:37:15 GMT -5
in non BTS news when was the last time an Italian charted? or a Dane? I think MΓ₯neskin probably broke some long droughts (Iβd bet MΓΈ was the last Dane) In terms of Danes, Lukas Graham last charted in early 2019. |
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Jul 8, 2021 14:12:36 GMT -5
One Too Many charting for 29 weeks without ever hitting the top 60 is CRAZY. It seems like no other song in history has done that? A record!
The lowest peaking song prior to this that I can think of (that charted for at least 29 weeks) is "El Perdon (Forgiveness)" by Nicky Jam & Enrique Iglesias, which charted for 30 weeks and peaked at #56
(Honorable mention to "The Rockafeller Skank" by Fatboy Slim, which charted for 27 weeks and peaked at #76)
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