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Post by rimetm on Jul 16, 2021 11:04:54 GMT -5
I’d also say part of the blame is on Billboard for having a formula that counts website sales (and weighs heavily sales in general), while not counting UGC, which makes it easier for BTS stans to steal extra weeks at #1, or even artists like Travis Scott to score illegitimate #1’s with Franchise. Billboard could make a few tweaks like bring back UGC and downweigh sales or remove website sales altogether to make it harder for sales heavy songs to get higher positions than they deserve on the charts. Here's my question. Is the Hot 100 meant to be a REVENUE chart or a popularity chart? If the latter then they need to adjust formulas. But if it's what song is making the most money for its label then I would assume BTS songs are raking in the most money week on week for their label, which is what the industry would care most about. No, even if it's a revenue chart, Billboard's formula is off. Relative to what the RIAA deems stream equivalence, Billboard weighs sales about double. Rolling Stone is close to RIAA's standard, and on their song chart (which includes at least digital D2C), Good 4 U has kept Butter at bay so far. |
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Post by BostonBoyChris on Jul 16, 2021 11:10:15 GMT -5
I’d also say part of the blame is on Billboard for having a formula that counts website sales (and weighs heavily sales in general), while not counting UGC, which makes it easier for BTS stans to steal extra weeks at #1, or even artists like Travis Scott to score illegitimate #1’s with Franchise. Billboard could make a few tweaks like bring back UGC and downweigh sales or remove website sales altogether to make it harder for sales heavy songs to get higher positions than they deserve on the charts. Here's my question. Is the Hot 100 meant to be a REVENUE chart or a popularity chart? If the latter then they need to adjust formulas. But if it's what song is making the most money for its label then I would assume BTS songs are raking in the most money week on week for their label, which is what the industry would care most about. If it were meant to be a revenue chart, it would be an American revenue chart and the money in question is not American. When people were mass buying in the 90s, someone wasn't flying from a foreign country every week to buy physicals at a store. |
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Post by Choco on Jul 16, 2021 11:13:07 GMT -5
Here's my question. Is the Hot 100 meant to be a REVENUE chart or a popularity chart? If the latter then they need to adjust formulas. But if it's what song is making the most money for its label then I would assume BTS songs are raking in the most money week on week for their label, which is what the industry would care most about. No, even if it's a revenue chart, Billboard's formula is off. Relative to what the RIAA deems stream equivalence, Billboard weighs sales about double. Rolling Stone is close to RIAA's standard, and on their song chart (which includes at least digital D2C), Good 4 U has kept Butter at bay so far. "good 4 u" has also kept "Botter" at bay on that SPS chart that Billboard compiles (or is it just Nielsen? idk). It's just that sales are weighed too heavily on the actual Hot 100. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 16, 2021 11:17:37 GMT -5
^Especially when BTS songs are being sold at a discount.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 16, 2021 12:10:04 GMT -5
US Spotify - 07/15/21
1(=) The Kid LAROI - Stay 2,272,597 (+29,615)
2(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 1,742,366 (+23,526)
3(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 1,203,779 (+16,099)
4(=) Post Malone - Motley Crew 1,067,149 (-46,416)
5(=) Måneskin - Beggin' 1,032,104 (+12,022)
6(=) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 950,122 (+10,485)
7(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 934,620 (+13,570)
8(+1) Doja Cat - Ain't Shit 931,291 (+17,581)
9(-1) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 919,680 (-868)
10(+1) Dua Lipa - Levitating 898,113 (+10,532)
Others:
11(-1) Polo G - RAPSTAR 894,872 (-10,223)
12(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 855,354 (+6,146)
13(=) Drake - Wants and Needs 751,871 +-3,288)
14(+1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 736,290 (+14,564)
15(-1) Megan Thee Stallion - Thot Shit 727,424 (+723)
16(=) Olivia Rodrigo - favorite crime 698,311 (-10,494)
17(+1) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 674,590 (+2,804)
18(+2) Justin Bieber - Peaches 662,520 (+7,955)
19(=) Bad Bunny - Yonaguni 662,453 (+513)
20(+4) Doja Cat - Need to Know 644,438 (+42,193)
21(-4) Billie Eilish - NDA 630,417 (-42,312)
22(=) Olivia Rodrigo - happier 623,234 (+382)
24(-3) BTS - Permission to Dance 604,887 (-18,856)
25(=) Olivia Rodrigo - brutal 584,240 (+5,704)
26(=) BTS - Butter 568,686 (+1,159)
27(+3) Rauw Alejandro - Todo De Ti 549,355 (+10,418)
28(-1) Olivia Rodrigo - jealousy, jealousy 548,222 (+1,044)
29(-1) Masked Wolf - Astronaut In The Ocean 547,468 (+2,232)
30(-1) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Leave the Door Open 543,866 (+3,134)
31(=) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 536,770 (+2,364)
32(+1) WILLOW - t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l 525,885 (+351)
33(-1) Tyler The Creator, YoungBoy Never Broke Again, Ty Dolla $ign - WUSYANAME 516,143 (-14,062)
34(=) DaBaby - Red Light Green Light 514,485 (-9,414)
35(=) DaBaby - Ball If I Want To 482,178 (+12,307)
36(=) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 468,468 (-558)
37(=) Trippie Redd - Miss the Rage 452,316 (-7,217)
38(=) Cochise, $NOT - Tell Em 449,894 (+916)
39(+1) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 447,996 (+10,849)
41(=) Surf Curse - Freaks 435,368 (+4,591)
42(=) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET 426,939 (+1,181)
43(=) Maroon 5 - Beautiful Mistakes 425,777 (+4,343)
44(+5) Måneskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE 425,359 (+22,890)
45(+3) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 416,312 (+12,165)
46(+1) Saweetie - Best Friend 411,873 (+6,153)
47(-3) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 410,404 (-1,860)
48(-3) Olivia Rodrigo - enough for you 408,902 (-541)
49(-3) BIA - WHOLE LOTTA MONEY Remix 405,215 (-1,164)
50(+5) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 403,352 (+36,326)
53(=) Kali Uchis - telepatía 380,713 (+1,474)
55(+2) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 370,113 (+7,719)
56(-5) Kane Brown, blackbear - Memory 367,736 (-14,447)
62(+3) Bo Burnham - Bezos I 355,521 (+9,925)
63(-2) J. Cole - m y . l i f e 344,581 (+1,612)
68(=) Bella Poarch - Build a Bitch 344,581 (+1,612)
69(-2) Nio Garcia, J Balvin, Bad Bunny - AM Remix 343,350 (-643)
70(-8) Bas - The Jackie 342,961 (-11,196)
71(+1) Bo Burnham - Welcome to the Internet 332,435 (-2,123)
72(-2) Lil Baby, Lil Durk - Hats Off 331,764 (-9,178)
73(=) Bo Burnham - All Eyes On Me 329,762 (-4,796)
74(+4) Nelly, Florida Georgia Line - Lil Bit 326,834 (+5,174)
75(+5) Luke Combs - Forever After All 323,322 (+3,623)
76(=) Interney Money - His & Hers 323,063 (+364)
79(+4) J Balvin, Maria Becerra - Qué Más Pues? 321,236 (+6,468)
90(-5) Polo G - GANG GANG 294,098 (-8,209)
91(-1) MoneyBagg Yo - Wockesha 293,298 (+1,966)
104(+1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 272,461 (+2,440)
106(+4) Madison Beer - Reckless 268,290 (+1,538)
107(=) Ryan Hurd - Chasing After You 267,538 (-1,563)
108(-9) Tyler the Creator - JUGGERNAUT 267,371 (-8,544)
110(-6) Polo G - No Return 265,789 (-5,148)
112(-14) Mora, Bad Bunny, Sech - Volando Remix 262,508 (-13,662)
113(+7) PinkPantheress - Pain 262,007 (+8,057)
115(+1) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 260,945 (+5,606)
116(-3) Chris Young, Kane Brown - Famous Friends 260,117 (+1,266)
126(-7) Billie Eilish - Lost Cause 249,053 (-5,058)
127(-3) Migos - Straightenin 246,495 (-2,721)
130(-7) Migos - Having Our Way 244,476 (-5,000)
132(debut) Conan Gray - People Watching 243,784
133(+4) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 240,964 (+4,523)
136(-4) Sarah Cothran - As the World Caves In 238,282 (-3,288)
140(+17) Galantis - Heartbreak Anthem 235,606 (+13,123)
144(-1) Beach House - Space Song 231,426 (+1,298)
148(-30) Blueface, Og Bobby Billions - Outside (Better Days) 229,019 (-26,026)
149(-7) Young Stoner Life, Young Thug, Gunna - Ski 228,308 (-2,739)
157(-1) Elle King, Miranda Lambert - Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home) 223,673 (+1,038)
163(-8) Bo Burnham - Look Who's Inside Again 221,073 (-1,759)
171(=) $ilkMoney - My Potna Dem 214,852 (+4)
174(-23) Vince Staples - ARE YOU WITH THAT? 214,347 (-9,435)
175(-9) Trinidad Cardona - Dinero 213,983 (-3,105)
183(-16) Bad Bunny - De Museo 208,403 (-8,620)
195(re-entry) Riton, Nightcrawlers - Friday 203,310
197(-2) Jordan Davis, Luke Bryan - Buy Dirt 202,313 (-36)
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 809,231
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Post by wavey. on Jul 16, 2021 12:37:22 GMT -5
Gotta love the fake "Pulse said he's flopping" comments. He literally just had a huge #1. Anyone that said he was freefalling was not worthy of attention. Oh yeah. They were thinking he was gonna flop because the way Changes sonically played out. I get "Yummy" was a mess, but "Intentions" gave a lil more hope for future singles 🤣🤣 |
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Post by bbdenney94 on Jul 16, 2021 12:56:31 GMT -5
Wasnt Justin Bieber on frefall according to the general concensus of Pulse? Lmao He loves to prove Pulse wrong. Score that hit King. Peaches hit just cuz of the current music climate we in...those other singles were pretty hit or miss. Peaches hit because it's a tasty summer jam with incredible vocal performances. Never been a fan of Biebs, but I gotta hand it to him, that was a well-deserved number-one (in my opinion).
Also, lots of interesting discussion points in this thread: - IMO Billie's doing fine commercially. I think people forget that Billie's singles have unusual chart runs (early singles percolating by the bottom of the chart or high peaks with big drops and consistently mid-charting). Perhaps "Bad Guy" and "Everything I Wanted" made people forget that. Also, I think it'll be another critical success.
- I am really surprised that "Transparent Soul" isn't rocketing up the charts considering how well it's doing on streaming and Alternative radio. Curious as to why CHR isn't servicing that track.
- It'll be interesting to see where the BTS singles fall this week.
- Perhaps Bo Burnham will reach the Hot 100 this week???
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Post by Clode on Jul 16, 2021 13:10:49 GMT -5
No, even if it's a revenue chart, Billboard's formula is off. Relative to what the RIAA deems stream equivalence, Billboard weighs sales about double. Rolling Stone is close to RIAA's standard, and on their song chart (which includes at least digital D2C), Good 4 U has kept Butter at bay so far. "good 4 u" has also kept "Botter" at bay on that SPS chart that Billboard compiles (or is it just Nielsen? idk). It's just that sales are weighed too heavily on the actual Hot 100. Yeah Sales do need to be weighted very differently then they are now in order to lessen the influence that Stans have on the Chart, The Sales weight is really Outdated and needs a Major Adjustment to accurately reflect what Songs are really the most Popular ones of the Week. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 16, 2021 13:20:28 GMT -5
US Spotify - Week 07/15/21
1(debut) The Kid LAROI - STAY 15,077,797
2(-1) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 11,955,831
3(debut) Post Malone - Motley Crew 8,754,153
4(-2) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 8,351,119
5(+3) Måneskin - Beggin' 6,899,400
6(-3) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 6,488,953
7(+6) Doja Cat - Ain't Shit 6,427,315
8(-4) Dua Lipa - Levitating 6,312,524
9(-2) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 6,267,058
10(-4) Polo G - RAPSTAR 6,245,952
11(-1) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 6,184,027
12(-7) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 6,012,273
13(debut) Billie Eilish - NDA 5,658,245
14(-3) Megan Thee Stallion - Thot Shit 5,225,719
15(=) Drake - Wants and Needs 5,136,451
16(debut) BTS - Permission to Dance 5,104,900
17(-3) Glass Animals - Heat 5,053,839
18(-2) Olivia Rodrigo - favorite crime 4,872,034
19(-10) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 4,789,261
20(-3) Bad Bunny - Yonaguni 4,740,176
21(-3) Justin Bieber - Peaches 4,626,127
22(+6) BTS - Butter 4,343,147
23(-4) Olivia Rodrigo - happier 4,319,485
25(-4) Olivia Rodrigo - brutal 4,035,092
26(-14) Tyler the Creator - WUSYANAME 3,973,410
27(+2) Doja Cat - Need to Know 3,870,171
30(-4) Olivia Rodrigo - jealousy, jealousy 3,801,203
31(-11) Rauw Alejandro - Todo De Ti 3,786,201
33(-6) WILLOW - t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l 3,684,815
34(-2) DaBaby - Red Light Green Light 3,609,315
35(debut) BIA - WHOLLE LOTTA MONEY Remix 3,271,865
36(-6) DaBaby - Ball If I Want To 3,256,832
37(-4) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 3,228,462
38(-3) Trippie Redd - Miss the Rage 3,216,912
41(-10) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET 3,082,980
42(debut) Kane Brown, blackbear - Memory 3,024,932
43(debut) Bas - The Jackie 3,004,815
44(+15) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 3,002,021
45(+4) Surf Curse - Freaks 2,943,673
47(-8) Saweetie - Best Friend 2,878,954
48(-7) Roddy Ricch - Late at Night 2,874,667
49(-9) Olivia Rodrigo - enough for you 2,822,128
51(-6) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 2,744,901
52(-1) Måneskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE 2,737,974
53(-3) Kali Uchis - telepatía 2,625,255
58(-3) Nio Garcia, J Balvin, Bad Bunny - AM Remix 2,511,234
65(+21) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 2,402,977
68(-14) Bo Burnham - All Eyes on Me 2,370,030
70(+14) Polo G - GANG GANG 2,338,870
71(+42) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 2,318,204
73(-5) Bo Burnham - Welcome to the Internet 2,310,610
75(+33) Bo Burnham - Bezos I 2,257,482
76(+19) Lil Baby, Lil Durk - Hats Off 2,249,075
79(+2) Internet Money - His & Hers 2,228,337
82(debut) Mora, Bad Bunny, Sech - Volando Remix 2,204,196
84(-5) J Balvin, Maria Becerra - Qué Más Pues? 2,194,990
88(-50) Tyler the Creator - JUGGERNAUT 2,086,254
102(debut) Bad Bunny - De Museo 1,903,709
109(debut) Vince Staples - ARE YOU WITH THAT? 1,855,874
141(+57) BTS - Dynamite 1,825,217
116(re-entry) Ryan Hurd - Chasing After You 1,824,096
117(+27) Chris Young, Kane Brown - Famous Friends 1,812,906
118(+10) Madison Beer - Reckless 1,802,058
121(-21) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 1,787,626
123(+31) PinkPantheress - Pain 1,776,498
133(+4) Sarah Cothran - As the World Caves In 1,684,503
139(+19) Blueface, Og Bobby Billions - Outside (Better Days) 1,632,961
143(-4) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 1,624,555
153(-111) Brent Faiyaz - Wasting Time 1,562,450
156(re-entry) Elle King, Miranda Lambert - Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home) 1,554,128
166(debut) $ilkMoney - My Potna Dem 1,525,090
178(re-entry) Beach House - Space Song 1,476,005
195(debut) Riton, Nightcrawlers - Friday 1,414,668
Week 8 Streams of SOUR: 53,198,930
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 16, 2021 14:19:51 GMT -5
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Post by pkwonder on Jul 16, 2021 16:21:42 GMT -5
Probably discussed already, but will MEBF survive another week? When it finally falls, what will become its rightful surpass-all-expectations-for-pop-punk-on-the-charts-in-2021-heir*, and why is it t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l?
*Other than Olivia, cause she’s in a league of her own above any other pop-punk influenced stuff atm
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Post by joshtheking on Jul 16, 2021 16:27:15 GMT -5
Probably discussed already, but will MEBF survive another week? When it finally falls, what will become its rightful surpass-all-expectations-for-pop-punk-on-the-charts-in-2021-heir*, and why is it t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l? *Other than Olivia, cause she’s in a league of her own above any other pop-punk influenced stuff atm Will probably survive this week, and will be out next week assuming Pop Smoke gets an album bomb? |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 16, 2021 17:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by jeiboy on Jul 16, 2021 18:42:50 GMT -5
Welp. BTS is going to be number one until September the least
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Post by Naos on Jul 16, 2021 19:38:24 GMT -5
"good 4 u" has also kept "Botter" at bay on that SPS chart that Billboard compiles (or is it just Nielsen? idk). It's just that sales are weighed too heavily on the actual Hot 100. Yeah Sales do need to be weighted very differently then they are now in order to lessen the influence that Stans have on the Chart, The Sales weight is really Outdated and needs a Major Adjustment to accurately reflect what Songs are really the most Popular ones of the Week. There will always be ways to manipulate figures, whether by artists or fans. Mass streaming, for example. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 16, 2021 19:59:19 GMT -5
The vinyls are going to push Blinding Lights above of Rapstar, LTDO, and Peaches for the first time next week. I wouldn't even be surprised if BL charts above SYT on the 7/31 chart.
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Post by Gary on Jul 16, 2021 20:07:35 GMT -5
March 17, 1990 - Hot 100 flashback
1 1 1 9 Escapade, Janet Jackson 1
2 4 9 12 Black Velvet, Alannah Myles 2
3 3 4 13 Roam, The B-52 s 3
4 10 15 8 Love Will Lead You Back, Taylor Dayne 4
5 5 7 13 Price Of Love, Bad English 5
6 9 11 10 I Go To Extremes, Billy Joel 6
7 7 10 18 No More Lies, Michel le 7
8 15 19 7 I Wish It Would Rain Down, Phil Collins 8
9 13 14 9 Just A Friend, Biz Markie 9
10 11 13 14 C Mon And Get My Love, D-Mob With Cathy Dennis 10
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Post by rimetm on Jul 16, 2021 20:37:49 GMT -5
The vinyls are going to push Blinding Lights above of Rapstar, LTDO, and Peaches for the first time next week. I wouldn't even be surprised if BL charts above SYT on the 7/31 chart. You've mentioned these vinyls a couple of times now, mind pointing out both which listing is being referred to and an official notice about them shipping between the 17th and 23rd? I can't find any corroborating information myself. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 16, 2021 20:39:43 GMT -5
The vinyls are going to push Blinding Lights above of Rapstar, LTDO, and Peaches for the first time next week. I wouldn't even be surprised if BL charts above SYT on the 7/31 chart. You've mentioned these vinyls a couple of times now, mind pointing out both which listing is being referred to and an official notice about them shipping between the 17th and 23rd? I can't find any corroborating information myself. I mentioned this earlier, but my physicals from him arrived this morning, meaning they shipped last week. Not sure if they'll all count as last week, or they'll be split between this week or last week. |
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Post by 7 gil on Jul 16, 2021 21:33:02 GMT -5
Post sounds out of touch and unaware on the deceptively titled 'Motley Crue'
an almost comical, complete waste of a comeback
i expect this to be a one-off, a non-album single followed by an abbreviated re-hiatus
forgettable, but ironically too notable of a failure to be truly forgotten
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 16, 2021 21:45:52 GMT -5
Post sounds out of touch and unaware on the deceptively titled 'Motley Crue' an almost comical, complete waste of a comeback i expect this to be a one-off, a non-album single followed by an abbreviated re-hiatus forgettable, but ironically too notable of a failure to be truly forgotten It's confirmed to be the single for his documentary that's coming out, meaning it isn't the lead or even on the album. |
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Post by campbellssoup on Jul 16, 2021 22:25:36 GMT -5
oof at Motley Crew debuting outside the top 10
hopefully it is just a throwaway for a documentary and not the debut single for a new era
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Post by lazer on Jul 16, 2021 22:43:23 GMT -5
So glad that Motley Crew is not a lead single for his next album. That would be a step back in his evolution as an artist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 22:53:12 GMT -5
Stay deserves more than a #4 debut. Maybe it can beat bts for the 7/31 chart. it's only a few points behind g4u.
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Post by Gary on Jul 16, 2021 23:28:46 GMT -5
March 17, 1990 - Hot 100 flashback 1 1 1 9 Escapade, Janet Jackson 1 2 4 9 12 Black Velvet, Alannah Myles 2 3 3 4 13 Roam, The B-52 s 3 4 10 15 8 Love Will Lead You Back, Taylor Dayne 4 5 5 7 13 Price Of Love, Bad English 5 6 9 11 10 I Go To Extremes, Billy Joel 6 7 7 10 18 No More Lies, Michel le 7 8 15 19 7 I Wish It Would Rain Down, Phil Collins 8 9 13 14 9 Just A Friend, Biz Markie 910 11 13 14 C Mon And Get My Love, D-Mob With Cathy Dennis 10 Biz Markie - a literal 'one hit wonder' - only Hot 100 entry however in 1997 made a Bubbling Under appearance |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 16, 2021 23:36:14 GMT -5
Yeah Sales do need to be weighted very differently then they are now in order to lessen the influence that Stans have on the Chart, The Sales weight is really Outdated and needs a Major Adjustment to accurately reflect what Songs are really the most Popular ones of the Week. There will always be ways to manipulate figures, whether by artists or fans. Mass streaming, for example. The reason though mass streaming isn't as effective in gaming the charts is that Spotify actively filters out streams. If you buy streams or bot them or just leave songs on a loop for hours, Spotify will filter them out and they won't count. There are ways to still game streams but it just isn't as effective as mass buying. This is why ARMYs buy instead of stream |
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Post by gs on Jul 17, 2021 0:38:21 GMT -5
Streams are way harder to manipulate than sales.
If sales were made 1 copy per song per person per week, no, ARMY wouldn't be able to 'find a way around it'. They'd pretty much never be #1 after the first week again. If sales were divided by 10, and not 5, to match actual consumption that Billboard uses, they'd never even see the #1 spot ever again. They could probably still score #1 debuts with the /5 divisor. I'm not sure how other countries like the UK weigh sales on their charts though.
On the Hot 100, you need 6,000 paid streams to match 24 sales, which is not feasibly possible with streaming caps and a life; that's more than 48 hours of CONSTANT 30 second-only streams even if they all counted. A whole week of incessant streaming if the song was on a realistic repeat (not repeating after 30s). Spending days continuously streaming to match 24 sales which can be bought in under 1 minute from the store using international money just isn't equivalent in any way.
Spotify was confirmed to only count 10 streams per day for their charts (and the number is the same as what's counted for Billboard's charts). YouTube's cap is 50. So if one ARMY has Spotify, their limit is 70 paid streams and 350 free (maybe paid if they're willing to also pay for YT Premium). A far cry from 6,000 paid streams, that's for certain (just 7% the impact per person, even fulfilling all streaming caps and paying for both services each week!). To be clear, that limit is per version of a song, so if they accumulate these streams over 10 versions, that's getting close. But again, it's infeasible, and if Billboard changed the sales bulk rules, they might concurrently change the streaming bulk rules too. Rendering any attempt at manipulation completely ineffective.
Plus, even if they were streaming that much, at least they are listening to the song by doing so (although they'd probably put it on low volume on some device in another room to not go insane).
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 17, 2021 0:48:15 GMT -5
I feel like with streaming making up as much 85% of how all music is consumed in the US and with the continued decline of pure sales (even with vinyl sales steadily rising over the last few years), it should go without saying that streaming should be weighed heavier than it currently is. It's extremely hard to pull upwards of 100 million streams in a week with an album. 200 million streams is even harder and 300 million streams is damn near impossible for over 90% of the artists in the music industry (for reference, there are currently only 15 weeks where at least 1 album pulled up to 300 million streams on the Billboard 200. Drake has 3 of those weeks, Post Malone, Lil Uzi Vert and J. Cole each 2 of those weeks. Lil Wayne, Juice WRLD, Travis Scott, Kendrick Lamar, Ariana Grande and Olivia Rodrigo each have 1 week). The way things stand currently, managing to have your album amass 300 million streams in a single week won't earn you up to 250K units. That makes no sense to me. It's gotten even harder now to have an album garner enough units for a Platinum certification because pure sales are dead and streaming, despite growing every year, hasn't seen any change in how it's weighed to make up for the massive decline in pure sales.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 17, 2021 0:50:15 GMT -5
Wtf at Without You being #1 on callouts and the remix with Miley at that Mediabase is for some reason crediting the Miley remix (probably a label decision), but make no mistake, the original solo version is getting the majority of airplay. Just one of those weird instances of nonsensical credits from Mediabase. Much like BTS was suddenly credited in "Savage Love" even though there's no way that remix was getting more than like 10% of the song's total airplay. |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 17, 2021 0:59:30 GMT -5
Wtf at Without You being #1 on callouts and the remix with Miley at that Mediabase is for some reason crediting the Miley remix (probably a label decision), but make no mistake, the original solo version is getting the majority of airplay. Just one of those weird instances of nonsensical credits from Mediabase. Much like BTS was suddenly credited in "Savage Love" even though there's no way that remix was getting more than like 10% of the song's total airplay. do we know this as fact/do you know if we can see the distribution anywhere? I'm not a regular radio listener but the one day I listened to the radio couple weeks ago, I heard the Miley Cyrus remix. (I also heard the Ariana Grande remix of "Save Your Tears" like 4 times within a couple hours, lol. the solo version did come on once as well.) I also know that's completely anecdotal and doesn't reflect national airplay totals. (I know labels can just tack on artist names on Mediabase as soon as the remix drops, but I wonder if there's a chance the Miley Cyrus remix might be getting more spins at this point?) |
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