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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 23, 2021 9:53:00 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/07/23
1(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 99.33(+0.11) 2(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 84.48(-0.11) 3(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 82.61(+0.63) 4(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 80.57(-0.59) 5(=) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 71.78(+0.31) 6(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVĒON) 70.10(+0.00) 7(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 66.75(+0.83) 8(=) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open 64.72(-0.85) 9(=) The Weeknd & Ariana Grande - Save Your Tears (Remix) 60.38(-0.06) 10(=) GIVĒON - Heartbreak Anniversary 52.22(-0.46)
19(=) Polo G - RAPSTAR 38.80(+0.71)
23(+2) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 35.99(+0.60)
25(+1) Miranda Lambert - Settling Down 35.80(+0.53)
33(+1) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 30.80(+0.54)
44(+4) The Kid LAROI & Justin Bieber - Stay 25.42(+1.01)
-(-) Post Malone - Motley Crew 12.17(+0.55) -(-) Normani - Wild Side (feat. Cardi B) [Extended Version] 1.98(+0.78) +
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Post by bbdenney94 on Jul 23, 2021 10:31:26 GMT -5
According to the Army Connect account, they didn’t meet their funding goals for the week and predict that BTS isn’t going to hold onto the number one spot.
It looks like it’s either Olivia or Kid Laroi that’ll take the top spot.
Also, I heard the new Lil Nas X and Camila records on a morning show. They were in love with both and predicted both would smash. I’m much more ambivalent on the Camila record, but Lil Nas looks like he’ll definitely rebound from SGD.
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Post by gikem on Jul 23, 2021 10:41:31 GMT -5
Butter debuts with the lowest callouts among currents on Top 40 this week. 51.7% positive (lowest), 17.8% favorite (2nd lowest), 25.7% negative (3rd highest), 26.0% net positive (lowest). Make of that what you will.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 23, 2021 10:49:39 GMT -5
I hope that means radio dumps it on its ass now, so 'Trasher' is cut off from being able to return to #1 on account of needing that much more scam sales than the Army's capable off (especially while also trying to gas 'Permission To Drown')
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Post by bbdenney94 on Jul 23, 2021 10:59:30 GMT -5
Butter debuts with the lowest callouts among currents on Top 40 this week. 51.7% positive (lowest), 17.8% favorite (2nd lowest), 25.7% negative (3rd highest), 26.0% net positive (lowest). Make of that what you will. Where do you find this information? It is from Nielsen surveys?
From my experience, the song doesn't sound great in the car. Fantano's opinion on Butter rings true, IMO - the bass sounds "blobby" and the mixing is weird.
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Post by gikem on Jul 23, 2021 11:02:16 GMT -5
Butter debuts with the lowest callouts among currents on Top 40 this week. 51.7% positive (lowest), 17.8% favorite (2nd lowest), 25.7% negative (3rd highest), 26.0% net positive (lowest). Make of that what you will. Where do you find this information? It is from Nielsen surveys? Here's the website where you can find them for most of the major formats: www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/index.aspChange the format to "Top 40" and the filter to "Currents" and you'll see how those songs stack up against each other.
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Post by Naos on Jul 23, 2021 11:06:18 GMT -5
I'm really getting tired of these BTS Stans manipulating the Hot 100 chart, Hopefully "Good 4 U" can finally get that 2nd Week at #1 that it deserves. A Song selling 100K Copies should not equal a #1 if the Streams and Airplay of the Song in Question are nowhere near as Strong. Well, what do you suggest? If a song is only doing well in one chart metric, decide to lower its count by some arbitrary amount?
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Post by Clode on Jul 23, 2021 11:12:31 GMT -5
I'm really getting tired of these BTS Stans manipulating the Hot 100 chart, Hopefully "Good 4 U" can finally get that 2nd Week at #1 that it deserves. A Song selling 100K Copies should not equal a #1 if the Streams and Airplay of the Song in Question are nowhere near as Strong. Well, what do you suggest? If a song is only doing well in one chart metric, decide to lower its count by some arbitrary amount? No I would want the Sales weight to be lowered in order to prevent these BTS Stans from constantly manipulating the Hot 100.
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Post by Naos on Jul 23, 2021 11:15:36 GMT -5
Well, what do you suggest? If a song is only doing well in one chart metric, decide to lower its count by some arbitrary amount? No I would want the Sales weight to be lowered in order to prevent these BTS Stans from constantly manipulating the Hot 100. If we're using consistent logic, a song that is only strong in airplay or streaming shouldn't allow it to be very high either, yet this commonly happens. Also, in reality, all this would do is encourage a change in tactics or even more different versions of the same song.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 23, 2021 11:22:36 GMT -5
US Spotify - 07/22/21
1(=) The Kid LAROI - Stay 1,853,628 (+66,719) 2(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 1,636,885 (+52,542) 3(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 1,219,093 (+55,654) 4(=) Doja Cat - Ain't Shit 1,009,004 (+30,745) 5(=) Måneskin - Beggin' 1,007,115 (+61,028) 6(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating 906,271 (+39,472) 7(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 889,321 (+24,842) 8(=) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 875,694 (+13,199) 9(=) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 868,387 (+12,419) 10(+3) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 865,604 (+55,970)
Others: 11(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 856,656 (+42,089) 12(=) Polo G - RAPSTAR 841,336 (+27,102) 13(-3) Post Malone - Motley Crew 834,524 (+6,247) 14(=) Doja Cat - Need to Know 809,101 (+47,073) 15(=) Megan Thee Stallion - Thot Shit 678,056 (+23,949) 16(+1) Drake - Wants and Needs 646,346 (+9,982) 17(+1) Justin Bieber - Peaches 636,449 (+20,193) 18(-2) Olivia Rodrigo - favorite crime 635,033 (-4,260) 19(+3) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 606,211 (+38,416) 20(-1) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 601,945 (+19,030) 21(-1) Bad Bunny - Yonaguni 583,672 (+13,050) 23(=) Olivia Rodrigo - happier 558,933 (-2,645) 24(=) Rauw Alejandro - Todo De Ti 556,940 (+22,090) 25(+3) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 545,329 (+33,568) 27(-2) Olivia Rodrigo - brutal 527,712 (+3,461) 28(-2) WILLOW - t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l 527,381 (+12,181) 29(+1) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Leave the Door Open 523,981 (+17,109) 30(+37) Lorde - Stoned at the Nail Salon 523,803 (+190,017) 31(=) BTS - Butter 520,213 (+21,854) 32(-5) Olivia Rodrigo - jealousy, jealousy 520,170 (+5,358) 33(=) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 498,105 (+18,095) 34(-2) BTS - Permission to Dance 497,915 (+10,143) 35(-1) DaBaby - Ball If I Want To 471,994 (+5,232) 36(+2) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 463,240 (+23,013) 37(=) Trippie Redd - Miss the Rage 453,951 (+3,878) 39(-4) Tyler The Creator, YoungBoy Never Broke Again, Ty Dolla $ign - WUSYANAME 452,333 (-2,944) 40(-4) Trippie Redd, Lil Uzi Vert - Holy Smoke 450,284 (-2,775) 41(-1) Cochise, $NOT - Tell Em 444,571 (+10,271) 42(=) DaBaby - Red Light Green Light 434,148 (+2,704) 43(=) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET 433,116 (+9,687) 44(-5) Surf Curse - Freaks 432,338 (-6,442) 45(-1) Billie Eilish - NDA 413,096 (+3,369) 46(-1) Måneskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE 410,665 (+5,958) 48(-1) Bo Burnham - Bezos I 406,265 (+10,679) 49(-1) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 401,378 (+13,183) 52(-2) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 384,905 (+2,215) 53(-4) Pop Smoke - Bout a Million 374,503 (-8,714) 54(-1) Kali Uchis - telepatía 367,584 (+2,106) 62(=) Luke Combs - Forever After All 346,758 (+7,961) 64(-3) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 345,652 (+6,701) 68(debut) Belly, The Weeknd, Young Thug - Better Believe 340,684 69(-1) Normani - Wild Side 340,488 (+8,740) 71(=) Lil Baby, Lil Durk - Hats Off 332,112 (+9,624) 72(-2) J. Cole - m y . l i f e 329,769 (+6,663) 73(-1) Nelly, Florida Georgia Line - Lil Bit 323,959 (+7,872) 75(+4) Interney Money - His & Hers 317,414 (+15,175) 76(+1) Bella Poarch - Build a Bitch 315,302 (+6,716) 77(-2) BIA - WHOLE LOTTA MONEY Remix 314,069 (+4,695) 80(+42) Lorde - Solar Power 310,755 (+66,694) 82(-1) Nio Garcia, J Balvin, Bad Bunny - AM Remix 307,966 (+8,075) 86(-1) Bo Burnham - Welcome to the Internet 298,431 (+1,712) 90(-1) J Balvin, Maria Becerra - Qué Más Pues? 296,087 (+7,072) 93(-3) MoneyBagg Yo - Wockesha 288,982 (+7,978) 100(+5) PinkPantheress - Pain 273,065 (+10,164)
101(-4) Bo Burnham - All Eyes On Me 272,786 (-1,163) 103(-3) Polo G - GANG GANG 269,891 (+3,665) 106(+2) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 267,360 (+9,295) 107(-6) Conan Gray - People Watching 265,720 (-375) 108(-1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 264,740 (+6,440) 111(+1) Mora, Bad Bunny, Sech - Volando Remix 259,487 (+4,209) 113(+2) Kane Brown, blackbear - Memory 257,269 (+3,751) 117(-21) Pop Smoke - Tell the Vision 255,539 (-20,022) 122(+18) Madison Beer - Reckless 250,386 (+17,425) 124(debut) Khalid - New Normal 248,829 134(-18) Pop Smoke - Demeanor 240,942 (-12,302) 139(-7) Beach House - Space Song 237,779 (-2,022) 140(+5) Sarah Cothran - As the World Caves In 237,150 -+9,438) 144(-35) Blueface, Og Bobby Billions - Outside (Better Days) 232,080 (-25,500) 152(+1) Galantis - Heartbreak Anthem 228,271 (+4,032) 162(-28) John Mayer - Shot in the Dark 224,490 (-12,512) 168(-17) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 220,669 (-3,981) 169(-3) Ryan Hurd - Chasing After You 220,090 (+4,603) 176(+7) Migos - Straightenin 213,796 (+5,283) 192(-1) Bas - The Jackie 206,522 (+2,741) 198(re-entry) Elle King, Miranda Lambert - Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home) 202,528 200(=) Kelsea Ballerini, LANY - I Quit Drinking 201,731 (+2,554)
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 810,069
Biggest Gains (50K+): Solar Power, Stoned at the Salon, MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name), Beggin', Kiss Me More, good 4 u, Stay
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 23, 2021 11:26:40 GMT -5
No I would want the Sales weight to be lowered in order to prevent these BTS Stans from constantly manipulating the Hot 100. If we're using consistent logic, a song that is only strong in airplay or streaming shouldn't allow it to be very high either, yet this commonly happens. Also, in reality, all this would do is encourage a change in tactics or even more different versions of the same song. Then again, One Too Many shows that the Hot 100 formula is broken. A song ranked #44 on radio and nowhere to be found on both streaming and sales should not be ranked at #52 on the Hot 100.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 23, 2021 11:29:18 GMT -5
No I would want the Sales weight to be lowered in order to prevent these BTS Stans from constantly manipulating the Hot 100. If we're using consistent logic, a song that is only strong in airplay or streaming shouldn't allow it to be very high either, yet this commonly happens. Also, in reality, all this would do is encourage a change in tactics or even more different versions of the same song. *sigh* How many times do we have to say this: the reason sales is the target of so much scorn is that it's by far the least used metric in comparison to streaming and airplay. The elimination of website sales from Billboard would help curb this. Not to mention, as we're seeing: mass buying isn't a sustainable campaign. If you decreased the weight of sales to where it'd be harder to manipulate, we could avoid this happening for more than two months
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Post by lazer on Jul 23, 2021 11:34:55 GMT -5
100( +5) PinkPantheress - Pain 273,065 ( +10,164) Wow, this sounds very unique and not like anything on pop now. Let's make it a hit! I also liked Break It Off.
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Post by Gary on Jul 23, 2021 11:39:22 GMT -5
If we're using consistent logic, a song that is only strong in airplay or streaming shouldn't allow it to be very high either, yet this commonly happens. Also, in reality, all this would do is encourage a change in tactics or even more different versions of the same song. Then again, One Too Many shows that the Hot 100 formula is broken. A song ranked #44 on radio and nowhere to be found on both streaming and sales should not be ranked at #52 on the Hot 100. If you keep repeating that over and over again, I know you believe but do you think you will draw others in by repeating the post over and over again? Why is it unreasonable for a song at #44 on all genre airplay, "nowhere to be found" on the top 50 overall sales and streaming charts to be ranked just outside the top 50 on the Hot 100? It is ranked inside the top 50 on one metric but do you know for sure where it is ranked on the other two? FYI - it is only "nowhere to be found" because they only display 50 spots. How do you know that this song is not say #60 - it very well could be around there it is just not shown Please explain
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 23, 2021 11:41:17 GMT -5
Yes, it is definitely about people starting to live through the artist, or more so they internalize the success/failure and praise/criticism of the artist. So, when an artist gets to #1, they take it on themselves. When an artist is criticized, they take it as criticism of them. That one BTS fan tweet saying BTS is helping them is really telling; at this point it’s literally stans seeing themselves as being #1. It’s just not healthy. I think music is a very personal thing and is something most people don’t acknowledge as such, particularly those who are introverts or who didn’t have it easy in high school. Similar to reading and writing, the music one listens to and loves becomes an extension of who they are in some ways. When someone names their favourite singer and the response is something negative, it can be insulting because you’ve opened yourself up just enough to have a negative comment given in return and it stings even just a little bit. There’s also a hint of a reward when your fav succeeds. When Brandi Carlile won big at the Grammys a few years ago (in particular with her night-stealing performance), I definitely felt proud as a result of that even though I did nothing but love her music for a decade. However, there’s a difference between that and what BTS fans do but tbh it probably starts from an innocent place until you’re in a groupthink situation, paired with the competition nature of fanbase, while also facing criticism from nearly everyone. I’m sure it doesn’t need to be said again but I don’t think any of us are critical of BTS more than any other boyband - it’s possible that we’re probably less critical of them than others because they’re breaking down barriers and achieving a lot of firsts. Before the blatant manipulation, I thought their achievements were admirable. Our criticism is 100% on the actions of their stans and tbh, I’ve wondered if I myself wouldn’t be so harsh toward them if they just owned the fact they were manipulating the charts and were otherwise not any better than other toxic stanbases. The fact they try to play innocent while gaslighting every step of the way is what made me detest them as much as I do. I agree with most if not all of this, but something being normal or whatever is different from it being healthy. Of course it's normal for people to connect to music, and it's normal for people to be fans of athletes, teams, musicians, actors, etc and experience some joy (or sadness or whatever) related to those people/groups. Does that make it healthy, though? In a general sense it isn't a big deal and can even be positive, but as we've seen it can also become obsessive, needy, etc. I'd also say things like fans destroying property after a team wins/loses is an extreme. Where is that line, though, and more so what prompts people to cross it?
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Post by Groovy on Jul 23, 2021 11:50:18 GMT -5
How annoying do you gotta be when even Gary is tired of your s**t? Lol
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 23, 2021 11:56:02 GMT -5
US Spotify - Week 07/22/21
1(=) The Kid LAROI - STAY 13,344,016 2(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 11,604,431 3(+1) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 8,356,266 4(+3) Doja Cat - Ain't Shit 7,057,145 5(=) Måneskin - Beggin' 6,991,407 6(+2) Dua Lipa - Levitating 6,319,636 7(-1) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 6,179,183 8(-5) Post Malone - Motley Crew 6,133,134 9(+2) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 6,126,332 10(-1) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 6,057,427
11(+1) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 5,861,475 12(-2) Polo G - RAPSTAR 5,855,742 13(+4) Glass Animals - Heat 5,660,874 14(+13) Doja Cat - Need to Know 5,134,243 15(-1) Megan Thee Stallion - Thot Shit 4,816,375 17(+4) Justin Bieber - Peaches 4,543,704 18(=) Olivia Rodrigo - favorite crime 4,484,109 19(+1) Bad Bunny - Yonaguni 4,225,621 20(-1) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 4,215,086 22(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - happier 3,971,545 23(+8) Rauw Alejandro - Todo De Ti 3,934,565 24(+9) WILLOW - t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l 3,925,975 25(debut) Trippie Redd, Lil Uzi Vert - Holy Smokes 3,825,864 26(debut) Pop Smoke - Bout a Million 3,795,954 27(-2) Olivia Rodrigo - brutal 3,759,015 30(+41) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 3,686,919 32(-16) BTS - Permission to Dance 3,674,813 33(-3) Olivia Rodrigo - jealousy, jealousy 3,667,551 34(-12) BTS - Butter 3,596,447 35(+1) DaBaby - Ball If I Want To 3,413,957 36(+8) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 3,391,008 37(-11) Tyler the Creator - WUSYANAME 3,258,231 38(-4) DaBaby - Red Light Green Light 3,224,067 39(-26) Billie Eilish - NDA 3,191,529 40(-2) Trippie Redd - Miss the Rage 3,152,229 41(-4) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 3,121,140 43(+2) Surf Curse - Freaks 3,061,431 45(debut) Pop Smoke - Tell the Vision 3,008,352 46(+6) Måneskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE 2,905,521 47(-6) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET 2,863,727 48(debut) Normani - Wild Side 2,812,939 50(+1) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 2,762,718 52(-4) Roddy Ricch - Late at Night 2,696,675 54(-1) Kali Uchis - telepatía 2,592,923 55(+20) Bo Burnham - Bezos I 2,584,772 57(debut) Pop Smoke - Demeanor 2,524,835 59(debut) John Mayer - Shot in the Dark 2,486,241 62(debut) Pop Smoke - Coupe 2,466,452 67(-2) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 2,400,823 72(+4) Lil Baby, Lil Durk - Hats Off 2,296,952 73(-38) BIA - WHOLLE LOTTA MONEY Remix 2,287,254 77(-19) Nio Garcia, J Balvin, Bad Bunny - AM Remix 2,235,968 80(re-entry) John Mayer - Last Train Home 2,183,417 84(debut) Pop Smoke - Genius 2,137,655 85(debut) Pop Smoke - More Time 2,136,969 87(-14) Bo Burnham - Welcome to the Internet 2,102,640 88(-4) J Balvin, Maria Becerra - Qué Más Pues? 2,088,379 94(debut) Pop Smoke - Manslaughter 2,034,956 97(debut) John Mayer - New Light 2,014,669 98(debut) Conan Gray - People Watching 2,013,761
102(-34) Bo Burnham - All Eyes on Me 1,980,938 110(-68) Kane Brown, blackbear - Memory 1,892,064 111(-29) Mora, Bad Bunny, Sech - Volando Remix 1,884,149 120(+3) PinkPantheress - Pain 1,813,186 121(=) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 1,808,873 138(-20) Madison Beer - Reckless 1,684,854 142(+36) Beach House - Space Song 1,668,141 155(-22) Sarah Cothran - As the World Caves In 1,593,907 166(-123) Bas - The Jackie 1,564,530 168(-25) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 1,562,328 174(-35) Blueface, Og Bobby Billions - Outside (Better Days) 1,534,011 176(-50) Ryan Hurd - Chasing After You 1,519,506
Total Streams for Polo G - Faith: 29,828,171 Week 9 Streams of SOUR: 50,425,896
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 23, 2021 12:05:05 GMT -5
No I would want the Sales weight to be lowered in order to prevent these BTS Stans from constantly manipulating the Hot 100. If we're using consistent logic, a song that is only strong in airplay or streaming shouldn't allow it to be very high either, yet this commonly happens. Also, in reality, all this would do is encourage a change in tactics or even more different versions of the same song. the difference is that Sales are not a good metric for how popular a song is anymore. Bar BTS and new releases, the top selling song is hitting record lows near weekly. Streaming is by far the most popular way people listen to music. And while Airplay isn't what it was in the mid 2010s it's vastly more reliable than sales. Also no, there wouldn't be a switch in tactics; We already see that mass buying only works for so long and if websites weren't counted or sales were weighed down, there's literally no way for the Army or any stanbase to forge their way to number one, Spotify and probably Apple music keep fraudulent streams in check and they can't get 60m AI on the radio week one, the charade would be up but BB won't do that until major artists lose out at Nunber one or they face major backlash
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 23, 2021 12:09:21 GMT -5
Then again, One Too Many shows that the Hot 100 formula is broken. A song ranked #44 on radio and nowhere to be found on both streaming and sales should not be ranked at #52 on the Hot 100. If you keep repeating that over and over again, I know you believe do you think you will draw others in by repeating the post over and over again? Why is it unreasonable for a song at #44 on all genre airplay, "nowhere to be found" on the top 50 overall sales and streaming charts to be ranked just outside the top 50 on the Hot 100? It is ranked inside the top 50 on one metric but do you know for sure where it is ranked on the other two? FYI - it is only "nowhere to be found" because they only display 50 spots. How do you know that this song is not say #60 - it very well could be around there it is just not shown Please explain How damn toxic do you have to be when you even manage to piss Gary off lol
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 23, 2021 13:01:24 GMT -5
Then again, One Too Many shows that the Hot 100 formula is broken. A song ranked #44 on radio and nowhere to be found on both streaming and sales should not be ranked at #52 on the Hot 100. If you keep repeating that over and over again, I know you believe but do you think you will draw others in by repeating the post over and over again? Why is it unreasonable for a song at #44 on all genre airplay, "nowhere to be found" on the top 50 overall sales and streaming charts to be ranked just outside the top 50 on the Hot 100? It is ranked inside the top 50 on one metric but do you know for sure where it is ranked on the other two? FYI - it is only "nowhere to be found" because they only display 50 spots. How do you know that this song is not say #60 - it very well could be around there it is just not shown Please explain If people are going to complain about the Hot 100 being off, at least be consistent and call out all cases, not just the songs you hate. While I agree about the backlash Butter is getting (and deservedly so), so should a song like One Too Many, which is not ranked highly on any metric. In fact, on radio, the only metric it is ranked on, it is based on heavy airplay from one format where it’s call out scores are 35th out of 36 songs. So outside of country radio (and even there, its call out scores are very bad), OTM is pretty much a non-factor. At least I can see Butter ranked on the other metrics of the chart outside of sales, even if it is very far down the list. Can’t say the same about OTM.
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Post by Gary on Jul 23, 2021 13:16:34 GMT -5
If you keep repeating that over and over again, I know you believe but do you think you will draw others in by repeating the post over and over again? Why is it unreasonable for a song at #44 on all genre airplay, "nowhere to be found" on the top 50 overall sales and streaming charts to be ranked just outside the top 50 on the Hot 100? It is ranked inside the top 50 on one metric but do you know for sure where it is ranked on the other two? FYI - it is only "nowhere to be found" because they only display 50 spots. How do you know that this song is not say #60 - it very well could be around there it is just not shown Please explain If people are going to complain about the Hot 100 being off, at least be consistent and call out all cases, not just the songs you hate. While I agree about the backlash Butter is getting (and deservedly so), so should a song like One Too Many, which is not ranked highly on any metric. In fact, on radio, the only metric it is ranked on, it is based on heavy airplay from one format where it’s call out scores are 35th out of 36 songs. So outside of country radio (and even there, its call out scores are very bad), OTM is pretty much a non-factor. At least I can see Butter ranked on the other metrics of the chart outside of sales, even if it is very far down the list. Can’t say the same about OTM. Wasn't asking about Butter - was asking about 'One Too Many' as you clearly want to hammer this home If One Too Many were ranked say #30 or higher on the Hot 100 but #44 on radio and "nowhere to be found" on Streaming and Sales, I would agree with you that the formula is flawed - but that is not the case Just taking the above quotes from just the last two days you obviously feel strongly and you clearly want people to agree with you about it. But why is #52 an indicator of a faulty formula? a blend of the three metrics, (#44 and positions likely just outside the top 50 put it at #52 - why do you think that is wrong
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Az Paynter
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 23, 2021 13:22:55 GMT -5
It sounds to me like you're suggesting that sales and/or streams should only count for the Hot 100 if they're enough to make the individual component charts. Which is the most laughable thing ever. You want to talk about accuracy but in the same breath you wanna advocate for treating actual sales and actual streams like they don't exist?
So f**king WHAT if 'One Too Many' isn't on the sales chart or the streaming chart? It still has both of those things. Which are still contributing points to its Hot 100 placement. Alongside its airplay which is still growing (at a glacial pace). You don't get to pick and choose what counts for which songs if you wanna preach about 'chart accuracy'.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 23, 2021 13:33:12 GMT -5
It sounds to me like you're suggesting that sales and/or streams should only count for the Hot 100 if they're enough to make the individual component charts. Which is the most laughable thing ever. You want to talk about accuracy but in the same breath you wanna advocate for treating actual sales and actual streams like they don't exist? So f**king WHAT if 'One Too Many' isn't on the sales chart or the streaming chart? It still has both of those things. Which are still contributing points to its Hot 100 placement. Alongside its airplay which is still growing (at a glacial pace). You don't get to pick and choose what counts for which songs if you wanna preach about 'chart accuracy'. What I think they should do is use an inverse for all 3 metrics. 50 for 1st on a metric, and 1 for 50th place. In this way, this would prevent songs from reaching #1 from being too strong in one metric. BTS stans can mass buy all the heck they want, they will be capped at 50 points for sales. For OTM, it would only have the 7 points from radio, which would be nowhere near what is needed to chart on the Hot 100.
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Post by nathanalbright on Jul 23, 2021 13:41:23 GMT -5
That would be disastrous. Just give me the actual chart points, and then ban website sales and put the US on the same sales standards as the rest of the world to get rid of the mass buying campaigns.
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Az Paynter
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 23, 2021 13:47:38 GMT -5
'One Too Many' doesn't have enough sales to make the sales chart. But it does have sales. And every little bit adds up. 'One Too Many' doesn't have enough streams to make the streaming chart. But it does have streams. And every little bit adds up. 'One Too Many' doesn't have enough radio to place high on the airplay chart. But it does have airplay. And every little bit adds up.
In that regard, the charts as they currently stand work exactly as they're intended to. Every little bit adds up, and everything counts.
The fact is, 'One Too Many' is drawing enough from all three components to accumulate a certain number of points. Which, when stacked up against everything else, is enough for it to attain the Hot 100 position it's at.
I don't know how this can be so difficult a concept to wrap one's head around.
Sales loophole abuse is a major issue. But that has nothing to do with the formulation of the chart as a whole.
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Post by rimetm on Jul 23, 2021 14:11:56 GMT -5
It sounds to me like you're suggesting that sales and/or streams should only count for the Hot 100 if they're enough to make the individual component charts. Which is the most laughable thing ever. You want to talk about accuracy but in the same breath you wanna advocate for treating actual sales and actual streams like they don't exist? So f**king WHAT if 'One Too Many' isn't on the sales chart or the streaming chart? It still has both of those things. Which are still contributing points to its Hot 100 placement. Alongside its airplay which is still growing (at a glacial pace). You don't get to pick and choose what counts for which songs if you wanna preach about 'chart accuracy'. What I think they should do is use an inverse for all 3 metrics. 50 for 1st on a metric, and 1 for 50th place. In this way, this would prevent songs from reaching #1 from being too strong in one metric. BTS stans can mass buy all the heck they want, they will be capped at 50 points for sales. For OTM, it would only have the 7 points from radio, which would be nowhere near what is needed to chart on the Hot 100. Congratulations on presenting your dumbest idea thus far, worse than the pre-SoundScan Hot 100. First off, you won't get a full 100 most of the time. This week, only 91 songs showed up on the component charts. Second, as long as stuff like the iTunes genre discounts are going on, you're going to have a lot of oldies on there. Third, this system introduces a bunch of ties: I ran a test and there's a three-way for #8 and the top 3 only barely didn't tie. Fourth, this system brutally punishes songs that are just outside of one of the component lists while letting sales decide matches it shouldn't. "Stay" debuts at #11 in this system, while "Levitating" denies "Good 4 U" by a point. Look upon your system in shame and stop pretending you know what's best because this just showed your whole rear to the community.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 23, 2021 14:55:20 GMT -5
BTS' songs almost managed to drop out of HITS' weekly streaming chart. Pop Smoke underwhelmed with the highest song at #20 and only 5 songs total.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 23, 2021 15:25:25 GMT -5
If you keep repeating that over and over again, I know you believe but do you think you will draw others in by repeating the post over and over again? Why is it unreasonable for a song at #44 on all genre airplay, "nowhere to be found" on the top 50 overall sales and streaming charts to be ranked just outside the top 50 on the Hot 100? It is ranked inside the top 50 on one metric but do you know for sure where it is ranked on the other two? FYI - it is only "nowhere to be found" because they only display 50 spots. How do you know that this song is not say #60 - it very well could be around there it is just not shown Please explain If people are going to complain about the Hot 100 being off, at least be consistent and call out all cases, not just the songs you hate. While I agree about the backlash Butter is getting (and deservedly so), so should a song like One Too Many, which is not ranked highly on any metric. In fact, on radio, the only metric it is ranked on, it is based on heavy airplay from one format where it’s call out scores are 35th out of 36 songs. So outside of country radio (and even there, its call out scores are very bad), OTM is pretty much a non-factor. At least I can see Butter ranked on the other metrics of the chart outside of sales, even if it is very far down the list. Can’t say the same about OTM. Do you ever get tired. Because all of us are so very tired.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 23, 2021 15:28:28 GMT -5
It sounds to me like you're suggesting that sales and/or streams should only count for the Hot 100 if they're enough to make the individual component charts. Which is the most laughable thing ever. You want to talk about accuracy but in the same breath you wanna advocate for treating actual sales and actual streams like they don't exist? So f**king WHAT if 'One Too Many' isn't on the sales chart or the streaming chart? It still has both of those things. Which are still contributing points to its Hot 100 placement. Alongside its airplay which is still growing (at a glacial pace). You don't get to pick and choose what counts for which songs if you wanna preach about 'chart accuracy'. What I think they should do is use an inverse for all 3 metrics. 50 for 1st on a metric, and 1 for 50th place. In this way, this would prevent songs from reaching #1 from being too strong in one metric. BTS stans can mass buy all the heck they want, they will be capped at 50 points for sales. For OTM, it would only have the 7 points from radio, which would be nowhere near what is needed to chart on the Hot 100. This is stupid because one number one isn’t equal to another number one. Songs fluctuate in sales, streams, airplay so no two weeks are the same. Going by the extremely basic inverse system implies they’re all the same from week to week and doesn’t account for those cases when a song does incredibly well (such as an Adele album-launching single). How about leaving the tabulations up to the professionals. They’re not perfect but at least they know not to go by inverse points of all things lmao
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