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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 2, 2021 13:17:25 GMT -5
the reply "people don't wanna accept that they're equally as famous as western artists"... Homie if stans and stans only are the ONLY thing keeping the song charting at all... They ain't that popular |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 2, 2021 13:17:39 GMT -5
So ARMY stans are harassing Spectrum Pulse again. To any of them lurking to get screencaps: how threatened are you to harass a small YouTuber with less than 500K subscribers? Btw, y'all should subscribe both to the main channel and of course Billboard Breakdown
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jeiboy
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Post by jeiboy on Aug 2, 2021 13:18:36 GMT -5
Now they are aiming for 10th week at #1
to block Stay
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 2, 2021 13:19:10 GMT -5
Crazy to think good 4 u would've capped 10 weeks and ran up on The Box for longest-running #1 single of the decade if Butter didn't exist
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Myth X
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Post by Myth X on Aug 2, 2021 13:19:37 GMT -5
The BoTS army plague is not going to end so get ready because they will be #1 until something truly massive (like 800 points) is released
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Post by strongerq on Aug 2, 2021 13:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 2, 2021 13:21:27 GMT -5
The evidence is all over. Has anyone attempted to email someone from Billboard? I’d be curious how the explain it from their end or what justification they have. Or even reaching out to others in the industry just to get a sense of what others think about this. Maybe we’re wrong to see this as manipulation.
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Post by Myth X on Aug 2, 2021 13:22:55 GMT -5
Now they are aiming for 10th week at #1 to block Stay Yeah because last week they said they wanted to block all the artists of Columbia because their CEO betrayed them supporting Lil Nas. You don't mess with the BoTS plague and you will pay for that Poor Adele, she's from Columbia too I fear  |
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Post by Myth X on Aug 2, 2021 13:23:43 GMT -5
The evidence is all over. Has anyone attempted to email someone from Billboard? We are too busy complaing on Pulse and ATRL |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Aug 2, 2021 13:25:10 GMT -5
The BoTS army plague is not going to end so get ready because they will be #1 until something truly massive (like 800 points) is released BTS can be beaten. You just need to use website sales. Just ask Travis Scott, whose Franchise beat out Dynamite in October. |
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jayhawk1117
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 2, 2021 13:26:19 GMT -5
The evidence is all over. Has anyone attempted to email someone from Billboard? We are too busy complaing on Pulse and ATRL I mean what's a handful of emails to the 500k retweets |
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Post by 85la on Aug 2, 2021 13:26:53 GMT -5
Weeks in the top 10.30 Levitating 16 Kiss Me More 15 Montero (Call Me By Your Name) 11 good 4 u 11 deja vu 10 Butter 4 Bad Habits 3 Stay 3 Permisson to Dance 1 Industry Baby I really like how you keep posting this every week and definitely keep it up, but just a small correction, Bad Habits should be at 5 weeks now. Thanks! |
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Aug 2, 2021 13:27:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm tired of this. We all know BTS does not have the most popular song. Billboard knows it themselves too, so why can't they adjust their formula to weed out the fraudulence? Industry Baby should've been the #1 song of the week, as Good 4 U should've been #1 for WEEKS prior.
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Post by iHype. on Aug 2, 2021 13:29:46 GMT -5
The evidence is all over. Has anyone attempted to email someone from Billboard? I’d be curious how the explain it from their end or what justification they have. Or even reaching out to others in the industry just to get a sense of what others think about this. Maybe we’re wrong to see this as manipulation. Billboard is 100% aware of this, and would probably just ignore it being brought up like they do with anyone pointing out flaws. And it’s not wrong to see it as manipulation, because it factually is. The problem is that artist web stores do not have the same auditing in place that is required from other stores that sell music. If someone goes to Walmart and buys 24 copies of a CD in one transaction, it would get automatically noted as bulk-purchasing in the system and only count as 1 sale. Nielsen Music rules verbatim state this. How is someone buying 24 copies of a song in a web store by themself any different from that? You literally cannot justify that as different lol. |
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Post by reputainbow on Aug 2, 2021 13:30:45 GMT -5
i keep thinking that BTS will get knocked off the top spot, but it's just... never ending. i'm beating a dead horse by saying this, and this isn't anything new, but the #1 is just a complete joke. and it just seems like there's no end in sight. and billboard isn't going to do anything about it.
but i'm really hoping they do. it doesn't have to be next week, but i'm hopeful that billboard will realize one day that weighing down website sales will make their charts less of a joke. maybe i'm just being delusional and they won't do shit because billboard cares more about traffic than legitimacy.
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Post by gikem on Aug 2, 2021 13:31:08 GMT -5
In other news, Stay remains at #1 on the Rolling Stone charts for a third week. Industry Baby debuts just behind it at #2.
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 2, 2021 13:31:33 GMT -5
The BoTS army plague is not going to end so get ready because they will be #1 until something truly massive (like 800 points) is released BTS can be beaten. You just need to use website sales. Just ask Travis Scott, whose Franchise beat out Dynamite in October. you already said this in this thread. dynamite's 100k weeks had already ended by that time. butter's still have not. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 2, 2021 13:33:53 GMT -5
Guess #2 is the new #1
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 2, 2021 13:38:27 GMT -5
The evidence is all over. Has anyone attempted to email someone from Billboard? I’d be curious how the explain it from their end or what justification they have. Or even reaching out to others in the industry just to get a sense of what others think about this. Maybe we’re wrong to see this as manipulation. Billboard is 100% aware of this, and would probably just ignore it being brought up like they do with anyone pointing out flaws. And it’s not wrong to see it as manipulation, because it factually is. The problem is that artist web stores do not have the same auditing in place that is required from other stores that sell music. If someone goes to Walmart and buys 24 copies of a CD in one transaction, it would get automatically noted as bulk-purchasing in the system and only count as 1 sale. Nielsen Music rules verbatim state this. How is someone buying 24 copies of a song in a web store by themself any different from that? You literally cannot justify that as different lol. If anything, it could make for a general interest article for some music magazine or something. Billboard and charts used to be a bigger deal in a larger sense in the 60s-80s. Tbh I’m a bit surprised there hasn’t really been any attention from other music publications or journalists looking for a possible juicy story. Billboard is still seen as the bible for charts but for something as obvious as this happening, and no one is saying anything about it other than us. That’s strange to me. |
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Post by 85la on Aug 2, 2021 13:38:38 GMT -5
Now they are aiming for 10th week at #1 to block Stay Yeah because last week they said they wanted to block all the artists of Columbia because their CEO betrayed them supporting Lil Nas. You don't mess with the BoTS plague and you will pay for that Poor Adele, she's from Columbia too I fear But the label has a lot of control over this as well. They can always pull all remixes, sale-pricing, and funding to the fan donation accounts (if they are indeed a source of that, which is likely), which would make it much, much harder for the song to stay at #1. In regards to the emails, I'm sure many have been sent already, but because Billboard is enabling and complicit with this and possibly has a financial stake in it as well, of course they wouldn't do anything or even respond to them. |
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Post by lyhom on Aug 2, 2021 13:38:46 GMT -5
imagine if good 4 u never got that first week at #1 lmao
just hilarious at this point
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Post by gikem on Aug 2, 2021 13:40:39 GMT -5
Also, if you were expecting LNX to expose Billboard for its flaws once the top 10 was revealed, that doesn’t seem to be the case. He seems to be more proud of his accomplishments than he is mad that the song didn’t go to #1. Maybe it’s a different story with Columbia and LNX’s own team Behind The Scenes (see what I did there?).
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Post by lyhom on Aug 2, 2021 13:43:40 GMT -5
Also, if you were expecting LNX to expose Billboard for its flaws once the top 10 was revealed, that doesn’t seem to be the case. He seems to be more proud of his accomplishments than he is mad that the song didn’t go to #1. Maybe it’s a different story with Columbia and LNX’s own team Behind The Scenes (see what I did there?). tbh that was always gonna be a pipe dream lol I imagine that more people would've cared of it weren't for billboard already seeming like corrupt garbage anyways |
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Post by wjr15 on Aug 2, 2021 13:44:03 GMT -5
I hope Lil Nas X drags Billboard and BTS army on Twitter.
I took a look at BTS stan Twitter for a firsthand look this week and my god are they obnoxious. Only things they tweet are ways to manipulate the Hot 100, attacking/gaslighting anyone who doesn’t worship BTS, and blind adoration for BTS. Reminds me of far right/far left Twitter. Toxic.
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Post by iHype. on Aug 2, 2021 13:44:15 GMT -5
Billboard is 100% aware of this, and would probably just ignore it being brought up like they do with anyone pointing out flaws. And it’s not wrong to see it as manipulation, because it factually is. The problem is that artist web stores do not have the same auditing in place that is required from other stores that sell music. If someone goes to Walmart and buys 24 copies of a CD in one transaction, it would get automatically noted as bulk-purchasing in the system and only count as 1 sale. Nielsen Music rules verbatim state this. How is someone buying 24 copies of a song in a web store by themself any different from that? You literally cannot justify that as different lol. If anything, it could make for a general interest article for some music magazine or something. Billboard and charts used to be a bigger deal in a larger sense in the 60s-80s. Tbh I’m a bit surprised there hasn’t really been any attention from other music publications or journalists looking for a possible juicy story. Billboard is still seen as the bible for charts but for something as obvious as this happening, and no one is saying anything about it other than us. That’s strange to me. Because HITS, Forbes, etc also all love to kiss ass for BTS clicks. |
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Post by Spectrum Pulse on Aug 2, 2021 13:44:50 GMT -5
It's funny how even last week I predicted that 'Industry Baby' having sluggish radio would likely prevent it from the #1 debut.
Meanwhile, 'Butter' maintains its hold at #1 and the major Army accounts took that as a queue to launch another targeted harassment campaign at me - unprovoked this time.
I could go on a diatribe about how the moral high ground is gone altogether many times over, and that if you want a way to forever taint an act in my mind, this is the way to do it, but I also know if being a BTS stan and buying multiple copies of the same song to feed a record label who is mercilessly playing them on a broken chart...
If that's what makes them happy, they have much bigger problems than I'll ever have.
EDIT: also props to Lil Nas X for showing actual class and toeing the company line by not exposing anything. A bit surprised to see it, but interesting all the same.
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 2, 2021 13:45:36 GMT -5
while IB is bigger than butter with actual consumers, the streaming numbers are lower than i expected; under 3 of good 4 u's blocked weeks and under his own hit earlier this year.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 2, 2021 13:46:49 GMT -5
If anything, it could make for a general interest article for some music magazine or something. Billboard and charts used to be a bigger deal in a larger sense in the 60s-80s. Tbh I’m a bit surprised there hasn’t really been any attention from other music publications or journalists looking for a possible juicy story. Billboard is still seen as the bible for charts but for something as obvious as this happening, and no one is saying anything about it other than us. That’s strange to me. Because HITS, Forbes, etc also all love to kiss ass for BTS clicks. All instant clicks and rewards. BTS isn’t forever (unless the buck the trends of every other boyband) and their fans aren’t either. I suppose it’s okay if Billboard allows this manipulation because they’ve have extended periods of inaccuracy on their charts that we all skip over or explain away and still use them regardless. What’s another chapter in a long line of questionable chart tabulation. |
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Post by gikem on Aug 2, 2021 13:52:55 GMT -5
If anything, it could make for a general interest article for some music magazine or something. Billboard and charts used to be a bigger deal in a larger sense in the 60s-80s. Tbh I’m a bit surprised there hasn’t really been any attention from other music publications or journalists looking for a possible juicy story. Billboard is still seen as the bible for charts but for something as obvious as this happening, and no one is saying anything about it other than us. That’s strange to me. Because HITS, Forbes, etc also all love to kiss ass for BTS clicks. And because any article that speaks ill of the band, even if it doesn’t mention BTS specifically in the headline or social media post, will get ratio’d HARD by Army. (That Stereogum article from a while back comes to mind.) |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 2, 2021 13:53:23 GMT -5
At this point, ARMY stans cant hide behind the defense of this being more organic than payola because this being forced on us for 3+ months is worse than any radio deal I've ever seen. At least radio deals know when to call it quits.
Can we get good k-pop to chart? Please?
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