Billboard Hot 100: 08/07/2021

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Notable Gains:
#48. Ryan Hurd with Maren Morris - Chasing After You (+10)
#52. Thomas Rhett - Country Again (+14)
#63. Sleep Hallow - 2055 (+24)
#73. Dua Lipa - Love Again (+16)
#77. Old Dominion - I Was On a Boat that Day (+13)
#78. Jameson Rodgers feat. Luke Combs - Cold Beer Calling My Name (+22)
#79. Chris Stapleton - You Should Probably Leave (+19)
#82. Elvis Shane - My Boy (+13)

Notable Losses
#33. Post Malone - Motley Crew (-10)
#45. Normani feat. Cardi B - Wild Side (-34)
#65. Jason Aldean - Blame It On You (-29)
#66. Miranda Lambert - Settling Down (-13)
#87. Billie Eilish - NDA (-12)
#91. Young Thug and Gunna - Ski (-17)
#96. Blake Shelton - Minimum Wage (-13)
#98. Trippie Redd feat. Lil Uzi Vert (-48)

Re-entries:
#86. Carly Pearce - Next Girl
#97. Tate McRae and Khalid - working

Biggest Gain in Sales and Airplay: STAY
Biggest Gain in Streaming: Country Again

Notable Dropouts:
drivers license (28 weeks), pov (20 weeks) t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l (6 weeks), jealousy jealousy (9 weeks)

Gained in points:
#7. Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits (-1)
#10. Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu (-1)
#14. Walker Hayes - Fancy Like (+1)
#19. Doja Cat and The Weeknd - You Right (=)
#24. Marshmello and the Jonas Brothers - Leave Before You Love Me (=)
#25. Nelly and Florida Georgia Line - Lil Bit (+1)
#26. Cole Swindell - Single Saturday Night (+1)
#29. Roddy Ricch - Late at Night (+4)
#30. Glass Animals - Heat Waves (+2)
#31. Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist (+3)
#32. Chase Rice feat. Florida Georgia Line - Drinkin' Beer. Talkin' God. Amen. (+5)
#35. Kali Uchis - telepatía(+3)
#37. Doja Cat - Need to Know (+9)
#53. Luke Bryan - Wave (+8)
#55. Duncan Laurence - Arcade (+2)
#56. Keith Urban with P!nk - One Too Many (-1)
#58. Regard, Troye Sivan, and Tate McRae - You (+2)
#59. WizKid feat. Tems - Essence (+8)
#61. Kane Brown and blackbear - Memory (+9)
#62. Justin Moore - We Didn't Have Much (+3)
#70. Tai Verdes - A-O-K (+8)
#72. Rod Wave - Tombstone (+5)
#76. H.E.R. feat. Chris Brown - Come Through (+8)

[nekotuo]

I have a question, how did "You Right" gain in points when that track is mostly declining on streaming? Because of radio?

[joshtheking]

Aug 3, 2021 7:37:38 GMT -5 nekotuo said:

I have a question, how did "You Right" gain in points when that track is mostly declining on streaming? Because of radio?

Yes, it's rising on radio every day

[HolidayGuy]

Country tracks again making nice strides on the chart.

[Darkest Hour]

Is it too early to discuss whether Forever After All will hit 52 weeks on Hot 100 and become first country song to do so in new recurrency rules (I think?). 12 weeks to go.
Also You Should Probably Leave is going to have decent sized split chart runs in two chart years. Hope it can still make the next year's year-end charts.

[gikem]

Wow, Drivers License is gone already. Did not see that coming.

[Groovy]

I love the gains this week but most of the songs that gained in points (mainly country) are not good.

[jthentic]

Aug 3, 2021 9:06:56 GMT -5 gikem said:

Wow, Drivers License is gone already. Did not see that coming.

It would have gone much earlier but then Sour dropped. Anyways had a great run, a memorable #1 👏 other than the organic widely-popular & resonating masterpiece i.e., butter 😂😂

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 3, 2021 9:05:56 GMT -5 Darkest Hour said:

Is it too early to discuss whether Forever After All will hit 52 weeks on Hot 100 and become first country song to do so in new recurrency rules (I think?). 12 weeks to go.
Also You Should Probably Leave is going to have decent sized split chart runs in two chart years. Hope it can still make the next year's year-end charts.

Not really, FAA is charting higher than Mood and MEBF in Week 40. But FAA wouldn’t be the first country song to hit 52 weeks. I Hope did earlier this year.

[divasummer]

Maybe the industry doesn’t mind all that much because there making money off of all these BTS sales.
I know “Butter” has been basically on sale the whole time of release but 1.3 million in sales still brings in some money???
Things have also changed a lot and maybe having the num.1 song in the country isn’t as big of a deal to the labels anymore????
I don’t know, it is a bit strange..

[joshtheking]

Aug 3, 2021 9:05:56 GMT -5 Darkest Hour said:

Is it too early to discuss whether Forever After All will hit 52 weeks on Hot 100 and become first country song to do so in new recurrency rules (I think?). 12 weeks to go.
Also You Should Probably Leave is going to have decent sized split chart runs in two chart years. Hope it can still make the next year's year-end charts.

The Bones hit 52 weeks last year and I Hope 62

[Darkest Hour]

Aug 3, 2021 9:20:43 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 9:05:56 GMT -5 Darkest Hour said:

Is it too early to discuss whether Forever After All will hit 52 weeks on Hot 100 and become first country song to do so in new recurrency rules (I think?). 12 weeks to go.
Also You Should Probably Leave is going to have decent sized split chart runs in two chart years. Hope it can still make the next year's year-end charts.

Not really, FAA is charting higher than Mood and MEBF in Week 40. But FAA wouldn’t be the first country song to hit 52 weeks. I Hope did earlier this year.

Aug 3, 2021 9:32:27 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

Aug 3, 2021 9:05:56 GMT -5 Darkest Hour said:

Is it too early to discuss whether Forever After All will hit 52 weeks on Hot 100 and become first country song to do so in new recurrency rules (I think?). 12 weeks to go.
Also You Should Probably Leave is going to have decent sized split chart runs in two chart years. Hope it can still make the next year's year-end charts.

The Bones hit 52 weeks last year and I Hope 62

I should probably add the modifier which is "without being sent to pop radio".

[gikem]

Aug 3, 2021 9:26:14 GMT -5 divasummer said:

Maybe the industry doesn’t mind all that much because there making money off of all these BTS sales.
I know “Butter” has been basically on sale the whole time of release but 1.3 million in sales still brings in some money???
Things have also changed a lot and maybe having the num.1 song in the country isn’t as big of a deal to the labels anymore????
I don’t know, it is a bit strange..

Yeah, from what I can tell, the industry as a whole tends to make a lot more money off of sales than streaming/radio. Todd In The Shadows even mentioned it in his last video that he posted yesterday. It sucks for us chart-watchers that Billboard's formula seems to be more reflective of industry revenue than actual popularity in that way, but there's nothing we can do about it until they take action themselves.

Regarding your third point, I still think the labels, artists, and their teams care. When the #1 spot got super weak throughout last year, labels took advantage of it by using the power of sales to debut at or surge to #1. They knew sales were easy to manipulate because they were mostly at all-time lows as most music listeners had shifted to streaming long ago. This isn't unlike in the early 2000s when American Idol winners could debut at #1 because of massive physical sales in an era where the Hot 100 was almost exclusively radio-based and digital sales had already eclipsed physical sales in popularity before they were even counted.

The only difference is that BTS/Columbia are the only ones doing it week after week, unlike most labels and stans that only do it for the bragging rights of having a #1 in the first place. Whether that mindset will change in the coming years is yet to be seen.

[ontopofthis]

Jul 29, 2021 9:35:57 GMT -5 Choco said:

Jul 29, 2021 9:31:18 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

22,000 posts? There must be nothing to do in Venezuela

Nope. Just patiently waiting for you to post dumb s**t I can disprove in between our power shortages and the days-long queue to get a little bit of gasoline.

How pathetic

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 3, 2021 8:37:45 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Country tracks again making nice strides on the chart.

Country radio getting too much weight for the Hot 100 is a problem. A lot of the country songs are ranked too high on the chart, and some don’t even deserve to be charting at all. Amazing how the lowest ranked song on country radio call outs re-entered the chart, despite not ranking on any of the metric charts, is 297 on iTunes Store, 1218 on Apple Music, and not ranked on Spotify. Then, you’ve got the song with the 2nd worst call out score charting because country radio has been pushing since last October and won’t seem to let it go.

Yes, country radio needs to be downweighted.

[Az Paynter]

...can any of the tractors be bothered to school this clown on country radio? 'Cause I have zero energy for this one.

[rimetm]

You were just saying not to pick and choose, and yet that’s exactly what you’re doing. Radio’s points are based on listenership, and Country is one of, if not the most listened-to formats in the nation. Unless you want to completely change how radio works on the charts, you either need to advocate for downweighting radio as a whole or drop it.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 3, 2021 10:35:52 GMT -5 rimetm said:

You were just saying not to pick and choose, and yet that’s exactly what you’re doing. Radio’s points are based on listenership, and Country is one of, if not the most listened-to formats in the nation. Unless you want to completely change how radio works on the charts, you either need to advocate for downweighting radio as a whole or drop it.

Who's gonna tell him that when we go by an inverse system of ranking, all these country songs are gonna benefit the most

[nathanalbright]

Country radio has increased in influence over the past year and a half or so because it remains one of the most viable radio formats in terms of listenership. Interestingly enough, the different habits of country music fans relative to other fans (including their fondness for Amazon Music) as opposed to Spotify is one of the things that keeps chartwatching somewhat interesting.

[Mayman]

Aug 3, 2021 10:29:27 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 8:37:45 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Country tracks again making nice strides on the chart.

Country radio getting too much weight for the Hot 100 is a problem. A lot of the country songs are ranked too high on the chart, and some don’t even deserve to be charting at all. Amazing how the lowest ranked song on country radio call outs re-entered the chart, despite not ranking on any of the metric charts, is 297 on iTunes Store, 1218 on Apple Music, and not ranked on Spotify. Then, you’ve got the song with the 2nd worst call out score charting because country radio has been pushing since last October and won’t seem to let it go.

Yes, country radio needs to be downweighted.

Do you ever get tired of this? Do you not understand how annoying you are to other people here?

It's funny because just yesterday you were telling people about how you can't take out one metric or pick and choose what metrics should count, but then go and post this. Please just for us all, stop and think about what you are writing before you post.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 3, 2021 10:29:27 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 8:37:45 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Country tracks again making nice strides on the chart.

Country radio getting too much weight for the Hot 100 is a problem. A lot of the country songs are ranked too high on the chart, and some don’t even deserve to be charting at all. Amazing how the lowest ranked song on country radio call outs re-entered the chart, despite not ranking on any of the metric charts, is 297 on iTunes Store, 1218 on Apple Music, and not ranked on Spotify. Then, you’ve got the song with the 2nd worst call out score charting because country radio has been pushing since last October and won’t seem to let it go.

Yes, country radio needs to be downweighted.

Why? How is country radio weighed too much?

The problem here is that you’re painting country radio with the same brush as you paint pop radio in relation to streaming. Country audiences don’t stream or buy songs the same way pop audiences might. Country listeners are much more in tune with country radio compared to other formats. It’s an entirely different ballgame and I’d even suggest that country radio is a better representation for what country music fans hear and listen to than any other source, particularly compared to other genres of music (for better or for worse). The fact is, country radio and its listeners contribute to how popular a song is as part of the overall conversation of song popularity at any given point in time. The issue is that country and non-country (every other format and genre) don’t often overlap so you have songs making the all-genre chart (the Hot 100) that quite literally exist in their own bubble but are able to accumulate enough points to join the competition on the main stage.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

And phieaglesfan712, I’d actually like a response because you have a tendency to ignore any post that opposes anything you say (unless it’s a shallow insult, which you do sometimes acknowledge). You’re good at spewing posts in these threads but not so much at having actual discussions. So let’s have one.

[nathanalbright]

We all know what the issue is here, man's trying to judge what he does not understand.

[GW]

Drivers License's run is very reminiscent of Adele's "Hello" - so massively huge out of the gate that it ran out of gas sooner than many monster hits that never reached similar heights, consumption-wise.

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 3, 2021 10:39:32 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 3, 2021 10:35:52 GMT -5 rimetm said:

You were just saying not to pick and choose, and yet that’s exactly what you’re doing. Radio’s points are based on listenership, and Country is one of, if not the most listened-to formats in the nation. Unless you want to completely change how radio works on the charts, you either need to advocate for downweighting radio as a whole or drop it.

Who's gonna tell him that when we go by an inverse system of ranking, all these country songs are gonna benefit the most

I think I may have an inverse formula that might work. Let's try this system, where weeks in the Top 50 are rewarded and a bonus for each week at #1:


Position Points

1          55

2          50

3          49

4          48

5          47

6          46

7          45

8          44

9          43

10        42

11        41

12        40

13        39

14        38

15        37

16        36

17        35

18        34

19        33

20        32

21        31

22        30

23        29

24        28

25        27

26        26

27        25

28        24

29        23

30        22

31        21

32        20

33        19

34        18

35        17

36        16

37        15

38        14

39        13

40        12

41        11

42        10

43        9

44        8

45        7

46        6

47        5

48        4

49        3

50        2

51-100 1

[GW]

Aug 3, 2021 11:27:28 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

And phieaglesfan712 , I’d actually like a response because you have a tendency to ignore any post that opposes anything you say (unless it’s a shallow insult, which you do sometimes acknowledge). You’re good at spewing posts in these threads but not so much at having actual discussions. So let’s have one.

There's a - dare I say - trumpism to his posting style.  Spew the same nonsense talking points relentlessly, knowing the negative attention it will get from the majority, and then just avoid answering any questions that hold him accountable for anything he says.

It seems very much on purpose.  



EDIT:  that post above mine ranks among the dumbest ideas ever written on pulse.

[Choco]

RIP "pov", that Fornite concert is coming way too late to help it (and it's not a song that would translate well with that audience anyways).

[korbel16]

So .. did drivers license really miss the decade end list now ? This is insane lol 😭

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 3, 2021 11:49:03 GMT -5 GW said:

Aug 3, 2021 11:27:28 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

And phieaglesfan712 , I’d actually like a response because you have a tendency to ignore any post that opposes anything you say (unless it’s a shallow insult, which you do sometimes acknowledge). You’re good at spewing posts in these threads but not so much at having actual discussions. So let’s have one.

There's a - dare I say - trumpism to his posting style.  Spew the same nonsense talking points relentlessly, knowing the negative attention it will get from the majority, and then just avoid answering any questions that hold him accountable for anything he says.

It seems very much on purpose.  



EDIT:  that post above mine ranks among the dumbest ideas ever written on pulse.

Yeah, it’s actually more frustrating than I should allow it to be. I hate when people continue to talk but refuse to listen and engage in a conversation. It’s like, what makes you think you’re so important that you deserve to have people listen to you when you refuse to acknowledge anyone’s responses to you?

And for the record, I could block him but 80% of the time I’m on pulse I use the app that doesn’t seem to skip over blocked posts so I’d still see them regardless. I could ignore but he posts so much. As I said the other week, I like his passion. I just wish he wouldn’t so damn stubborn.

[Naos]

Aug 3, 2021 10:29:27 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 8:37:45 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Country tracks again making nice strides on the chart.

Country radio getting too much weight for the Hot 100 is a problem. A lot of the country songs are ranked too high on the chart, and some don’t even deserve to be charting at all. Amazing how the lowest ranked song on country radio call outs re-entered the chart, despite not ranking on any of the metric charts, is 297 on iTunes Store, 1218 on Apple Music, and not ranked on Spotify. Then, you’ve got the song with the 2nd worst call out score charting because country radio has been pushing since last October and won’t seem to let it go.

Yes, country radio needs to be downweighted.

You can't just downweight a specific genre in a metric because they happen to do well in it. That'd be like saying let's reduce streaming, but just for hip-hop.

And country has been doing better in streaming ("Country Again" was even the streaming gainer of the week), and has always had decent sales.

Call outs don't matter that much in the grand scheme of things, and it doesn't need to rank on any metrics, because metrics only go 50 songs deep.

Country also tends to do better on Pandora and Amazon Music rather than Spotify and Apple Music, with few exceptions like the current huge hit "Fancy Like".