Billboard Hot 100: 08/07/2021

[GW]

Aug 3, 2021 12:07:22 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Yeah, it’s actually more frustrating than I should allow it to be. I hate when people continue to talk but refuse to listen and engage in a conversation. It’s like, what makes you think you’re so important that you deserve to have people listen to you when you refuse to acknowledge anyone’s responses to you?

And for the record, I could block him but 80% of the time I’m on pulse I use the app that doesn’t seem to skip over blocked posts so I’d still see them regardless. I could ignore but he posts so much. As I said the other week, I like his passion. I just wish he wouldn’t so damn stubborn.

And really, I'm not trying to bully him or anyone, I'm trying to provide tough love because I too see something redeemable in there somewhere.  And nothing else seemed to work.  He just can't seem to see beyond himself or his very narrow line of thinking to be a welcome part of a group conversation.  It's unfortunate, and I've mentioned this before, but if this were a real room full of people somewhere, I highly doubt he would act this way, or hang around and keep saying the same stuff.  He'd either end up leaving or be forced to leave, or get punched in the face by someone with anger management issues.  And I'm not saying that's ok, by any means.  It's just the harsh reality of the real world when you refuse to read a room.

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As for DL's ranking on the GOAT charts, it's one of the downfalls of an inverse point system.  It doesn't take into account how huge some weeks are compared to others.

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 3, 2021 11:19:58 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Aug 3, 2021 10:29:27 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Country radio getting too much weight for the Hot 100 is a problem. A lot of the country songs are ranked too high on the chart, and some don’t even deserve to be charting at all. Amazing how the lowest ranked song on country radio call outs re-entered the chart, despite not ranking on any of the metric charts, is 297 on iTunes Store, 1218 on Apple Music, and not ranked on Spotify. Then, you’ve got the song with the 2nd worst call out score charting because country radio has been pushing since last October and won’t seem to let it go.

Yes, country radio needs to be downweighted.

Why? How is country radio weighed too much?

The problem here is that you’re painting country radio with the same brush as you paint pop radio in relation to streaming. Country audiences don’t stream or buy songs the same way pop audiences might. Country listeners are much more in tune with country radio compared to other formats. It’s an entirely different ballgame and I’d even suggest that country radio is a better representation for what country music fans hear and listen to than any other source, particularly compared to other genres of music (for better or for worse). The fact is, country radio and its listeners contribute to how popular a song is as part of the overall conversation of song popularity at any given point in time. The issue is that country and non-country (every other format and genre) don’t often overlap so you have songs making the all-genre chart (the Hot 100) that quite literally exist in their own bubble but are able to accumulate enough points to join the competition on the main stage.

The problem I have with country radio is that they push every song, no matter how bad their call out scores are. Sometimes, they push the song months on end. Then, when a song finally reaches #1 on the format, country radio drops it and if the song didn’t crossover, it falls like a rock. Country radio runs are so inorganic, at least in my opinion. It isn’t any different than BTS stans mass-buying their way to #1 or extra weeks on the chart.

[nathanalbright]

That's just how the country radio system tends to work. The stuff that crosses over (or has strong sales/streaming) tends to make the YE and the stuff that is just popular on radio doesn't. Quite frequently songs chart that have been out for years already (two years and up is not uncommon). Fans tend to either learn about songs from the radio or from going to concerts, unless they are diehards enough to buy the albums that the songs come from.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 3, 2021 11:46:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 10:39:32 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Who's gonna tell him that when we go by an inverse system of ranking, all these country songs are gonna benefit the most

I think I may have an inverse formula that might work. Let's try this system, where weeks in the Top 50 are rewarded and a bonus for each week at #1:


Position Points

1          55

2          50

3          49

4          48

5          47

6          46

7          45

8          44

9          43

10        42

11        41

12        40

13        39

14        38

15        37

16        36

17        35

18        34

19        33

20        32

21        31

22        30

23        29

24        28

25        27

26        26

27        25

28        24

29        23

30        22

31        21

32        20

33        19

34        18

35        17

36        16

37        15

38        14

39        13

40        12

41        11

42        10

43        9

44        8

45        7

46        6

47        5

48        4

49        3

50        2

51-100 1

Okay now you're just overcomplicating things even more. Why not just tally airplay, streams, views, and sales and weigh them properly? Why stick to an arbitrary Top 50 for each format?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 3, 2021 12:31:02 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 11:19:58 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Why? How is country radio weighed too much?

The problem here is that you’re painting country radio with the same brush as you paint pop radio in relation to streaming. Country audiences don’t stream or buy songs the same way pop audiences might. Country listeners are much more in tune with country radio compared to other formats. It’s an entirely different ballgame and I’d even suggest that country radio is a better representation for what country music fans hear and listen to than any other source, particularly compared to other genres of music (for better or for worse). The fact is, country radio and its listeners contribute to how popular a song is as part of the overall conversation of song popularity at any given point in time. The issue is that country and non-country (every other format and genre) don’t often overlap so you have songs making the all-genre chart (the Hot 100) that quite literally exist in their own bubble but are able to accumulate enough points to join the competition on the main stage.

The problem I have with country radio is that they push every song, no matter how bad their call out scores are. Sometimes, they push the song months on end. Then, when a song finally reaches #1 on the format, country radio drops it and if the song didn’t crossover, it falls like a rock. Country radio runs are so inorganic, at least in my opinion. It isn’t any different than BTS stans mass-buying their way to #1 or extra weeks on the chart.

Why are you relying on call-out scores so much though?

Whether organic or not, the thing with radio is that the songs are being heard by the number of people reported by Nielsen (with the exception of just after COVID lockdowns when radio ratings dropped but they weren’t reflected right away by ratings and stuff). Simply put, you’re looking at the wrong end of radio. How songs are pushed is a different issue because those songs are still heard by listeners.

[gikem]

Yeah, a good indicator as to what country songs stand the test of Hot 100 turnover and make the YE would be how early it shows up on the chart relative to when it was released. There are exceptions, too (I wouldn't be surprised to see Single Saturday Night make the YE despite the song peaking over a year after its release as a single), but most of the time it's songs that show up on the Hot 100 at a point in their runs where they've not yet cracked the top 20 of the Mediabase Country chart.

[GW]

Labels push their songs at any format.  So if that's inorganic, then, most radio success across all formats is, too.

And not every country song gets a sustained radio push.  That's a wild exaggeration.  For every song that achieves success on country radio, there's another that comes and goes very quickly.

[Gary]

Since there seems to be a keen interest in country radio

Here is the current top 60


TW LW 2W WOC TITLE PEAK
1 1 2 57 Single Saturday Night, Cole Swindell 1
2 2 5 35 Drinkin' Beer. Talkin' God. Amen., Chase Rice Featuring Florida Georgia Line 2
3 3 4 35 Famous Friends, Chris Young + Kane Brown 1
4 5 6 26 Glad You Exist, Dan + Shay 4
5 4 3 29 Forever After All, Luke Combs 1
6 6 8 17 Waves, Luke Bryan 6
7 7 9 41 We Didn't Have Much, Justin Moore 7
8 10 10 16 Country Again, Thomas Rhett 8
9 11 11 32 Things A Man Oughta Know, Lainey Wilson 9
10 12 13 45 One Too Many, Keith Urban Duet With P!nk 10
11 13 14 39 You Time, Scotty McCreery 11
12 16 16 34 Cold Beer Calling My Name, Jameson Rodgers Featuring Luke Combs 12
13 14 15 11 I Was On A Boat That Day, Old Dominion 13
14 15 18 39 Memory I Don't Mess With, Lee Brice 14
15 17 17 43 My Boy, Elvie Shane 15
16 18 19 45 Next Girl, Carly Pearce 16
17 21 21 21 Like A Lady, Lady A 17
18 22 20 21 Knowing You, Kenny Chesney 18
19 23 23 22 Chasing After You, Ryan Hurd With Maren Morris 19
20 19 22 27 Freedom Was A Highway, Jimmie Allen & Brad Paisley 19
21 24 25 28 Tequila Little Time, Jon Pardi 21
22 28 35 4 Cold As You, Luke Combs 22
23 26 26 41 Whiskey And Rain, Michael Ray 23
24 25 24 45 Just About Over You, Priscilla Block 24
25 27 27 19 It's 'Cause I Am, Callista Clark 25
26 30 29 8 Same Boat, Zac Brown Band 25
27 29 28 13 Thinking 'Bout You, Dustin Lynch Featuring MacKenzie Porter 27
28 20 - 2 If I Didn't Love You, Jason Aldean & Carrie Underwood 20
29 31 30 11 You Should Probably Leave, Chris Stapleton 29
30 32 31 28 Home Sweet, Russell Dickerson 30
31 33 33 15 Half Of My Hometown, Kelsea Ballerini Featuring Kenny Chesney 31
32 36 38 4 Fancy Like, Walker Hayes 32
33 35 32 24 To Be Loved By You, Parker McCollum 32
34 - - 1 Beers On Me, Dierks Bentley, Breland & HARDY 34
35 34 34 10 Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home), Elle King & Miranda Lambert 34
36 40 59 3 Buy Dirt, Jordan Davis Featuring Luke Bryan 36
37 37 36 22 Give Heaven Some Hell, HARDY 36
38 38 43 3 Heart On Fire, Eric Church 38
39 39 39 4 That's What Cowboys Do, Garth Brooks 39
40 41 40 22 That Ain't Me No More, Matt Stell 39
41 42 47 5 Sand In My Boots, Morgan Wallen 41
42 44 42 6 Lil Bit, Nelly & Florida Georgia Line 42
43 46 44 35 Where I Find God, Larry Fleet 43
44 45 45 37 If It Wasn't For Trucks, Riley Green 41
45 47 46 22 Getting Over Him, Lauren Alaina Duet With Jon Pardi 41
46 43 41 7 The Worst Country Song Of All Time, Brantley Gilbert Featuring Toby Keith & HARDY 32
47 48 48 15 Not Yet, Brett Young 37
48 49 49 9 Back Then, Right Now, Tenille Arts 48
49 50 50 13 I'm Not For Everyone, Brothers Osborne 44
50 51 51 24 I Can't, Caitlyn Smith Featuring Old Dominion 44
51 57 53 6 Old School, Toby Keith 25
52 54 58 9 You Ain't Pretty, Nate Barnes 51
53 52 54 15 Fill Them Boots, Chris Lane 41
54 55 56 9 While You're Gone, Drew Parker 49
55 53 52 10 No Sad Songs, Niko Moon 49
56 - - 1 Footprints On The Moon, Gabby Barrett 56
57 56 55 8 My Masterpiece, Darius Rucker 51
58 58 57 11 Hot Beer, Dillon Carmichael 53
59 59 - 2 Till There's Nothing Left, Cam 59
60 60 60 10 Would Have Loved Her, Chris Bandi 52

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 3, 2021 12:40:11 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 3, 2021 11:46:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I think I may have an inverse formula that might work. Let's try this system, where weeks in the Top 50 are rewarded and a bonus for each week at #1:


Position Points

1          55

2          50

3          49

4          48

5          47

6          46

7          45

8          44

9          43

10        42

11        41

12        40

13        39

14        38

15        37

16        36

17        35

18        34

19        33

20        32

21        31

22        30

23        29

24        28

25        27

26        26

27        25

28        24

29        23

30        22

31        21

32        20

33        19

34        18

35        17

36        16

37        15

38        14

39        13

40        12

41        11

42        10

43        9

44        8

45        7

46        6

47        5

48        4

49        3

50        2

51-100 1

Okay now you're just overcomplicating things even more. Why not just tally airplay, streams, views, and sales and weigh them properly? Why stick to an arbitrary Top 50 for each format?

The problem with that is recurrent rules. That’s why I give a reward for weeks in the Top 50. In fact, I think I should adjust the scale to give a larger award for weeks in the Top 25, to account for the 25/52 rule.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 3, 2021 12:56:48 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 12:40:11 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Okay now you're just overcomplicating things even more. Why not just tally airplay, streams, views, and sales and weigh them properly? Why stick to an arbitrary Top 50 for each format?

The problem with that is recurrent rules. That’s why I give a reward for weeks in the Top 50. In fact, I think I should adjust the scale to give a larger award for weeks in the Top 25, to account for the 25/52 rule.

You are not listening to me. You have not explained why this system is easier than just tallying up all the units sold a song has accumulated within a week?

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 3, 2021 13:01:56 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 3, 2021 12:56:48 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

The problem with that is recurrent rules. That’s why I give a reward for weeks in the Top 50. In fact, I think I should adjust the scale to give a larger award for weeks in the Top 25, to account for the 25/52 rule.

You are not listening to me. You have not explained why this system is easier than just tallying up all the units sold a song has accumulated within a week?

My system is a lot easier because all you have to do is look up the position of the songs throughout their chart run, take the associated value, and add up. I think adding up the units sold method would get a little messy, and with so many songs charting below 50 this year (HER last few weeks, Savage Love’s last week, and OTM’s post-20 week), if those points count, then does BL’s stats from the Christmas week it was off the charts count, since it accumulated more stats? And if BL’s stats from that week do not count, then I can argue the system is arbitrary.

[Gary]

Aug 3, 2021 13:32:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 13:01:56 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

You are not listening to me. You have not explained why this system is easier than just tallying up all the units sold a song has accumulated within a week?

My system is a lot easier because all you have to do is look up the position of the songs throughout their chart run, take the associated value, and add up. I think adding up the units sold method would get a little messy, and with so many songs charting below 50 this year (HER last few weeks, Savage Love’s last week, and OTM’s post-20 week), if those points count, then does BL’s stats from the Christmas week it was off the charts count, since it accumulated more stats? And if BL’s stats from that week do not count, then I can argue the system is arbitrary.

LOL I was kind of wondering where the discussion about country radio that you started would eventually connect back to Blinding Lights LOL

[kimberly]

Aug 3, 2021 13:32:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 13:01:56 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

You are not listening to me. You have not explained why this system is easier than just tallying up all the units sold a song has accumulated within a week?

My system is a lot easier because all you have to do is look up the position of the songs throughout their chart run, take the associated value, and add up. I think adding up the units sold method would get a little messy, and with so many songs charting below 50 this year (HER last few weeks, Savage Love’s last week, and OTM’s post-20 week), if those points count, then does BL’s stats from the Christmas week it was off the charts count, since it accumulated more stats? And if BL’s stats from that week do not count, then I can argue the system is arbitrary.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 3, 2021 13:32:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 13:01:56 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

You are not listening to me. You have not explained why this system is easier than just tallying up all the units sold a song has accumulated within a week?

My system is a lot easier because all you have to do is look up the position of the songs throughout their chart run, take the associated value, and add up. I think adding up the units sold method would get a little messy, and with so many songs charting below 50 this year (HER last few weeks, Savage Love’s last week, and OTM’s post-20 week), if those points count, then does BL’s stats from the Christmas week it was off the charts count, since it accumulated more stats? And if BL’s stats from that week do not count, then I can argue the system is arbitrary.

So basically what it boils down to is: you dont like looking at stats for hundreds of songs for a chart all about MEASURE OF CONSUMPTION WITHIN A WEEK so f**k actual units sold and just go by where they placed within their formats.

Yes, youre supposed to count all units and if that's hard, too f**king bad because the chart is supposed to be responsible and accurate over being digestible, which is what your inverse ranking is. Rime and I have already debunked why going by this inverse ranking is even more inaccurate than how the charts are right now.

[nathanalbright]

"I look around and
This thread is cold and empty.
No one's around to judge me..."

***

Congrats on OTM reaching top ten on country, finally.

***

When this thread is placed in its honored place among the busiest threads for the chart chat, can we label this thread as "trying to teach Phieagles about country music" as to the reason for its length?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 3, 2021 13:32:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 3, 2021 13:01:56 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

You are not listening to me. You have not explained why this system is easier than just tallying up all the units sold a song has accumulated within a week?

My system is a lot easier because all you have to do is look up the position of the songs throughout their chart run, take the associated value, and add up. I think adding up the units sold method would get a little messy, and with so many songs charting below 50 this year (HER last few weeks, Savage Love’s last week, and OTM’s post-20 week), if those points count, then does BL’s stats from the Christmas week it was off the charts count, since it accumulated more stats? And if BL’s stats from that week do not count, then I can argue the system is arbitrary.

Every post you make makes me more and more certain that you actually have no idea about how charts work or what their purpose is. I’d also venture a guess that you’ve never taken any sort of statistics or basic science classes either because you seem to aggressively lack any sort of understanding about anything chart-related. It’s actually mind boggling. My suggestion is to try to learn - either through other people on here (feel free to ask questions) or attempting some sort of research. I’m being serious. You’re actually incorrect in one way or another with every claim and suggestion you make regarding charts. Like….not even an exaggeration.

Edit: and there’s nothing wrong with not understanding it or asking questions. As I’ve always said, it’s not that ignorance itself is bad, it’s what you do with it that matters. Do you want to remain ignorant and spew incorrect falsities, or do you genuinely want to learn and become more familiar and understanding? The choice is yours.

[Verisimilitude]

Andrew Unterberger: Yep, he's there. The success of "Montero" may have seemed largely hype-driven at first, but the song has stuck around -- spending 14 of its 18 weeks on the Hot 100 in the chart's top 10 -- and now "Industry Baby" looks on its way to following a similar trajectory. (As long as BTS is going to sell as many copies as they need to stay on top each week, No. 2 debuts are basically the new No. 1 debuts.) He's got the hits, he's got the videos, he's got the live performances, he's certainly got the personality and the social media presence -- that adds up to a pop star in 2021, and a rather important one.

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9609602/lil-nas-x-industry-baby-five-burning-questions/

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 3, 2021 13:45:27 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 3, 2021 13:32:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

My system is a lot easier because all you have to do is look up the position of the songs throughout their chart run, take the associated value, and add up. I think adding up the units sold method would get a little messy, and with so many songs charting below 50 this year (HER last few weeks, Savage Love’s last week, and OTM’s post-20 week), if those points count, then does BL’s stats from the Christmas week it was off the charts count, since it accumulated more stats? And if BL’s stats from that week do not count, then I can argue the system is arbitrary.

So basically what it boils down to is: you dont like looking at stats for hundreds of songs for a chart all about MEASURE OF CONSUMPTION WITHIN A WEEK so f**k actual units sold and just go by where they placed within their formats.

Yes, youre supposed to count all units and if that's hard, too f**king bad because the chart is supposed to be responsible and accurate over being digestible, which is what your inverse ranking is. Rime and I have already debunked why going by this inverse ranking is even more inaccurate than how the charts are right now.

Okay then, if all units count, then I can live with such a ranking. 

[Gary]

In the end. Though.

Since this method is nothing more than a way to compile your personal chart. You can do whatever you want

[Mayman]

I don't think I've ever pressed like on Gary's posts as much as I have this week. He has had ENOUGH.

[nathanalbright]

I don't think that anyone objects to a personal chart that is run on an inverse chart position fashion (I did one myself in my early 20's for convenience' sake) so long as one does not intend such a thing to be used for more official purposes.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 3, 2021 14:52:36 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I don't think I've ever pressed like on Gary's posts as much as I have this week. He has had ENOUGH.

Even though he is basically having his own side conversation lmao

[nathanalbright]

What's wrong with side conversations? Don't hate the player, hate the game .

[atg]

I really hope Blinding Lights hits like 90 weeks…





Then drops out so Take My Breath and The Dawn era can be focused on. Hopefully You Right can pick up some steam because why not. SYT might follow suit and naturally make its exit or become another BL, but i really hope it doesn’t so that phieagles can finally find an actual job.

[nathanalbright]

Be careful what you wish for:

[dann]

I hope this discussion goes viral

[nathanalbright]

Twitter is a good place for things to go viral .

[kindofbiased]

Army has already come to the conclusion that that was a direct attack on them because duh but I genuinely can’t tell what tone he was going for in that quote

[Verisimilitude]

The Army are having meltdowns on Twitter. Truly the scariest stanbase of all time.

[Mayman]

#BoycottBillboard