Billboard Hot 100: 10/23/2021

[nathanalbright]

Are you going to try your hand at prophetic takes?

[Choco]

Butter barely top 20 on the recurrent chart lol. The money ran out.

[phieaglesfan712]

Perfect, which debuted on the Hot 100 over 4 years ago, charted higher than Butter on the recurrent chart this week. Let that sink in for a moment.

[atg]

Oct 19, 2021 14:55:09 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Oct 19, 2021 14:47:39 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

No. 7, Doja Cat feat. SZA, "Kiss Me More" (SZA, Yeti Beats, Roget Chahayed, tizhimself, Carter Lang, Dr. Luke, Terry Shaddick, Steve Kipner)
No. 13, Doja Cat, "Need to Know" (Dr. Luke)
No. 18, Doja Cat & The Weeknd, "You Right" (The Weeknd, Dr. Luke)

Huh. I wasn't aware the singles were all the luke songs. very katy perry-esque.

This is definitely the worst part of Doja’s career. It doesn’t help that all of these songs are some of her most stabilized hits so far, therefore bringing in more revenue for this “person”. The more that we get rid of him the better.

[lazer]

Oct 20, 2021 11:46:37 GMT -5 atg said:

Oct 19, 2021 14:55:09 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Huh. I wasn't aware the singles were all the luke songs. very katy perry-esque.

This is definitely the worst part of Doja’s career. It doesn’t help that all of these songs are some of her most stabilized hits so far, therefore bringing in more revenue for this “person”. The more that we get rid of him the better.

Tbh, it ain’t her fault. She was signed to his contract before the Kesha lawsuit. She’s trapped for sure.

[mms82]

static.billboard.com/files/2020/11/10-16-21-SP-online_bulletin-1634170733.pdf

looked into it more, Dr. Luke is #3 on the overall songwriters chart and Dr. Luke is in his 13th consecutive week at number one on R&B producers.

Also Dave Bayley is the Glass Animals frontman — what else is he a writer on besides HeatWaves?

[fridayteenage]

Oct 20, 2021 12:19:23 GMT -5 lazer said:

Oct 20, 2021 11:46:37 GMT -5 atg said:

This is definitely the worst part of Doja’s career. It doesn’t help that all of these songs are some of her most stabilized hits so far, therefore bringing in more revenue for this “person”. The more that we get rid of him the better.

Tbh, it ain’t her fault. She was signed to his contract before the Kesha lawsuit. She’s trapped for sure.

Well I don't know if she has any control over her singles, but the other 79% of the album doesn't credit him as a writer or producer.

[kimberly]

Oct 20, 2021 12:23:01 GMT -5 mms82 said:

static.billboard.com/files/2020/11/10-16-21-SP-online_bulletin-1634170733.pdf

looked into it more, Dr. Luke is #3 on the overall songwriters chart and Dr. Luke is in his 13th consecutive week at number one on R&B producers.

Also Dave Bayley is the Glass Animals frontman — what else is he a writer on besides HeatWaves?

he's the sole songwriter of "Heat Waves," meaning he gets all of that song's songwriter chart points. considering that it's nearing Top 10, that must be enough to put him above most other songwriters on the list.

Oct 19, 2021 14:47:39 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Another accolade for Doja:

Doja Cat Hits No. 1 on Hot 100 Songwriters Chart for the First Time

Here's a look at all five of Doja Cat's writing credits on the current Hot 100.

Rank, Artist Billing, Title (co-writers in addition to Doja Cat)

No. 7, Doja Cat feat. SZA, "Kiss Me More" (SZA, Yeti Beats, Roget Chahayed, tizhimself, Carter Lang, Dr. Luke, Terry Shaddick, Steve Kipner)
No. 13, Doja Cat, "Need to Know" (Dr. Luke)
No. 18, Doja Cat & The Weeknd, "You Right" (The Weeknd, Dr. Luke)
No. 62, Doja Cat, "Woman" (Yeti Beats, Crate Classics, Aynzli Jones, Linden Jay, Jidenna)
No. 85, Doja Cat, "Get Into It (Yuh)" (Y2K, Sully)

Doja Cat is the fourth woman to top Hot 100 Songwriters this year, following Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swift. Five women led in all of 2020: Swift, Jessica Agombar, Megan Thee Stallion, Stevie Nicks and Tones and I.

seems like they forgot about "Ain't Shit" which re-entered the Hot 100 this week at No. 96 (13th week on the chart). she's got 6 songs consistently charting from her album, 3 of which are album cuts.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Regarding Dr. Luke, Sony lost its bid to keep things secret in his libel suit against Kesha. That should bring to light some of the financial and legal implications involved in such collaborations.

[85la]

This is hard because I am a fan of Kesha, but I do not support her claims against Luke. There was no evidence or corroborating claims, and he was found innocent in a court of law. He might not be an angel, but I don't believe he is a rapist. I really wish people would move on from this, because there is and never was anything substantial to go by.

[dovahduck]

^A sh*tshow is about to unfold I think.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

This really isn't the place to talk about it, especially if you have that opinion...

[nathanalbright]

I mean, no one is found innocent in courts of law, only not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (or "not proven" in a Scottish court if one is being eccentric). I'm definitely interested in seeing the sort of documents that give Dr. Luke legal and financial power for the artists he is involved with, and which might free them of some of the unpleasant odor of collaborating with him.

[iamsorare]

Oct 20, 2021 21:19:11 GMT -5 85la said:

This is hard because I am a fan of Kesha, but I do not support her claims against Luke. There was no evidence or corroborating claims, and he was found innocent in a court of law. He might not be an angel, but I don't believe he is a rapist. I really wish people would move on from this, because there is and never was anything substantial to go by.

are you serious? You support dr luke? Someone banned this member please...dr luke is a piece of s*** .. kesha did report the rape 16 years ago..and no we won't move on from this case...the case is not over yet and dr luke will pay one day..now enjoy the music from your favourite producer cause these are his last moments in the music industry.

[jayhawk1117]

Oct 20, 2021 21:19:11 GMT -5 85la said:

This is hard because I am a fan of Kesha, but I do not support her claims against Luke. There was no evidence or corroborating claims, and he was found innocent in a court of law. He might not be an angel, but I don't believe he is a rapist. I really wish people would move on from this, because there is and never was anything substantial to go by.

This is quite possibly farthest from the serve you think it is bb

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Can we pre-emptively lock this thread? I have no patience for Dr. Luke defenders

[Choco]

I dislike Dr. Luke and wish he would go away but I can't deny the appeal of "Say So", "Need to Know", "Kiss Me More" and "You Right". Am I glad I support those songs? No, but I do like having Doja around and hopefully once she fulfills her contract she'll run away.

[phieaglesfan712]

If you guys are really for Team Kesha and against Team Luke, then you should root for Fancy Like.

[algo]

Oct 21, 2021 10:28:46 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

If you guys are really for Team Kesha and against Team Luke, then you should root for Fancy Like.

this is just gross. lock the damn thread

[lazer]

Oct 21, 2021 10:28:46 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

If you guys are really for Team Kesha and against Team Luke, then you should root for Fancy Like.

Honestly your worst take.

[85la]

Oct 21, 2021 1:02:15 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Oct 20, 2021 21:19:11 GMT -5 85la said:

This is hard because I am a fan of Kesha, but I do not support her claims against Luke. There was no evidence or corroborating claims, and he was found innocent in a court of law. He might not be an angel, but I don't believe he is a rapist. I really wish people would move on from this, because there is and never was anything substantial to go by.

are you serious? You support dr luke? Someone banned this member please...dr luke is a piece of s*** .. kesha did report the rape 16 years ago..and no we won't move on from this case...the case is not over yet and dr luke will pay one day..now enjoy the music from your favourite producer cause these are his last moments in the music industry.

I do believe I was aware of this before, however it is not hard and clear and doesn't prove anything definitive, and Kesha also earlier swore under oath in court that she was indeed not raped by him (yes, there are pressures that can make people under certain circumstances lie and claims of abuse don't always come out right away and consistently over time, but still). I can assure all of you I have been following this case VERY closely from the beginning, and so far (besides the above possible evidence), I have not seen or heard of anything convincing. I'll also have all of you know that sexual abuse and exploitation has personally touched me, family members, and others close to me, so I do not take this matter lightly so don't you dare come after me saying that I am somehow being insensitive!! And to clarify, I am in no way a rape apologist or necessarily "pro" or a "strong" supporter of Dr. Luke, it is just that all of what has been presented to me in the media so far (which is what we are all going by, unless you somehow know Kesha or Luke or are in any of their circles close to them), I am not convinced that he is guilty of what Kesha is accusing him of. He might be a mean and abrasive person in other ways, but you know what? Many in the entertainment industry are (as in other industries as well). I would know, I work in the entertainment industry. If I had it my way, I would wish I wouldn't have to work with these people, but of course that would be impossible because they are so common.

Given all the preceding, I still absolutely and fully stand by my statement. Of course, further evidence could come out that could prove me wrong, but it doesn't seem likely after all this time. I am in full support of the #MeTooMovement, HOWEVER, false accusers do exist who can maliciously destroy one's reputation and career, and of course any accusation by one person does not automatically make it fact. Since I seem to be the subject of such horrid resentment and disagreement, and I am being painted as the villain here, let me ask everyone else, what evidence have you seen that has convinced you, are there any other corroborating claims? Tell me, what am I getting wrong??

[dremolus - solarpunk]

f**king lock this thread, disgusting. Imagine using a woman's trauma to just want a song to go up charts.

[Choco]

[Clode]

Oct 21, 2021 11:08:41 GMT -5 85la said:

Oct 21, 2021 1:02:15 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

are you serious? You support dr luke? Someone banned this member please...dr luke is a piece of s*** .. kesha did report the rape 16 years ago..and no we won't move on from this case...the case is not over yet and dr luke will pay one day..now enjoy the music from your favourite producer cause these are his last moments in the music industry.

I do believe I was aware of this before, however it is not hard and clear and doesn't prove anything definitive, and Kesha also earlier swore under oath in court that she was indeed not raped by him (yes, there are pressures that can make people under certain circumstances lie and claims of abuse don't always come out right away and consistently over time, but still). I can assure all of you I have been following this case VERY closely from the beginning, and so far (besides the above possible evidence), I have not seen or heard of anything convincing. I'll also have all of you know that sexual abuse and exploitation has personally touched me, family members, and others close to me, so I do not take this matter lightly so don't you dare come after me saying that I am somehow being insensitive!! And to clarify, I am in no way a rape apologist or necessarily "pro" or a "strong" supporter of Dr. Luke, it is just that all of what has been presented to me in the media so far (which is what we are all going by, unless you somehow know Kesha or Luke or are in any of their circles close to them), I am not convinced that he is guilty of what Kesha is accusing him of. He might be a mean and abrasive person in other ways, but you know what? Many in the entertainment industry are (as in other industries as well). I would know, I work in the entertainment industry. If I had it my way, I would wish I wouldn't have to work with these people, but of course that would be impossible because they are so common.

Given all the preceding, I still absolutely and fully stand by my statement. Of course, further evidence could come out that could prove me wrong, but it doesn't seem likely after all this time. I am in full support of the #MeTooMovement, HOWEVER, false accusers do exist who can maliciously destroy one's reputation and career, and of course any accusation by one person does not automatically make it fact. Since I seem to be the subject of such horrid resentment and disagreement, and I am being painted as the villain here, let me ask everyone else, what evidence have you seen that has convinced you, are there any other corroborating claims? Tell me, what am I getting wrong??

The fact that you still choose to stand by Dr. Luke despite the fact that Kesha herself has described being sexually and emotionally abused by him is the reason why you come across as being insensitive. I'm glad that you are a supporter of the #MeTooMovement but what pisses me off is that you think that Dr. Luke didn't rape Kesha. If you have been personally abused and you have family members that have been abused why wouldn't you choose to stand by Kesha, Like just because there is no clear evidence that she was sexually and emotionally abused by him doesn't mean that he didn't take advantage of her. You need to realize that you are being very insensitive by defending Dr. Luke.

This is the internet at the end of the day and I don't want you to think that I'm trying to make you feel like a piece of shit but you just need to learn to be more empathetic and not choose to side by an alleged abuser. 

[nathanalbright]

The way this thread has crashed and burned at the end :/.

[joshtheking]

yikes.

[phieaglesfan712]

Oct 21, 2021 11:55:54 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

The way this thread has crashed and burned at the end :/.

At least LNX was able to get us to talk. Just look at the last few weeks:

9/25/2021: 16 pages (#1: Stay)
10/2/2021: 16 pages (#1: Stay)
10/9/2021: 15 pages (#1: My Universe)
10/16/2021: 15 pages (#1: Stay)

Stay wasn’t moving the needle, and we even had a BTS #1 in between, and that didn’t even move the needle either.

[mylo]

Oh dear. Why are you the way you are?

[spiritboy]

You can't force or pressure a person to believe someone just because you believe in Kesha. People can like & defend Dr.Luke until it's been found guilty of rape accusation. Now that the case will be more transparent we'll see what really happened behind the scenes. If people continue to support Luke after he's been found guilty, than that would be a pity.

[Naos]

You can stay relatively neutral without defending the alleged abuser though. Evidence is difficult to come by in these types of cases, especially over a decade down the line when it's been buried and ignored by many. And being found not guilty does not mean someone did not commit the crime.