Billboard Hot 100: 10/23/2021

[lazer]

Oct 11, 2021 9:14:29 GMT -5 kingvavis said:

2019 and 2021 were both top 10 debut heavy years where the songs that were the biggest of the year were top 10 debuts. 2020 was a bit weird because you did have some big hit top 10 debuts, a lot of the biggest songs of the year debuted outside of the top 10 (The Box, Don't Start Now, Blinding Lights, Mood, Savage, Savage Love, Roses, Say So, Watermelon Sugar, I Hope, Go Crazy, etc.)

That trend started in 2018. I miss when songs organically rise to the top.

[algo]

we consume the big hits too much and too fast. songs will debut #1 or top ten and then plummet because people get sick of them quickly, its all due to streaming

[GP]

Oct 11, 2021 9:35:17 GMT -5 algo said:

we consume the big hits too much and too fast. songs will debut #1 or top ten and then plummet because people get sick of them quickly, its all due to streaming

songs that debut #1 and plummet are not big hits.  There are songs breaking weeks in the top10 records like Blinding Lights and Levitating, those are hige hits and show people don't get sick quickly of big hits. My Universe for example is NOT a big hit. INDUSTRY BABY and STAY are and their longevity shows.

[Gary]

Top 10 debuts by year


Before 1995 3
1995 11
1996 11
1997 16
1998 18
1999 1
2001 1
2003 3
2004 2
2005 3
2006 2
2007 8
2008 15
2009 11
2010 15
2011 17
2012 13
2013 11
2014 4
2015 9
2016 13
2017 15
2018 40
2019 22
2020 44
2021 43

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 10/10/21

1(=) Lil Nas X - INDUSTRY BABY 1,335,605 (-196,474)
2(=) The Kid LAROI - STAY 1,147,325 (-229,062)
3(=) Drake - Knife Talk 990,906 (-178,837)
4(=) Drake - Way 2 Sexy 961,447 (-175,858)
5(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 907,750 (-123,958)
6(=) Doja Cat - Need to Know 757,804 (-113,665)
7(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 735,700 (-101,307)
8(+1) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 650,732 (-91,615)
9(-1) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 650,565 (-92,102)
10(+1) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 619,517 (-79,818)

Others:
11(+3) THE ANXIETY, WILLOW, Tyler Cole - Meet Me At Our Spot 610,868 (-68,161)
12(+1) Baby Keem - family ties 604,847 (-82,382)
13(-1) Doja Cat - Woman 598,538 (-90,002)
14(-4) Drake - Fair Trade 594,628 (-109,189)
15(=) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 591,021 (-61,208)
16(+4) Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever 523,684 (-36,644)
17(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 521,488 (-104,576)
18(-2) Tainy - Lo Siento BB:/ 515,781 (-121,047)
19(-1) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 496,511 (-100,115)
20(+6) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 493,308 (-40,848)
21(-2) Farruko - Pepas 492,940 (-93,227)
22(-1) Drake - Girls Want Girls 466,917 (-86,762)
23(+6) Eslabon Armado, DannyLux - Jugaste y Sufrí 464,056 (-38,547)
24(+1) Måneskin - Beggin' 457,732 (-76,748)
25(-1) Dua Lipa - Levitating 455,509 (-82,809)
26(-3) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 454,266 (-89,719)
27(+8) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 451,716 (-16,097)
28(-1) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 449,769 (-62,754)
29(-1) Kanye West - Hurricane 435,706 (-66,962)
30(=) CKay - love nwantiti (ah ah ah) 434,504 (-67,525)
31(+2) Oliver Tree - Life Goes On 425,434 (-45,424)
34(+4) Nardo Wick - Who Want Smoke?? 411,187 (-6,726)
35(-4) Coldplay, BTS - My Universe 402,395 (-81,204)
36(-14) Don Toliver - Flocky Flocky 390,520 (-158,850)
37(-3) Elton John, Dua Lipa - Cold Heart (PNAU Remix) 381,018 (-86,854)
39(+2) $uicideboy$ - ...And to Those I Love, Thanks for Sticking Around 373,802 (-27,507)
41(+9) Surf Curse - Freaks 353,388 (-12,422)
42(-3) Justin Bieber - Peaches 348,364 (-61,542)
44(-2) Skylar Grey - Last One Standing 344,103 (-52,448)
45(+3) Kanye West - Moon 337,127 (-32,785)
49(-4) Gunna, Future - Too Easy 323,523 (-60,364)
50(-3) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 320,562 (-51,298)
51(-7) Meek Mill - Sharing Locations 317,419 (-76,919)
52(-3) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 312,578 (-55,197)
53(+1) Drake - Champagne Poetry 305,766 (-44,925)
54(-2) Chlöe - Have Mercy 302,434 (-53,806)
56(+13) Ivan Cornejo - Está Dañada 298,091 (-12,403)
57(+1) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 294,332 (-34,315)
58(+2) LISA - MONEY 294,273 (-28,904)
59(=) Kanye West - Praise God 293,653 (-31,075)
62(+4) Lil Tecca - LOT OF ME 288,923 (-25,916)
64(+12) Yot Club - YKWIM? 283,718 (-8,419)
65(-9) Joyner Lucas, J. Cole - Your Heart 278,485 (-58,608)
66(-3) Justin Bieber - Ghost 276,262 (-42,945)
70(-9) Drake - No Friends In The Industry 270,752 (-51,652)
71(-7) The Weeknd - Take My Breath 269,323 (-49,486)
74(+21) PinkPantheress - Pain 266,620 (-12,701)
76(+9) Playboi Carti - Sky 263,554 (-21,761)
87(-3) Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever Edit 253,974 (-31,978)
97(+103) Realestk - WFM 246,587 (+40,386)
98(+31) girl in red - we fell in love in october 245,489 (+3,398)

101(-28) 24kGoldn - Prada 241,663 (-59,898)
102(-24) Aventura, Bad Bunny - Volví 241,520 (-49,233)
103(+8) A-Wall - Loverboy 241,218 (-17,206)
105(+9) Billie Eilish - Bored 239,762 (-13,188)
106(+27) Beach House - Space Song 238,996 (-248)
112(-2) CKay - love nwantiti remix 231,822 (-28,190)
119(-6) Jordan Davis, Luke Bryan - Buy Dirt 226,949 (-29,298)
120(-13) bbno$ - edamame 226,586 (-35,026)
125(+61) Siouxxie - masquerade 212,447 (+11,850)
147(re-entry) Joy Again - Looking Out for You 204,417
158(-31) Cody Johnson - 'Til You Can't 196,772 (-45,943)
161(-2) Ryan Hurd - Chasing After You 196,041 (-29,227)
171(+13) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 191,592 (-21,865)
184(-17) Jason Aldean, Carrie Underwood - If I Didn't Love You 188,065 (-31,529)
187(-15) Russ - Seduce 187,722 (-29,531)
189(debut) TV Girl - Not Allowed 187,431
190(-36) Tiësto, KAROL G - Don't Be Shy 187,295 (-40,836)
193(-90) Justin Bieber - Red Eye 185,151 (-83,067)
197(-22) Lizzo - Rumors 184,345 (-31,971)
199(debut) The Walters - I Love You So 184,119

Total Streams for Happier Than Ever: 777,658
Total Streams for love nwantiti: 666,326
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 504,170

[rainygirl]

Oct 11, 2021 9:56:11 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Oct 10, 2021 16:24:48 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

you think LNX is a bigger trick up her bag than Drake and Wayne combined ? Interesting

I’d think so. Not because LNX is bigger than Wayne and Drake at all, but because a Nicki collab with them is just another collab with them. There are many already so it wouldn’t be as exciting.

you have to question then why she would waste her time on a collab that is considered unexciting or redundant , seems odd… And I’m not at all trying to imply she is over or finished .. she will live to chart many more songs including number 1s, same as DaBaby, Chris Brown and all these other problematic artists . Heck , we might even see an R Kelly album go number 1 from prison, it’s just the world we live in .. and for all the flack BTS gets for their tactics , I haven’t seen much consternation about Nicki’s 4 or 5 versions with some of her singles .. we can’t be selective about that . I wouldn’t be surprised if 3 remixes of Boyz drop today or tomorrow . It seems Army gets villainized while the Barbz are painted as merely a devoted fan base .. and for the record I’m not a BTS fan , not even remotely

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/10/11

1(=) The Kid LAROI & Justin Bieber - STAY 106.93(-0.06)
2(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 97.78(+0.03)
3(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 81.15(-0.19) +
4(=) Lil Nas X & Jack Harlow - INDUSTRY BABY 75.22(+0.94)
5(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 72.87(+0.02)
6(=) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 65.50(+0.22)
7(+2) Wizkid - Essence (feat. Tems) 64.52(+0.68)
8(-1) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 64.11(-0.03)
9(-1) Måneskin - Beggin 64.01(+0.13)
10(=) Doja Cat & The Weeknd - You Right 56.33(+0.05)

12(=) Drake - Way 2 Sexy (feat. Future & Young Thug) 52.80(+1.03)

16(=) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 44.45(+0.88) +

21(+1) Elvie Shane - My Boy 39.77(+1.14)

25(+2) Yung Bleu - Baddest f/Chris Brown... 33.92(+0.76) +

65(+2) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 20.18(+1.19)

82(+8) Jonas Brothers - Who's In Your Head 16.07(+0.79)

-(-) Coldplay X BTS - My Universe 11.28(+1.06) +

-(-) 42 Dugg - Maybach f/Future 8.69(+0.97) +

-(-) Wale - Poke It Out (feat. J. Cole) 5.48(+0.71)

-(-) Myke Towers - Experimento 0.93(+0.79) +

[Au$tin]

Oct 11, 2021 10:08:20 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Oct 11, 2021 9:56:11 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I’d think so. Not because LNX is bigger than Wayne and Drake at all, but because a Nicki collab with them is just another collab with them. There are many already so it wouldn’t be as exciting.

you have to question then why she would waste her time on a collab that is considered unexciting or redundant , seems odd…

Because she enjoys working with them and likes the music they create together. Musicians are artists. They create. That's their top priority. They aren't strictly in it for the money and business, and being a musician isn't only about earnings and success. Can you imagine how horrible music would be if that were the case? Every single song being 100% calculated? Gross.

Seeing Green is the top selling and streaming track from her last record too, so it's not like it was an outright flop that nobody was here for, it still brought in numbers. Let's not forget it wasn't even meant to be a single. The last project was not meant for immense success, it was a mixtape with mostly old material. But that track gained traction anyway. So even if excitement over those 3 collaborating isn't high, there's still enough there to be a draw, especially when said track is well received by critics and fans.

But even ignoring all that, the fact still stands that a musician can collaborate with whoever they want and business decisions aren't necessary for that. This would hardly be the first time a group of artists often collaborate together. For example, Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett just released yet another collab album, and that certainly isn't a project to put butts in stadiums and earn billions of streams. Missy Elliott and Timbaland often worked with each other and the same group of artists incredibly often in the 2000s, and obviously not all of those were hits. Sometimes you just want to work with people you like because you enjoy it, not because you think it's a surefire hit.

Besides, collabs that exist purely for the wow factor generally aren't that good and aren't big hits.

[rainygirl]

Oct 11, 2021 10:59:31 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Oct 11, 2021 10:08:20 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

you have to question then why she would waste her time on a collab that is considered unexciting or redundant , seems odd…

Because she enjoys working with them and likes the music they create together. Musicians are artists. They create. That's their top priority. They aren't strictly in it for the money and business, and being a musician isn't only about earnings and success. Can you imagine how horrible music would be if that were the case? Every single song being 100% calculated? Gross.

Seeing Green is the top selling and streaming track from her last record too, so it's not like it was an outright flop that nobody was here for, it still brought in numbers. Let's not forget it wasn't even meant to be a single. The last project was not meant for immense success, it was a mixtape with mostly old material. But that track gained traction anyway. So even if excitement over those 3 collaborating isn't high, there's still enough there to be a draw, especially when said track is well received by critics and fans.

But even ignoring all that, the fact still stands that a musician can collaborate with whoever they want and business decisions aren't necessary for that. This would hardly be the first time a group of artists often collaborate together. For example, Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett just released yet another collab album, and that certainly isn't a project to put butts in stadiums and earn billions of streams. Missy Elliott and Timbaland often worked with each other and the same group of artists incredibly often in the 2000s, and obviously not all of those were hits. Sometimes you just want to work with people you like because you enjoy it, not because you think it's a surefire hit.

Besides, collabs that exist purely for the wow factor generally aren't that good and aren't big hits.

I am not the one who questioned why she collaborated with Drake nor was I the one who said LNX would be a more exciting flashy collaboration , and I think you know that lol…I responded to what others put out there ….let’s just agree to disagree and move on with our day .

[rainygirl]

Oct 11, 2021 9:55:38 GMT -5 Gary said:

Top 10 debuts by year


Before 1995 3
1995 11
1996 11
1997 16
1998 18
1999 1
2001 1
2003 3
2004 2
2005 3
2006 2
2007 8
2008 15
2009 11
2010 15
2011 17
2012 13
2013 11
2014 4
2015 9
2016 13
2017 15
2018 40
2019 22
2020 44
2021 43

thank you !!! This is incredible

[phieaglesfan712]

Oct 11, 2021 9:53:32 GMT -5 GP said:

Oct 11, 2021 9:35:17 GMT -5 algo said:

we consume the big hits too much and too fast. songs will debut #1 or top ten and then plummet because people get sick of them quickly, its all due to streaming

songs that debut #1 and plummet are not big hits.  There are songs breaking weeks in the top10 records like Blinding Lights and Levitating, those are hige hits and show people don't get sick quickly of big hits. My Universe for example is NOT a big hit. INDUSTRY BABY and STAY are and their longevity shows.

I never got sick of BL because Abel's team used very few gimmicks and allowed its fall to occur naturally. I'm also okay with Industry Baby, but radio way overplayed Stay and I'm absolutely sick of that song now.

[rainygirl]

Oct 11, 2021 11:39:45 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Oct 11, 2021 9:53:32 GMT -5 GP said:

songs that debut #1 and plummet are not big hits.  There are songs breaking weeks in the top10 records like Blinding Lights and Levitating, those are hige hits and show people don't get sick quickly of big hits. My Universe for example is NOT a big hit. INDUSTRY BABY and STAY are and their longevity shows.

I never got sick of BL because Abel's team used very few gimmicks and allowed its fall to occur naturally. I'm also okay with Industry Baby, but radio way overplayed Stay and I'm absolutely sick of that song now.

I would like to see an IB dance mix .. great club song

[mylo]

No no no this man did not just say that radio overplay didn't occur with BL and that Stay is more overplayed. I love BL but you just can't say that.

[joshtheking]

Random but I really felt like Rumors should've been a big hit... What happened? It was perfectly serviceable for radio too. Just wasn't meant to be I guess

[phieaglesfan712]

Oct 11, 2021 11:50:59 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

Random but I really felt like Rumors should've been a big hit... What happened? It was perfectly serviceable for radio too. Just wasn't meant to be I guess

Blame radio for never letting go of Stay and BH, as well as holding on to G4u way longer than it should have. Notice how these 3 songs have been the Top 3 on radio for weeks on end now.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

*any songs flops*
"IT'S BECAUSE OF STAY, BAD HABITS AND GOOD 4 U!!!11!!!11!"

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Oct 11, 2021 12:10:28 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Oct 11, 2021 11:50:59 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

Random but I really felt like Rumors should've been a big hit... What happened? It was perfectly serviceable for radio too. Just wasn't meant to be I guess

Blame radio for never letting go of Stay and BH, as well as holding on to G4u way longer than it should have. Keep in mind, these 3 songs have been the Top 3 on radio for weeks on end now.

weeks in the top 10 of radio

good 4 u 15
Bad Habits 13
Stay 8
|36 weeks overall|

Blinding Lights 62

nice try

[thegreatdivine]

Is there ANY song in Billboard history that's benefitted from radio like Blinding Lights did? I doubt it.

[phieaglesfan712]

Oct 11, 2021 12:36:12 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Is there ANY song in Billboard history that's benefitted from radio like Blinding Lights did? I doubt it.

Girls Like You (this would have never been a 7-week #1 without radio, and maybe Lucid Dreams would have snuck in a week at #1), and maybe High Hopes… Those songs spent nearly 3 years on kWorb radio Top 100.

[Gary]

'Try Again' by Aaliyah back in 2000 was the first song in history to go to #1 on just airplay alone

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 11, 2021 12:40:17 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Oct 11, 2021 12:36:12 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Is there ANY song in Billboard history that's benefitted from radio like Blinding Lights did? I doubt it.

Girls Like You (this would have never been a 7-week #1 without radio, and maybe Lucid Dreams would have snuck in a week at #1), and maybe High Hopes… Those songs spent nearly 3 years on kWorb radio Top 100.

Yes, but at the peak of their respective runs, they didn't benefit as much as Blinding Lights did. If I'm not mistaken, Blinding Lights is the song with the most weeks at #1 and the most weeks in the top 10 on radio in Billboard history. It's quite possible that it's also the song with the most weeks in the top 20/30/40/50 on radio in Billboard history as well. Radio doesn't do much for a song if it's out of the top 50 on radio and out of every song in Billboard history, Blinding Lights spent the most time in the top 50.

[mylo]

Basically BL is a radio merchant and a streaming giant

[kindofbiased]

Is it physically possible for a song that spent 90 weeks on the hot 100 to not suffer from overplay

[joshtheking]

Oct 11, 2021 13:13:47 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Is it physically possible for a song that spent 90 weeks on the hot 100 to not suffer from overplay

For Phigeales, yes it is

[fridayteenage]

bts's digital songs streak will finally end soon. 20 weeks in a row.

[kindofbiased]

I just don't get how someone can already be saying Stay is overstaying (lol) its welcome, it's barely 3 months old and it's massive in every metric it only makes sense that the radio is playing it all the time

[phieaglesfan712]

Oct 11, 2021 14:22:00 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

I just don't get how someone can already be saying Stay is overstaying (lol) its welcome, it's barely 3 months old and it's massive in every metric it only makes sense that the radio is playing it all the time

I rooted for the song (when it was the underdog) in the beginning, and was happy when it finally toppled Butter for the Hot 100 #1. However, it feels like a Goliath now, and I hate that Stay blocking IB from #1, especially after it allowed Butter to spend one more week at #1 (when Stay was near its peak in streaming).

[rainygirl]

Oct 11, 2021 15:11:03 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Oct 11, 2021 14:22:00 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

I just don't get how someone can already be saying Stay is overstaying (lol) its welcome, it's barely 3 months old and it's massive in every metric it only makes sense that the radio is playing it all the time

I rooted for the song (when it was the underdog) in the beginning, and was happy when it finally toppled Butter for the Hot 100 #1. However, it feels like a Goliath now, and I hate that Stay blocking IB from #1, especially after it allowed Butter to spend one more week at #1 (when Stay was near its peak in streaming).

I personally think it’s an overrated song so I’m ok if it dwindles

[sheardbeard]

Not necessarily this particular week, but does anyone foresee “Cold Heart” eventually hitting the top 10?

[phieaglesfan712]

Oct 11, 2021 15:35:31 GMT -5 sheardbeard said:

Not necessarily this particular week, but does anyone foresee “Cold Heart” eventually hitting the top 10?

Yes, it could go Top 10 as early as the album release week, and I could see it going to the Top 5 in the long run.