Billboard Hot 100: 12/11/2021

[phieaglesfan712]

[jenglisbe]

"AIWFIY" ended the chart week just ahead of "RATCT" on Spotify, and it led it all week on Amazon, Apple, and YouTube. So, where are these sites getting "RATCT" pulling ahead? I can see it leading on Pandora, but is that even a big source of streams?

[Mayman]

Dec 4, 2021 21:18:19 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Not you posting Twitter stans reactions. Literally get over yourself.

[jayhawk1117]

Dec 4, 2021 21:18:19 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

what's.... What's your point?

[Limited Edition]

Not phieagles posting stan twitter posts lmao.

Hahaa Levitating is not a legit hit look at these tweets for PROOF!!!1111!

[Future Captain]

Whew, looking for validation from stan twitter comments... Need some drill to go even further down from the rock bottom u just hit buddy?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Posting Twitter stan reactions is truly the mark of credibility and not at all a desperate and pathetic attempt by a grown man for validation 

[JukeboxJacob]

Y'all are giving him exactly what he wants

[Angel]

Dec 4, 2021 21:18:19 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

You just seem like an obsessive hater and minus Christmas songs it's only down to #11. 

[Gary]

How do we know those twitter posts are not all him on just duplicate accounts?

[Choco]

At this point you have either blocked phieaglestroll or you're part of the problem (by feeding him with attention for his terrible predictions and the power to have the worst takes ever on every single topic).

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 5, 2021 0:22:51 GMT -5 Choco said:

At this point you have either blocked phieaglestroll or you're part of the problem (by feeding him with attention for his terrible predictions and the power to have the worst takes ever on every single topic).

I wish the app supported the block feature 😢

[musicbuff26]

Talk of the charts predictions minus holiday songs (aka the only chart I care about for the next few weeks):

1. Easy On Me
2. Stay
3. Industry Baby
4. Heat Waves
5. Need To Know
6. Shivers
7. Bad Habits
8. Smokin’ out the Window
9. Cold Heart
10. abcdefu

I’m really torn on this whole holiday songs charting thing. At first, I liked it as it’s reflective of what’s popular now. But with it just being the same 10 or so songs every year and becoming extremely predictable, I wish they would find another way to represent them. Like have a normal hot 100 chart and then a hot 100 + holiday songs chart (not a separate holiday chart for just holiday songs). I feel like that would be a good compromise.

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

December 4, 1961 (For the week ending December 9)

Guess who's back...

01 01 Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean (5th and final week at #1)
02 03 Please Mr. Postman - The Marvelettes
03 04 Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren
04 02 Runaround Sue - Dion
05 05 Fool #1 - Brenda Lee
06 16 The Twist - Chubby Checker
07 12 Walk On By - Leroy Van Dyke
08 08 Tower Of Strength - Gene McDaniels
09 14 I Understand (Just How You Feel) - The G-Clefs
10 09 Crazy - Patsy Cline


December 10, 1966

01 02 Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys (1st and only week at #1)
02 05 Mellow Yellow - Donovan
03 01 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band
04 04 Devil With a Blue Dress On / Good Golly Miss Molly (Medley) - Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels
05 03 You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes
06 07 Lady Godiva - Peter & Gordon
07 13 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies
08 08 Born Free - Roger Williams
09 12 I'm Ready For Love - Martha & The Vandellas
10 15 That's Life - Frank Sinatra

16 44 Sugar Town - Nancy Sinatra


December 11, 1971

01 01 Family Affair - Sly & The Family Stone (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 02 Theme From Shaft - Isaac Hayes
03 04 Have You Seen Her - The Chi-Lites
04 06 Got To Be There - Michael Jackson
05 07 An Old Fashioned Love Song - Three Dog Night
06 03 Baby I'm-a Want You - Bread
07 05 Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves - Cher
08 11 All I Ever Need Is You - Sonny & Cher
09 15 Brand New Key - Melanie
10 08 Desiderata - Les Crane


December 11, 1976

01 01 Tonight's The Night (Gonna Be Alright) - Rod Stewart (5th of 8 weeks at #1)
02 02 The Rubberband Man - The Spinners
03 03 Love So Right - The Bee Gees
04 04 Muskrat Love - The Captain & Tennille
05 06 You Don't Have To Be a Star (To Be In My Show) - Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis Jr.
06 12 You Make Me Feel Like Dancing - Leo Sayer
07 08 More Than a Feeling - Boston
08 09 Nadia's Theme (The Young And The Restless) - Barry DeVorzon & Perry Botkin Jr.
09 10 You Are The Woman - Firefall
10 11 Nights Are Forever Without You - England Dan & John Ford Coley

22 42 Car Wash - Rose Royce


December 12, 1981

01 01 Physical - Olivia Newton-John (4th of 10 weeks at #1)
02 02 Waiting For a Girl Like You - Foreigner
03 03 Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic - The Police
04 04 Oh, No - The Commodores
05 07 Let's Groove - Earth, Wind & Fire
06 08 Young Turks - Rod Stewart
07 05 Here I Am (Just When I Thought I Was Over You) - Air Supply
08 09 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - Diana Ross
09 14 Harden My Heart - Quarterflash
10 11 Don't Stop Believin' - Journey

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 5, 2021 11:30:39 GMT -5 musicbuff26 said:

Talk of the charts predictions minus holiday songs (aka the only chart I care about for the next few weeks):

1. Easy On Me
2. Stay
3. Industry Baby
4. Heat Waves
5. Need To Know
6. Shivers
7. Bad Habits
8. Smokin’ out the Window
9. Cold Heart
10. abcdefu

I’m really torn on this whole holiday songs charting thing. At first, I liked it as it’s reflective of what’s popular now. But with it just being the same 10 or so songs every year and becoming extremely predictable, I wish they would find another way to represent them. Like have a normal hot 100 chart and then a hot 100 + holiday songs chart (not a separate holiday chart for just holiday songs). I feel like that would be a good compromise.

But why tho? Why is the predictability thing bad? I get that it’s boring as a chart watcher but why is there such a desire to have an inaccurate chart that isn’t reflective of what people are listening to?

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

December 13, 1986

01 04 The Way It Is - Bruce Hornsby & The Range (1st and only week at #1)
02 05 Walk Like An Egyptian - The Bangles
03 03 Hip To Be Square - Huey Lewis & The News
04 01 The Next Time I Fall - Peter Cetera & Amy Grant
05 07 Everybody Have Fun Tonight - Wang Chung
06 02 You Give Love a Bad Name - Bon Jovi
07 10 To Be a Lover - Billy Idol
08 11 Notorious - Duran Duran
09 15 Shake You Down - Gregory Abbott
10 13 Stand By Me - Ben E. King


December 14, 1991

01 01 Black Or White - Michael Jackson (2nd of 7 weeks at #1)
02 04 It's So Hard To Say Goodbye To Yesterday - Boyz II Men
03 03 Set Adrift On Memory Bliss - P.M. Dawn
04 02 When a Man Loves a Woman - Michael Bolton
05 05 All 4 Love - Color Me Badd
06 06 Blowing Kisses In The Wind - Paula Abdul
07 08 Can't Let Go - Mariah Carey
08 11 Finally - CeCe Peniston
09 09 That's What Love Is For - Amy Grant
10 15 Wildside - Marky Mark


December 14, 1996

01 01 Un-Break My Heart - Toni Braxton (2nd of 11 weeks at #1)
02 02 No Diggity - Blackstreet feat. Dr. Dre
03 03 Nobody - Keith Sweat feat. Athena Cage
04 04 Don't Let Go (Love) - En Vogue
05 06 Mouth - Merril Bainbridge
06 05 It's All Coming Back To Me Now - Celine Dion
07 07 Pony - Ginuwine
08 08 I Finally Found Someone - Barbra Streisand & Bryan Adams
09 09 I'm Still In Love With You - New Edition
10 10 Where Do You Go - No Mercy


December 8, 2001

01 01 Family Affair - Mary J. Blige (6th and final week at #1)
02 02 U Got It Bad - Usher
03 04 How You Remind Me - Nickelback
04 03 Hero - Enrique Iglesias
05 05 Turn Off The Light - Nelly Furtado
06 08 Livin' It Up - Ja Rule feat. Case
07 06 I'm Real - Jennifer Lopez feat. Ja Rule
08 07 Differences - Ginuwine
09 13 Get The Party Started - P!nk
10 09 Fallin' - Alicia Keys

[musicbuff26]

Dec 5, 2021 12:04:15 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Dec 5, 2021 11:30:39 GMT -5 musicbuff26 said:

Talk of the charts predictions minus holiday songs (aka the only chart I care about for the next few weeks):

1. Easy On Me
2. Stay
3. Industry Baby
4. Heat Waves
5. Need To Know
6. Shivers
7. Bad Habits
8. Smokin’ out the Window
9. Cold Heart
10. abcdefu

I’m really torn on this whole holiday songs charting thing. At first, I liked it as it’s reflective of what’s popular now. But with it just being the same 10 or so songs every year and becoming extremely predictable, I wish they would find another way to represent them. Like have a normal hot 100 chart and then a hot 100 + holiday songs chart (not a separate holiday chart for just holiday songs). I feel like that would be a good compromise.

But why tho? Why is the predictability thing bad? I get that it’s boring as a chart watcher but why is there such a desire to have an inaccurate chart that isn’t reflective of what people are listening to?

Well, like I said, I’m torn. Yes I want it to be accurate of what people are listening to, but I also don’t feel like there should be default songs that take up the top 10 for 3 weeks of the year just because of the season. I think I’d feel differently if new Christmas/holiday songs were released every year and would compete for those top 10 spots, but so far it’s just the same 25+ year old songs.

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

December 9, 2006

01 01 I Wanna Love You - Akon feat. Snoop Dogg (2nd and final week at #1)
02 03 Irreplaceable - Beyonce
03 02 Smack That - Akon feat. Eminem
04 04 My Love - Justin Timberlake feat. T.I.
05 08 How To Save a Life - The Fray
06 06 Lips Of An Angel - Hinder
07 25 Wind It Up - Gwen Stefani
08 07 Money Maker - Ludacris feat. Pharrell
09 09 Chasing Cars - Snow Patrol
10 05 Fergalicious - Fergie feat. will.i.am

20 85 That's That S**t - Snoop Dogg feat. R. Kelly
25 66 Say It Right - Nelly Furtado


December 10, 2011

01 01 We Found Love - Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris (5th of 10 weeks at #1)
02 02 Sexy And I Know It - LMFAO
03 05 It Will Rain - Bruno Mars
04 06 Moves Like Jagger - Maroon 5 feat. Christina Aguilera
05 03 Someone Like You - Adele
06 04 Without You - David Guetta feat. Usher
07 08 Stereo Hearts - Gym Class Heroes feat. Adam Levine
08 07 Good Feeling - Flo Rida
09 10 The One That Got Away - Katy Perry
10 16 Party Rock Anthem - LMFAO feat. Lauren Bennett & Goonrock


December 10, 2016

01 01 Black Beatles - Rae Sremmurd feat. Gucci Mane (3rd of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Closer - The Chainsmokers feat. Halsey
03 03 Starboy - The Weeknd feat. Daft Punk
04 06 24k Magic - Bruno Mars
05 08 Juju On That Beat (TZ Anthem) - Zay Hilfigerrr & Zaylon McCall
06 04 Side To Side - Ariana Grande feat. Nicki Minaj
07 05 Heathens - Twenty One Pilots
08 07 Let Me Love You - DJ Snake feat. Justin Bieber
09 09 Broccoli - D.R.A.M. feat. Lil Yachty
10 10 Don't Wanna Know - Maroon 5 feat. Kendrick Lamar


December 12, 2020

01 02 Mood - 24kGoldn feat. Iann Dior (6th of 8 weeks at #1)
02 14 All I Want For Christmas Is You - Mariah Carey
03 04 positions - Ariana Grande
04 21 Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree - Brenda Lee
05 15 Dakiti - Bad Bunny & Jhay Cortez
06 07 Laugh Now Cry Later - Drake feat. Lil Durk
07 06 Holy - Justin Bieber feat. Chance The Rapper
08 05 I Hope - Gabby Barrett
09 13 Jingle Bell Rock - Bobby Helms
10 03 Dynamite - BTS

12 37 It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year - Andy Williams
16 45 Feliz Navidad - Jose Feliciano
18 48 The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas To You) - Nat King Cole
21 42 Last Christmas - Wham!
22 49 Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! - Dean Martin
23 RE Sleigh Ride - The Ronettes
24 RE A Holly Jolly Christmas - Burl Ives

[HolidayGuy]

RE holiday entries- it was/is nice to see the classics chart and reach high positions, etc. but at this point, there's not much variety in how they chart annually, especially the ones that almost be default rank the highest. As someone mentioned prior, the Hot 100 has not always been the "most accurate" chart it could be because of varying rules through the years- and that at one time included the exclusion of holiday songs (with rare exceptions).

Not to mention that a lot of the streams likely come from users selecting playlists and not the songs themselves- one could argue that's similar to radio airplay and leaving a station on (though radio-audience measurement isn't as precise as having exact streaming numbers). Nonetheless, it gets to be a bit much. We'll see how many old holiday songs populate the top 50 on the Jan. 1 chart.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 5, 2021 12:32:49 GMT -5 musicbuff26 said:

Dec 5, 2021 12:04:15 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

But why tho? Why is the predictability thing bad? I get that it’s boring as a chart watcher but why is there such a desire to have an inaccurate chart that isn’t reflective of what people are listening to?

Well, like I said, I’m torn. Yes I want it to be accurate of what people are listening to, but I also don’t feel like there should be default songs that take up the top 10 for 3 weeks of the year just because of the season. I think I’d feel differently if new Christmas/holiday songs were released every year and would compete for those top 10 spots, but so far it’s just the same 25+ year old songs.

Doesn’t really explain it though. You seem uncomfortable with the repetition but the chart is merely a reflection of what people like. During Christmas, people feel nostalgic and want the repetition. You’re looking at it from a mechanical perspective, which I think is common for chart followers but if you’re able to take a step back and account for what the chart is measuring, you realize it doesn’t really make sense.

[musicbuff26]

I think it explains it just fine, we just have different perspectives on it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[spiritboy]

People who respond to his every post are the reason why this thread goes off topic. Just ignore his comments if you don't like them.

[sheardbeard]

New Christmas/holiday songs ARE released every year… tons of them! However, that doesn’t negate the fact that the older holiday classics are typically always going to be more popular than newer ones. People like familiarity and tradition around the holidays, and the old songs are familiar and traditional. Sorry it’s boring as a chart watcher, but like I said before, the chart exists to tell you what’s popular… it’s doing its job!

[Choco]

I believe the chart rules are fine, even the recurrency ones. AIWFCIY is hitting 52 weeks this year probably, so it's gonna have a harder time re-entering next year, which is fine. Maybe we'll get the rare week where Brenda Lee charts at like #30 and Mariah isn't there.

I think they should lower sales' impact on the formula though. "Butter", the longest running #1 of the year missed top 10 on the year end chart... That will look weird at first glance until people do some research and find out why it even spent more than 1 week at the top.

[gikem]

Dec 5, 2021 17:24:38 GMT -5 Choco said:

I believe the chart rules are fine, even the recurrency ones. AIWFCIY is hitting 52 weeks this year probably, so it's gonna have a harder time re-entering next year, which is fine. Maybe we'll get the rare week where Brenda Lee charts at like #30 and Mariah isn't there.

I think they should lower sales' impact on the formula though. "Butter", the longest running #1 of the year missed top 10 on the year end chart... That will look weird at first glance until people do some research and find out why it even spent more than 1 week at the top.

Assuming it charts through the week of January 8, 2022, AIWFCIY is going to reach only 51 weeks this season. If it has the exact same chart run next year, it’ll be back in the top 25 by its 53rd week. So realistically, assuming no further changes in formula or what songs are allowed to chart, the first year where it would need to hit the top 25 in order to re-enter would be in 2023.

[phieaglesfan712]

I'm not even worried any more about Butter being the longest running #1 on the Hot 100 this year. If anyone looks deeper into the metrics, they will see that Stay is clearly the biggest song of 2021. It was the fastest song to 1 billion streams on Spotify, had the highest radio peak of any 2021 song, and the longest running #1 on the pop charts of the 21st century.

[Gary]

they will see that Stay is clearly the biggest song of 2021

Stay is the biggest song of 2021.

It's becoming a lot harder to make an argument against Stay being the biggest hit of 2021:

Another confusing moment about phieagles latest obsession ---


Continuously Promoting 'Stay' being the biggest hit of 2021


The chart based on the title of the thread he is posting in, doesn't even have it in the top 10

YE Hot 100 top 12


1 Levitating
2 Save Your Tears
3 Blinding Lights
4 Mood
5 Good 4 U
6 Kiss Me More
7 Leave The Door Open
8 Drivers License
9 Montero (Call Me By Your Name)
10 Peaches
11 Butter
12 Stay

[macabyan]

Dec 5, 2021 17:24:38 GMT -5 Choco said:

I believe the chart rules are fine, even the recurrency ones. AIWFCIY is hitting 52 weeks this year probably, so it's gonna have a harder time re-entering next year, which is fine. Maybe we'll get the rare week where Brenda Lee charts at like #30 and Mariah isn't there.

I think they should lower sales' impact on the formula though. "Butter", the longest running #1 of the year missed top 10 on the year end chart... That will look weird at first glance until people do some research and find out why it even spent more than 1 week at the top.

Agreed on this! Butter at #11 was really surprising.

[Deleted]

I can see a case for Stay being one of, if not the biggest hit of 2021 worldwide. It even smashed in Japan which is rare nowadays for western music and it seems to be unstoppable on streaming. Perhaps not on the YEC but definitely in "real life"