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Post by renfield75 on Dec 6, 2021 16:12:47 GMT -5
why do we have to determine now which song was the biggest hit this year? Stay isn't a HUGE smash like Shape Of You, Despacito, Old Town Road or Blinding Lights, it will definitely be remembered as one of the biggest songs of 2021, but I don't think it'll be THE song of 2021 nor do I think there will be any. For some people it will be drivers license, Levitating, Save Your Tears, Montero, good 4 u, Kiss Me More or Bad Habits. Time will tell for sure. Remember when Billboard recalculated their past year end charts a few years ago? They accounted for lifetime sales, airplay, and streams and not a single one of the original number one songs of the year kept their title. "Don't Stop Believin'" only reached number 9 at the end of 1981 and finished as the number 73 song of 1982. When they recalculated the charts it was the number one song of 1981. Given enough time these year-end lists, and public perception of "the biggest hit of the year", will change dramatically.
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Post by gikem on Dec 6, 2021 16:29:24 GMT -5
Debuts this week: #58 By Your Side - Rod Wave #77 Pick Out A Christmas Tree - Dan & Shay #82 Christmas Tree Farm (Old Timey Version) - Taylor Swift #95 Always Been You - Jessie Murph
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Post by joshtheking on Dec 6, 2021 16:47:07 GMT -5
why do we have to determine now which song was the biggest hit this year? Stay isn't a HUGE smash like Shape Of You, Despacito, Old Town Road or Blinding Lights, it will definitely be remembered as one of the biggest songs of 2021, but I don't think it'll be THE song of 2021 nor do I think there will be any. For some people it will be drivers license, Levitating, Save Your Tears, Montero, good 4 u, Kiss Me More or Bad Habits. Time will tell for sure. Remember when Billboard recalculated their past year end charts a few years ago? They accounted for lifetime sales, airplay, and streams and not a single one of the original number one songs of the year kept their title. "Don't Stop Believin'" only reached number 9 at the end of 1981 and finished as the number 73 song of 1982. When they recalculated the charts it was the number one song of 1981. Given enough time these year-end lists, and public perception of "the biggest hit of the year", will change dramatically. Where can I access the recalculated year end lists?
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Post by goldentakes on Dec 6, 2021 17:05:56 GMT -5
And it didn’t have the advantage of the weak summer competition. It had to face Taylor, Adele, and the Christmas domination. I don't understand what you're getting at, even if Stay ends up becoming the most-streamed song released in 2021, who cares? Like we'll get there when we get there. Nobody is denying that the song is a huge hit. There's no reason to spam the Hot 100 thread every week trying to prove how big Stay is, "ITS THE BIGGEST HIT OF 2021," like okay. Cool. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The Dude is so clearly a troll lol, I wouldn't worry about it. Just a few weeks ago he said he was sick of Stay and wanted Fancy Like at Number 1 because we needed to make way for more "organic" hits 😅
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 6, 2021 17:08:11 GMT -5
why do we have to determine now which song was the biggest hit this year? Stay isn't a HUGE smash like Shape Of You, Despacito, Old Town Road or Blinding Lights, it will definitely be remembered as one of the biggest songs of 2021, but I don't think it'll be THE song of 2021 nor do I think there will be any. For some people it will be drivers license, Levitating, Save Your Tears, Montero, good 4 u, Kiss Me More or Bad Habits. Time will tell for sure. Remember when Billboard recalculated their past year end charts a few years ago? They accounted for lifetime sales, airplay, and streams and not a single one of the original number one songs of the year kept their title. "Don't Stop Believin'" only reached number 9 at the end of 1981 and finished as the number 73 song of 1982. When they recalculated the charts it was the number one song of 1981. Given enough time these year-end lists, and public perception of "the biggest hit of the year", will change dramatically. Did Billboard also retroactively add songs that couldn't chart because they weren't released as a single? Certainly, songs like Stairway to Heaven, Into the Groove, Don't Speak, etc have picked up enough sales/streaming points during the past 15+ years that when combined with radio data (particularly post-1991) would be enough to at least end up on the list. I like the concept, but those cumulative year-end charts should be tagged/packaged differently because the whole premise is to reflect the biggest hit based on airplay/sales during that chart/calendar year.
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Post by renfield75 on Dec 6, 2021 17:15:49 GMT -5
Remember when Billboard recalculated their past year end charts a few years ago? They accounted for lifetime sales, airplay, and streams and not a single one of the original number one songs of the year kept their title. "Don't Stop Believin'" only reached number 9 at the end of 1981 and finished as the number 73 song of 1982. When they recalculated the charts it was the number one song of 1981. Given enough time these year-end lists, and public perception of "the biggest hit of the year", will change dramatically. Did Billboard also retroactively add songs that couldn't chart because they weren't released as a single? Certainly, songs like Stairway to Heaven, Into the Groove, Don't Speak, etc have picked up enough sales/streaming points during the past 15+ years that when combined with radio data (particularly post-1991) would be enough to at least end up on the list. I like the concept, but those cumulative year-end charts should be tagged/packaged differently because the whole premise is to reflect the biggest hit based on airplay/sales during that chart/calendar year. They did...I remember specifically Sublime had the number one song of both 1996 and 1997 (with "What I Got" and "Santeria", respectively). There were other album cuts that topped the year end lists, mostly classic rock from the 70s. They didn't say these lists replaced the originals, it was just an interesting way of gauging long-term popularity and endurance. I wish I could find the updated lists but Googling it is trickier than I thought. The article would probably be paywalled now anyway.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Dec 6, 2021 20:12:30 GMT -5
I don't understand what you're getting at, even if Stay ends up becoming the most-streamed song released in 2021, who cares? Like we'll get there when we get there. Nobody is denying that the song is a huge hit. There's no reason to spam the Hot 100 thread every week trying to prove how big Stay is, "ITS THE BIGGEST HIT OF 2021," like okay. Cool. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The Dude is so clearly a troll lol, I wouldn't worry about it. Just a few weeks ago he said he was sick of Stay and wanted Fancy Like at Number 1 because we needed to make way for more "organic" hits 😅 To be perfectly honest, I'm beyond sick of Stay at this point. Instead of hating on it, I might as well point out its accomplishments, but radio needs to let this one go already. No reason why one of the biggest songs of the summer should still be near the top during what is supposed to be the Christmas domination.
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Post by Abbaschand on Dec 6, 2021 20:23:33 GMT -5
Guys, I think phieagles here is referencing Rockgolf's "complete" charts, where he counts the song based on the year it peaked. So that's why he said Stay is the biggest hit of 2021.
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Post by velaxti on Dec 6, 2021 20:36:40 GMT -5
Did Billboard also retroactively add songs that couldn't chart because they weren't released as a single? Certainly, songs like Stairway to Heaven, Into the Groove, Don't Speak, etc have picked up enough sales/streaming points during the past 15+ years that when combined with radio data (particularly post-1991) would be enough to at least end up on the list. I like the concept, but those cumulative year-end charts should be tagged/packaged differently because the whole premise is to reflect the biggest hit based on airplay/sales during that chart/calendar year. They did...I remember specifically Sublime had the number one song of both 1996 and 1997 (with "What I Got" and "Santeria", respectively). There were other album cuts that topped the year end lists, mostly classic rock from the 70s. They didn't say these lists replaced the originals, it was just an interesting way of gauging long-term popularity and endurance. I wish I could find the updated lists but Googling it is trickier than I thought. The article would probably be paywalled now anyway. I would really love to see that. I bet Mr. Brightside and All I Want For Christmas is You must be top for their release years lol
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Post by golfradio on Dec 6, 2021 21:04:31 GMT -5
Adele Holds Atop Hot 100, Mariah Carey Leads Sleigh Ride of Holiday Hits Back to Top 10 "Easy on Me" reigns for a sixth week, while "All I Want for Christmas Is You" surges 12-3. By Gary Trust 12/6/2021 Adele‘s “Easy on Me” tops the Billboard Hot 100 songs chart for a sixth total week. Plus, four holiday chestnuts jingle back to the Hot 100’s top 10: Mariah Carey‘s “All I Want for Christmas Is You,” up from No. 12 to No. 3; Brenda Lee’s “Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree” (14-4); Bobby Helms’ “Jingle Bell Rock” (20-5); and Burl Ives’ “A Holly Jolly Christmas” (27-7). The Hot 100 blends all-genre U.S. streaming (official audio and official video), radio airplay, and sales data. All charts (dated Dec. 11) will update on Billboard.com tomorrow (Dec. 7). For all chart news, you can follow billboard and billboardcharts on both Twitter and Instagram. “Easy on Me,” released Oct. 14 on Columbia Records, drew 87.1 million radio airplay audience impressions (down 6%) and 24.5 million U.S. streams (down 35%) and sold 10,500 downloads (down 62%) in the Nov. 26-Dec. 2 tracking week, according to MRC Data. The ballad spends a second week at No. 1 on the Radio Songs chart; drops to No. 4 on Streaming Songs after five weeks at the summit; and also ranks at No. 4 after two weeks atop Digital Song Sales. Meanwhile, the lead single from Adele’s LP 30, which tops the Billboard 200 albums chart for a second week, grants the singer-songwriter a fitting 30th total week at No. 1 on the Hot 100, encompassing her five career leaders. Previously, she reigned with “Rolling in the Deep,” for seven weeks in 2011; “Someone Like You” (five, 2011); “Set Fire to the Rain” (two, 2012); and “Hello” (10, 2015-16). Adele is the 17th artist to top the Hot 100 for at least 30 weeks, over the chart’s 63-year history. She’s the eighth woman to reach the mark, after Mariah Carey, the leader among all acts with 84 weeks at No. 1, Rihanna (60), Beyoncé (41), Janet Jackson, Katy Perry (33 each), Madonna (32) and Whitney Houston (31). “Easy on Me” concurrently becomes Adele’s fifth No. 1 on the mainstream top 40-based Pop Airplay radio airplay chart. It also leads Adult Pop Airplay for the third week. The Kid LAROI and Justin Bieber’s “Stay” holds at No. 2 on the Hot 100, after seven weeks at No. 1, with 83.8 million in airplay audience (down 1%), 14.3 million streams (down 13%), and 3,300 sold (down 27%). Mariah Carey’s “All I Want for Christmas Is You” soars 12-3 on the Hot 100, with 25.8 million U.S. streams (up 47%), 23.4 million airplay audience impressions (up 54%) and 5,800 sold (up 53%) in the tracking week. It bounds 5-1 on Streaming Songs for an 11th total week on top (and is the only holiday song to have led, dating to the survey’s January 2013 inception); 23-8 on Digital Song Sales; and 47-31 on Radio Songs. It also crowns the multi-metric Holiday 100 chart for a 47th week, of the chart’s 52 total weeks since the list launched in 2011; it has topped the tally for 32 consecutive weeks, dating to the start of the 2015-16 holiday season, and rules as the top title on the recently-revealed Greatest of All Time Holiday 100 Songs chart. “Christmas” past, “Christmas” present: Notably, the latest figures for Carey’s anthem are similar to those from the same week a year ago. In the Nov. 27-Dec. 3, 2020, post-Thanksgiving tracking frame, the song drew 26.4 million streams, 24.5 million in radio reach, and sold 6,800, as it dashed 14-2 on the Hot 100. The song sports a record-setting history on the Hot 100, following its 1994 release on Carey’s 1994 album Merry Christmas. As streaming grew through the 2010s and holiday music became more prominent in Yuletide playlists on multiple streaming services, the carol hit the top 10 for the first time in December 2017. In December 2019, it ascended to the summit, 25 years after its original release, becoming the second-holiday hit ever to reign; “The Chipmunk Song,” by David Seville & the Chipmunks, spent four weeks at No. 1 beginning in December 1958. With the ascent, Carey claimed her 19th Hot 100 No. 1, as she extended her mark for the most among soloists and moved to within one of The Beatles’ overall record 20. As “Christmas” dominated the Hot 100 for three weeks on the charts dated Dec. 21, 2019, through Jan. 4, 2020, Carey also became the first artist to have ranked at No. 1 on the survey in four distinct decades. The track added two more weeks on top in December 2020 and this January, passing “The Chipmunk Song” for the top cumulative command (five weeks) for a holiday song. Also returning to the Hot 100’s top 10 are three other holiday staples: Brenda Lee’s “Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree,” originally released in 1958 (14-4); the late Bobby Helms’ “Jingle Bell Rock,” from 1957 (20-5); and the late Burl Ives’ “A Holly Jolly Christmas,” from 1964 (27-7). A year ago this week, the songs vaulted 21-4 and 31-9 and re-entered at No. 24, respectively. They have peaked at Nos. 2, 3, and 4, respectively, in each of the last two holiday seasons. Overall, 21 seasonal songs decorate the latest Hot 100, much in line with the 22 on the chart a year ago this week. Lil Nas X and Jack Harlow’s “Industry Baby” dips 3-6 on the Hot 100, after a week at No. 1, as it posts a 15th week atop both the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Hot Rap Songs charts, which use the same multi-metric methodology as the Hot 100. Glass Animals’ “Heat Waves” slips to No. 8 from its No. 7 Hot 100 best, as it leads the multi-metric Hot Rock & Alternative Songs and Hot Alternative Songs charts for an 11th week each. Rounding out the Hot 100’s top 10, Ed Sheeran’s “Shivers” falls 6-9, after reaching No. 5, and Doja Cat’s “Need to Know” drops 9-10, after hitting No. 8. Again, for all chart news, you can follow billboard and billboardcharts on both Twitter and Instagram and all charts (dated Dec. 11), including the Hot 100 in its entirety, will refresh on Billboard.com tomorrow (Dec. 7).
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Post by Gary on Dec 6, 2021 21:47:15 GMT -5
The Dude is so clearly a troll lol, I wouldn't worry about it. Just a few weeks ago he said he was sick of Stay and wanted Fancy Like at Number 1 because we needed to make way for more "organic" hits 😅 To be perfectly honest, I'm beyond sick of Stay at this point. Instead of hating on it, I might as well point out its accomplishments, but radio needs to let this one go already. No reason why one of the biggest songs of the summer should still be near the top during what is supposed to be the Christmas domination. . If you are sick of it. Why make it the topic of every post? Nothing wrong with having opinions but it would be helpful if you could fixate/obsess on more than one thing at a time.
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Post by forg on Dec 6, 2021 22:03:56 GMT -5
I will remember the 2021 Billboard Hot 100 threads for the BTS/Butter drama and whatever long back and forth discussions/arguments that started because of a post from phieaglesfan72
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Post by Gary on Dec 6, 2021 22:13:31 GMT -5
I will remember the 2021 Billboard Hot 100 threads for the BTS/Butter drama and whatever long back and forth discussions/arguments that started because of a post from phieaglesfan72 The year in review - 2021 Blinding Lights One Too Many and the recurrency rules Fancy Like hitting #1 legitimate hits itunes discounts Stay is the biggest song of 2021 Did I miss anything? LOL
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Post by lurker2 on Dec 6, 2021 22:26:22 GMT -5
I will remember the 2021 Billboard Hot 100 threads for the BTS/Butter drama and whatever long back and forth discussions/arguments that started because of a post from phieaglesfan72 The year in review - 2021 Blinding Lights One Too Many and the recurrency rules Fancy Like hitting #1 legitimate hits itunes discounts Stay is the biggest song of 2021 Did I miss anything? LOL I remember Cold Heart being a thing, although not as prominent as those others. Plus Heat Waves needing to be pushed more
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Dec 6, 2021 22:30:19 GMT -5
funny how both songs were a part of that epic battle for #1 in May.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Dec 6, 2021 22:42:21 GMT -5
this is the first week since 03/09/2019 that we don't have a YE #1 song on charts (or at least that we know).
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Post by 85la on Dec 6, 2021 23:04:14 GMT -5
Interesting how Levitating almost completely overshadowed Don't Start Now, which was itself of course one of the biggest and most acclaimed hits of last year. With both songs peaking at #2 she might be one of those major artists to miss the #1, unless she can somehow do it with Cold Heart or something from her next era, which I hope and has a huge chance of doing well!!
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Post by 85la on Dec 6, 2021 23:09:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 23:21:55 GMT -5
I've had this opinion for about a year now, but this all but confirms it: Digital sales is a dead metric outside of Stan Twitter's impact, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was removed from the charts by the end of the decade.
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Post by fridayteenage on Dec 6, 2021 23:22:30 GMT -5
Interesting how Levitating almost completely overshadowed Don't Start Now, which was itself of course one of the biggest and most acclaimed hits of last year. With both songs peaking at #2 she might be one of those major artists to miss the #1, unless she can somehow do it with Cold Heart or something from her next era, which I hope and has a huge chance of doing well!! I still find it weird how 21 Pilots scored two #2 hits, only to follow them up with a string of flops.
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 6, 2021 23:27:07 GMT -5
It'll be a while before Dua Lipa gets to the level of Credence Clearwater Revival with 5 #2 hits and no #1 hits, but Dua Lipa is already close to En Vogue territory.
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Post by Darkest Hour on Dec 6, 2021 23:48:53 GMT -5
13k sales according to Billboard's Country Update article.
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 7, 2021 1:13:36 GMT -5
That's not too far below where it's been tracking recently.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Dec 7, 2021 1:20:20 GMT -5
Levitating is now levitating into music chart heaven
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 7, 2021 4:00:52 GMT -5
RIP to Levitating
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 7, 2021 4:34:38 GMT -5
In Europe, Levitating was old 4 months ago so not fussed about it.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 7, 2021 6:14:15 GMT -5
Notable Gains: #4. Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree (+10) #5. Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock (+15) #7. Burl Ives - A Holly Jolly Christmas (+20) #11. Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year (+19) #15. Wham! - Last Christmas (+25) #24. GAYLE -abcdefu (+27) #69. Imagine Dragons and J.I.D. - Enemy (+16)
Notable Losses: #21. Taylor Swift - All Too Well (Taylor's Version) (-17) #23. Walker Hayes - Fancy Like (-10) #26. Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u (-11) #28. WizKid feat. Justin Bieber and Tems (-12) #29. Doja Cat and The Weeknd - You Right (-10) #31. Drake - Way 2 Sexy (-14) #32. Måneskin - Beggin' (-10) #33. Post Malone and The Weeknd - One Right Now (-12) #37. Adele - Oh My God (-32) #42. Jason Aldean and Carrie Underwood - If I Didn't Love You (-14) #45. NEIKED, Mae Muller, and Polo G - Better Days (-11) #47. CKay - love nwantiti (ah ah ah) (-10) #49. Dustin Lynch feat. Lauren Alaina or MacKenzie Porter (-13) #51. Coldplay and BTS - My Universe (-12) #54. Jordan Davis feat. Luke Bryan - Buy Dirt (-19) #67. Adele - My Little Love (-44) #74. Adele - Can I Get It (-48) #75. Juice WRLD - Already Dead (-14) #76. Adele - I Drink Wine (-58) #84. Polo G - Bad Man (Smooth Criminal) (-16) #88. Cody Johnson - 'Til You Can't (-11) #90. Doja Cat - Woman (-10) #94. Swedish House Mafia and The Weeknd - Moth to a Flame (-10) #100. Summer Walker and JT - Ex for a Reason (-10)
Re-entries #16. Jose Feliciano - Feliz Navidad #17. Darlene Love - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) #18. Nat King Cole - The Christmas Song #19. The Ronettes - Sleigh Ride #20. Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot like Christmas #22. Dean Martin - Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow #25. Bing Crosby - White Christmas #27. Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree #30. Andy Williams - Happy Holidays/The Holiday Season #35. Gene Autry - Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer #36. Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me #40. Chuck Berry - Run-Rudolph Run #46. Perry Como - (There's No Place Like) Home for the Holidays #81. Priscilla Block - Just About Over You #89. MoneyBagg Yo - Scorpio
Notable Dropouts: Levitating (60 weeks) Leave the Door Open (38 weeks) Take My Breath (16 weeks) Too Easy (8 weeks) Jugaste y Sufrí (7 weeks) ESCAPE PLAN (3 weeks)
Biggest Gain in Airplay: All I Want for Christmas is You Biggest Gain in Streams: A Holly Jolly Christmas Biggest Gain in Sales: Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree
Gained in Points: #8. Glass Animals - Heat Waves (-1) #10. Doja Cat - Need to Know (-1) #39. Justin Bieber - Ghost (-1) #43. Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT (-1) #44. Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever (+1) #55. Kodak Black - Super Gremlin (+8) *new peak* #59. Blxst and Tyga feat. Ty Dolla $ign - Chosen (+1) #61. Michael Ray - Whiskey & Rain (+6) *new peak* #66. Kenny Chesney - Knowing You (+3) #71. Latto - Big Energy (+1) *new peak* #85. Giveon - For Tonight (-2) #87. Wale feat. J. Cole - Poke It Out (+4) #96. Jonas Brothers - Who's In Your Head (+2)
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 7, 2021 6:22:44 GMT -5
Top 20 Without Christmas Songs: 1. Easy On Me 2. STAY 3. INDUSTRY BABY 4. Heat Waves 5. Shivers 6. Need to Know 7. Bad Habits 8. Cold Heart 9. Smokin' Out the Window 10. All Too Well (Taylor's Version)
11. Fancy Like 12. abcdefu 13. good 4 u 14. Essence 15. You Right 16. Way 2 Sexy 17. Beggin' 18. One Right Now 19. Kiss Me More 20. Oh My God
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Post by otaviohmg on Dec 7, 2021 7:13:47 GMT -5
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Dec 7, 2021 8:05:09 GMT -5
In Europe, Levitating was old 4 months ago so not fussed about it. On the UK chart, Levitating even fell off before BL (which is still hanging by a thread at #100, but will likely fall off next week due to Christmas songs). I’d be willing to bet that Levitating is below BL on the recurrent list within 10 weeks.
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