Billboard Hot 100: 12/11/2021

[jenglisbe]

Dec 6, 2021 23:21:55 GMT -5 @sklohiorawr said:

Dec 6, 2021 23:09:52 GMT -5 85la said:

We've entered a new era

I've had this opinion for about a year now, but this all but confirms it: Digital sales is a dead metric outside of Stan Twitter's impact, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was removed from the charts by the end of the decade.

Eh, would they ever just not count sales? Physical sales have been dead for years but are still counted.

[Choco]

Not counted? maybe not.

But I still expect the next recalibration to lower their impact. And once they no longer mean automatic #1 hits for BTS and Taylor (and the only reason Nicki can still make top 40), big acts will abandon the format and sales will plummet even further.

[twelvevinylrecords]

So lemme get this straight: a song called HEAT WAVES which came out in the summer is hitting its peak in December, while a song called COLD HEART is not able to hit the top 10

[Clode]

In about 20 years If the best selling song of the Week on average ends up selling only a couple hundred copies, Then I could actually see Billboard completely remove sales from their formula by then. This is obviously just a hypothetical prediction and in no way am I actually suggesting that sales could actually end up becoming almost nonexistent by then. 

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Holiday Songs Breakdown - 12/11/21

12 3 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (+9)
14 4 Brenda Lee - Rockin’ Around The Christmas Tree (+10)
20 5 Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock (+15)
27 7 Burt Ives - A Holly Jolly Christmas (+20)
30 11 Andy Williams - It’s The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year (+19)
40 15 Wham! - Last Christmas (+25)
RE 16 Jose Feliciano - Feliz Navidad
RE 17 Darlene Love - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)
RE 18 Nat King Cole - The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas To You)
RE 19 The Ronettes - Sleigh Ride
RE 20 Michael Buble - It’s Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas
RE 22 Dean Martin - Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow
RE 25 Bing Crosby - White Christmas
RE 27 Kelly Clarkson - Underneath The Tree
RE 30 Andy Williams - Happy Holiday/The Holiday Season
RE 35 Gene Autry - Rudolph The Rednose Reindeer
RE 36 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
RE 40 Chuck Berry - Run Run Rudolph
RE 45 Perry Como - (There’s No Place Like) Home For The Holidays
NEW 77 Dan & Shay - Pick Out A Christmas Tree -
NEW 82 Taylor Swift - Christmas Tree Farm (Old Timey Version)

Total Songs: 21
+ 13 re-entries
+ 2 new entries



Songs that went recurrent:
Dua Lipa - Levitating
Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open

[Enigma.]

Any new peaks?

[Choco]

LTDO blocked Levitating and now they left on the same week. Goodbye both of you! It was fun (and a bit frustrating that Levitating came thisclose to being Dua's first #1).

[phieaglesfan712]

Dec 7, 2021 8:39:20 GMT -5 twelvevinylrecords said:

So lemme get this straight: a song called HEAT WAVES which came out in the summer is hitting its peak in December, while a song called COLD HEART is not able to hit the top 10

Don’t forget that it came out in summer 2020, so it’s reaching its peak here now a year and a half after it’s release, and a year after it peaked worldwide. (Now watch Cold Heart reach its peak on the Hot 100 some time in spring 2022.)

[gikem]

Dec 7, 2021 8:45:09 GMT -5 Choco said:

LTDO blocked Levitating and now they left on the same week. Goodbye both of you! It was fun (and a bit frustrating that Levitating came thisclose to being Dua's first #1).

Reminds me of when Say So and Savage left the Hot 100 at the same time in October 2020 after battling it out for #1 the previous May. Only difference is that both songs ended up going to #1 anyway.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

At #2 in Hot 100 Recurrents is You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch. I guess it will probably debut in the Hot 100 next week.

[Gary]

Last year it got to #32

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Oh, yeah. I completely forgot.

Anyway, between songs in the Hot 100 and Hot 100 Recurrents this week, the top 36 of Holiday Songs is charting in either, plus Pick Out a Christmas at #48 and Christmas Tree Farm (Old Timey Version) at #52. Santa's Gotta Dirty Job debuted at #91 in the Holiday 100.

[gikem]

I'm rooting hard for the Vince Guaraldi Trio to finally get a song on the Hot 100 this holiday season.

[Gary]

Dec 7, 2021 9:41:32 GMT -5 gikem said:

I'm rooting hard for the Vince Guaraldi Trio to finally get a song on the Hot 100 this holiday season.

It would be their first since 1963

'Cast Your Fate To The Wind' got to #22 in February 1963

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

I would hope it would be Christmastime is Here. Although Linus & Lucy is currently above it in the Holiday 100.

[gikem]

Dec 7, 2021 9:53:34 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

I would hope it would be Christmastime is Here. Although Linus & Lucy is currently above it in the Holiday 100.

I was hoping it would be their version of O Tannenbaum/O Christmas Tree, but Linus & Lucy is good too. However, I've always preferred the instrumental version of Christmastime Is Here (the children's choir in the vocal version is kinda grating to me).

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

[singingrulebritannia]

Dec 7, 2021 8:36:06 GMT -5 Choco said:

But I still expect the next recalibration to lower their impact.

eh I don't know...has there been any formula change recently when Billboard had the chance to acknowledge the decline of digital sales, and did not proceed to do the opposite and pump up their ratio more (while at the same time doing anything they can within bounds to dampen streaming)?

[joshtheking]

RIP Levitating, what a legendary run

[sheardbeard]

Dec 7, 2021 8:44:27 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Any new peaks?

You mean among the holiday re-entries? Yes: Michael Bublé’s “It’s Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas” reaches a new peak at #20, and Darlene Love’s “Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)” reaches a new peak at #17.

[phieaglesfan712]

Dec 7, 2021 10:12:55 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Dec 7, 2021 8:36:06 GMT -5 Choco said:

But I still expect the next recalibration to lower their impact.

eh I don't know...has there been any formula change recently when Billboard had the chance to acknowledge the decline of digital sales, and not proceed to do the opposite and pump up their ratio more (while at the same time doing anything they can within bounds to dampen streaming)?

The removal of UGC in January 2020 was the perfect opportunity for Billboard to address the situation of declining of digital sales.

[atg]

Dec 7, 2021 6:14:15 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Notable Dropouts:
Levitating (60 weeks)
Leave the Door Open (38 weeks)
Take My Breath (16 weeks)

RIP to these 3 songs all amazing and the latter deserved to last longer…

[singingrulebritannia]

With how much Billboard bends backwards to defend the relevancy of sales, I could totally see them making the argument that when Martin Shkreli bought that one-copy limited edition Wu-Tang Clan album for millions of dollars, it was the most popular album that week lol

[Naos]

Bubbling Under:
1. Acraze - Do It To It (=)
2. Camila Cabello - I'll Be Home For Christmas (debut)
3. Dierks Bentley, Breland & HARDY - Beers On Me (+1)
4. Sam Hunt - 23 (+1)
5. Ari Lennox - Pressure (+8)
6. Carly Pearce & Ashley McBryde - Never Wanted to Be That Girl (-3)
7. Playboi Carti - Sky (=)
8. Walker Hayes - U Gurl (+9)
9. B-Lovee - My Everything (debut)
10. Emmy Meli - I Am Woman (-8)
11. Blake Shelton - Come Back As a Country Boy (-3)
12. The Walters - I Love You So (+9)
13. Kelly Clarkson - Christmas Isn't Canceled (Just You) (debut)
14. FL Dusa - Dear God (-3)
15. Megan Thee Stallion - Megan's Piano (debut)
16. Russell Dickerson - Home Sweet (-7)
17. Tate McRae - Feel Like Sh*t (-1)
18. HARDY - Give Heaven Some Hell (+1)
19. The Rare Occasions - Notion (+3)
20. Money Man - LLC (=)
21. DaBaby - Roof (-7)
22. Tiesto & Ava Max - The Motto (+3)
23. Rvssian, Rauw Alejandro & Chris Brown - Nostalgico (debut)
24. Cole Swindell & Lainey Wilson - Never Say Never (debut)
25. BoyWithUke - Toxic (-2)

[JukeboxJacob]

Imagine how much better and more accurate the past couple years would've been for the charts without sales having such a big impact

[Amnesiac]

I do not think sales are going anywhere on the Hot 100. Billboard will hesitate to remove either of the original two 1958 metrics from the chart: sales or radio airplay. Digital sales almost certainly aren't going anywhere in the Hot 100 metrics with the rise in popularity of Bandcamp. Last year, we got a Hot 100 hit based purely on Bandcamp sales with Phoebe Bridgers and Maggie Rogers' Goo Goo Dolls cover and I suspect it won't be the last.

People still like to purchase individual digital songs for whatever reason. Why remove something that could still be a useful metric even with nonsense stan/novelty stuff like this Dirty Jobs thing? The next recalibration of the charts could certainly change the weight of sales on the Hot 100, but I don't think it's going anywhere soon per se.

[dovahduck]

Dec 7, 2021 13:54:12 GMT -5 atg said:

Dec 7, 2021 6:14:15 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Notable Dropouts:
Levitating (60 weeks)
Leave the Door Open (38 weeks)
Take My Breath (16 weeks)

RIP to these 3 songs all amazing and the latter deserved to last longer…

Hopefully "TMB" will be able to re-enter in January and make it to 20 weeks but damn, it truly deserved more. 

[lazer]

I mean, Billboard defo needs to get rid of obvious stan mass-buying that is part of their sales formula.

[ontopofthis]

Dec 7, 2021 15:45:14 GMT -5 Amnesiac said:

I do not think sales are going anywhere on the Hot 100. Billboard will hesitate to remove either of the original two 1958 metrics from the chart: sales or radio airplay. Digital sales almost certainly aren't going anywhere in the Hot 100 metrics with the rise in popularity of Bandcamp. Last year, we got a Hot 100 hit based purely on Bandcamp sales with Phoebe Bridgers and Maggie Rogers' Goo Goo Dolls cover and I suspect it won't be the last.

People still like to purchase individual digital songs for whatever reason. Why remove something that could still be a useful metric even with nonsense stan/novelty stuff like this Dirty Jobs thing? The next recalibration of the charts could certainly change the weight of sales on the Hot 100, but I don't think it's going anywhere soon per se.

In the early 2000s, they adjusted how they measure songs to the point where it essentially just measured airplay, so having them be at such a weight now when they are nearly nonexistent is outrageous 

[atg]

Dec 7, 2021 15:57:17 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

Dec 7, 2021 13:54:12 GMT -5 atg said:

RIP to these 3 songs all amazing and the latter deserved to last longer…

Hopefully "TMB" will be able to re-enter in January and make it to 20 weeks but damn, it truly deserved more. 

If TMB gets added to The Dawn then that’s a guaranteed re entry and it shouldn’t be a problem because Abel has managed to chart all songs from his last 3 eras on the charts. Although it probably wouldn’t be a high position or get enough longevity to make the 2022 YE.