Billboard Hot 100: 12/18/2021

[Choco]

Dec 9, 2021 19:59:24 GMT -5 magik said:

I wonder if "Easy On Me" can fend off the Christmas songs a little while longer. We don't see one dominant Christmas song yet. Perhaps Brenda Lee can win the war against Mariah this year.

I'd be more than OK with it blocking the Xmas songs. And it would potentially give Adele her longest running #1 hit to date.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 9, 2021 17:30:57 GMT -5 divasummer said:

I wonder if Mariah promoting so hard the last few years is starting to be overkill for the public?

I don't think it's as much that "AIWFCIY" has fallen as much as measures out of its control have hurt it. A lot of older holiday songs have benefitted from Spotify playlisting that "AIWFCIY" is too new to be a part of, and then there are the programmed streams of Pandora where "AIWFCIY" is really suffering. In terms of actual public consumption - on-demand streams and sales - "AIWFCIY" is still ahead.

"Easy on Me" has a huge lead in airplay, which will be tough for any holiday song to overcome since streams for holiday songs aren't as high as last year. I'd think people here would be annoyed with radio determining the #1?

[iHype.]

Dec 9, 2021 17:01:21 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Personally I remember 2012 being the first year that AIWFCIY started becoming the go-to Christmas song

It has always been the best-selling Christmas song each year since the digital era began though.

I don't think there is an exact year where AIWFCIY became a standard/the go-to. It just very casually had staying power then before we knew it, it was a standard.

I would say its similar to what is happening with Ariana's "Santa Tell Me". It did really good the year it was released, stuck around and has done great if not better each year since, then maybe in 10 or so years it'll just be universally seen as a standard and she'll be performing it on many events. 

Christmas standards just happen on their own over time, there's not really a specific year or easily identifiable timeline in majority instances.

[sheardbeard]

Dec 9, 2021 20:49:58 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Dec 9, 2021 17:01:21 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Personally I remember 2012 being the first year that AIWFCIY started becoming the go-to Christmas song

It has always been the best-selling Christmas song each year since the digital era began though.

I don't think there is an exact year where AIWFCIY became a standard/the go-to. It just very casually had staying power then before we knew it, it was a standard.

I would say its similar to what is happening with Ariana's "Santa Tell Me". It did really good the year it was released, stuck around and has done great if not better each year since, then maybe in 10 or so years it'll just be universally seen as a standard and she'll be performing it on many events. 

Christmas standards just happen on their own over time, there's not really a specific year or easily identifiable timeline in majority instances.

I’d add Kelly Clarkson‘s “Underneath the Tree” as a soon-to-be Christmas standard. It too seems to get more popular every year since it was first released in 2013. I think it’s so successful because it has a classic “feel” to it… like it already sounds like a standard, if that makes sense.

[Push The Button]

“All I Want For Christmas Is You” hit #1 on iTunes in December 2005, back when that was a huge ass deal.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 9, 2021 22:03:27 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

“All I Want For Christmas Is You” hit #1 on iTunes in December 2005, back when that was a huge ass deal.

And as I said in another thread, "AIWFCIY" was also top 10 in digital sales in the 2003 and 2004 holiday seasons. It was the only holiday song in the top 10 back then.

[Gary]

The Mariah song spends week 91 on the digital songs chart, passing 'Blinding Lights' for 2nd place

[Music Fan]

I don't necessarily think Mariah promoting has hurt. I think that's actually still helping. I see it as the "novelty" of having Mariah's AIWFCIY as the "it" Christmas song is just naturally wearing off. It's just kind of cemented into a classic now, whereas before I kind of saw that as the public's goal -- to put it there. It will still be one of the most played, but I think it'll just start competing for the top spot now, instead of it being guaranteed the top spot, especially as Christmas songs are catching up to it on streaming, particularly with playlisting.

[Angel]

Dec 9, 2021 20:42:08 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 9, 2021 17:30:57 GMT -5 divasummer said:

I wonder if Mariah promoting so hard the last few years is starting to be overkill for the public?

I don't think it's as much that "AIWFCIY" has fallen as much as measures out of its control have hurt it. A lot of older holiday songs have benefitted from Spotify playlisting that "AIWFCIY" is too new to be a part of, and then there are the programmed streams of Pandora where "AIWFCIY" is really suffering. In terms of actual public consumption - on-demand streams and sales - "AIWFCIY" is still ahead.

"Easy on Me" has a huge lead in airplay, which will be tough for any holiday song to overcome since streams for holiday songs aren't as high as last year. I'd think people here would be annoyed with radio determining the #1?

It's really hard for me this year in that there hasn't been an established December #1 that I actually really liked in a really long time (probably since Hello if I'm being honest) so I kind of hope Easy On Me can hold on even if All I Want for Christmas is You is my favourite Christmas song and I typically buy into its December hype. Very conflicted lol 

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Dec 9, 2021 14:57:52 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Dec 9, 2021 13:16:43 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Maybe this may be a lesson in finding out the audience for Kelly Clarkson's show might not be big enough for streaming services/is not an audience that is big on streaming.

Probably. Underneath the Tree seems to be the outlier for her. She has no other songs in the top 50 Streaming Holiday songs.

Underneath the Tree is also more 8 years old so again, it takes time for Christmas songs to grow into staples.

[After Minutes]

Rappers in general just aren't performing that well with their lead singles anymore. Travis' debut was underwhelming even considering the Astroworld tragedy, Juice's tracks are underperforming. While Polo G's Rapstar is still going strong, that is more the exception. Drake's songs are doing well, Family Ties is in a decent position, but that may be related to the artists' star-power. Industry Baby is huge, but that is a song mostly consumed by the pop audience.

I don't think that rap is fading or anything, the albums are performing better that ever, but it is apparent that pop is catching up and the hip-hop community is in a transitional period

[dodgerslakers94]

Dec 9, 2021 23:48:21 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Dec 9, 2021 14:57:52 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Probably. Underneath the Tree seems to be the outlier for her. She has no other songs in the top 50 Streaming Holiday songs.

Underneath the Tree is also more 8 years old so again, it takes time for Christmas songs to grow into staples.

I could see Underneath the Tree hitting #1 in the future. Would probably replace All I Want for Christmas Is You as the Hot 100 #1 this time around.

[smiley22]

Dec 9, 2021 17:30:57 GMT -5 divasummer said:

I wonder if Mariah promoting so hard the last few years is starting to be overkill for the public?

I think it’s because she was promoting that helped push the song to #1. This years promotion has been nonexistent. They could at least discount the single.

Why is Pandora pissed at her? Something just doesn’t feel right about this year.

[JukeboxJacob]

Dec 10, 2021 0:12:45 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Rappers in general just aren't performing that well with their lead singles anymore. Travis' debut was underwhelming even considering the Astroworld tragedy, Juice's tracks are underperforming. While Polo G's Rapstar is still going strong, that is more the exception. Drake's songs are doing well, Family Ties is in a decent position, but that may be related to the artists' star-power. Industry Baby is huge, but that is a song mostly consumed by the pop audience.

I don't think that rap is fading or anything, the albums are performing better that ever, but it is apparent that pop is catching up and the hip-hop community is in a transitional period

This year's been very transitional for music

[Enigma.]

Polo G's new songs are not doing nowhere near as well as expected either. He released basically another album and couldn't even top AM.

[NeRD]

Easy on Me is still doing really well on streaming though so it's not like it's airplay is the only thing holding it up. I think every week it has and will spend at #1 is warranted. I'm sure Mariah will get a week at #1 the week of Christmas tracking period.

[whales10268]

If Easy on Me isn't number one again, it's due to amazon

[ontopofthis]

Dec 10, 2021 0:12:45 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Rappers in general just aren't performing that well with their lead singles anymore. Travis' debut was underwhelming even considering the Astroworld tragedy, Juice's tracks are underperforming. While Polo G's Rapstar is still going strong, that is more the exception. Drake's songs are doing well, Family Ties is in a decent position, but that may be related to the artists' star-power. Industry Baby is huge, but that is a song mostly consumed by the pop audience.

I don't think that rap is fading or anything, the albums are performing better that ever, but it is apparent that pop is catching up and the hip-hop community is in a transitional period

Singles have videos and radio promotion. Those Travis Scott songs were just put out for his fans for Astrofest. Those are not singles, let alone lead singles. Post Malone, on the other hand, well, yeah  

[otaviohmg]

SZA debuted at #1 on US Weekly Spotify with 9,091,658 streams!
Global: #19 with 17,740,494 streams

[phieaglesfan712]

The more I think about it, I get this eerie feeling that RATCT is going to pull this one out, kind of like how AIWFCIY pulled it out 2 years ago this week for its first week at #1.

[degen]

Remember a couple weeks ago how you couldn’t enter these threads without dealing with a bunch of Taylor fans gloating. Where are they now? Is Taylor even projected to be in the top 10 this week? Or is “All Too Well” possibly the least worthy #1 of the decade?

[fridayteenage]

Dec 10, 2021 15:28:44 GMT -5 degen said:

Remember a couple weeks ago how you couldn’t enter these threads without dealing with a bunch of Taylor fans gloating. Where are they now? Is Taylor even projected to be in the top 10 this week? Or is “All Too Well” possibly the least worthy #1 of the decade?

All Too Well one of two non-xmas songs in the most recently published Streaming top 10, whew. A 9 year old rereleased song, whew.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 10, 2021 14:46:48 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

The more I think about it, I get this eerie feeling that RATCT is going to pull this one out, kind of like how AIWFCIY pulled it out 2 years ago this week for its first week at #1.

It will be interesting. "AIWFCIY" will lead "RATCT" in airplay and sales. "RATCT" could take over the lead in overall streams, especially because of programmed steams. "AIWFCIY" could still lead in other streams, though, so we could see "RATCT" have more total streams, but equal or less in terms of chart points. Both songs have a big gap to overcome in terms of the airplay lead "Easy on Me" has, especially since it also leads in sales.

[lurker2]

Dec 10, 2021 15:28:44 GMT -5 degen said:

Remember a couple weeks ago how you couldn’t enter these threads without dealing with a bunch of Taylor fans gloating. Where are they now? Is Taylor even projected to be in the top 10 this week? Or is “All Too Well” possibly the least worthy #1 of the decade?

It was number one on streaming by a good deal? How's it less deserving than any of the mass bought number ones without that (say, Trollz or any of the BTS number ones)?

[kindofbiased]

Dec 10, 2021 15:28:44 GMT -5 degen said:

Remember a couple weeks ago how you couldn’t enter these threads without dealing with a bunch of Taylor fans gloating. Where are they now? Is Taylor even projected to be in the top 10 this week? Or is “All Too Well” possibly the least worthy #1 of the decade?

Let's not pretend ATW wasn't massive on streaming and even taking back the Spotify #1 from Adele very shortly after 30 came out lmao

[kcdawg13]

ATW was actually a huge streaming hit, unlike her two previous lead-singles or most of the recent sales led #1's (BTS, Stuck With U, Trollz).

It's just not having great longevity, I do think it'll get 20 weeks on the Hot 100 and lock on the YE list, but with no radio play (even with the cutdown version, pop radio doesn't want to play songs that are almost a decade old) it just doesn't have a good chance at sticking around with only streaming.

But you can't deny how big those first two weeks were, the song was actually huge and ended up grabbing the #1 spot back from Adele briefly. I think it definitely deserved that week at #1, because it was actually huge, unlike something like Butter which banked off sales for 10 weeks with barely any radio and minimal streaming. ATW reminds me a lot of This Is America, that song also had trash longevity but you can't deny how huge it was, it deserved those weeks at #1.

[JukeboxJacob]

Dec 10, 2021 15:28:44 GMT -5 degen said:

Remember a couple weeks ago how you couldn’t enter these threads without dealing with a bunch of Taylor fans gloating. Where are they now? Is Taylor even projected to be in the top 10 this week? Or is “All Too Well” possibly the least worthy #1 of the decade?

I'm not a fan of the song itself either but its week at #1 was 100% fair and accurate. This is even more dumb to say considering there's ACTUAL fraudulent #1s this decade so far

[Deleted]

Dec 10, 2021 15:28:44 GMT -5 degen said:

Remember a couple weeks ago how you couldn’t enter these threads without dealing with a bunch of Taylor fans gloating. Where are they now? Is Taylor even projected to be in the top 10 this week? Or is “All Too Well” possibly the least worthy #1 of the decade?

Probably working? 

[phieaglesfan712]

Dec 10, 2021 16:02:32 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

ATW was actually a huge streaming hit, unlike her two previous lead-singles or most of the recent sales led #1's (BTS, Stuck With U, Trollz).

It's just not having great longevity, I do think it'll get 20 weeks on the Hot 100 and lock on the YE list, but with no radio play (even with the cutdown version, pop radio doesn't want to play songs that are almost a decade old) it just doesn't have a good chance at sticking around with only streaming.

But you can't deny how big those first two weeks were, the song was actually huge and ended up grabbing the #1 spot back from Adele briefly. I think it definitely deserved that week at #1, because it was actually huge, unlike something like Butter which banked off sales for 10 weeks with barely any radio and minimal streaming. ATW reminds me a lot of This Is America, that song also had trash longevity but you can't deny how huge it was, it deserved those weeks at #1.

The difference is that This is America was #1 in its first 2 weeks and #2 on its 3rd week. If I remember correctly, it had like 15 or 17 weeks on the chart. ATW was a one-week fluke that will likely fall off the chart with like 5 weeks if it isn’t fully pushed as a single on radio.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 10, 2021 15:28:44 GMT -5 degen said:

Remember a couple weeks ago how you couldn’t enter these threads without dealing with a bunch of Taylor fans gloating. Where are they now? Is Taylor even projected to be in the top 10 this week? Or is “All Too Well” possibly the least worthy #1 of the decade?

Oh, maybe you don’t understand how charts work either?