Billboard Hot 100: 03/12/2022

[gikem]

Zendaya reminds me a lot of Hailee Steinfeld in how they both broke out in acting and then tried to pull off singing careers soon afterwards, it didn’t really last, and so they just decided to make acting their main gig and that’s what they’re best known for now. Rarely do I ever see IRL people bring up either of their non-acting-related singing careers.

[pnobelysk]

Avril not even bubbling under during her release week breaks my heart. Always rooting for her

[pnobelysk]

Mar 9, 2022 0:37:44 GMT -5 gikem said:

Zendaya reminds me a lot of Hailee Steinfeld in how they both broke out in acting and then tried to pull off singing careers soon afterwards, it didn’t really last, and so they just decided to make acting their main gig and that’s what they’re best known for now. Rarely do I ever see IRL people bring up either of their non-acting-related singing careers.

I would argue hailee tried much harder to launch a singing career. Zendaya reminds me way more of Zac efron and Ana Kendrick. More passionate about establishing an acting career that sometimes overlaps with music than being a traditional music artist.

[iHype.]

Mar 9, 2022 1:32:00 GMT -5 pnobelysk said:

Mar 9, 2022 0:37:44 GMT -5 gikem said:

Zendaya reminds me a lot of Hailee Steinfeld in how they both broke out in acting and then tried to pull off singing careers soon afterwards, it didn’t really last, and so they just decided to make acting their main gig and that’s what they’re best known for now. Rarely do I ever see IRL people bring up either of their non-acting-related singing careers.

I would argue hailee tried much harder to launch a singing career. Zendaya reminds me way more of Zac efron and Ana Kendrick. More passionate about establishing an acting career that sometimes overlaps with music than being a traditional music artist.

Zendaya has released an album and starred in a musical, so she definitely has 'tried harder' to crossover into music. 

Hailee has never released an album or anything. She just dipped her toes in the water with a few standalone songs and an EP over the years. 


And justice for this song

[pnobelysk]

Mar 9, 2022 1:38:15 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Mar 9, 2022 1:32:00 GMT -5 pnobelysk said:

I would argue hailee tried much harder to launch a singing career. Zendaya reminds me way more of Zac efron and Ana Kendrick. More passionate about establishing an acting career that sometimes overlaps with music than being a traditional music artist.

Zendaya has released an album and starred in a musical, so she definitely has 'tried harder' to crossover into music. 

Hailee has never released an album or anything. She just dipped her toes in the water with a few standalone songs and an EP over the years. 


And justice for this song

I’d be very down to just disagree on this. Zendayas album was just a light Disney era project. And she’s in a musical yes, just like Zac efron and Ana Kendrick have done. Hailee may not have an album but she’s pushed (and succeeded) on pop radio Multiple times. I really just don’t think zendaya prioritized music. Do we think she cares at all about her song replay or that album haha

[Choco]

Yeah I agree with that last post. Zendaya dropped a Disney project that did very low numbers and saw the writing on the wall so she gave up on the singing. She hasn't done any music not releated to an acting gig in a good while.

Hailee succeeded way more and tried much longer even if she did "just" and EP (the line between EP and album has never been blurrier than it is these days too).

In the end they're both great actresses with a couple good tracks hidden here and there, but I think Hailee really thought she could do the pop star thing while Zendaya was probably doing an album just because all the Disney ladies had to do one.

[Enigma.]

Seems that Nail Tech isn't that big follow up hit for Jack Harlow after all.

[kimberly]

Mar 9, 2022 3:21:51 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Seems that Nail Tech isn't that big follow up hit for Jack Harlow after all.

"Nail Tech" had a great debut, but the song is just not catchy or marketable enough to last long I think. it really doesn't have a memorable hook. the "fam over gram that's my MO" bar is the only part I could see blowing up, but other than that, it's kind of like a 3-minute long verse. I'm not surprised by the lackluster performance. being the white boy of the month on Twitter can only do so much if the song does not have what it takes.

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regarding Zendaya, people seem to be forgetting that she was gearing up to release a follow-up to her self-titled debut that got scrapped after the underwhelming performance of the lead single "Something New" ft. Chris Brown. (it reached No. 93 on the Hot 100, No. 28 on pop radio, and No. 10 on rhythmic.) she even got signed onto Republic Records for this unreleased sophomore era, and was supposedly working with Timbaland as her producer for the album. 

now I do think Hailee Steinfeld was pushing harder for a music career, but not my much. they both dabbled in music and scored a hit and a half each, before ultimately shifting their focus back to their acting careers.

[mms82]

Mar 9, 2022 5:46:06 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Mar 9, 2022 3:21:51 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Seems that Nail Tech isn't that big follow up hit for Jack Harlow after all.

"Nail Tech" had a great debut, but the song is just not catchy or marketable enough to last long I think. it really doesn't have a memorable hook. the "fam over gram that's my MO" bar is the only part I could see blowing up, but other than that, it's kind of like a 3-minute long verse. I'm not surprised by the lackluster performance. being the white boy of the month on Twitter can only do so much if the song does not have what it takes.

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regarding Zendaya, people seem to be forgetting that she was gearing up to release a follow-up to her self-titled debut that got scrapped after the underwhelming performance of the lead single "Something New" ft. Chris Brown. (it reached No. 93 on the Hot 100, No. 28 on pop radio, and No. 10 on rhythmic.) she even got signed onto Republic Records for this unreleased sophomore era, and was supposedly working with Timbaland as her producer for the album. 

now I do think Hailee Steinfeld was pushing harder for a music career, but not my much. they both dabbled in music and scored a hit and a half each, before ultimately shifting their focus back to their acting careers.

What are their respective hit and a halves?

[iHype.]

Mar 9, 2022 2:03:07 GMT -5 pnobelysk said:

Mar 9, 2022 1:38:15 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Zendaya has released an album and starred in a musical, so she definitely has 'tried harder' to crossover into music. 

Hailee has never released an album or anything. She just dipped her toes in the water with a few standalone songs and an EP over the years. 


And justice for this song

I’d be very down to just disagree on this. Zendayas album was just a light Disney era project. And she’s in a musical yes, just like Zac efron and Ana Kendrick have done. Hailee may not have an album but she’s pushed (and succeeded) on pop radio Multiple times. I really just don’t think zendaya prioritized music. Do we think she cares at all about her song replay or that album haha

Because Zendaya was in a recording contract with Hollywood Records who does not bother pushing artists to Pop Radio.

Look at their entire roster of artists and you will almost all of them have ever been pushed to Pop radio more than 1-2 times total.

That is something out of her control and she already spoke about how she disliked being under that contract.

"I think the [music] industry takes a little bit of passion away from you. It sucks you dry a little bit," she says. "What I thought I wanted, it's not what I want anymore, [especially] when I think about what I had to deal with in the music industry."

"If anyone asks my number one advice, for [the entertainment] industry in general but mostly the music industry, it's look over those contracts, every single word, and don't sign anything that isn't worth it to you," she adds. "You are worth more than they will say that you are."

It wasn’t until Selena Gomez left Hollywood Records and signed with Interscope for Revival in 2015 that she became a true Pop star and radio hit maker. It wasn’t until Miley Cyrus left Hollywood Records and signed with RCA for Bangerz in 2013 that she became a true Pop star and radio hit maker.

Hailee signed to Republic from the get-go who actually has the primary purpose of pushing someone to Pop Radio specifically and trying to make them become a Pop star.

It’s not about “trying harder” or “prioritizing being a Popstar” when she just literally didn’t even have the backing/label approval to do so. Hollywood Records main idea of promotion is just playing a song on Disney Channel commercial breaks.

[pnobelysk]

Mar 9, 2022 7:17:56 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Mar 9, 2022 5:46:06 GMT -5 kimberly said:

"Nail Tech" had a great debut, but the song is just not catchy or marketable enough to last long I think. it really doesn't have a memorable hook. the "fam over gram that's my MO" bar is the only part I could see blowing up, but other than that, it's kind of like a 3-minute long verse. I'm not surprised by the lackluster performance. being the white boy of the month on Twitter can only do so much if the song does not have what it takes.

---

regarding Zendaya, people seem to be forgetting that she was gearing up to release a follow-up to her self-titled debut that got scrapped after the underwhelming performance of the lead single "Something New" ft. Chris Brown. (it reached No. 93 on the Hot 100, No. 28 on pop radio, and No. 10 on rhythmic.) she even got signed onto Republic Records for this unreleased sophomore era, and was supposedly working with Timbaland as her producer for the album. 

now I do think Hailee Steinfeld was pushing harder for a music career, but not my much. they both dabbled in music and scored a hit and a half each, before ultimately shifting their focus back to their acting careers.

What are their respective hit and a halves?

I ll give my opinion on their hits but it doesn’t line up with the hit and a half thing.

Zendaya
Moderate hit: replay

Haliee:
Hit: starving
Moderate hit: let me go, love myself
Meh: most girls

[pnobelysk]

Mar 9, 2022 5:46:06 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Mar 9, 2022 3:21:51 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Seems that Nail Tech isn't that big follow up hit for Jack Harlow after all.

"Nail Tech" had a great debut, but the song is just not catchy or marketable enough to last long I think. it really doesn't have a memorable hook. the "fam over gram that's my MO" bar is the only part I could see blowing up, but other than that, it's kind of like a 3-minute long verse. I'm not surprised by the lackluster performance. being the white boy of the month on Twitter can only do so much if the song does not have what it takes.

---

regarding Zendaya, people seem to be forgetting that she was gearing up to release a follow-up to her self-titled debut that got scrapped after the underwhelming performance of the lead single "Something New" ft. Chris Brown. (it reached No. 93 on the Hot 100, No. 28 on pop radio, and No. 10 on rhythmic.) she even got signed onto Republic Records for this unreleased sophomore era, and was supposedly working with Timbaland as her producer for the album. 

now I do think Hailee Steinfeld was pushing harder for a music career, but not my much. they both dabbled in music and scored a hit and a half each, before ultimately shifting their focus back to their acting careers.

I didn’t forget about something new but to me it actually shows me more how much she wasn’t invested in her music. It seemed very forced and not what she wanted, anyone who follows her And what she believes in knows Chris brown is not someone you’d expect to make music with her and there he was. She ended up refusing to release the music video for it and he even begged her too years later and she didn’t budge. With no releases after that I always figured she was over the music industry. I would be too if I had to put out a song with him

[pnobelysk]

It wasn’t until Selena Gomez left Hollywood Records and signed with Interscope for Revival in 2015 that she became a true Pop star and radio hit maker. It wasn’t until Miley Cyrus left Hollywood Records and signed with RCA for Bangerz in 2013 that she became a true Pop star and radio hit maker.

Hailee signed to Republic from the get-go who actually has the primary purpose of pushing someone to Pop Radio specifically and trying to make them become a Pop star.

It’s not about “trying harder” or “prioritizing being a Popstar” when she just literally didn’t even have the backing/label approval to do so. Hollywood Records main idea of promotion is just playing a song on Disney Channel commercial breaks. [/quote]


Selena had 4 top 10s on pop radio, including a number one before revival. This also included 2 additional top 20s

Demi got four top 10 pop hits (a number one as well) on the label including three from the same era

[iHype.]

Mar 9, 2022 9:21:58 GMT -5 pnobelysk said:

Selena had 4 top 10s on pop radio, including a number one before revival. This also included 2 additional top 20s

Demi got four top 10 pop hits (a number one as well) on the label including three from the same era

Selena had 4 Pop top 10s over 5 years of releasing music. She left Hollywood, and then immediately got 4 Pop top 10s (3 of which went #1) in one year following.

Demi’s biggest radio hits were all post Hollywood Records.

It’s not a mere coincidence immediately after leaving Hollywood Records that Selena/Demi/Miley got their biggest radio success and footing as pop stars. 💀

Hollywood Records even when they did land radio hits would still botch the songs releases. This is why most of their radio hits still had very weak Hot 100 peaks too. Give Your Heart a Break didn’t even make top 15 on Hot 100 while #1 on Pop radio. Love You Like A Love Song didn’t even make top 20 despite charting on Hot 100 for nearly a year. All their Pop hits start immediately doing much better in charting generally once they left.

“Something New” also is still credited under Hollywood Records jointly and even “All For Us” which was released in 2019 is credited to Hollywood Records. Thus she is still under some contractual obligations to that label. Mind you… that label is now a complete dying ship at this point. What hits have they had in RECENT years? What artists have they successfully pushed mainstream in the last 5 years?

[gikem]

I really shouldn’t post on this forum after 11pm…

[pnobelysk]

Mar 9, 2022 10:24:31 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Mar 9, 2022 9:21:58 GMT -5 pnobelysk said:

Selena had 4 top 10s on pop radio, including a number one before revival. This also included 2 additional top 20s

Demi got four top 10 pop hits (a number one as well) on the label including three from the same era

Selena had 4 Pop top 10s over 5 years of releasing music. She left Hollywood, and then immediately got 4 Pop top 10s (3 of which went #1) in one year following.

Demi’s biggest radio hits were all post Hollywood Records.

It’s not a mere coincidence immediately after leaving Hollywood Records that Selena/Demi/Miley got their biggest radio success and footing as pop stars. 💀

Hollywood Records even when they did land radio hits would still botch the songs releases. This is why most of their radio hits still had very weak Hot 100 peaks too. Give Your Heart a Break didn’t even make top 15 on Hot 100 while #1 on Pop radio. Love You Like A Love Song didn’t even make top 20 despite charting on Hot 100 for nearly a year. All their Pop hits start immediately doing much better in charting generally once they left.

“Something New” also is still credited under Hollywood Records jointly and even “All For Us” which was released in 2019 is credited to Hollywood Records. Thus she is still under some contractual obligations to that label. Mind you… that label is now a complete dying ship at this point. What hits have they had in RECENT years? What artists have they successfully pushed mainstream in the last 5 years?

To be clear I’m with you that it’s a terrible label. I just didn’t think some of the statements being made were factually accurate.give your heart a break hit number one on pop and was on the chart for 30 weeks. Neon lights and heart attack both went top 5 so no their biggest radio hits weren’t post Hollywood records. It was pretty even.

In my view, Selena made it clear she was a pop star with the coke and get it - slow down - the heart wants what it wants hits. 3 winners in a row without anything in between.


Miley with Hollywood
Party in the USA number one smash
The climb huge hit
See you again successful breakthrough hit

Miley without Hollywood
Wrecking ball huge smash
We can’t stop big hit
And a few moderate performers

Again pretty even

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I mean, both can still be true. Even if the label sucks, it doesn’t mean every project or single won’t perform to its full potential. I’d say the evidence is there that when these artists moved to other labels, their status as celebrities/pop culture figures expanded. That isn’t to say they did poorly before, but they did better after. If Hollywood Records is as closely associated with Disney and Disney imagery as is being implied (I honestly don’t know), that also suggests that the label itself, through its artists, ebbs and flows based on current trends. So it’s possible that back in the early 2010s, there was more demand for “Disneyfied” artists, so the label was label to thrive by association until the trend died down.

[Mayman]

Mar 8, 2022 21:50:31 GMT -5 Gary said:

yeah - being Spiderman's girlfriend probably pays more too

She probably gets paid more than Tom Holland with all of the shows and movies she stars in. But leave it to boomer Gary to suggest that a woman will get money because she's in a relationship with a big male star.

[kimberly]

Mar 9, 2022 12:08:54 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Mar 8, 2022 21:50:31 GMT -5 Gary said:

yeah - being Spiderman's girlfriend probably pays more too

She probably gets paid more than Tom Holland with all of the shows and movies she stars in. But leave it to boomer Gary to suggest that a woman will get money because she's in a relationship with a big male star.

I mean she does play Spiderman's girlfriend in the movies, doesn't she? I'm going to hope that the handsome Marvel paycheck is what Gariana is referring to.

Mar 9, 2022 11:15:32 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I mean, both can still be true. Even if the label sucks, it doesn’t mean every project or single won’t perform to its full potential. I’d say the evidence is there that when these artists moved to other labels, their status as celebrities/pop culture figures expanded. That isn’t to say they did poorly before, but they did better after. If Hollywood Records is as closely associated with Disney and Disney imagery as is being implied (I honestly don’t know), that also suggests that the label itself, through its artists, ebbs and flows based on current trends. So it’s possible that back in the early 2010s, there was more demand for “Disneyfied” artists, so the label was label to thrive by association until the trend died down.

Hollywood Records was founded in the 90's as a subsidiary of Disney Music Group. Their first major mainstream success was Hilary Duff's debut album Metamorphosis. They kind of had a hot streak for a while, where they would get a couple hits and top-selling albums out of their Disney Channel actors.

However, this is currently changing, as other labels are also in the business of scouting talent from Disney. I think Miley Cyrus played a big part in that, successfully breaking out of the "Disneyfied" image and becoming one of the top musical artists globally in 2013-14. These days, artists like Olivia Rodrigo (Geffen/Interscope) and Joshua Bassett (Warner) have directly signed with other labels after gaining traction as actors on Disney Channel, and the likes of Sabrina Carpenter (Island), Selena Gomez (Interscope) and Jonas Brothers (Republic) left Hollywood Records (or in JoBros' case, made their comeback on a different label).

Hollywood Records' current solo artist roster consists of Alejandro Aranda (Scarypoolparty), Jorge Blanco, Sofia Carson, Adam Hambrick, Laine Hardy, Olivia Holt, Bea Miller, TINI, and ZZ Ward. I can maaaaybe name 1 song each from Sofia Carson and Bea Miller, and nothing else from the rest. Their entire business model is going under because Disney Channel is becoming less and less culturally relevant, and even when they hit it big with a star like Olivia Rodrigo, they aren't able to sign them like they used to with all of their 2000's stars. 

[joshtheking]

Mar 9, 2022 12:49:20 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Mar 9, 2022 12:08:54 GMT -5 Mayman said:

She probably gets paid more than Tom Holland with all of the shows and movies she stars in. But leave it to boomer Gary to suggest that a woman will get money because she's in a relationship with a big male star.

I mean she does play Spiderman's girlfriend in the movies, doesn't she? I'm going to hope that the handsome Marvel paycheck is what Gariana is referring to.

Gariana 💀

[Choco]

Hollywood Records is terrible. No wonder promising Disney people like Olivia skip that and go somewhere else.

[degen]

Mar 9, 2022 10:33:13 GMT -5 pnobelysk said:

Mar 9, 2022 10:24:31 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Selena had 4 Pop top 10s over 5 years of releasing music. She left Hollywood, and then immediately got 4 Pop top 10s (3 of which went #1) in one year following.

Demi’s biggest radio hits were all post Hollywood Records.

It’s not a mere coincidence immediately after leaving Hollywood Records that Selena/Demi/Miley got their biggest radio success and footing as pop stars. 💀

Hollywood Records even when they did land radio hits would still botch the songs releases. This is why most of their radio hits still had very weak Hot 100 peaks too. Give Your Heart a Break didn’t even make top 15 on Hot 100 while #1 on Pop radio. Love You Like A Love Song didn’t even make top 20 despite charting on Hot 100 for nearly a year. All their Pop hits start immediately doing much better in charting generally once they left.

“Something New” also is still credited under Hollywood Records jointly and even “All For Us” which was released in 2019 is credited to Hollywood Records. Thus she is still under some contractual obligations to that label. Mind you… that label is now a complete dying ship at this point. What hits have they had in RECENT years? What artists have they successfully pushed mainstream in the last 5 years?

To be clear I’m with you that it’s a terrible label. I just didn’t think some of the statements being made were factually accurate.give your heart a break hit number one on pop and was on the chart for 30 weeks. Neon lights and heart attack both went top 5 so no their biggest radio hits weren’t post Hollywood records. It was pretty even.

In my view, Selena made it clear she was a pop star with the coke and get it - slow down - the heart wants what it wants hits. 3 winners in a row without anything in between.


Miley with Hollywood
Party in the USA number one smash
The climb huge hit
See you again successful breakthrough hit

Miley without Hollywood
Wrecking ball huge smash
We can’t stop big hit
And a few moderate performers

Again pretty even

The circumstances are certainly different. Miley sort of set the footprint for Selena/Demi so her start as a Disney girl/Hollywood records was more drawn out. She had already been in the industry for about 7 years before she even released “Bangers” whereas Gomez and Lovato’s exit out of Disney was more accelerated. What are we even arguing about in here anyway? I never really considered Zendaya a singer in the vein of Miley/Selena/Demi. She is more of an actress who only dipped her toes into music. More like a Vanessa Hudgens.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 9, 2022 2:36:43 GMT -5 Choco said:

Yeah I agree with that last post. Zendaya dropped a Disney project that did very low numbers and saw the writing on the wall so she gave up on the singing. She hasn't done any music not releated to an acting gig in a good while.

Hailee succeeded way more and tried much longer even if she did "just" and EP (the line between EP and album has never been blurrier than it is these days too).

In the end they're both great actresses with a couple good tracks hidden here and there, but I think Hailee really thought she could do the pop star thing while Zendaya was probably doing an album just because all the Disney ladies had to do one.

I agree in general, but to be fair Steinfeld's releases are genuine EPs (she has two, by the way). Don't they each just have like 5 songs? It would be tough to call them albums. I think EPs that are 8-9 songs could be seen as albums.

[wavey.]

Mar 9, 2022 13:15:19 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

Mar 9, 2022 12:49:20 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I mean she does play Spiderman's girlfriend in the movies, doesn't she? I'm going to hope that the handsome Marvel paycheck is what Gariana is referring to.

Gariana 💀

Sksksssk ngl I kiiiied.

Sn: I feel if Zendaya had/have the right people behind her this time, I can see something happening for her. She definitely cemented her acting status with Euphoria.

[El Superdactyl]

Feb 26, 2022 16:29:15 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Feb 26, 2022 8:41:29 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Considering Kodak Black has one of the biggest hits right now, his album is underperforming

Super Gremlin's only successful because of the sample and instrumental

I posted more DJ Earworm What If’s for you to make instrumentals of.

[phieaglesfan712]

Mar 7, 2022 16:27:29 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Mar 7, 2022 16:11:36 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

WDTAB being ahead of abcdefu and Super Gremlin.

11.5 million more streams than the radio fueled heat waves, I know that's right.

What do you mean radio fueled Heat Waves? It’s the current #1 on Spotify, and has been putting those numbers on their week in and week out for over a year now. Despite that, it fell off kWorb’s radio chart for a time during the summer. This is the furthest thing from radio fueled.

[Choco]

Radio fueled Heat Waves just broke 1.3 billion spotify streams and entered the top 100 all time most streamed songs.

[fridayteenage]

Mar 11, 2022 11:57:00 GMT -5 Choco said:

Radio fueled Heat Wave

I mean it's the first in the streaming era to have failed to crack the top 3 in streaming or sales upon hitting #1.
And 2006-2012 there were no #1s that failed to crack the sales top 3.

You can choose to believe that is meaningless, but that is your choice.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 11, 2022 11:23:10 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Mar 7, 2022 16:27:29 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

11.5 million more streams than the radio fueled heat waves, I know that's right.

What do you mean radio fueled Heat Waves? It’s the current #1 on Spotify, and has been putting those numbers on their week in and week out for over a year now. Despite that, it fell off kWorb’s radio chart for a time during the summer. This is the furthest thing from radio fueled.

I don't know why you keep only looking at Spotify. "Heat Waves" is #5 in overall streaming. Personally I wouldn't quite call it radio-fueled because it does have solid streaming, but radio is carrying it more than streaming so I can see someone seeing it a different way.