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Post by wjr15 on Jun 19, 2024 10:14:01 GMT -5
Ugh Katy, how could she have thought assembling a team like that was a good idea?! Max Martin, yes. The rest, no.
Edit: I love Doja Cat but I’d rather Katy avoid any association with Dr Luke.
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Post by spiritboy on Jun 19, 2024 10:16:04 GMT -5
Would GP care that she worked with Luke if the songs are fire?
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 19, 2024 10:22:56 GMT -5
Would GP care that she worked with Luke if the songs are fire? I could see it going either way. He’s gotten a handful of more hits this decade from Doja Cat, Latto, Nicki Minaj, Kim Petras, and Lil Durk. But I feel like people are always looking for something to attack Katy for and she’s making it way too easy this time. Like I said, it could go either way but the material would have to be top notch to shield the criticism.
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Post by Choco on Jun 19, 2024 10:36:45 GMT -5
Doja herself admitted she was contractually obligated and that Luke gets a lot of credits for songs he didn't actually do. She's not on the same boat as Kim (who adores Luke) or Katy, Nicki, etc... who willingly work with him.
If the song is absolute fire and she was on a better commercial standing nobody would care. But the song so far sounds ass (we'll see abput that) and she needs good press after so many flops.
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Post by Caviar on Jun 19, 2024 10:39:17 GMT -5
Hopefully Bonnie is involved.
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Post by PerPlexied on Jun 19, 2024 12:41:57 GMT -5
Instances like this baffle me. Multiple people heard this song, including the snippet she put on TikTok, and thought THIS IS THE COMEBACK SINGLE.
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Post by dbhmr on Jun 19, 2024 12:47:37 GMT -5
I think this is DOA at this point.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 19, 2024 13:09:41 GMT -5
Feel like she can't win with the general public. She was quick to drop Dr. Luke when all the allegations came out, and Witness and Smile tanked, and lately everyone is begging her to "save pop music" with the resurgence of Teenage Dream, but when she uses the main producer that gave her that signature sound she gets such a push back. She really can't win at this point.
That being said, I hope she's coming back bigger than with whatever that snippet she used on Tik Tok, as that does nothing for me. I feel like this is her last opportunity to be able to make a comeback, as leading up to this, I thought the Katy Perry ship had long sailed away, until she started getting some momentum on Tik Tok with her old work. If she wants any chance to be able to have an ounce of success like she used to have, this is likely her last shot.
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Jun 19, 2024 13:14:50 GMT -5
Goodness gracious! The negativity! It's like a downer in this mf, and we haven't heard one full song!🤯
I feel this era/thread is going to very interesting the next few weeks/months🤣🤣
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Post by Choco on Jun 19, 2024 13:31:48 GMT -5
Eh. Witness didn't flop because it had no Luke. General audiences do not care about producer credits like that. The lead opened at #4. The album opened well too. Legitimately people just didn't like what she served.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 19, 2024 13:57:42 GMT -5
I mean, I kinda assumed she would be charging back to Dr Luke as soon as it was remotely acceptable to do so. I am kinda surprised it didn't happen earlier. I've long learned not to expect much from any moral stance any celebrity makes, even my favs lol. It's just not the career you can have and still hold ethical or moral values, for the most part. Everyone is problematic somehow. I don't think the general public cares at all.
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Post by Caviar on Jun 19, 2024 13:58:00 GMT -5
Please. They hated the hair and the fact she wasn't working with Dr. Luke for both albums. Feel free to base your opinions on a 10 second snippet but the negativity around a KP release is nauseating at this point.
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Jun 19, 2024 14:04:03 GMT -5
Everyone is problematic somehow. Bingo. That's why I don't even trip.
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 19, 2024 14:18:07 GMT -5
Goodness gracious! The negativity! It's like a downer in this mf, and we haven't heard one full song!🤯 I feel this era/thread is going to very interesting the next few weeks/months🤣🤣 Katy threads are always interesting. That’s a guarantee lol I’m still hoping for everything to work out in the end. What’s a Katy era without some messiness? I’ve come to expect it haha
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Post by schnetzka on Jun 19, 2024 14:26:47 GMT -5
Katy is just the next victim on the Hate Train that's been circling musicians this past year. We had Jennifer Lopez, Justin Timberlake (although his arrest isn't helping things), and now Katy. There must be something in the water because I don't remember people jumping from artist to artist to artist like this.
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 19, 2024 14:29:04 GMT -5
Katy is just the next victim on the Hate Train that's been circling musicians this past year. We had Jennifer Lopez, Justin Timberlake (although his arrest isn't helping things), and now Katy. There must be something in the water because I don't remember people jumping from artist to artist to artist like this. Social media, stan culture, cancel culture, every “news” source using clickbait for likes and engagement. As long as the industry feeds into it, it’s going to get worse over time.
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Post by clsvltn on Jun 19, 2024 14:46:30 GMT -5
I guess I am confused with the whole Dr. Luke thing. I remember it happening but the last I noticed was that he and Kesha settled and had wished each other well ? And then also wasn't there some quote about kesha not quite remembering what had happened or something? I am not trying to not believe her or say she is lying either, I just feel like the issues were resolved and we don't really know all the "truth" - but regardless, the general population probably has no idea who Dr Luke even is to begin with let alone know there is any negative factors to him
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 19, 2024 15:56:05 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Katy's personal narrative after Witness was how she was super competitive and was humbled and realized that commercial success isn't everything, allowing her to have a new perspective on things only for her to seemingly be back to chasing charts again with her very next album. Hopefully she isn't as emotionally attached to the idea of being on top as if the TikTok clip is any indication, we're gonna need something stronger to do that.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jun 19, 2024 17:14:23 GMT -5
Not surprised tbh, I knew her collab with Dr was coming after he and his wife attended Katy's show last year. If they are good, the songs will be on my playlists for sure, just like Doja's were, but ngl, I'm disappointed...really wanted everything to be PERFECT, especially coming from that MESS of a Witness era, and covid+pregnant Smile era. And yes, Dr was a huge part of the TD era (co-produced 7/8 top 10s), but Max Martin would've been enough.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jun 19, 2024 17:14:25 GMT -5
LOL Katy will probably get cancelled but the album will be hot. I can feel it deep inside.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jun 19, 2024 17:57:32 GMT -5
in other news, Katy's biggest songs in the UK:
1.ROAR 2.8M 2.FIREWORK 2.2M 3.DARK HORSE 1.7M 4.FEELS 1.6M 5.CALIFORNIA GURLS 1.6M 6.I KISSED A GIRL 1.6M 7.HOT N COLD 1.5M 8.LAST FRIDAY NIGHT 1.4M 9.TEENAGE DREAM 1.4M 10.THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY 1.2M
11.E.T. 12.CHAINED TO THE RHYTHM 13.PART OF ME 14.STARSTRUKK 15.IF WE EVER MEET AGAIN 16.NEVER REALLY OVER 17.SWISH SWISH 18.WIDE AWAKE 19.UNCONDITIONALLY 20.COZY LITTLE CHRISTMAS
multi-platinum songs (at least 1.2M) platinum (600k) gold (400k) the whole article + #21-40
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Post by dbhmr on Jun 19, 2024 17:59:18 GMT -5
I laughed
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jun 19, 2024 18:10:28 GMT -5
ATE DOWN……WHEW MAMA That snippet on tiktok is literally embarrassing and I hope that’s not real or some joke. I’ve heard the streets say that the sound is indeed AI and not anything like what we’ll actually get. I really hope that turns out to actually be the case as Katy is capable of FAR better. I’m also not pleased to see her reunite with #That man, Max alone would’ve been just fine. While the general public is not at all likely to care about the doctor being on this album, especially if the music is good, it’s not gonna do her any favors on social media with stan Twitter already looking for any reason to tear her down. I’m gonna need this song and album to SMASH because Katy deserves a comeback (and we all know some of stan Twitter’s users don’t have any real morals that they strictly adhere to anyways; if the song is a serve they’ll sweep the doctor under the rug somehow—everything is performative on that app). That was my first thought seeing this photoshoot and the Tiktok she’d posted in that outfit. I was STUNNED. Goodness gracious! The negativity! It's like a downer in this mf, and we haven't heard one full song!🤯 I feel this era/thread is going to very interesting the next few weeks/months🤣🤣 And that’s why I posted in here, so I can have front row tickets to the entertainment!!
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Post by nickangel on Jun 19, 2024 18:46:40 GMT -5
Would GP care that she worked with Luke if the songs are fire? In a way, I do think it can affect the performance of the song. I've seen a lot of virals criticizing her. Not to mention that the song title doesn't help at all.
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Post by MissAmericana on Jun 19, 2024 20:20:47 GMT -5
I don’t think the backlash would be as severe if she’d chosen a good song as the lead, but going for a female empowerment anthem produced by an accused rapist is so deeply ironic that there’s no chance in hell she’s getting away with it.
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Post by Caviar on Jun 19, 2024 21:14:53 GMT -5
He wasn’t convicted of anything. In fact the allegations against him were thrown out. WHERE WAS THIS ENERGY WITH Doja, Kim Petras, Nicki, and Lik Durk? We have no idea how involved he was with this single of at all.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 19, 2024 21:47:17 GMT -5
Whether you think Luke is guilty/not guilty or you're totally indifferent to the situation, it doesn't matter. Her working with him is a terrible idea and anybody with a single braincell in their head could see this backlash coming. Social media and the press were always gonna jump on this, she was literally involved in the trial, lol. Why she and her team were dumb enough to step on that landmine is beyond me, it really is mind-boggling. Especially for someone trying to make a comeback.
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Post by Caviar on Jun 19, 2024 22:50:20 GMT -5
Katy never accused him of anything of wrong doing and had no reason to stop working with him. He’s worked with other artists and no one said a damn thing about it.
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Post by neogale on Jun 19, 2024 23:06:38 GMT -5
This whole situation and discourse has already soured my expections for her new music, and I'm saying this as a KatyCat. It seems like everybody were already aiming their guns at her and were just waiting for the first mistep. Welp...
While I'm also dissapointed for the news, it seems crazy to me how messy this has turned. Being accused guilty by association is a crazy thing to cancel someone for, in my opinion.
Hopefully, the song will be a bop and a success. And if not, at least we know now that Max Martin is also involved in the album, and his songs are more likely to be good.
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Post by Music Fan on Jun 20, 2024 0:16:36 GMT -5
Would GP care that she worked with Luke if the songs are fire? In a way, I do think it can affect the performance of the song. I've seen a lot of virals criticizing her. Not to mention that the song title doesn't help at all. The general public will not care. You have the vocal few on Twitter, and a few people on TikTok that have wide reach. But most people don't ever even know who produces, writes, etc. a song.
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