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Post by pcg4 on Jun 20, 2024 2:07:54 GMT -5
Y‘all are exaggerating the effect that that man (who btw is legally not guilty) can have in her comeback. If the songs are good, no one will care. That said, the snippet sounded not promising but we should wait until the song drops cause it could be a bridge like the one in IKAG or something more paused
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Post by dbhmr on Jun 20, 2024 7:44:42 GMT -5
Katy never accused him of anything of wrong doing and had no reason to stop working with him. He’s worked with other artists and no one said a damn thing about it. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Kim Petras thread on social media that doesn’t mention “Free Kesha,” and she has had to address it in multiple interviews. Doja had to say she was contractually obligated to work with him. Regardless, could you not see this reaction coming? Couldn’t she? You say she had no reason to stop working with him…but she did, for what, two entire albums? To try and stage a comeback, one that has included a slow but noticeable build of goodwill on social media, and begin by enlisting someone that will instantly incinerate all that goodwill—a most predictable response—is nothing short of baffling. And there’s just…no way you don’t see that, even if you disagree with the merit of it.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 20, 2024 8:18:27 GMT -5
I don't understand Katy's steadfast need to work with Dr. Luke at all personally. I've been amped for this release, but my expectations are dwindling with the uninspired, dated, robotic clip she featured on Instagram and now her working with Dr. Luke....again. I can't even blame people for judging her negatively for this as it really appears as if she is willing to put her principles, morals, and integrity aside for a mere chance to recapture previous commercial success, with an accused rapist no less. I mean this from a woman who very vocally and publicly championed Hillary Clinton's run for presidency on the heels of breaking boundaries for women across America, who slammed Taylor Swift publicly for her faux feminism, whose lead single is titled "Woman's World" and she's marching into this era hand in hand with a very publicly shamed male sex offender. There's no way she isn't aware of the potential backlash and even if she weren't initially there's no way in hell her team didn't clue her in on the inevitability. It's such a baffling decision. I guess when I think about it it's not surprising, given her questionable personal decisions in the past, but given her desire for commerical domination, it's a head-scratcher. Gives me the same vibes of Taylor choosing to work with David O. Russell a few years ago. :/
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 20, 2024 9:00:34 GMT -5
Maybe the early announcement is cuz of the anticipation of the backlash regarding Dr. Luke.
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Post by surfy on Jun 20, 2024 11:27:35 GMT -5
He wasn’t convicted of anything. In fact the allegations against him were thrown out. WHERE WAS THIS ENERGY WITH Doja, Kim Petras, Nicki, and Lik Durk? We have no idea how involved he was with this single of at all. not to derail the thread but Kim literally has been torn down at every turn of her career for working with Luke.
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Post by lchaim on Jun 20, 2024 11:50:41 GMT -5
Would GP care that she worked with Luke if the songs are fire? Likely not, but this new single snippet and the LQ listening party leak suggest it’s about to be her worst lead single by a mile. Gen Z has no interest in fluffy empowerment anthems.
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Post by austin on Jun 20, 2024 12:25:14 GMT -5
Dr.Luke aside, the larger issue for her is the lyrics in the clip are LOL-funny. They sound like ChatGPT.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 20, 2024 12:32:50 GMT -5
Katy never accused him of anything of wrong doing and had no reason to stop working with him. He’s worked with other artists and no one said a damn thing about it. People have talked about it. Every time. Some have more leeway due to how they respond to it, or how delicate their career is and whether they can withstand any pushback or controversy. But you can’t say no one has said anything.
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 20, 2024 13:15:18 GMT -5
And at least Doja has talked about in public, something that Katy hasn't done yet... It's a topic she cannot avoid, which is why it's crazy that she chose him to produce music for KP6.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 20, 2024 13:16:08 GMT -5
I still think this was the start of her downfall
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Post by avamaxstan on Jun 20, 2024 13:18:26 GMT -5
Katy never accused him of anything of wrong doing and had no reason to stop working with him. He’s worked with other artists and no one said a damn thing about it. The only way someone could think this is true is if they haven’t been online for the last half decade.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 20, 2024 13:43:49 GMT -5
Katy just posted an Instagram story with Saweetie having her makeup done EDIT: She also posted it on her feed. The Woman's World teaser video has 955K likes, while the announcement post has 1.1M. The top comments on the teaser video are NOT good. http://instagram.com/p/C8cpMAPPT1i
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 20, 2024 14:33:17 GMT -5
Katy never accused him of anything of wrong doing and had no reason to stop working with him. He’s worked with other artists and no one said a damn thing about it. The only way someone could think this is true is if they haven’t been online for the last half decade. I mean, I'm old now and much, much, much less up on what is happening, but even I saw the trashing that happened for every artist that has worked with Dr. Luke recently, especially Kim where some of her core audience basically rejected her afterward. I even remember Flo Rida being bashed for working with him after the fact and male artists usually are NOT held to the same standards as female. I do think they probably announced as soon as possible so the outrage would die down before releasing the song. People are fickle and can't stay mad for 2+ weeks lol.
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Post by james518 on Jun 20, 2024 17:29:48 GMT -5
^^ I guess I’m a bit confused by the Kim Petras comment because in my opinion, she’s bigger than she’s ever been? What metric are you using to say she lost core audience?
I’m not being argumentative, I swear, I just truly have never seen any backlash for Kim especially when it comes to the gay community.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 20, 2024 17:57:17 GMT -5
^^ I guess I’m a bit confused by the Kim Petras comment because in my opinion, she’s bigger than she’s ever been? What metric are you using to say she lost core audience? I’m not being argumentative, I swear, I just truly have never seen any backlash for Kim especially when it comes to the gay community. There was definitely backlash circulating social media and articles written if you followed her thread here you would have seen it as people were posting about it. I mean, it's not gonna be as ubiquitous as a bigger artist, but relative to her fame, it was noticeable for sure. Here is one post for reference: The EP is causing some controversy in different circles around the internet. I see people call it "pandering to the lowest common denominator gay" and are criticizing an EP about sexually exploiting women being produced by Dr. Luke.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jun 20, 2024 18:52:30 GMT -5
I keep waiting for an "insider" or someone on her team to deny the Ava Max leftover/Dr. Luke involvement rumors but none of that is happening...so it must really be true. Titling such a collaboration "Woman's World" with her brand of cliche, stale lyrics as heard in her post is a downright laughable combination of missteps. Clearly she wants a shot at recapturing the success of her heyday, but there's really no one else she can collaborate with to create something fresh? She must truly be committed to the cause and her relationship with him. Whatever ends up happening, it sure is entertaining to watch!
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Post by james518 on Jun 20, 2024 19:13:11 GMT -5
^^ I guess I’m a bit confused by the Kim Petras comment because in my opinion, she’s bigger than she’s ever been? What metric are you using to say she lost core audience? I’m not being argumentative, I swear, I just truly have never seen any backlash for Kim especially when it comes to the gay community. There was definitely backlash circulating social media and articles written if you followed her thread here you would have seen it as people were posting about it. I mean, it's not gonna be as ubiquitous as a bigger artist, but relative to her fame, it was noticeable for sure. Here is one post for reference: The EP is causing some controversy in different circles around the internet. I see people call it "pandering to the lowest common denominator gay" and are criticizing an EP about sexually exploiting women being produced by Dr. Luke. Ahh, thank you! Her thread on here definitely would’ve been a good place to start 🫠 I just hadn’t seen her backlash on Twitter and combined with her tour being successful and the Sam Smith collaboration, I was unsure where it was coming from. But as said, this makes sense, and I was just hoping for another perspective!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 20, 2024 20:41:09 GMT -5
^^ I guess I’m a bit confused by the Kim Petras comment because in my opinion, she’s bigger than she’s ever been? What metric are you using to say she lost core audience? I’m not being argumentative, I swear, I just truly have never seen any backlash for Kim especially when it comes to the gay community. I am mostly speaking from my own little gay community so I have no idea if Kim is bigger than ever or not, to be fair, so I may be wrong. In my gay circle, Kim was biggest during Unholy and I kind of expected her to be THE next breakout star, but then she went to bat for Dr. Luke (who she had worked with before, but claimed it was just contractual?) and then also made a few other strange choices (like, everyone I knew was confused why she collabed with Nicki Minaj, especially when Nicki was in her defending convicted rapists era) which kind of killed her momentum. Switching gears back to Katy, I don't know why people are upset this may be an Ava Max leftover. Ava Max makes some awesomely catchy songs. Like, the chorus is going to be amazing lol.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 20, 2024 22:00:48 GMT -5
Clearly she wants a shot at recapturing the success of her heyday, but there's really no one else she can collaborate with to create something fresh? Like Bonnie McKee was literally right there.
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 21, 2024 0:40:50 GMT -5
I am just looking at Kim Petras' chart success and discography and what does she even have besides Unholy (which wasn't even produced by Dr. Puke)? The idea of Katy running back to HIM because Kim Petras has become successful is so bizarre. It seems to me that the Doctor is using Katy to return more than other way around.
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Post by austin on Jun 21, 2024 6:05:34 GMT -5
I keep waiting for an "insider" or someone on her team to deny the Ava Max leftover/Dr. Luke involvement rumors but none of that is happening...so it must really be true. Kind of tough to deny an exclusive Rolling Stone article they paid for to announce the collab. It’s real lol
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Post by Choco on Jun 21, 2024 9:40:47 GMT -5
I am just looking at Kim Petras' chart success and discography and what does she even have besides Unholy (which wasn't even produced by Dr. Puke)? The idea of Katy running back to HIM because Kim Petras has become successful is so bizarre. It seems to me that the Doctor is using Katy to return more than other way around. It's gonna be mutually NOT beneficial because Katy is no longer a surefire hitmaker. Luke was better off leeching off of rising stars, and the public is much more lenient on those that actually have contractual obligations to him (particularly since trying to get rid of those backfired massively for Kesha and honestly her career will never recover the way Luke's has). Katy was already facing an uphill battle because her last bonafide undeniable hit was 10 years ago and ever since it's been flops, small sparks of hope here and there (NRO and HIH, relatively speaking) and nothing more. I'm very confused at a lot of the choices she and her team made but honestly fascinated by it and eagerly awaiting the full song and first week numbers because it's gonna be quite interesting. Also one more reason why the Lady Gaga career path vs Katy's is so interesting. At one point on the same level, at one point Katy demolished Gaga but then ever since Gaga has made mostly smart choices while Katy just doesn't.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 21, 2024 17:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by bat1990 on Jun 21, 2024 18:34:15 GMT -5
OMG - a t-shirt with her partner as Legolas in the background
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 21, 2024 18:56:52 GMT -5
That new teaser is MUCH better. I hope that first teaser gets re recorded or elevated, but that chorus is more in line what I think the fans want.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 21, 2024 19:33:40 GMT -5
I still think this was the start of her downfall Ah, I remember that and the questionable Obama remark reaaaally kicking off the downfall era for her quite nicely. lol Still not feeling "Woman's World", even from the new clip. It doesn't feel fresh or youthful enough to hit really big commercially tbh. It sounds dated and generic. Like I could easily imagine Cher or Madonna singing this.
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Post by kmbgs on Jun 21, 2024 20:00:08 GMT -5
I feel like she's putting out different AI songs with the actual lyrics - like she actually is pretty smart to do that tbh. This is definitely not the same song as the first clip, but the lyrics remain the same.
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Post by Choco on Jun 21, 2024 23:02:27 GMT -5
New snippet sounds much better.
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Post by million on Jun 22, 2024 12:20:20 GMT -5
After everything Kesha has been through... Just disgusting.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 23, 2024 5:50:12 GMT -5
It seems to me that the Doctor is using Katy to return more than other way around. Dr Luke has been far more successful in music than Katy has as of late (hits with Doja Cat, Latto, Nicki, etc), so that doesn't make any sense; what is Dr Luke returning from exactly?
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