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Post by ephelia on May 23, 2022 13:32:24 GMT -5
The problem is we’re now getting sub-300 point #1’s even during the big weeks. I hate to see how low the #1 goes to when all this activity calms down again. I get that all the metrics are on the decline, with sales dead and radio near all-time low numbers, but the multiplier needs to be lowered to account for this. There is no reason why WDTAB and Heat Waves 200-point weeks at #1 should count for more points on the all-time chart than OTR’s 1000-point week at #1. The multipliers for the all-time list are set purely on chart turnover in different eras - not strength of real points. That's what you get with an inverse point system. A song that is number one is the biggest that week in that week's environment, which is what the GOAT list tries to capture.
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 23, 2022 13:33:55 GMT -5
Uptown Funk went 5-3-3-2 before going to #1. Stalling at number nine though not a good sign for a hit this BIG Assuming all 5 songs which debuted in the top 10 this week leave next week, with one song off Harry's album debuting next week, About Damn Time could rise to #5.
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Post by rimetm on May 23, 2022 13:34:03 GMT -5
Basically, HITS underreported a lot of the Tier 1 numbers this week. Jack was 2m+ short, and the Kendrick songs were off to varying degrees, most notably Silent Hill.
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Post by Gary on May 23, 2022 13:36:26 GMT -5
Stalling at number nine though not a good sign for a hit this BIG Assuming all 5 songs which debuted in the top 10 this week leave next week, with one song off Harry's album debuting next week, About Damn Time could rise to #5. Sure but for an Uptown Funk level smash. The Kendrick Lamar release shouldn’t matter at this point.
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Post by Choco on May 23, 2022 13:39:47 GMT -5
Lizzo will take the top 5 hit gladly.
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Post by Enigma. on May 23, 2022 13:41:27 GMT -5
About Damn Time will reach at least #2 but Harry and BTS will keep it from #1*
*Unless there will be a remix which there will most likely be.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 23, 2022 13:53:37 GMT -5
The problem is we’re now getting sub-300 point #1’s even during the big weeks. I hate to see how low the #1 goes to when all this activity calms down again. I get that all the metrics are on the decline, with sales dead and radio near all-time low numbers, but the multiplier needs to be lowered to account for this. There is no reason why WDTAB and Heat Waves 200-point weeks at #1 should count for more points on the all-time chart than OTR’s 1000-point week at #1. The multipliers for the all-time list are set purely on chart turnover in different eras - not strength of real points. That's what you get with an inverse point system. A song that is number one is the biggest that week in that week's environment, which is what the GOAT list tries to capture. Even then, there really isn’t any good reason why the 2019 multiplier is lower than the post-UGC multiplier. Last time I checked, chart runs aren’t shorter now than in 2019. Heck, SYT and Levitating floated around the 16-25 range for 4 months post-Christmas.
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Post by kimberly on May 23, 2022 13:56:46 GMT -5
Kendrick's performance reminded me of J. Cole's a lot, so I went to check, and lo and behold, they did this almost exactly 1 year apart. 🤯 "N95" should have been #2.
Chart dated May 29, 2021:
J. Cole debuts 4 songs in the Top 10, at #2, #5, #7 & #8.
Chart Dated May 28, 2022:
Kendrick Lamar debuts 4 songs in the Top 10, at #3, #5, #7 & #8.
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Post by Gary on May 23, 2022 14:56:17 GMT -5
Kendrick Lamar Charts All 18 Songs From ‘Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers’ on Billboard Hot 100 "N95" leads four tracks from the set in the Hot 100's top 10.
By Xander Zellner
05/23/2022
Kendrick Lamar charts all 18 songs from his new album Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers on the Billboard Hot 100 (dated May 28).
The set blasts in at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 with 295,500 equivalent album units earned, according to Luminate – the biggest weekly total for an album this year. The LP is Lamar’s fourth No. 1 on the chart, following 2015’s To Pimp a Butterfly, 2016’s untitled unmastered. and 2017’s DAMN.
“N95” leads Lamar’s Hot 100 haul, as it debuts at No. 3 with 37.2 million streams, 942,000 airplay audience impressions and 2,300 sold in the May 13-19 tracking week. Its streaming sum marks the fifth-largest weekly total tallied in 2022, after the opening frames for Jack Harlow’s “First Class” (54.6 million, April 23), Harry Styles’ “As It Was” (43.8 million, April 16) and Future’s “Wait for U,” featuring Drake and Tems (40.2 million; May 14, as well as the sixth week on the Hot 100, and second week at No. 1, for “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” from Encanto (37.6 million; Feb. 12).
Here’s a recap of Lamar’s 19 entries on the latest Hot 100. All are debuts except for stand-along single “The Heart Part 5,” which logs its second week on the list.
Hot 100 Rank, Title:
No. 3, “N95” No. 5, “Die Hard,” with Blxst & Amanda Reifer No. 7, “Silent Hill,” with Kodak Black No. 8, “United in Grief” No. 11, “Father Time,” feat. Sampha No. 13, “Rich Spirit” No. 16, “We Cry Together,” with Taylour Paige No. 19, “Worldwide Steppers” No. 20, “Count Me Out” No. 22, “Purple Hearts,” with Summer Walker & Ghostface Killah No. 23, “Savior,” with Baby Keem & Sam Dew No. 33, “Rich (Interlude)” No. 40, “Mr. Morale,” with Tanna Leone No. 41, “Crown” No. 47, “Auntie Diaries” No. 51, “Savior (Interlude)” No. 55, “Mirror” No. 59, “Mother I Sober,” feat. Beth Gibbons No. 77, “The Heart Part 5” (down from its No. 15 debut) Over the Hot 100’s 63-year history, Lamar lands the eighth week in which an act has charted nine or more titles in the top 20 simultaneously, and the first occurrence this year. It’s the most since Drake charted a one-week record 14 on the Sept. 18, 2021-dated Hot 100, concurrent with the debut of his album Certified Lover Boy. Drake also charted 12 songs in the July 14, 2018, chart’s top 20, while Olivia Rodrigo (June 5, 2021), J. Cole (May 29, 2021), Juice WRLD (July 25, 2020) and Post Malone (Sept. 21, 2019, May 12, 2018) have each charted nine at a time.
Even rarer, Lamar is just the third artist to chart as many as 13 songs in the Hot 100’s top 40 in a week. Drake charted 21 on both the Sept. 18, 2021, and July 14, 2018, surveys; Post Malone boasted 14 on the Sept. 21, 2019, and May 12, 2018, rankings; and Lil Uzi Vert notched 13 on the March 21, 2020, chart.
Lamar has now charted 69 career Hot 100 entries, including two No. 1s, 12 top 10s and 40 top 40 hits.
Meanwhile, Amanda Reifer, Taylour Paige, Sam Dew, Tanna Leone all make their first appearances on the Hot 100, as does Beth Gibbons as a soloist; the band Portishead, which Gibbons co-founded in 1991, took “Sour Times (Nobody Loves Me)” to No. 53 in 1995. The hit also rose to No. 5 on Alternative Airplay that year.
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Post by badrobot on May 23, 2022 14:56:44 GMT -5
As It Was and First Class are having an almost JLo "I'm Real"/Alicia Keys "Fallin"-like trading of the #1 spot (albeit with Future thrown in for one of those weeks).
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Post by fridayteenage on May 23, 2022 15:05:51 GMT -5
Since ugc ended, weeks topping streaming at 30 mil+
good 4 u 7 all i want for christmas is you 7 (3 weeks/4 weeks) we don't talk about bruno 5 stay 5 wap 4 (more w/ugc) drivers license 4 rapstar 3 way 2 sexy 3 easy on me 3 montero 2 wait for u 2 first class 2
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 23, 2022 15:10:45 GMT -5
As It Was and First Class are having an almost JLo "I'm Real"/Alicia Keys "Fallin"-like trading of the #1 spot (albeit with Future thrown in for one of those weeks). Maybe a better comparison: Cheerleader and CFMF trading weeks at #1, interrupted by one week at #1 by WDYM in late summer 2015.
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Post by 85la on May 23, 2022 15:24:57 GMT -5
Since ugc ended, weeks topping streaming at 30 mil+ good 4 u 7 all i want for christmas is you 7 (3 weeks/4 weeks) we don't talk about bruno 5 stay 5 wap 4 (more w/ugc) drivers license 4 rapstar 3 way 2 sexy 3 easy on me 3 montero 2 wait for u 2 first class 2 I wonder what the numbers were like before, for comparison, and when exactly UGC ended? It seems like the removal of UGC, along with some natural shifts towards more catalog songs, has vastly reduced the streaming numbers for current hits, by like more than 50%. I remember the #1 streamers pre-UGC removal were routinely pulling in at least 60-70 million streams a week, even a few years ago. So far this year, I don't think a single song has even hit that mark? That just seems wrong in a way.
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Post by Groovy on May 23, 2022 15:33:19 GMT -5
Since ugc ended, weeks topping streaming at 30 mil+ good 4 u 7 all i want for christmas is you 7 (3 weeks/4 weeks) we don't talk about bruno 5 stay 5 wap 4 (more w/ugc) drivers license 4 rapstar 3 way 2 sexy 3 easy on me 3 montero 2 wait for u 2 first class 2 I wonder what the numbers were like before, for comparison, and when exactly UGC ended? It seems like the removal of UGC, along with some natural shifts towards more catalog songs, has vastly reduced the streaming numbers for current hits, by like more than 50%. I remember the #1 streamers pre-UGC removal were routinely pulling in at least 60-70 million streams a week, even a few years ago. So far this year, I don't think a single song has even hit that mark? That just seems wrong in a way. I'm pretty sure it ended sometime in early 2020
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Post by rimetm on May 23, 2022 15:41:55 GMT -5
The removal of UGC occurred in 2 phases. Phase 1 was on the January 18, 2020 date, which didn't cut numbers that harshly except for songs that got viral as clips. Phase 2 was on the September 19, 2020 chart, and while what the staff said about it not affecting ranks drastically has mostly held true (with the possible exception of songs strongly benefitting from YouTube), the cut to quantities across the board was very noticeable.
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Post by 85la on May 23, 2022 15:59:11 GMT -5
The removal of UGC occurred in 2 phases. Phase 1 was on the January 18, 2020 date, which didn't cut numbers that harshly except for songs that got viral as clips. Phase 2 was on the September 19, 2020 chart, and while what the staff said about it not affecting ranks drastically has mostly held true (with the possible exception of songs strongly benefitting from YouTube), the cut to quantities across the board was very noticeable. Interesting, I agree that the first phase of removing "non-song UGC" should've taken place, but not the second phase of removing "song-UGC"! It just removed so many streams that probably reflected a legitimate way people were consuming music and reflected what was popular. I wonder what the reasoning was of removing the "song-UGC," especially since they did "prominently feature the song for an extended length of time"? Was it because it was too hard to track, or not verifiable? And I find their claim hard to believe that this change didn't affect chart ranks. With streaming numbers cut down by half, it seems it would have drastically done so, at least for a good number of songs.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 18:01:41 GMT -5
"Lamar has now charted 69 career Hot 100 entries, including two No. 1s, 12 top 10s and 40 top 40 hits." 40 top 40 hits ... what hits??? ¤0 top 40 hits. album tracks and interludes... The most nobody even remembers, i almost forgot one artist´s name with similar "hits history", oh yeah J Cole or was it Jay Cole, who cares ... he debuted 4 songs in top 10, so he must ne a legend I guess...
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 23, 2022 18:24:36 GMT -5
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 23, 2022 18:32:38 GMT -5
"Lamar has now charted 69 career Hot 100 entries, including two No. 1s, 12 top 10s and 40 top 40 hits." 40 top 40 hits ... what hits??? ¤0 top 40 hits. album tracks and interludes... The most nobody even remembers, i almost forgot one artist´s name with similar "hits history", oh yeah J Cole or was it Jay Cole, who cares ... he debuted 4 songs in top 10, so he must ne a legend I guess... One of his #1’s was HUMBLE, and this was not a fluke either. To get that #1, it had to beat two of the biggest hits in the streaming era, in Shape of You and Despacito. And HUMBLE wasn’t a one-week wonder either, it was 2-3 the two weeks before the week at #1, and 3-4 the two weeks after.
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Post by kindofbiased on May 23, 2022 18:52:49 GMT -5
Are we really gonn start arguing whether or not Kendrick Fucking Lamar is a legend??? He is. End of discussion
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Post by Gary on May 23, 2022 18:55:54 GMT -5
Of the 69 "hits", only about a third made it to double digit chart weeks
Swimming Pools (Drank), Kendrick Lamar Poetic Justice, Kendrick Lamar Featuring Drake F**kin Problems, A$AP Rocky Featuring Drake, 2 Chainz & Kendrick Lamar Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe, Kendrick Lamar Give It 2 U, Robin Thicke Featuring Kendrick Lamar i, Kendrick Lamar King Kunta, Kendrick Lamar Bad Blood, Taylor Swift Featuring Kendrick Lamar Alright, Kendrick Lamar The Greatest, Sia Featuring Kendrick Lamar Don't Wanna Know, Maroon 5 Featuring Kendrick Lamar Humble., Kendrick Lamar DNA., Kendrick Lamar Love., Kendrick Lamar Featuring Zacari Loyalty., Kendrick Lamar Featuring Rihanna Element., Kendrick Lamar All The Stars, Kendrick Lamar & SZA King's Dead, Jay Rock, Kendrick Lamar, Future & James Blake New Freezer, Rich The Kid Featuring Kendrick Lamar Pray For Me, The Weeknd & Kendrick Lamar Family Ties, Baby Keem & Kendrick Lamar
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Post by mms82 on May 23, 2022 18:56:49 GMT -5
Are we really gonn start arguing whether or not Kendrick f**king Lamar is a legend??? He is. End of discussion He’s a legend- doesn’t mean he’s a Hot 100 Legend.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 23, 2022 18:59:40 GMT -5
Are we really gonn start arguing whether or not Kendrick f**king Lamar is a legend??? He is. End of discussion you can hear everything on Pulse, especially from sigur.
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Post by gikem on May 23, 2022 19:00:32 GMT -5
The only debut not to come from Kendrick besides the aforementioned Morgan Wallen song is Cooped Up by Post & Roddy Ricch at #29. It appears that MCR's comeback single missed the cut.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 23, 2022 19:05:48 GMT -5
Whether or not you believe Kendrick is a Hot 100 legend, and that is debateable, the one thing that cannot be debated is the fact that HUMBLE is a huge hit. Sure it wasn’t as big as SOY and Despacito, but the fact it competed it with for 5 weeks and beat both of them for a week at #1, makes HUMBLE a legitimate major hit.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 23, 2022 19:14:44 GMT -5
Whether or not you believe Kendrick is a Hot 100 legend, and that is debateable, the one thing that cannot be debated is the fact that HUMBLE is a huge hit. Sure it wasn’t as big as SOY and Despacito, but the fact it competed it with for 5 weeks and beat both of them for a week at #1, makes HUMBLE a legitimate major hit. It was a huge hit sure, but I don't get your obsession with SOY and Despacito? HUMBLE. reached #1 when the album came out, and that was after SOY's peak and before Despacito even reached top 5 (#9 that week).
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Post by kindofbiased on May 23, 2022 19:23:28 GMT -5
Kind of silly to try to diminish someone's chart success by saying they've only had 21 songs reach double digit weeks on the hot 100
Whether or not Kendrick is a "hot 100 legend" he has undeniably had lots of chart success and is one of the most beloved and acclaimed artists of the past 10 years
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Post by atg on May 23, 2022 20:21:50 GMT -5
Kendrick's performance reminded me of J. Cole's a lot, so I went to check, and lo and behold, they did this almost exactly 1 year apart. 🤯 "N95" should have been #2. Chart dated May 29, 2021:J. Cole debuts 4 songs in the Top 10, at #2, #5, #7 & #8. Chart Dated May 28, 2022:Kendrick Lamar debuts 4 songs in the Top 10, at #3, #5, #7 & #8. Even if J Cole stayed sort of relevant on the charts in between, he had a 3 year break between albums so it technically was his “comeback” album as well. To think If he had dropped a week before good 4 u released, then My Life could’ve hit #1 (depending on if could’ve been stronger than SYT or LTDO at the time) and as for Kendrick if he had been the first one to drop before As It Was, he might’ve easily had 5 or 6 debuts in the top 10 including the #1 so i guess it was kind of bad timing on both ends. And also looking back, it’s probably not the best idea to drop in May if you want a #1.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 23, 2022 21:33:09 GMT -5
Whether or not you believe Kendrick is a Hot 100 legend, and that is debateable, the one thing that cannot be debated is the fact that HUMBLE is a huge hit. Sure it wasn’t as big as SOY and Despacito, but the fact it competed it with for 5 weeks and beat both of them for a week at #1, makes HUMBLE a legitimate major hit. It was a huge hit sure, but I don't get your obsession with SOY and Despacito? HUMBLE. reached #1 when the album came out, and that was after SOY's peak and before Despacito even reached top 5 (#9 that week). SOY and Despacito are 2 of the biggest hits of the streaming era. Let's not diminish HUMBLE's accomplishments by saying it reached #1 after SOY's peak and just before Despacito's. It may have been a one-week #1, but it's far from a one-week wonder. The fact that the surrounding weeks were 2-3 (at the tail end of SOY's prime) and 3-4 (at the beginning of Despacito's) helps HUMBLE's legacy in my opinion.
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on May 24, 2022 0:03:44 GMT -5
As It Was and First Class are having an almost JLo "I'm Real"/Alicia Keys "Fallin"-like trading of the #1 spot (albeit with Future thrown in for one of those weeks). Just a few years back, we have WAP and Dynamite trading places (insert Franchise) .
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