Billboard Hot 100: 06/18/2022

[jenglisbe]

Jun 4, 2022 11:17:22 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

That Kate Bush song just goes to show why the Billboard awards' ratings were disastrously low and why the general public is not paying any attention to Billboard. How is that song not the number one song? It is by far the most popular song in America, but since it does not have an imaginary airplay number it is not at the top. That is beyond ridiculous

How was it "by far" the most popular song in America? It wasn't even the most streamed song of the week, was it?

[Enigma.]

It was the 4th most streamed

[joshtheking]

There's a difference between most popular and most listened, and the Hot 100 tracks the most LISTENED(/most bought) A lot of people may have been talking about RUTH but it wasn't the MOST streamed

[thabb]

Seeing people use an absolute scale to argue that Post's album can't be called a flop is kind of funny idk. (for the record I'm not necessarily only talking about this thread, I'm including other fan communities here)

"Flop" is typically used as a relative term. if HDD's 130k prediction actually does materialise for Twelve Carat Toothache, that would be a 73% drop from Hollywood Bleeding's first week on the Billboard 200. sorry, but to me (and probably many other people attuned to music charts) that is a certified flop. Consider Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk"; at the same time "Rumours" was certified 12x platinum with a peak of #1 on the Billboard 200, "Tusk" was certified 2x platinum with a peak of #4. On an absolute scale, no, Tusk didn't "flop". but that's an 83% decrease! everyone rightfully called it a flop at the time.

using an absolute scale to determine chart performance doesn't really help anyone. D-listers and indies would love a 130k first week, but we're not talking about D-listers and indies. we're talking about Post Malone. maybe he can pull a Justice next year?

(I'm only talking more generally here bc this topic seems to be the main theme of this thread so far)

[gs]

I Like You had a good drop, only -17.5% probably thanks to #1 TTH, #8 or #9 on the Hot 100 should be possible, top 5 nah

TCT also had a good drop as a whole with only -25%, which gives it a better chance of going #1 over BB on the Bad Bunny 200

[jenglisbe]

Jun 5, 2022 8:39:42 GMT -5 thabb said:

Seeing people use an absolute scale to argue that Post's album can't be called a flop is kind of funny idk. (for the record I'm not necessarily only talking about this thread, I'm including other fan communities here)

"Flop" is typically used as a relative term. if HDD's 130k prediction actually does materialise for Twelve Carat Toothache, that would be a 73% drop from Hollywood Bleeding's first week on the Billboard 200. sorry, but to me (and probably many other people attuned to music charts) that is a certified flop. Consider Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk"; at the same time "Rumours" was certified 12x platinum with a peak of #1 on the Billboard 200, "Tusk" was certified 2x platinum with a peak of #4. On an absolute scale, no, Tusk didn't "flop". but that's an 83% decrease! everyone rightfully called it a flop at the time.

using an absolute scale to determine chart performance doesn't really help anyone. D-listers and indies would love a 130k first week, but we're not talking about D-listers and indies. we're talking about Post Malone. maybe he can pull a Justice next year?

(I'm only talking more generally here bc this topic seems to be the main theme of this thread so far)

Well, and more so it would depend on profits, no? Ultimately I think a "flop" is more about whether the project recoups its costs. An album that sells well can still be a flop if it doesn't earn back its budget. It's easier to tell with movies because we get their actual gross figures, and often know the budget as well. It's harder to tell with music. If Tusk was profitable for the artist and label (and I have no idea if it was), would it still be a flop?

[iHype.]

Jun 5, 2022 8:39:42 GMT -5 thabb said:

if HDD's 130k prediction actually does materialise for Twelve Carat Toothache, that would be a 73% drop from Hollywood Bleeding's first week on the Billboard 200. sorry, but to me (and probably many other people attuned to music charts) that is a certified flop.

Isn’t that a similar drop Adele had with 25 to 30?

It’s definitely a big underperformance, whether a straight flop or not is arguable but I would say it’s treading to that at this point.

[thabb]

Jun 5, 2022 8:58:05 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jun 5, 2022 8:39:42 GMT -5 thabb said:

if HDD's 130k prediction actually does materialise for Twelve Carat Toothache, that would be a 73% drop from Hollywood Bleeding's first week on the Billboard 200. sorry, but to me (and probably many other people attuned to music charts) that is a certified flop.

Isn’t that a similar drop Adele had with 25 to 30?

It’s definitely a big underperformance, whether a straight flop or not is arguable but I would say it’s treading to that at this point.

a 3mil to 800k-something drop is way more comfortable than a 489k to 130k. People can refer to 30's performance in many ways but that's why I said the term "flop" is relative. in 2021, 30 still sold (emphasising "sold" here; I am aware about its streaming performance) miles ahead of everyone else despite the massive first week drop between albums. will Twelve Carat Toothache do the same in sales or streams is yet to be known but the current performance isn't looking very good

[iHype.]

Jun 5, 2022 9:27:24 GMT -5 thabb said:

Jun 5, 2022 8:58:05 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Isn’t that a similar drop Adele had with 25 to 30?

It’s definitely a big underperformance, whether a straight flop or not is arguable but I would say it’s treading to that at this point.

a 3mil to 800k-something drop is way more comfortable than a 489k to 130k. People can refer to 30's performance in many ways but that's why I said the term "flop" is relative. in 2021, 30 still sold (emphasising "sold" here; I am aware about its streaming performance) miles ahead of everyone else despite the massive first week drop between albums. will Twelve Carat Toothache do the same in sales or streams is yet to be known but the current performance isn't looking very good

Percentage wise if they are similar I’m not sure how one is more comfortable than the other. If two albums both drop 90% second week I think the consensus would be they’re both very frontloaded no matter if one sold way more than the other first week.

3.48m to 839k = 76%
489k to 130k = 73%

There isn’t a perfect formula/thesis on when a decline is a flop and this shows that even percentages isn’t going to be some be all end all reference and will be arguable.

[thabb]

Jun 5, 2022 10:13:45 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jun 5, 2022 9:27:24 GMT -5 thabb said:

a 3mil to 800k-something drop is way more comfortable than a 489k to 130k. People can refer to 30's performance in many ways but that's why I said the term "flop" is relative. in 2021, 30 still sold (emphasising "sold" here; I am aware about its streaming performance) miles ahead of everyone else despite the massive first week drop between albums. will Twelve Carat Toothache do the same in sales or streams is yet to be known but the current performance isn't looking very good

Percentage wise if they are similar I’m not sure how one is more comfortable than the other. If two albums both drop 90% second week I think the consensus would be they’re both very frontloaded no matter if one sold way more than the other first week.

3.48m to 839k = 76%
489k to 130k = 73%

There isn’t a perfect formula/thesis on when a decline is a flop and this shows that even percentages isn’t going to be some be all end all reference and will be arguable.

I don't want to be rude but… please re-read what I wrote after the second sentence. Yes, the drop between first weeks for 25 to 30 and Hollywood's Bleeding to Twelve Carat Toothache are proportionally similar. However, one continued to be the best-selling album of its year by a large margin while the other is… probably not going to be. This is part of why I, again, said that the term "flop" is relative. I just used percentage decrease as one "reference" to help put things into perspective; I never claimed it to be a "perfect formula" or "thesis" on what a "flop" is, nor did I ever claim it to be "some be all end all reference"

(btw … I think most would agree that a 76% drop to 839k is better than a 73% drop to 130k. especially when one is a guaranteed #1 and the other is currently in a chart race with a 5-week-old album.)

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2022 » / « 06 » / « 05 »

1(=) Jack Harlow - First Class 101.34(+1.88) +
2(=) Harry Styles - As It Was 98.04(+0.39)
3(=) Latto - Big Energy 79.81(-1.21) -
4(=) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 66.68(-0.04) -
5(+1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 66.22(+0.53)
6(-1) The Kid Laroi & Justin Bieber - Stay 66.20(-0.22)
7(+1) Justin Bieber - Ghost 61.23(+0.66)
8(-1) Imagine Dragons - Enemy From League Of Legends 60.55(-0.28)
9(+1) Lizzo - About Damn Time 58.57(+0.78) -
10(-1) Lil Nas X - Thats What I Want 57.67(-0.24)

20(+2) Keith Urban - Wild Hearts 37.24(+1.54)

39(+3) Future - WAIT FOR U (feat. Drake & Tems) 28.08(+1.58) +

42(+1) Ed Sheeran - 2step (feat. Lil Baby) 26.77(+0.78)

46(+4) Lady Gaga - Hold My Hand 24.31(+1.19)

61(+3) Ella Mai - DFMU 18.68(+1.17) +

79(+8) Harry Styles - Late Night Talking 14.23(+0.81) -

97(+7) Kendrick Lamar - Silent Hill f/Kodak Black 12.56(+0.85)

-(-) Carlos Vives - Baloncito Viejo f/Camilo 8.96(+0.79)

[iHype.]

Jun 5, 2022 10:19:02 GMT -5 thabb said:

Jun 5, 2022 10:13:45 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Percentage wise if they are similar I’m not sure how one is more comfortable than the other. If two albums both drop 90% second week I think the consensus would be they’re both very frontloaded no matter if one sold way more than the other first week.

3.48m to 839k = 76%
489k to 130k = 73%

There isn’t a perfect formula/thesis on when a decline is a flop and this shows that even percentages isn’t going to be some be all end all reference and will be arguable.

I don't want to be rude but… please re-read what I wrote after the second sentence. Yes, the drop between first weeks for 25 to 30 and Hollywood's Bleeding to Twelve Carat Toothache are proportionally similar. However, one continued to be the best-selling album of its year by a large margin while the other is… probably not going to be. This is part of why I, again, said that the term "flop" is relative. I just used percentage decrease as one "reference" to help put things into perspective; I never claimed it to be a "perfect formula" or "thesis" on what a "flop" is, nor did I ever claim it to be "some be all end all reference"

(btw … I think most would agree that a 76% drop to 839k is better than a 73% drop to 130k.)

You are contradicting yourself.

If a flop is relative to someone’s own previous standards as you showed with Fleetwood Mac, then why are you comparing Adele’s 839k and Post’s 130k in order to make her decline look way more amazing.

Wouldn’t relatively mean comparing to their own previous standards and just their own standards solely?

Yes, anyone would prefer to have Adele’s numbers over Post’s numbers right now. That wasn’t what was discussed though.

[phieaglesfan712]

Pretty funny how First Class was biggest gainer today despite being over 100M AI. I still expect it to peak soon on radio, but FC has officially won the battle on radio over AIW.

[thabb]

Jun 5, 2022 10:30:44 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jun 5, 2022 10:19:02 GMT -5 thabb said:

I don't want to be rude but… please re-read what I wrote after the second sentence. Yes, the drop between first weeks for 25 to 30 and Hollywood's Bleeding to Twelve Carat Toothache are proportionally similar. However, one continued to be the best-selling album of its year by a large margin while the other is… probably not going to be. This is part of why I, again, said that the term "flop" is relative. I just used percentage decrease as one "reference" to help put things into perspective; I never claimed it to be a "perfect formula" or "thesis" on what a "flop" is, nor did I ever claim it to be "some be all end all reference"

(btw … I think most would agree that a 76% drop to 839k is better than a 73% drop to 130k.)

You are contradicting yourself.

If a flop is relative to someone’s own previous standards as you showed with Fleetwood Mac, then why are you comparing Adele’s 839k and Post’s 130k in order to make her decline look way more amazing.

Wouldn’t relatively mean comparing to their own previous standards and just their own standards solely?

Yes, anyone would prefer to have Adele’s numbers over Post’s numbers right now. That wasn’t what was discussed though.

I didn't say that. All I said was, AGAIN, "flop" is relative. I didn't say "only relative to someone's own previous standards". I just used a popular reference—look at contemporary reviews of the album, they all called it a "flop"—to show an example of how "flop" can be interpreted. 2xP on an absolute scale is a success, but many called it a flop. If people can call that a flop then why are people arguing against people calling Twelve Carat Toothache a flop just because it might do 130k (which may be "great" on an absolute scale)? that is my point.

[ontopofthis]

Jun 4, 2022 16:58:32 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jun 4, 2022 16:41:45 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

Because all of Post's albums are less than 6 years old. When Teenage Dream was under 6 years old the highest it was eligible for was 7x Platinum.

It was in the same ballpark as Post's albums. And guess what? Post's albums are all charting better than Teenage Dream was at their age. Which is why it's important to realize that in the long run, when they have over 12 years of units, like Teenage Dream -- they will be in a similar range.

You are just posting nonsense now. I stated that he certifies regularly as in the album was just certified at 5x in 2021. There is not way that Stoney has an additional 1,000,000 in 2021 as you stated when it is not on MRC's or Hits' top 50. In addition, neither Stoney nor Beerbongs and Bentley are in the top ten have been in the top fifty for months, and the number 50 is selling only 12,000. The point being that your additional units, are unsourced and not even believable.

Teenage Dream is an album that came out before the streaming explosion, but it is still getting enough streams to reach new certifications. That is what you can say is longevity, not a 2018 album being number 100 or whatever in 2022. Even if your projections for the Post Malone albums are probable, which they are not, the Katy Perry album is not going to stagnate. It will still have a higher certification than Post Malone's albums then 

You are right, though. He is not a Katy Perry. Katy Perry has an album that is actually almost diamond. That is insulting to her to even juxtapose the two        

His newest album is currently on pace to open at half of her fourth album, so lets see how that catalogue is performing even in July    

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I think “flop” is part of the game for artists and I’m sure most artists are (should be) aware that it’s always a possibility when releasing music. We tend to see it as a negative but it might be a case of it is what it is. There’s no written definition or rule around what a flop is. If someone calls Post’s album a flop, then they probably have reason to think so. Similar to the Kendrick album, Tusk, Artpop, Bionic, 30, etc, etc. we spend so much time trying to change minds when effort is better spent just explaining our own thoughts and letting that be that.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 06/04/22

1(=) Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) 2,173,664 (-214,543)
2(+1) Harry Styles - As It Was 1,810,234 (-91,658)
3(-1) Post Malone, Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) 1,649,453 (-350,737)
4(=) Post Malone, Roddy Ricch - Cooped Up 1,349,836 (-342,777)
5(+1) Harry Styles - Late Night Talking 1,171,645 (-100,060)
6(+5) Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone - Me Porto Bonito 1,145,566 (+2,676)
7(+5) Jack Harlow - First Class 1,133,032 (+3,815)
8(+6) Lizzo - About Damn Time 1,022,136 (-3,281)
9(+7) Bad Bunny - Tití Me Preguntó 981,771 (+2,568)
10(-3) Post Malone - Wrapped Around Your Finger 938,539 (-300,754)

Post Malonе - Twelve Carat Toothache
11(-2) Wasting Angels 873,653 (-325,388)
13(-5) Lemon Tree 862,137 (-350,262)
15(-5) I Cannot Be (A Sadder Song) 857,690 (-339,309)
16(-11) Reputation 853,172 (-484,147)
17(-4) Insane 821,565 (-237,827)
18(-1) One Right Now 805,804 (-165,451)
22(-7) Love/Hate Letter to Alcohol 753,835 (-269,274)
36(-11) When I'm Alone 590,116 (-212,518)
37(-16) Euthanasia 576,984 (-234,676)
54(-19) Waiting for a Miracle 474,528 (-202,721)
77(-34) New Recording 12, Jan 3, 2020 389,505 (-183,717)
Total Streams: 11,796,817 (-20%)

Bad Bunny - Un Verano Tin Si
12(+6) Ojitos Lindos 869,624 (-10,900)
19(+3) Moscow Mule 804,042 (-6,449)
23(+5) Party 741,838 (+4,556)
24(+5) Después de la Playa 739,491 (+8,040)
28(+8) Efecto 660,258 (-10,377)
50(+3) Tarot 499,213 (-16,371)
51(+4) Un Ratito 491,820 (-12,498)
59(+2) Yo No Soy Celoso 444,701 (-10,915)
67(+3) Neverita 406,461 (-8,518)
69(+5) La Corriente 403,033 (-4,718)
95(=) Otro Atardecer 343,543 (-14,273)
104(+2) Andrea 330,874 (-13,066)
106(+3) Aguacero 327,792 (-10,604)
109(+7) Callaita 318,251 (-3,082)
114(+4) El Apagón 312,708 (-5,981)
115(=) Un Coco 312,259 (-10,942)
124(+2) Dos Mil 16 300,457 (-9,708)
138(+5) Enséñame a Bailar 282,175 (-6,204)
150(+1) Me Fui de Vacaciones 273,202 (-8,099)
161(+4) Un Verano Sin Ti 262,265 (-10,485)
Total Streams: 11,251,344 (-1%)

Harry Styles - Harry's House
21(-2) Music for a Sushi Restaurant 779,412 (-77,845)
25(-1) Daylight 725,542 (-81,758)
26(-3) Matilda 700,680 (-108,668)
30(+2) Grapejuice 618,057 (-78,893)
32(+1) Little Freak 603,101 (-86,961)
34(=) Satellite 597,810 (-81,078)
42(-4) Keep Driving 535,492 (-70,191)
45(-4) Cinema 528,454 (-66,011)
48(-6) Daydreaming 513,990 (-67,057)
52(-5) Love of My Life 486,508 (-76,859)
72(-12) Boyfriends 394,888 (-62,056)
Total Streams: 9,465,813 (-10%)

Others:
14(+6) Future, Drake, Tems - WAIT FOR U 857,921 (+4,005)
20(+6) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 797,975 (-4,080)
27(+3) Kendrick Lamar - N95 662,017 (-57,787)
29(-2) Kanye West, XXXTENTACION - True Love 639,965 (-104,050)
31(=) Polo G - Distraction 606,949 (-111,487)
33(+7) KAROL G - PROVENZA 598,572 (-1,674)
35(+4) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 591,027 (-10,462)
38(-1) Future - PUFFIN ON ZOOTIEZ 565,989 (-43,091)
39(+11) Doja Cat - Woman 546,232 (+1,075)
40(+9) The Kid LAROI - STAY 541,402 (-4,637)
41(+10) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 540,584 (+3,666)
43(+5) Justin Bieber - Ghost 532,560 (-17,003)
44(=) Kendrick Lamar - Die Hard 532,118 (-38,134)
46(-1) Sleepy Hallow, 347aidan - Die Young 519,812 (-44,056)
47(-1) J. Cole - No Role Modelz 518,727 (-44,669)
53(-1) Calvin Harris, Dua Lipa, Young Thug - Potion 479,948 (-39,693)
55(+2) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 467,685 (-20,039)
57(+1) Jack Harlow - Dua Lipa 461,205 (-19,998)
60(-1) Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You 442,551 (-32,940)
61(+2) Imagine Dragons - Enemy 441,662 (-10,675)
62(+2) Camila Cabello - Bam Bam 439,334 (-6,577)
63(+10) Nicky Youre, dazy - Sunroof 425,383 (+15,036)
65(-3) Kendrick Lamar - Rich Spirit 418,738 (-33,842)
66(+9) Doja Cat - Vegas 418,286 (+19,702)
73(-4) Arctic Monkeys - 505 394,133 (-21,613)
74(-3) WILLOW - Wait a Minute! 393,693 (-20,462)
75(+9) Latto - Big Energy 393,567 (+10,685)
76(+16) Musical Youth - Pass the Dutchie 391,383 (+28,443)
78(+5) Becky G, KAROL G - MAMIII 387,051 (+3,206)
80(-14) Kendrick Lamar - Silent Hill 385,766 (-33,662)
81(-5) Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World 380,171 (-17,218)
82(-5) Elley Duhé - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 376,723 (-17,341)
83(+5) Megan Thee Stallion, Dua Lipa - Sweetest Pie 375,238 (+1,238)
86(-5) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 373,930 (-13,190)
87(=) Kodak Black - Super Gremlin 363,749 (-10,657)
88(-9) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 362,908 (-28,269)
90(-1) Tate McRae - she's all i wanna be 350,593 (-21,633)
92(-6) Quavo, Takeoff - HOTEL LOBBY 347,312 (-28,874)
96(-3) The Walters - I Love You So 341,037 (-21,073)
97(+10) Morgan Wallen - Thought You Should Know 340,163 (-3,546)
99(+4) The Kid Laroi - Thousand Miles 336,023 (-10,911)

101(-4) Tyler the Creator - See You Again 334,985 (-20,719)
118(+1) Future, Drake - IM ON ONE 305,140 (-13,215)
123(-6) SleazyWorld Go, Lil Baby - Sleazy Flow (Remix) 301,594 (-19,264)
129(-16) Kendrick Lamar - United in Grief 291,413 (-37,010)
132(=) Yeat - Monëy so big 289,330 (-15,301)
136(-5) Leah Kate - 10 Things I Hate About You 283,628-305,419 (-21,791)
137(+2) Jack Harlow - Churchill Downs 282,746 (-9,109)
141(+9) Lil Baby - Right On 280,420 (-1,704)
142(+31) Nate Smith - Whiskey On You 279,258 (+15,251)
143(+10) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 278,222 (-1,528)
144(-19) Kendrick Lamar - Father Time 278,214 (-33,177)
147(+13) Cody Johnson - 'Til You Can't 275,710 (+1,411)
154(+8) Morgan Wallen - Don't Think Jesus 267,942 (-5,766)
155(-14) Ruth B. - Dandelions 267,512 (-21,691)
156(-22) Cafuné - Tek It 266,506 (-20,011)
159(re-entry) Kenny Loggins - Danger Zone 262,752
172(-16) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 255,243 (-21,811)
181(+5) Tyler Hubbard - 5 Foot 9 249,785 (-9,282)
191(+9) Future - 712PM 245,022 (-6,340)
193(-27) MoneyBagg Yo - See Wat I'm Sayin 244,192 (-27,894)

[iHype.]

Jun 5, 2022 10:44:32 GMT -5 thabb said:

Jun 5, 2022 10:30:44 GMT -5 iHype. said:

You are contradicting yourself.

If a flop is relative to someone’s own previous standards as you showed with Fleetwood Mac, then why are you comparing Adele’s 839k and Post’s 130k in order to make her decline look way more amazing.

Wouldn’t relatively mean comparing to their own previous standards and just their own standards solely?

Yes, anyone would prefer to have Adele’s numbers over Post’s numbers right now. That wasn’t what was discussed though.

I didn't say that. All I said was, AGAIN, "flop" is relative. I didn't say "only relative to someone's own previous standards". I just used a popular reference—look at contemporary reviews of the album, they all called it a "flop"—to show an example of how "flop" can be interpreted. 2xP on an absolute scale is a success, but many called it a flop. If people can call that a flop then why are people arguing against people calling Twelve Carat Toothache a flop just because it might do 130k (which may be "great" on an absolute scale)? that is my point.

Right, so doing better than artist X Y and Z and having a best seller of the year can still *relatively* be a flop.

[iHype.]

Jun 5, 2022 10:45:45 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

I stated that he certifies regularly as in the album was just certified at 5x in 2021.

And I showed you he didn’t. The album was not certified at all when it was 4x Platinum eligible. Thus, logically that could mean… when it was certified 5x Platinum that wasn’t *exactly* when it crossed it the mark. It could’ve been around 5.2 or 5.5 or 5.3m.

There is not way that Stoney has an additional 1,000,000 in 2021 as you stated

I never stated this.

when it is not on MRC's or Hits' top 50. In addition, neither Stoney nor Beerbongs and Bentley are in the top ten have been in the top fifty for months, and the number 50 is selling only 12,000. The point being that your additional units, are unsourced and not even believable

The #100 on Billboard 200 any given week moves 10k. Thus any album that is top 100 throughout a year moves 500k+ units per year. #50-200 positions are close in units.

Teenage Dream is an album that came out before the streaming explosion, but it is still getting enough streams to reach new certifications. That is what you can say is longevity, not a 2018 album being number 100 or whatever in 2022.

Teenage Dream had relatively poor longevity. It struggles to chart on Billboard 200 today, while albums like “Take Care” (2011) and “Good Kid Mad City” (2012) are still top 50 every single week. This is an album with 8 top 3 hits AND a re-release.

Even if your projections for the Post Malone albums are probable, which they are not, the Katy Perry album is not going to stagnate.

Logically, as an album is outcharted and thus outsold every week for years straight the gap only narrows. That was what is said. It makes no sense to brag about Teenage Dream’s numbers when it had 5-10 years of lead, and that lead will eventually be much much smaller.

His newest album is currently on pace to open at half of her fourth album, so lets see how that catalogue is performing even in July    

That album had tour bundles and still lasted a mere 3 weeks top 20. 💀

[thabb]

Jun 5, 2022 10:57:33 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jun 5, 2022 10:44:32 GMT -5 thabb said:

I didn't say that. All I said was, AGAIN, "flop" is relative. I didn't say "only relative to someone's own previous standards". I just used a popular reference—look at contemporary reviews of the album, they all called it a "flop"—to show an example of how "flop" can be interpreted. 2xP on an absolute scale is a success, but many called it a flop. If people can call that a flop then why are people arguing against people calling Twelve Carat Toothache a flop just because it might do 130k (which may be "great" on an absolute scale)? that is my point.

Right, so doing better than artist X Y and Z and having a best seller of the year can still *relatively* be a flop.

I agree 🤷 hence the point that I really wanted to make but didn't elaborate very well. it's just funny to me how people—here and elsewhere—are batting against others for calling Twelve Carat Toothache a flop when from certain views it definitely could be considered one.

[ddlz]

Jun 5, 2022 10:55:55 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

US Spotify - 06/04/22


Post Malonе - Twelve Carat Toothache
Total Streams: 11,796,817 (-20%)

Bad Bunny - Un Verano Tin Si
Total Streams: 11,251,344 (-1%)

Harry Styles - Harry's House
Total Streams: 9,465,813 (-10%)

[After Minutes]

Jun 5, 2022 10:34:46 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Pretty funny how First Class was biggest gainer today despite being over 100M AI. I still expect it to peak soon on radio, but FC has officially won the battle on radio over AIW.

Is there a universe where this actually is the YE #1?

[Groovy]

Jun 5, 2022 13:00:41 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Jun 5, 2022 10:34:46 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Pretty funny how First Class was biggest gainer today despite being over 100M AI. I still expect it to peak soon on radio, but FC has officially won the battle on radio over AIW.

Is there a universe where this actually is the YE #1?

Right now, Heat Waves is the song to beat and FC needs it to drop off fast in order to catch up.

[phieaglesfan712]

Jun 5, 2022 13:00:41 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Jun 5, 2022 10:34:46 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Pretty funny how First Class was biggest gainer today despite being over 100M AI. I still expect it to peak soon on radio, but FC has officially won the battle on radio over AIW.

Is there a universe where this actually is the YE #1?

Not really, I think Heat Waves has the YE #1 on lock.

Another interesting thing to note is that 2022, unlike the other years in the streaming era, hasn't had that long-running #1 hit:

2013 - Blurred Lines (12)
2014 - Happy (10)
2015 - Uptown Funk (14), See You Again (12), Hello (10)
2016 - One Dance (10), Closer (12)
2017 - Shape of You (12), Despacito (16)
2018 - God's Plan (11), In My Feelings (10)
2019 - Old Town Road (19)
2020 - The Box (11)
2021 - Easy On Me (10) [even if you exclude Butter, and even then, Stay probably would have been an 11-week #1 without the mass buying]

Assuming As It Was remains #1 on the 6/11 chart, it will tie WDTAB and Heat Waves for the longest run at #1 this year (at 5 weeks).

[Enigma.]

Jun 5, 2022 12:07:17 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Jun 5, 2022 10:55:55 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

US Spotify - 06/04/22


Post Malonе - Twelve Carat Toothache
Total Streams: 11,796,817 (-20%)

Bad Bunny - Un Verano Tin Si
Total Streams: 11,251,344 (-1%)

Harry Styles - Harry's House
Total Streams: 9,465,813 (-10%)

Second day drop vs. drops of albums that are few weeks older. Not really comparable. I think Harry's drop is pretty large actually.

[ddlz]

Jun 5, 2022 13:49:35 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Jun 5, 2022 12:07:17 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Second day drop vs. drops of albums that are few weeks older. Not really comparable. I think Harry's drop is pretty large actually.

You're right, but I just wanted to highlight Bad Bunny's stability compared to Post and Harry's albums. 

[badrobot]

Looks like the Kate momentum is officially over. I realize it’s super early in the tracking week but has anyone made a guess about where RUTH will be this week?

[Gary]

On page 2 - someone made a prediction it would be #1

[badrobot]

Jun 5, 2022 15:01:31 GMT -5 Gary said:

On page 2 - someone made a prediction it would be #1

That seems doubtful doesn’t it? The lack of airplay probably would hold it back behind at least Jack and Harry I’d think, even if it does end up #1 on streaming.

[Gary]

Oh - totally -- I was just answering your question - I wasn't agreeing with the prediction