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Post by After Minutes on Jun 4, 2022 11:52:31 GMT -5
Circles, The Box, and Blinding Lights smashing during the beginning of the pandemic and now all their latest eras were full blown flukes has to be some full circle moment right? These three artists are in completely different places on why they underperformed. For Post Malone, his singles just didn’t connect. One Right Now just wasn’t a huge hit enough to propel the album. And he focused on putting out collabs between albums which were never his strong suit anyway. Roddy Riich wouldn’t have fallen off if his second record was actually good. His single did well enough considering it was a slow jam and his debut was a surprise hit so he could have just dropped another album with catchy hooks to hardcarry but he didn’t. For The Weeknd, he had an overexposure problem. Couldn’t he have waited to drop another project with well-timed bundles? Now he got mogged by Gunna of all people. SAD! This exactly. Post and Abel underperformed, but they'll be fine if they fully establish or shake up their new sound. For Roddy though it might be over as a viable candidate for taking over the rap game (which he was just a year ago) or establishing himself as an a-lister (which he was going to do according to many). In a sense they complement each other - with The Weeknd as the "urban popstar" and Post Malone as the "wine mom's rapper" |
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Post by Groovy on Jun 4, 2022 12:02:26 GMT -5
I don't get why Post's team didn't push I Like You or Wrapped Around Your Finger as a single before the album, they both have serious hit potential
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 4, 2022 12:32:39 GMT -5
I was discussing Post's streams in a music server and we brought up the '4th album curse', particularly in relation to albums that did worse than the third. I just wonder if we would've had this same discussion 12 years ago when Rated R didn't do as well as Good Girl Gone Bad Do you have any examples of artists who experienced this fourth album curse? These aren't my examples, these are just some of the examples they gave (and note remember: the "curse" is just about the fourth album doing worse than the third, not that it actually flopped as you'll see): Post, Ed, Adele, Katy, Justin Timberlake, Miley, Gaga (we're counting Cheek to Cheek as a side so not an album), Rihanna, Bieber (not counting eps and journals), Imagine Dragons, Boyz 2 Men, Beyonce, Eminem, Nicki And for reference, here are acts who defied the "curse": Taylor (Red), Ariana (Sweetener), Janet (Rhythm Nation), Weeknd (After Hours, if we count Kiss Land as his debut), Kendrick (DAMN., some don't count Untitled Unmastered as an album), Tyler (Flower Boy, if you can't Goblin as his debut) |
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Post by ephelia on Jun 4, 2022 12:42:50 GMT -5
Only an imbecile who needs to be ignored was saying that. It is strange how the internet always takes the most extreme opinions and tries to have those be the the standard Nevertheless, his first era is successful, but I would not say that it is massive. It is his One of the Boys with the next two being his Teenage Dream and Prism. He is the male Katy Perry to a tee, which I stated a year ago. What is surprising, though, is that Jack Harlow's album is also not holding up well even though he is the one who seemed to be primed to be the next Post Malone That Katy Perry comparison is non sense. As said his first 3 albums were all massive smashes. Stoney was top 10 on the 2010s DECADE End Albums Chart. It is in no way similar to a One of the Boys sized era. All his first 3 albums are past 5 million units in US and should reach Diamond when all is said and done. Beerbongs & Bentley made the top 10 of the 2010s Decade End, Hollywood is #2 on the 2020s Decade End. All 3 albums literally made the top 10 of Decade-End charts and will reach Diamond. So yeah, based on the insane consistency he had this albums performance is more shocking. Right, and all three are in the top 40 Billboard 200 albums of all time. Stoney was absolutely massive - all three were - and is still in the top 100 on the BB200 with 285 weeks. |
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Post by ontopofthis on Jun 4, 2022 13:19:30 GMT -5
Only an imbecile who needs to be ignored was saying that. It is strange how the internet always takes the most extreme opinions and tries to have those be the the standard Nevertheless, his first era is successful, but I would not say that it is massive. It is his One of the Boys with the next two being his Teenage Dream and Prism. He is the male Katy Perry to a tee, which I stated a year ago. What is surprising, though, is that Jack Harlow's album is also not holding up well even though he is the one who seemed to be primed to be the next Post Malone That Katy Perry comparison is non sense. As said his first 3 albums were all massive smashes. Stoney was top 10 on the 2010s DECADE End Albums Chart. It is in no way similar to a One of the Boys sized era. All his first 3 albums are past 5 million units in US and should reach Diamond when all is said and done. Beerbongs & Bentley made the top 10 of the 2010s Decade End, Hollywood is #2 on the 2020s Decade End. All 3 albums literally made the top 10 of Decade-End charts and will reach Diamond. So yeah, based on the insane consistency he had this albums performance is more shocking. Reach diamond when? And you have to be smarter than to compare the chart runs for albums released when streaming accounted for the album units to albums that released when they were not. If you add up the the units from the eras I am pretty sure that they are about the same. Actually, I am pretty sure that he has not had an era bigger than Teenage Dream if you add up all of the units from that era and then compare that to his era |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 4, 2022 13:27:39 GMT -5
That Katy Perry comparison is non sense. As said his first 3 albums were all massive smashes. Stoney was top 10 on the 2010s DECADE End Albums Chart. It is in no way similar to a One of the Boys sized era. All his first 3 albums are past 5 million units in US and should reach Diamond when all is said and done. Beerbongs & Bentley made the top 10 of the 2010s Decade End, Hollywood is #2 on the 2020s Decade End. All 3 albums literally made the top 10 of Decade-End charts and will reach Diamond. So yeah, based on the insane consistency he had this albums performance is more shocking. Reach diamond when? All 3 should reach Diamond this decade, except Hollywood’s Bleeding which had Sunflower’s units go to the Spider-Man Soundtrack. Stoney - 5.3 million units since release, still moving 500k~ yearly Beerbongs - 5.8 million units since release, still moving 500k~ yearly Hollywoods Bleeding - 5.2 million units since release, still moving 1 million~ yearly Not even counting pre-album release streams, so all those albums are actually around 6 million. Katy’s debut era is at 3x Platinum after 14 years. His debut era is eligible for 6x Platinum after less than 6 years. Katy’s sophomore era is at 9x Platinum after 12 years. His sophomore era is eligible for 6x Platinum after 4 years. Katy’s third era is at 5x Platinum after 9 years. His third era is past that after 3 years. His first 3 eras were way more successful. They literally will all end up moving similar units to Teenage Dream. You all underestimate how big his first 3 eras were. |
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Post by ddlz on Jun 4, 2022 13:34:15 GMT -5
Post's album is not even Top 3 on Apple Music yet. At this point, he won't even be able to do MGK's last album numbers (93k) which is sad and unfortunate. This is why you don't do predictions of album sales with less than 12 hours of tracking I don't think my prediction will be off by much. I think he'll debut at #2 or #3 on Billboard. |
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Post by ontopofthis on Jun 4, 2022 13:34:46 GMT -5
All 3 should reach Diamond this decade, except Hollywood’s Bleeding which had Sunflower’s units go to the Spider-Man Soundtrack. Stoney - 5.3 million units since release, still moving 500k~ yearly Beerbongs - 5.8 million units since release, still moving 500k~ yearly Hollywoods Bleeding - 5.2 million units since release, still moving 1 million~ yearly Not even counting pre-album release streams, so all those albums are actually around 6 million. Katy’s debut era is at 3x Platinum after 14 years. His debut era is eligible for 6x Platinum after less than 6 years. Katy’s sophomore era is at 9x Platinum after 12 years. His sophomore era is eligible for 6x Platinum after 4 years. Katy’s third era is at 5x Platinum after 9 years. His third era is past that after 3 years. His first 3 eras were way more successful. They literally will all end up moving similar units to Teenage Dream. You all underestimate how big his first 3 eras were. The first two are not going to reach diamond this decade using your rate. That is even with you fixing the rate, which it will certainly not be. Teenage Dream is an album that you can say is near diamond. His albums are not going to reach 9x platinum any time soon, and that is even with it not even being a streaming era release. As I stated, his certifications probably are not even matching hers, and they are not using your numbers. He was big, but acting as if his peak was above her peak is nonsense |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 4, 2022 13:48:11 GMT -5
The first two are not going to reach diamond this decade using your rate. They are at 6x Platinum eligible, and there is 7.5 years left this decade. 500k multiplied by 7.5 years = 3.75 million. RIAA also includes all official video streams, whereas the total numbers I quoted are estimated Billboard units which only included video streams since 2019. Right, I fixed it to their recent rates which is when he has been on hiatus and hasn’t released any albums. Once artists release more albums and get more hits their catalog streams actually tends to *increase*, if not stay the same and make up for any small declines. Teenage Dream was released 6, 8, and 9 years before his first 3 albums. Why on Earth are you bragging about it reaching 9x Platinum soon in comparison to them? Especially when I literally just show you within 10 years they will also all be near 9x Platinim. Literally using his numbers RIGHT now his albums would be eligible for: - 6x Platinum - 6x Platinum - 6x Platinum (however the label moved Sunflowers units under the Spider-Man Soundtrack with RIAA) This equals 18x Platinum. Katy’s certifications were updated *this* year and are 3x Platinum, 9x Platinum, and 5x Platinum. A total of 17x Platinum. His first 3 albums are literally already higher for a total amount than Katy’s first 3 albums. And this is with her having YEARS of lead. Clearly he was much more successful…. His first 3 albums were bigger than her first 3 in HALF the time. What is your logic of arguing his peak wasn’t above hers? LMAO. |
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Post by inverse on Jun 4, 2022 14:48:31 GMT -5
I was discussing Post's streams in a music server and we brought up the '4th album curse', particularly in relation to albums that did worse than the third. I just wonder if we would've had this same discussion 12 years ago when Rated R didn't do as well as Good Girl Gone Bad Do you have any examples of artists who experienced this fourth album curse? Kesha, Gaga, Katy, Imagine Dragons, Bieber, Beyoncé, you could argue Adele but I wouldn’t |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jun 4, 2022 15:58:34 GMT -5
It's because of the weak first verse. People switch stations before the chorus has a chance to start No, this isn’t true. You saw the callouts, people like the song. The bigger problem is that RCA does an extremely bad job at promoting radio singles. They’ve been known to practically sabotage the runs of well-liked songs like Midnight Sky and Wild Side, and now the same thing is happening to SAIWB. Justice for Midnight Sky, that should've been Blinding Lights 2.0 |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jun 4, 2022 16:03:50 GMT -5
Circles, The Box, and Blinding Lights smashing during the beginning of the pandemic and now all their latest eras were full blown flukes has to be some full circle moment right? I would say we're in a transition year, but there aren't enough big hits this year to even call it that. The entire music industry feels dead this year |
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Post by inverse on Jun 4, 2022 16:11:58 GMT -5
My heart will forever be broken that "she's all i wanna be" is doing so well on callouts but radio decided to fail it. I have firm belief it would've been a top 10 smasher if radio took it all the way.  Radio callouts don't make sense at all if you sort by net positive most of the best songs are near the bottom. What makes even less sense is that She's All I Wanna Be is the only good song that's near the top & yet it's the one that's falling the fastest, all this makes me think these numbers are completely random and don't have any basis in reality. |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jun 4, 2022 16:15:45 GMT -5
all of this talk about Post Malone, yet no one mentioned his best song this year:
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 4, 2022 16:25:32 GMT -5
Was Gaga’s fourth album really that much of a drop from her third though? Artpop sold 781k and Joanne 649k in the US. Both are platinum. Unless you’re taking worldwide stats. Wikipedia lists Artpop as 2.5 million and Joanne at 1 million ww. Artpop had 2 decent sized hits and Joanne had whatever million reasons was. I’d put Gaga more in a third album curse than a fourth one because both aren’t that far from each other all things considered.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 4, 2022 16:33:56 GMT -5
I was discussing Post's streams in a music server and we brought up the '4th album curse', particularly in relation to albums that did worse than the third. I just wonder if we would've had this same discussion 12 years ago when Rated R didn't do as well as Good Girl Gone Bad Do you have any examples of artists who experienced this fourth album curse? Right. Plus, there have been so many artists over the years that you can probably find examples for every number of release being a curse. That doesn't mean one exists. More generally it's natural that artists will have a decline at some point as no one can sustain popularity for album after album. I can also think of plenty of fourth albums that were huge for the artist - Daydream, Like A Prayer, Encore, Red, Falling Into You (English albums), Views (even if you count his EP as one he still had a big fourth album), 808s & Heartbreak, etc. |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 4, 2022 16:34:48 GMT -5
Was Gaga’s fourth album really that much of a drop from her third though? Artpop sold 781k and Joanne 649k in the US. Both are platinum. Unless you’re taking worldwide stats. Wikipedia lists Artpop as 2.5 million and Joanne at 1 million ww. Artpop had 2 decent sized hits and Joanne had whatever million reasons was. I’d put Gaga more in a third album curse than a fourth one because both aren’t that far from each other all things considered. The Fame Monster is considered a separate era by many, so I guess to an extent ARTOP is the fourth album curse people mean when referencing Gaga. Technically speaking TFM was an EP (although with 3 singles it honestly misewell be its own album). |
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Post by ontopofthis on Jun 4, 2022 16:41:45 GMT -5
The first two are not going to reach diamond this decade using your rate. They are at 6x Platinum eligible, and there is 7.5 years left this decade. 500k multiplied by 7.5 years = 3.75 million. RIAA also includes all official video streams, whereas the total numbers I quoted are estimated Billboard units which only included video streams since 2019. Right, I fixed it to their recent rates which is when he has been on hiatus and hasn’t released any albums. Once artists release more albums and get more hits their catalog streams actually tends to *increase*, if not stay the same and make up for any small declines. Teenage Dream was released 6, 8, and 9 years before his first 3 albums. Why on Earth are you bragging about it reaching 9x Platinum soon in comparison to them? Especially when I literally just show you within 10 years they will also all be near 9x Platinim. Literally using his numbers RIGHT now his albums would be eligible for: - 6x Platinum - 6x Platinum - 6x Platinum (however the label moved Sunflowers units under the Spider-Man Soundtrack with RIAA) This equals 18x Platinum. Katy’s certifications were updated *this* year and are 3x Platinum, 9x Platinum, and 5x Platinum. A total of 17x Platinum. His first 3 albums are literally already higher for a total amount than Katy’s first 3 albums. And this is with her having YEARS of lead. Clearly he was much more successful…. His first 3 albums were bigger than her first 3 in HALF the time. What is your logic of arguing his peak wasn’t above hers? LMAO. I am just using your numbers, but he surely did not move 1,000,0000 units of Stoney and the one one in 2021 because he would have been in MRCs top ten if that were true. He certifies his projects pretty regularly, and his most recent ones are at 5x platinum in 2021. Nevertheless, the rate does not continue to increase for seven years because of an album that he put out now. It is not even going to be still increasing the week after next, especially with how his current project is performing. What does Teenage Dream being out for a few years more have to do with anything? Born This Way came out around the same time, and that is nowhere near Teenage Dream's numbers either. The point is that he is not going to reach those numbers. You are relying on scenarios that are especially unreasonable given the trajectory of his commercial output |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 4, 2022 16:58:32 GMT -5
I am just using your numbers, but he surely did not move 1,000,0000 units of Stoney and the one one in 2021 because he would have been in MRCs top ten if that were true. He certifies his projects pretty regularly, and his most recent ones are at 5x platinum in 2021. Incorrect. Stoney was certified 3x Platinum in 2018 and then 5x Platinum in 2021. If "he certifies his projects pretty regularly" then why did they not certify the album 4x Platinum at any point?  I didn't say that. Catalog streams increase throughout that era, so for the next year or so Stoney will increase in charting or in worst case, stay relatively steady. Then he goes on a break for a year or so and the charting will have some decrease until his next era where they then increase again and so forth. The older an album gets the more steady overtime it will stabilize. You don't see a 20 year old album fluctuating largely in popularity each week like a 6 month old new album. Because all of Post's albums are less than 6 years old. When Teenage Dream was under 6 years old the highest it was eligible for was 7x Platinum. It was in the same ballpark as Post's albums. And guess what? Post's albums are all charting better than Teenage Dream was at their age. Which is why it's important to realize that in the long run, when they have over 12 years of units, like Teenage Dream -- they will be in a similar range. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jun 4, 2022 17:23:45 GMT -5
all of this talk about Post Malone, yet no one mentioned his best song this year: I actually did ... last week. |
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Post by atg on Jun 4, 2022 18:49:43 GMT -5
Was there even that much promotion for TCT? I don’t remember seeing anything indicating that he was going to release besides a social media post and that’s all.
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Post by 85la on Jun 5, 2022 0:49:36 GMT -5
This Post Malone era (so far) is definitely a flop by every measure and metric and we can say that because he had three MASSIVE consecutive album eras. Not just one. Or two. THREE. So, yes, while it might have been somewhat unrealistic to expect his fourth album era to match the performance of his last three, having this much of a drop is more than just a mere underperformance. It's a flop, if only for his standards. It's so crazy to me that 9 months ago, so many people on here were boldly calling CLB a flop/underperformance for Drake and in the time since then, we've seen follow-up albums from artists who were DOMINATING in 2019/2020/2021 outright FLOP and the same people who called CLB a flop era for Drake have all the excuses for those other artists. Perspective really is everything. With that being said, Post Malone should be fine. I want to believe he's established enough as a touring act to still be able to sell out arenas off the back of his first three albums. Plus, he's got his Posty Fest. I will say, it's definitely interesting how many acts who debuted in the last 3-7 years, saw massive amounts of success and were being looked to as the future of the music industry, have cooled off now. It's damning that the biggest artists right now are still the Drakes and the Taylors of the world, the same acts who dominated the last decade. I definitely agree with the bolded point, however I don't remember anyone (or hardly anyone) calling CLB a flop, and although it's had amazing longevity, early on I don't think it would have been completely unfair to call it an underperformance (for Drake). Of course, many different artists across many different eras have experienced all types of levels and durations of success and odd trajectories, so it's not just in the last 3-7 years that many artists have experienced only relatively brief periods of success and superstardom, ofteh with just one or two albums across a couple to a few years. Some well-known ones that come to mind are Outkast, 50 Cent, Ciara, Kesha, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis, and The Chainsmokers. So, while I agree that so far the indications are that Post is flopping, I don't know why you would say "he should be fine," because it is hard (though not impossible of course) to come back from a flop. Yes it is only two days in and he could stabilize and come to have good longevity like Drake and create a real hit or two further down the line with this album, or even have future successes if this album totally flops, but so far it's really not looking good for him at this point. |
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Post by After Minutes on Jun 5, 2022 3:14:36 GMT -5
This Post Malone era (so far) is definitely a flop by every measure and metric and we can say that because he had three MASSIVE consecutive album eras. Not just one. Or two. THREE. So, yes, while it might have been somewhat unrealistic to expect his fourth album era to match the performance of his last three, having this much of a drop is more than just a mere underperformance. It's a flop, if only for his standards. It's so crazy to me that 9 months ago, so many people on here were boldly calling CLB a flop/underperformance for Drake and in the time since then, we've seen follow-up albums from artists who were DOMINATING in 2019/2020/2021 outright FLOP and the same people who called CLB a flop era for Drake have all the excuses for those other artists. Perspective really is everything. With that being said, Post Malone should be fine. I want to believe he's established enough as a touring act to still be able to sell out arenas off the back of his first three albums. Plus, he's got his Posty Fest. I will say, it's definitely interesting how many acts who debuted in the last 3-7 years, saw massive amounts of success and were being looked to as the future of the music industry, have cooled off now. It's damning that the biggest artists right now are still the Drakes and the Taylors of the world, the same acts who dominated the last decade. I definitely agree with the bolded point, however I don't remember anyone (or hardly anyone) calling CLB a flop, and although it's had amazing longevity, early on I don't think it would have been completely unfair to call it an underperformance (for Drake). Of course, many different artists across many different eras have experienced all types of levels and durations of success and odd trajectories, so it's not just in the last 3-7 years that many artists have experienced only relatively brief periods of success and superstardom, ofteh with just one or two albums across a couple to a few years. Some well-known ones that come to mind are Outkast, 50 Cent, Ciara, Kesha, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis, and The Chainsmokers. So, while I agree that so far the indications are that Post is flopping, I don't know why you would say "he should be fine," because it is hard (though not impossible of course) to come back from a flop. Yes it is only two days in and he could stabilize and come to have good longevity like Drake and create a real hit or two further down the line with this album, or even have future successes if this album totally flops, but so far it's really not looking good for him at this point. There are different types of flops or underperformances. If the album itself underperforms but the singles do fine, and that will most likely be the case with TCT (and = by Ed, while we're at it), then it wouldn't be nearly as impossible to get back on track. If the album flops commercially but received critical acclaim and is beloved by fans (Joanne, for example) then it shouldn't be an issue. Of the album itself does well but there are no hits off it, then it also isn't really that worrying (Happier Than Ever). But if an album is panned, doesn't have hits and is itself a massive underperformance, then yeah, it might just end an artist's career (whatever Roddy's last album was called) |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 5, 2022 4:46:46 GMT -5
Was there even that much promotion for TCT? I don’t remember seeing anything indicating that he was going to release besides a social media post and that’s all. Too busy beefing with the label. This is one of those albums where the artist will probably refuse to acknowledge once the era is over. - Post down to one song top 10 on Apple at #9. This is just disastrous. |
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Post by lugus15 on Jun 5, 2022 4:54:50 GMT -5
People have just moved on from Post Malone. White people are over him and moved on to Jack Harlow, Black people weren't really into him in the first place, most saw thru his cultural vampiric act.
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Post by iHype. on Jun 5, 2022 5:00:01 GMT -5
People have just moved on from Post Malone. White people are over him and moved on to Jack Harlow, Black people weren't really into him in the first place, most saw thru his cultural vampiric act. How come everytime someone peaks/falls off it always has to be attributed to people 'moving onto someone else'? Lol. Jack Harlow's album was horribly received and is nowhere as big as Post's 2016-2019 music. Post declined because a lack of strong hits this time, a break/being off-the radar, weak output, and naturally he was bound to decline from the peak he was pulling. |
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Post by After Minutes on Jun 5, 2022 5:25:42 GMT -5
People have just moved on from Post Malone. White people are over him and moved on to Jack Harlow, Black people weren't really into him in the first place, most saw thru his cultural vampiric act. Post is expected to sell more than Jack first week |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 5, 2022 5:46:32 GMT -5
Jack Harlow basically failed with his album, which is sad to see. I never even listened it in full, it was so sub-par.
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Post by Darkest Hour on Jun 5, 2022 6:08:24 GMT -5
Post Malone and Jack Harlow don't even attract the same crowd? Like Post often wears shirts of country artists, which is something Jack Harlow never did to my knowledge.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 5, 2022 6:58:51 GMT -5
This Post Malone era (so far) is definitely a flop by every measure and metric and we can say that because he had three MASSIVE consecutive album eras. Not just one. Or two. THREE. So, yes, while it might have been somewhat unrealistic to expect his fourth album era to match the performance of his last three, having this much of a drop is more than just a mere underperformance. It's a flop, if only for his standards. It's so crazy to me that 9 months ago, so many people on here were boldly calling CLB a flop/underperformance for Drake and in the time since then, we've seen follow-up albums from artists who were DOMINATING in 2019/2020/2021 outright FLOP and the same people who called CLB a flop era for Drake have all the excuses for those other artists. Perspective really is everything. With that being said, Post Malone should be fine. I want to believe he's established enough as a touring act to still be able to sell out arenas off the back of his first three albums. Plus, he's got his Posty Fest. I will say, it's definitely interesting how many acts who debuted in the last 3-7 years, saw massive amounts of success and were being looked to as the future of the music industry, have cooled off now. It's damning that the biggest artists right now are still the Drakes and the Taylors of the world, the same acts who dominated the last decade. I definitely agree with the bolded point, however I don't remember anyone (or hardly anyone) calling CLB a flop, and although it's had amazing longevity, early on I don't think it would have been completely unfair to call it an underperformance (for Drake). Of course, many different artists across many different eras have experienced all types of levels and durations of success and odd trajectories, so it's not just in the last 3-7 years that many artists have experienced only relatively brief periods of success and superstardom, ofteh with just one or two albums across a couple to a few years. Some well-known ones that come to mind are Outkast, 50 Cent, Ciara, Kesha, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis, and The Chainsmokers. So, while I agree that so far the indications are that Post is flopping, I don't know why you would say "he should be fine," because it is hard (though not impossible of course) to come back from a flop. Yes it is only two days in and he could stabilize and come to have good longevity like Drake and create a real hit or two further down the line with this album, or even have future successes if this album totally flops, but so far it's really not looking good for him at this point. You might not remember, but there were definitely people on here acting like CLB was some major flop for Drake and most of the reasoning behind it was that the album didn't have any massive hits like God's Plan/Nice for What/In My Feelings. People also said the album wouldn't have any longevity as a result but that's by the way. What I meant by saying Post would be fine is that even if he never goes back to being half the commercial force he used to be, he still has 3 massive album eras under his belt with at least a dozen hits. That's more than most of his peers can say for themselves but mostly I meant that he was wise to have established himself as a viable touring act before now. I feel the same way about Billie Eilish. She might never score another smash hit and she might never have an album as successful as her debut effort but she was able to build a fanbase that will sell out arena shows whenever she announces them. That's what's most important because that's how musicians make the most of their money anyways so in that regard, they'll be fine. Ed Sheeran is in that boat as well. |
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