BEYONCÉ: 'act i: RENAISSANCE' Era

[adamalterlago]

Aug 2, 2022 12:17:12 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Aug 2, 2022 12:13:16 GMT -5 adamalterlago said:

This has MANY of the elements of the house music i know from the 90s. I hear a lot of Chicago house specifically.

true, there are some, but then they are ruined by her voice and lack of melodic tone. Where are the melodies? Virgo's Groove is pretty good I guess.

Guess this one isn’t for you. I mean if you don’t like her voice, which I mean millions of people do as she’s one of the best vocalists today, I don’t really know what to say.

[SPRΞΞ]

Aug 2, 2022 12:23:31 GMT -5 adamalterlago said:

Aug 2, 2022 12:17:12 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

true, there are some, but then they are ruined by her voice and lack of melodic tone. Where are the melodies? Virgo's Groove is pretty good I guess.

Guess this one isn’t for you. I mean if you don’t like her voice, which I mean millions of people do as she’s one of the best vocalists today, I don’t really know what to say.

Yea give me Doja Cat’s flirty, melodic vocal tone anyday. But again, Break My Soul is a classic. Gotta give her props for that. I know she is considered a good vocalist, but I just don’t like her tone.

[Koochie]

Aug 2, 2022 12:23:31 GMT -5 adamalterlago said:

I mean if you don’t like her voice, which I mean millions of people do as she’s one of the best vocalists today

what on earth does this have to do with his opinion 💀

[kimberly]

what an eventful release week

[Ivy Leegue™]

LOL this thread. My box arrives on Monday. FINALLY! Can't wait!! On a positive note, at least I am getting the original version!

[Koochie]

Aug 2, 2022 13:20:51 GMT -5 kimberly said:

what an eventful release week

respectable move on her part tbh

[wavey.]

Aug 2, 2022 13:20:51 GMT -5 kimberly said:

what an eventful release week

Lol well gdamn. It's definitely would suprise me if there wasn't a slight of drams with every era 🙃

[R.K.]

Pop Crave spreading misinformation… Kelis was never credited. The sample was for the beat, so the credit was always for Pharrell and Chad, her vocals weren’t used in the track. The “la la”s were sung by Beyoncé over the track, which might be why Kelis thought it was a deliberate jab at her bc this meant they no longer needed to involve her in the process. Check your CD credits.

[kimberly]

Aug 2, 2022 13:44:27 GMT -5 R.K. said:

Pop Crave spreading misinformation… Kelis was never credited. The sample was for the beat, so the credit was always for Pharrell and Chad, her vocals weren’t used in the track. The “la la”s were sung by Beyoncé over the track, which might be why Kelis thought it was a deliberate jab at her bc this meant they no longer needed to involve her in the process. Check your CD credits.

they deleted the tweet now 

[jenglisbe]

Aug 2, 2022 3:08:18 GMT -5 shayonce said:

he didn't say that. y'all are saying that.

having long list of songwriter credit happens mostly in recent black music ,driven by hip hop culture.
yes. race does matter in that context. lol only if you knew.

also sampled song's songwriter getting songwriter credit, producers getting songwriter credit, anyone contribute to the song even if just 1 line getting songwriter credit.
all this are basic 101 for professional songwriter in 2022. she was being shady on purpose then pretending it's pure question. lol

“Whole lotta playing the victim and the villain at the same time”

I've heard the song people assume Warren was referring to is "Alien Superstar." That song has several samples that total 7 writers by my count. So, there are still 17 credited writers on the song when not considering the samples. To that point, Dream's tweet doesn't seem relevant as the samples only account for 30% of the writers. (For the record I don't even care about the 24 writers thing; I am just trying to wade through the logic being used.)

Aug 2, 2022 10:29:36 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Don’t let anyone tell anyone that sampling old music doesn’t require any amount of creativity, skill or talent. 2 songwriters or 20 songwriters, if the song is good, their job was done.

Sampling can certainly be creative and done well, but it can also be lazy. I just point that out to say we shouldn't really make any blanket statements here (not saying you did either; your post just made me think about it since sampling seems to be a general discussion point this week).

[Choco]

Diane Warren should have known better than to tweet that. She knew what she was doing.

[kimberly]

projections updated:

[🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾]

[Rican@]

Aug 2, 2022 10:29:36 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Aug 1, 2022 20:09:19 GMT -5 Rican@ said:

I’m speaking more about when it started to be added on to writing credit. I know it started before the 90s. You made my clear point about other black artists who didn’t rely on sampling.

Hip hop’s roots are in sampling though, rapping over record loops. Crediting for samples didn’t become a thing until the early 90s when lawsuits starting coming up. I’m sure if credits were expanded on with early hip-hop records, the list of names would be a lot longer too - but then it’s really just a technicality at that point just as now when names of sampled works are listed alongside songwriters of the new song. It’s done to avoid lawsuits. Don’t let anyone tell anyone that sampling old music doesn’t require any amount of creativity, skill or talent. 2 songwriters or 20 songwriters, if the song is good, their job was done.

Hip hop isn’t new to me. I’m quite familiar and that’s not my debate. Again, it’s my opinion on how I see sampling. I don’t find it creative. It’s a personal taste. Yes, here and there is fine; however, if an album is filled with sampling and interloping where is the originality in it? This album is an example of that. Even the song with 24 writers, seven of them come from the samples. And then there are 7 producers—don’t get me started on 7 producers for one song ugh. That could still leave 10 to 11 writers on one song. The lyrics aren’t groundbreaking. The first three songs are basically saying the same thing. This is why I called The Dream stupid.

[R.K.]

Aug 2, 2022 14:53:55 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Aug 2, 2022 13:44:27 GMT -5 R.K. said:

Pop Crave spreading misinformation… Kelis was never credited. The sample was for the beat, so the credit was always for Pharrell and Chad, her vocals weren’t used in the track. The “la la”s were sung by Beyoncé over the track, which might be why Kelis thought it was a deliberate jab at her bc this meant they no longer needed to involve her in the process. Check your CD credits.

they deleted the tweet now 

The internet ran with it anyway…

Kelis is wrong about a lot of this but she’s not wrong when she called them sheep…

[J'back]

Beyoncé’s RENAISSANCE (Parkwood/Columbia) opens at #1 with a midweek projection of 325k. 200k will come from pure album sales. Bad Bunny is once again north of 100k with Un Verano Sin Ti (Rimas), which nonetheless drops to #2.

The CD configuration of Verano is due Friday, perhaps setting up a battle for #1 the following week.

Also debuting in the Top 20 will be new releases from K-pop artists ATEEZ and ENHYPHEN with THE WORLD EP.1: MOVEMENT (KQ) and MANIFESTO: DAY 1 (BELIFT LAB), respectively, and $uicideboy$’ Sing Me a Lullaby, My Sweet Temptation (G59).

[Deleted]

Beyonce counting her coins while fans feud on the internet. I dont understand why Stan’s go to such great lengths, at the end of the day it doesn’t change a damn thing, the only thing that’s changed is the amount of time you have left until you’re dead, and you spent it feuding someone that doesn’t even know you’re alive…just relax, enjoy the music, or not, and move on with your life.

[J'back]

Aug 2, 2022 16:37:17 GMT -5 @silver16 said:

Beyonce counting her coins while fans feud on the internet. I dont understand why Stan’s go to such great lengths, at the end of the day it doesn’t change a damn thing, the only thing that’s changed is the amount of time you have left until you’re dead, and you spent it feuding someone that doesn’t even know you’re alive…just relax, enjoy the music, or not, and move on with your life.

The stan's love Beyonce at least.
It's the people obsessed and critical of everything about her when they don't even "care" that are the true loons.

Relaxing Cup has more posts in this thread then me, girl when Bey told you to quit your job, she thought you would do something positive with your time, maybe you can join spree at the cigar lounge. I'd tell you to go suck a dick, but girl you already a breeding ground of garbage, don't need you spreading Monkey Pox along with your other non sense.

[Relaxing Cup]

Aug 2, 2022 12:10:11 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

I've barely ever been in this thread, cuz I am no Beyonce fan. Unfortunately, it continues. I just can't get into this album AT ALL. Her voice just irritates tf outta me. And this wasn't the house music I was expecting, or have come to know since the 90's. This is music you might hear at a cigar lounge or something. Certainly not at the club. Break My Soul is good tho. But again, she's completely overrated by the media as usual.

i agree, her voice is UNPLEASANT. Sounds like a robot. I wonder what happened to it? Sounds bad on every song, some I couldn’t even finish.

[kimberly]

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 2, 2022 15:03:01 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Aug 2, 2022 10:29:36 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Don’t let anyone tell anyone that sampling old music doesn’t require any amount of creativity, skill or talent. 2 songwriters or 20 songwriters, if the song is good, their job was done.

Sampling can certainly be creative and done well, but it can also be lazy. I just point that out to say we shouldn't really make any blanket statements here (not saying you did either; your post just made me think about it since sampling seems to be a general discussion point this week).

It’s a moot point though. We can cite anything that requires creativity and talent and add that it can be done lazily too. Not sure that needs to be said in regards to this particular comment. Unless you want to join me in the 30 thread to talk about the talent of strong vocalists and the laziness of Adele’s last album.

[Deleted]

Aug 2, 2022 16:57:20 GMT -5 kimberly said:

[kidrockthemic]

There is so much goodness on this album I'm still laughing and listening.
The amount of creativity and intentionality that went into pulling this album together is astonishing.
And the singing is ALL there. The melodies, the harmonies, the vocal prowess is all there.
This is not for the girls who can only find a melody if it alternates between 3 monotones like what's popular on radio now lol.

5/5 for me across the board.

[R.K.]

Oh great, now the news sites are reporting the false “sample removal” story. I hope Pop Crave is proud of themselves… We are truly living in the age of misinformation.

[SHOOTER]

I’ve decided this album is B'Day grown AF in VIP. Not the maturation of her sound I was expecting but this deconstruction and rebuild of dance music is also everything I didn’t know I needed (and B'Day also had plenty of its own lyrical choices so I can’t even fault her much here). Truly the bar.

[Caviar]

[Sir Benji]

The sample/interpolation has definitely been removed. It was the background vocals during the transition into the Big freedia sample the “la la la la” it’s the la la’s from Milkshake sped up.

This is already her most polarizing release imo and it hasn’t even been out a week lol

I’m about to go order a physical copy I want to hear the art as intended an edit is fine but the removing and re-recording gets annoying.

[jenglisbe]

I think people have always noted that Monica Lewinsky line in "Partition" was incorrect, but I didn't read Monica's tweet as actually asking for it to be redone. Everyone knows what Beyonce (or whichever of the 8 writers wrote the line) meant. It's a non-issue.

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[R.K.]

Aug 2, 2022 20:26:24 GMT -5 Sir Benji said:

The sample/interpolation has definitely been removed. It was the background vocals during the transition into the Big freedia sample the “la la la la” it’s the la la’s from Milkshake sped up.

This is already her most polarizing release imo and it hasn’t even been out a week lol

I’m about to go order a physical copy I want to hear the art as intended an edit is fine but the removing and re-recording gets annoying.

The la la la la was never Kelis' original vocals, someone isolated that part and it was obviously Beyonce singing it. So either way she never had to credit Kelis since Kelis was not credited as a writer for Milkshake nor does she own the master. Her removing the background vocals is rather pointless bc it doesn't actually change anything regarding credits.