Billboard Hot 100: 08/20/2022

[Gary]

Aug 8, 2022 17:41:22 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 8, 2022 17:34:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

Not likely


Hopelessly Devoted To You and other songs seem to be better candidates based on early itunes

How is it not likely? Everyone knows that song whereas her other songs, its mostly just old people that know them. As a member of Gen Z, I can confirm that most of our generation doesn't know any song of hers but Physical. It's obviously her most remembered song. Therefore, I feel like that would be the song that would be the highest on this week's chart.

Tricky thing about that. "Biggest hit" really only means biggest hit of the day, not necessarily her most remembered project which is likely Grease

As she was in a couple movies too and most of the headlines are referencing her role in 'Grease'(her biggest movie role), I am thinking those songs will likely win out over Physical. Early itunes numbers seem to be heading that way.

[Push The Button]

Somebody needs to start doing the work to get Grease certified correctly. There has to be a paper trail SOMEWHERE that can fill in the gaps. It should be 18-20x platinum by now.

[Gary]

The original label RSO records - long ago - defunct --- if it was going to happen, would have happened by now

[jdanton2]

i thought it might be possible that You're The One That I Want would be the highest charting song . it has the most streams on Spotify and gets the most plays on oldie stations. so far on itunes it is ranked third among her songs behind Hopelessly Devoted and Magic.

[kindofbiased]

I think the Grease songs are gonna do the best, but people definitely still know and love Physical even if it may not be as well remembered as some other smash 80s hits

I had no idea how long she'd been fighting breast cancer, it seems like she's really done a lot for other people going through that as well. Rest in peace

[dragonslair]

Aug 8, 2022 17:41:22 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 8, 2022 17:34:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

Not likely


Hopelessly Devoted To You and other songs seem to be better candidates based on early itunes

How is it not likely? Everyone knows that song whereas her other songs, its mostly just old people that know them. As a member of Gen Z, I can confirm that most of our generation doesn't know any song of hers but Physical. It's obviously her most remembered song. Therefore, I feel like that would be the song that would be the highest on this week's chart.

Ya know, sometimes music can chart without Gen Z support,  just sayin'

[Envoirment]

Happy to see Kate Bush still getting such good radio updates! Lizzo's airplay is likely to fall quite a bit as she's starting to fall at the same time on multiple formats. I don't think Harry's is going to consistently fall though with how well it's been holding up. Even with his second single still climbing in airplay and a 3rd now being pushed. Although I could hope his current update is the start of many...!

Overall Kate has around 30 million AI potential to gain. I can see her topping out around 100-105 million audience and getting the #1 on radio songs.

I don't think Kate has much of a chance at #1 on the Hot 100 now that Harry is back ahead of her on Spotify/Apple Music unless he starts to fall a lot on radio over the coming weeks and she can create a big gap there (and stay close to his streams/beat him in sales as she has been). Beyoncé will likely fall behind Kate with her sales and streaming falling quite a bit although if she releases the music video that could give her another week or two at #1. Lizzo should also fall behind Kate now her airplay is diminishing quite a bit (she's quite far behind on streaming).

There seems to be a small window for Kate to still get to #1 in 2-3 weeks with her airplay continuing to grow. She just needs the others ahead of her to start falling in airplay more.

[kcdawg13]

Sunroof seems like the kind of song that's gonna bottom out once summer ends, I don't really see it doing much throughout the fall, especially since radio took so long to jump on it like they usually do with viral hits. The original TikTok trend using the track was earlier this year lmaoo

[dragonslair]

As a chart purist, it would be great (though I do not see it) for RUTH to go #1 it would be awesome to see nowadays a song go to #1, simply based on the song, no gimmicks, no remixes, no cough digital alternate cover etc.. mcworld

[M5AGTS]

Aug 8, 2022 18:18:07 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 8, 2022 17:41:22 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

How is it not likely? Everyone knows that song whereas her other songs, its mostly just old people that know them. As a member of Gen Z, I can confirm that most of our generation doesn't know any song of hers but Physical. It's obviously her most remembered song. Therefore, I feel like that would be the song that would be the highest on this week's chart.

Ya know, sometimes music can chart without Gen Z support,  just sayin'

I know that, I'm just saying Physical would have a bigger audience cause old and young people know it, whereas with other songs, only one specific audience knows them.

[Az Paynter]

You sure do make a lot of assumptions about what other people do or don't know.

[kimberly]

Aug 8, 2022 18:40:28 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 8, 2022 18:18:07 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Ya know, sometimes music can chart without Gen Z support,  just sayin'

I know that, I'm just saying Physical would have a bigger audience cause old and young people know it, whereas with other songs, only one specific audience knows them.

"Physical" is her biggest hit by a mile so I think you're right, I think it'll be the biggest streamer for the rest of the week.
Wouldn't be surprised to see "You're The One That I Want" as the highest charting either, that's another classic that transcends generations.

[Gary]

In the Grease vs Physical thing

Physical is one song - certainly the biggest hit based on chart performance and so forth

But that was her biggest hit based on the market as it existed in 1981-1982

Grease on the other hand - had the music and a starring role. A big movie in its day as well and in all the subsequent re-releases and still a widely popular movie.




The fact that Physical had a better chart run initially is irrelevant now. It is what are most remembering her for NOW.

With all the celebrity tributes quoting 'Hopeless Devoted To You' and references to her movie roles - not a surprise that Physical may lag behind a bit

[jenglisbe]

For one, we are talking literally half the chart week being relevant - 3.5 days. Unless there are record sales and/or streams, I don't see there being much Hot 100 impact since few of her songs aren't likely to be top 50 based on 3.5 days.

[dragonslair]

The top songs that pop into my mind when I hear ONJ name are;
Physical
If you love me let me know
You're the one that I want
A little more love
Have you never been mellow

* not a ranking of what I like most.

[Push The Button]

How does Gen Z know “Physical” over Grease?

[dragonslair]

Aug 8, 2022 19:00:42 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

How does Gen Z know “Physical” over Grease?

Serious question not being a part of Gen Z.  Do they regularly go back and watch movies from the 70s?

[kimberly]

Aug 8, 2022 19:00:42 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

How does Gen Z know “Physical” over Grease?

I think this perception might be because Grease is a bit too old to be a huge part of Gen Z upbringing unless you're particularly into musicals, given people in the older end of Gen Z were born 20 years after the film was released, while someone who is an active user on this board will likely have some familiarity with her biggest chart hit / her career as a musician.

I see what you all are saying though, it seems like people are gravitating more towards Grease than "Physical," even though "Physical" is the first song that pops in my mind when I personally think of ONJ. let me go stream.

[Push The Button]

Aug 8, 2022 19:13:06 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 8, 2022 19:00:42 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

How does Gen Z know “Physical” over Grease?

Serious question not being a part of Gen Z.  Do they regularly go back and watch movies from the 70s?

I mean…it is still played on TV every week. It was just remade for a live performance on Fox. The 1998 re-release was massive - both at the box office and on the Billboard 200. Are they regularly listening to Pop hits from 1981?

Has Gen Z not seen Star Wars? Jaws? The Godfather?

[Push The Button]

Aug 8, 2022 19:23:37 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Aug 8, 2022 19:00:42 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

How does Gen Z know “Physical” over Grease?

I think this perception might be because Grease is a bit too old to be a huge part of Gen Z upbringing unless you're particularly into musicals, given people in the older end of Gen Z were born 20 years after the film was released, while someone who is an active user on this board will likely have some familiarity with her biggest chart hit / her career as a musician.

I see what you all are saying though, it seems like people are gravitating more towards Grease than "Physical," even though "Physical" is the first song that pops in my mind when I personally think of ONJ. let me go stream.

Well, “Physical” came out a mere three years after Grease, so I’m not sure how much age would have to do with it.

[Gary]

The Grease Megamix even charted on Radio Songs in late 1996 (top 25) - Would have been Hot 100 if it had been a single

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I'm somewhere between Millennials and Gen Z, and I'm not familiar with the movie, but I am with the soundtrack, especially You're The One That I Want. You don't have to watch the movie to know the music (Whitney's The Bodyguard for example). When I joined Pulse 5 years ago, I discovered Physical only because I saw the 80s decade-end list and realized I had never heard the biggest song of the decade.

[kimberly]

Aug 8, 2022 19:34:07 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

Aug 8, 2022 19:23:37 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I think this perception might be because Grease is a bit too old to be a huge part of Gen Z upbringing unless you're particularly into musicals, given people in the older end of Gen Z were born 20 years after the film was released, while someone who is an active user on this board will likely have some familiarity with her biggest chart hit / her career as a musician.

I see what you all are saying though, it seems like people are gravitating more towards Grease than "Physical," even though "Physical" is the first song that pops in my mind when I personally think of ONJ. let me go stream.

Well, “Physical” came out a mere three years after Grease, so I’m not sure how much age would have to do with it.

that wasn't exactly my point—though I do think songs being shorter and reused all the time (see "Prisoner" by Miley Cyrus & Dua Lipa and "Kiss Me More" by Doja Cat & SZA both sampling/interpolating "Physical") does help them age less.

my point was that Gen Z is probably not that familiar with Grease or "Physical," but it makes sense any Gen Z on Pulse Music Board would think "Physical" is more culturally significant, since music and charts are probably among their top interests (while musicals and film may not be).

Edit:

Aug 8, 2022 19:38:39 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I'm somewhere between Millennials and Gen Z, and I'm not familiar with the movie, but I am with the soundtrack, especially You're The One That I Want. You don't have to watch the movie to know the music (Whitney's The Bodyguard for example). When I joined Pulse 5 years ago, I discovered Physical only because I saw the 80s decade-end list and realized I had never heard the biggest song of the decade.

that's a really good point. I'm also around the same age as you I think, and "Physical" and "You're the One That I Want" are really the only two songs of hers I know well enough that I could perform them at a karaoke bar. But "Physical" and its music video are iconic to me, idk. Not sure when I first heard the song, it's one I feel like I've always known somehow.

[Push The Button]

Aug 8, 2022 19:39:10 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Aug 8, 2022 19:34:07 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

Well, “Physical” came out a mere three years after Grease, so I’m not sure how much age would have to do with it.

that wasn't exactly my point—though I do think songs being shorter and reused all the time (see "Prisoner" by Miley Cyrus & Dua Lipa and "Kiss Me More" by Doja Cat & SZA both sampling/interpolating "Physical") does help them age less.

my point was that Gen Z is probably not that familiar with Grease or "Physical," but it makes sense any Gen Z on Pulse Music Board would think "Physical" is more culturally significant, since music and charts are probably among their top interests (while musicals and film may not be).

I gotcha. I thought you were talking about Gen Z as a whole, not just on the board.

[Gary]

Before we get too far - reminder on what started this

So I'm assuming Physical is returning this week.

My repsonse

Not likely



Grease and Xanadu songs seem to be better candidates based on early itunes movement

comment to my post

How is it not likely? Everyone knows that song whereas her other songs, its mostly just old people that know them. As a member of Gen Z, I can confirm that most of our generation doesn't know any song of hers but Physical. It's obviously her most remembered song. Therefore, I feel like that would be the song that would be the highest on this week's chart.

Not saying Physical wasn't the biggest hit or whatever but it is not playing out as the most remembered song TODAY. When most people remember Olivia Newton-John it seems that the first thing that comes up is her role in 'Grease'. The headlines 'Pop Star and Grease star Olivia Newton John dies' probably helps with that I think with 'Physical' 10 weeks at #1 being relegated to a footnote

[dragonslair]

Aug 8, 2022 18:52:32 GMT -5 Gary said:

In the Grease vs Physical thing

Physical is one song - certainly the biggest hit based on chart performance and so forth

But that was her biggest hit based on the market as it existed in 1981-1982

Grease on the other hand - had the music and a starring role. A big movie in its day as well and in all the subsequent re-releases and still a widely popular movie.




The fact that Physical had a better chart run initially is irrelevant now. It is what are most remembering her for NOW.

With all the celebrity tributes quoting 'Hopeless Devoted To You' and references to her movie roles - not a surprise that Physical may lag behind a bit

Physical was more than just a song and big video.  It is and always will be associated with the birth of the exercise industry.  It had just as big a cultural impact, but in a different way than Grease (aka movie impact).  While I have no idea now how physical is doing, well into the late 90s it remained a floor filler st multigenerational events like weddings, anniversaries etc.

like any song, it really all boils down to the person, and their life experiences as to what one impacts them most And they are more likely to have come across,  pulse being a music forum probably isn't considered a good sample group.

[Groovy]

Physical is at 30 on iTunes behind 7 of her songs.

[Gary]

Aug 8, 2022 20:02:42 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 8, 2022 18:52:32 GMT -5 Gary said:

In the Grease vs Physical thing

Physical is one song - certainly the biggest hit based on chart performance and so forth

But that was her biggest hit based on the market as it existed in 1981-1982

Grease on the other hand - had the music and a starring role. A big movie in its day as well and in all the subsequent re-releases and still a widely popular movie.




The fact that Physical had a better chart run initially is irrelevant now. It is what are most remembering her for NOW.

With all the celebrity tributes quoting 'Hopeless Devoted To You' and references to her movie roles - not a surprise that Physical may lag behind a bit

Physical was more than just a song and big video.  It is and always will be associated with the birth of the exercise industry.  It had just as big a cultural impact, but in a different way than Grease (aka movie impact).  While I have no idea now how physical is doing, well into the late 90s it remained a floor filler st multigenerational events like weddings, anniversaries etc.

like any song, it really all boils down to the person, and their life experiences as to what one impacts them most And they are more likely to have come across,  pulse being a music forum probably isn't considered a good sample group.

Read my prior post

Not trying to belittle 'Physical' and its chart run and impact on early 80s culture

In the here and now it is clear though that when people remember Olivia Newton-John the first thing that is popping up is the Grease role and its associated music

The current itunes charts tell that story pretty well

[dragonslair]

Aug 8, 2022 20:08:52 GMT -5 Gary said:

Aug 8, 2022 20:02:42 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Physical was more than just a song and big video.  It is and always will be associated with the birth of the exercise industry.  It had just as big a cultural impact, but in a different way than Grease (aka movie impact).  While I have no idea now how physical is doing, well into the late 90s it remained a floor filler st multigenerational events like weddings, anniversaries etc.

like any song, it really all boils down to the person, and their life experiences as to what one impacts them most And they are more likely to have come across,  pulse being a music forum probably isn't considered a good sample group.

Read my prior post

Not trying to belittle 'Physical' and its chart run and impact on early 80s culture

In the here and now it is clear though that when people remember Olivia Newton-John the first thing that is popping up is the Grease role and its associated music

The current itunes charts tell that story pretty well

Driven by the mass media narrative and influencing memories,

[dragonslair]

Aug 8, 2022 20:08:22 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Physical is at 30 on iTunes behind 7 of her songs.

None of them are really going to be big sellers,  the days of superstars heavily impacting the charts because of iTunes sales after their passing are long gone.