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Post by kindofbiased on Aug 8, 2022 20:23:12 GMT -5
idk why were spending so much time arguing over which specific Olivia Newton-John songs people know best rather than just celebrating her life and career lol, she's got a lot of very well known songs regardless
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Post by Gary on Aug 8, 2022 20:26:28 GMT -5
Read my prior post Not trying to belittle 'Physical' and its chart run and impact on early 80s culture In the here and now it is clear though that when people remember Olivia Newton-John the first thing that is popping up is the Grease role and its associated music The current itunes charts tell that story pretty well Driven by the mass media narrative and influencing memories, No more than your memory placing Physical above Grease -- stream or download the Physical song if you'd like and if that is how you choose to remember her work |
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Post by aussie1 on Aug 8, 2022 20:35:39 GMT -5
For one, we are talking literally half the chart week being relevant - 3.5 days. Unless there are record sales and/or streams, I don't see there being much Hot 100 impact since few of her songs aren't likely to be top 50 based on 3.5 days. If I recall Billboard usually makes an exception for when people pass and allow their songs to re-enter below 50. Not that Olivia's death should have a huge impact anyway as it is only half a week of tracking. Regardless we lost an absolute legend and an Aussie icon. Glad to see her music and legacy being revisited. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 8, 2022 20:54:20 GMT -5
Driven by the mass media narrative and influencing memories, No more than your memory placing Physical above Grease -- stream or download the Physical song if you'd like and if that is how you choose to remember her work It was not a ranking, no numbers were used, it was just a list of the five songs that at various times would be the first to pop into my mind at the mention of her name. Depending of course, like most people, on the context her name was mentioned, I'll also remind you that I have never stated which song I think most people would know more nowadays. So I'd appreciate it if you stopped putting words into my mouth. |
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Post by Gary on Aug 8, 2022 21:04:46 GMT -5
No more than your memory placing Physical above Grease -- stream or download the Physical song if you'd like and if that is how you choose to remember her work It was not a ranking, no numbers were used, it was just a list of the five songs that at various times would be the first to pop into my mind at the mention of her name. Depending of course, like most people, on the context her name was mentioned, I'll also remind you that I have never stated which song I think most people would know more nowadays. So I'd appreciate it if you stopped putting words into my mouth. I wasn't referencing your list. I was referencing your statement that the media is steering the public towards Grease and not Physical through a "mass media narrative and influencing memories". If Physical is the most significant work in your eyes and that is how you choose to remember her then so be it. This isn't a big deal...time to move on... Thanks |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 8, 2022 21:07:56 GMT -5
Ya know, sometimes music can chart without Gen Z support, just sayin' I know that, I'm just saying Physical would have a bigger audience cause old and young people know it, whereas with other songs, only one specific audience knows them. as a Gen Z, people my age know ONJ has more than Physical. Grease is still popular and I even remember hearing parts of Magic growing up so no, it's not one specific audience that knows them |
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Post by Limited Edition on Aug 8, 2022 21:08:54 GMT -5
While Harry's music is fairly basic, he is a talented and quirky guy who puts a lot of effort in his career. But the streaming numbers for his latest album are not anything gigantic apart from AIW which is a smash from the second you hear it and rightly so. The 2nd I heard As It Was I thought it was going to have very little longevity because it was so boring. Turns out I was very wrong and I'm still baffled it became the biggest song of the year. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 8, 2022 21:14:42 GMT -5
It was not a ranking, no numbers were used, it was just a list of the five songs that at various times would be the first to pop into my mind at the mention of her name. Depending of course, like most people, on the context her name was mentioned, I'll also remind you that I have never stated which song I think most people would know more nowadays. So I'd appreciate it if you stopped putting words into my mouth. I wasn't referencing your list. I was referencing your statement that the media is steering the public towards Grease and not Physical through a "mass media narrative and influencing memories". If Physical is the most significant work in your eyes and that is how you choose to remember her then so be it. This isn't a big deal...time to move on... Thanks But I didn't say it was, but you keep saying I did. i don't own any of her music, not my usual style. I can still spreciste and know a superstar when I see or hear one. I've only gone to YouTube and played one song today by her and it was not any of the five I listed, one doesn't need to be a Stan to understand music history, and I'll chalk up my knowledge against anybody else's. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Aug 8, 2022 22:52:49 GMT -5
Oh God, what did I start?
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 8, 2022 23:19:01 GMT -5
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Aug 9, 2022 0:20:37 GMT -5
While Harry's music is fairly basicThe 2nd I heard As It Was I thought it was going to have very little longevity because it was so boring. Turns out I was very wrong and I'm still baffled it became the biggest song of the year. not y'all misunderstanding his music. I'm a gay man who lives for high speed dance jams, but even I appreciate the musical complexity of his slower paced stuff |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 9, 2022 0:24:05 GMT -5
The 2nd I heard As It Was I thought it was going to have very little longevity because it was so boring. Turns out I was very wrong and I'm still baffled it became the biggest song of the year. not y'all misunderstanding his music. I'm a gay man who lives for high speed dance jams, but even I appreciate the musical complexity of his slower paced stuff There's nothing to misunderstand. Being slow paced does not mean you can't be exciting or interesting. Harry's House is boring music |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 9, 2022 0:24:34 GMT -5
Oh God, what did I start? you made a statement and people counteracted with other things. that's how dialogues work |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Aug 9, 2022 0:28:38 GMT -5
not y'all misunderstanding his music. I'm a gay man who lives for high speed dance jams, but even I appreciate the musical complexity of his slower paced stuff There's nothing to misunderstand. Being slow paced does not mean you can't be exciting or interesting. Harry's House is boring music I agree a few songs are boring. They were pointing out the masterpiece As It Was |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 9, 2022 0:33:25 GMT -5
There's nothing to misunderstand. Being slow paced does not mean you can't be exciting or interesting. Harry's House is boring music I agree a few songs are boring. They were pointing out the masterpiece As It Was And they weren't wrong because As It Was isn't that good of a song. I'll admit it's one of the better songs in the Top 20 but that's only be default of other songs being worse, not because it's a song that's actively interesting or engaging. |
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Post by kimberly on Aug 9, 2022 0:47:40 GMT -5
I agree a few songs are boring. They were pointing out the masterpiece As It Was And they weren't wrong because As It Was isn't that good of a song. I'll admit it's one of the better songs in the Top 20 but that's only be default of other songs being worse, not because it's a song that's actively interesting or engaging. this is all subjective, I don't think there's much point in arguing and going back and forth. millions of people find it interesting and exciting enough to listen to it week after week, and that's what's relevant to the Hot 100 discussion. not a big fan of Harry's House myself but "As It Was" is a cute bop. I am kind of over it already but again, the gp is still eating it up. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 9, 2022 0:51:20 GMT -5
And they weren't wrong because As It Was isn't that good of a song. I'll admit it's one of the better songs in the Top 20 but that's only be default of other songs being worse, not because it's a song that's actively interesting or engaging. this is all subjective, I don't think there's much point in arguing and going back and forth. millions of people find it interesting and exciting enough to listen to it week after week, and that's what's relevant to the Hot 100 discussion. not a big fan of Harry's House myself but "As It Was" is a cute bop. I am kind of over it already but again, the gp is still eating it up. If you like the song, that's fine all power to u and glad u like it. That said, still think it's a tad odd to say people are "misunderstanding" the song because they don't like it. |
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Post by Normi on Aug 9, 2022 0:59:52 GMT -5
Sometimes y'all argue just to argue
Also how Pulse has changed, some months ago people would still wait some time before discussing how a celebrity's death impacts the chart but now..
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Post by kimberly on Aug 9, 2022 1:09:38 GMT -5
this is all subjective, I don't think there's much point in arguing and going back and forth. millions of people find it interesting and exciting enough to listen to it week after week, and that's what's relevant to the Hot 100 discussion. not a big fan of Harry's House myself but "As It Was" is a cute bop. I am kind of over it already but again, the gp is still eating it up. If you like the song, that's fine all power to u and glad u like it. That said, still think it's a tad odd to say people are "misunderstanding" the song because they don't like it. I didn't mean to single you out, you just happened to be the last response. This whole discussion about whether "As It Was" is boring or complex or whatever is moot. People who like it can think "you don't get it" if you don't, and people who don't like it can say "it's boring, uninteresting, uninspired" if you do, and it can go on forever without reaching any agreement, because it's subjective. It is entirely possible not to "understand" a song and change your mind after reading an explanation, though I don't think "As It Was" will be a case like that for you, knowing who you are haha. I'm quite confident you understand the song—it's pretty straightforward. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 9, 2022 3:54:19 GMT -5
Sometimes y'all argue just to argue Also how Pulse has changed, some months ago people would still wait some time before discussing how a celebrity's death impacts the chart but now.. When was this mythical fime? Not a Whitney, not MJ, not Prince, and certainly not a number of rap artists. Every one had people immediately discusssing the charts and their career. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Aug 9, 2022 6:54:01 GMT -5
As a chart purist, it would be great (though I do not see it) for RUTH to go #1 it would be awesome to see nowadays a song go to #1, simply based on the song, no gimmicks, no remixes, no cough digital alternate cover etc.. mcworld But why was it okay for Harry to put out the digital alternative cover of As It Was on Thursday of Week 5, especially after it spent 3 of its first 4 weeks at #1? |
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Post by mms82 on Aug 9, 2022 7:03:09 GMT -5
As a chart purist, it would be great (though I do not see it) for RUTH to go #1 it would be awesome to see nowadays a song go to #1, simply based on the song, no gimmicks, no remixes, no cough digital alternate cover etc.. mcworld But why was it okay for Harry to put out the digital alternative cover of As It Was on Thursday of Week 5, especially after it spent 3 of its first 4 weeks at #1? Why is it not okay? Digital alternative cover is about as insignificant of a chart boost as it comes |
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Post by joshtheking on Aug 9, 2022 7:11:28 GMT -5
As a chart purist, it would be great (though I do not see it) for RUTH to go #1 it would be awesome to see nowadays a song go to #1, simply based on the song, no gimmicks, no remixes, no cough digital alternate cover etc.. mcworld But why was it okay for Harry to put out the digital alternative cover of As It Was on Thursday of Week 5, especially after it spent 3 of its first 4 weeks at #1? Ah yes cause the digital alternative cover of As It Was completely changed everything |
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Post by Groovy on Aug 9, 2022 7:12:36 GMT -5
I’m surprised that a lot of people here like Enemy, I always thought of it as Believer with a rap verse.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 9, 2022 7:52:57 GMT -5
I’m surprised that a lot of people here like Enemy, I always thought of it as Believer with a rap verse. JID's verse actually assists the song a lot, I've heard the radio edits that cut him out and the song feels really empty. I also think the chorus is catchier than Believer. |
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Post by Mayman on Aug 9, 2022 8:52:38 GMT -5
That seems so tiring and unenjoyable, constantly wondering if an artist is declining whether or not they're 13 years into their career. Not really, I mean it's done as a discussion not a gripe. Like asking can Kiss still Have hits off their gimmick, or can Jagger go on forever? It's all just mixed in with taking sbiut the music. Kind of like how people mix in talking about aging in Hollywood and remaining relevant there. you wouldn't do it for say anything author, they just write TIL they die, and sometimes past then  but we all know in terms of music charts that everyone has expiration date. Apparently it's okay though to discuss a woman won't chart because she is now in her forties or fifties, and when they do it's a rare exception, but we can't discuss other artists apparently, just the approved pulse list. It's all fine here to talk about m5 and alevine and how he's done and not relevant, as pulse has tried to do since like 2013. But Drake, nope! Bold of you to say Enemy was ever any good. It's Pulse, they've had a hate on for ID since they started. But then not surprising, Pulse hates almost anything with a twinge of rock to it. It's gotta be either rap, female, or a gay anthem. Registered: May 5, 2022 |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 9, 2022 9:12:19 GMT -5
US Spotify - 08/08/22
1(=) Steve Lacy - Bad Habit 1,577,842 (+67,039)
2(+1) Harry Styles - As It Was 1,020,935 (+42,330)
3(-1) Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone - Me Porto Bonito 1,007,861 (-3,910)
4(+2) Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) 942,959 (+30,989)
5(=) Bad Bunny - Tití Me Preguntó 898,740 (-20,458)
6(-2) DJ Khaled, Drake, Lil Baby - STAYING ALIVE 875,054 (-68,578)
7(+1) Joji - Glimpse of Us 798,663 (+58,021)
8(-1) Drake, 21 Savage - Jimmy Cooks 785,854 (+41,657)
9(=) Post Malone, Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) 693,739 (+30,862)
10(+4) OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried 633,993 (+48,458)
Beyoncé - RENAISSANCE
13(-1) BREAK MY SOUL 608,563 (+2,855)
25(-1) ALIEN SUPERSTAR 482,877 (+10,732)
36(-5) CUFF IT 420,584 (+2,916)
64(-10) ENERGY 326,136 (-4,375)
75(-12) CHURCH GIRL 308,802 (-6,344)
86(-9) I'M THAT GIRL 293,504 (+2,790)
94(-14) COZY 287,040 (-1,012)
116(-18) SUMMER RENAISSANCE 261,952 (-5,769)
119(-17) VIRGO'S GROOVE 258,767 (-6,306)
149(-31) PLASTIC OFF THE SOFA 246,921 (-3,486)
170(-34) THIQUE 234,214 (-3,277)
177(-32) HEATED 231,741 (-3,458)
Total Streams: 3,961,101 (-6%)
Others:
11(-1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 631,611 (+16,166)
12(-1) Bad Bunny - Efecto 617,790 (+11,101)
14(-1) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 599,473 (+9,668)
15(+2) Doja Cat - Vegas 593,004 (+37,294)
16(-1) Future, Drake, Tems - WAIT FOR U 588,639 (+13,757)
17(-1) Lizzo - About Damn Time 579,720 (+10,774)
18(=) Harry Styles - Late Night Talking 576,815 (+28,545)
19(=) Bad Bunny - Moscow Mule 556,456 (+8,541)
20(=) Yung Gravy - Betty (Get Money) 555,521 (+28,345)
22(+1) Nicky Youre, dazy - Sunroof 515,802 (+27,221)
23(-2) Jack Harlow - First Class 513,332- (-100)
24(+1) The Weeknd - Die For You 500,951 (+34,839)
26(+4) Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place 477,067 (+44,328)
27(=) Bad Bunny, Bomba Estéreo - Ojitos Lindos 475,824 (+17,300)
28(=) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 468,027 (+25,714)
29(-3) Bad Bunny, Rauw Alejandro - Party 454,454 (-5,715)
30(+2) NAV, Lil Baby, Travis Scott - Never Sleep 433,958 (+21,360)
31(-2) Bad Bunny - Después de la Playa 433,922 (-4,249)
32(+2) Bizarap, Quevedo - Quevedo: Bzrp Music Sessions, Vol. 52 430,727 (+29,758)
33(+2) J. Cole - No Role Modelz 430,463 (+29,933)
34(+2) Baby Keem - HONEST 426,745 (+26,543)
35(-2) Luke Combs - The Kind of Love We Make 420,648 (+19,296)
38(+2) d4vd - Romantic Homicide 407,029 (+16,604)
39(+4) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 405,032 (+23,912)
40(-3) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 402,275 (+4,663)
41(+1) Metallica - Master of Puppets 402,160 (+18,628)
42(-1) KAROL G - PROVENZA 400,856 (+10,773)
43(-4) benny blanco, BTS, Snoop Dogg - Bad Decisions 400,830 (+8,732)
45(=) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - Tarot 387,412 (+12,387)
47(+3) Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You 371,948 (+36,159)
48(=) ROSALÍA - DESPECHÁ 369,979 (+25,668)
50(-3) Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World 358,717 (+13,593)
51(+23) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 358,240 (+59,621)
54(+2) Bad Bunny, Tony Dize - La Corriente 341,036 (+16,640)
55(-3) Cole Swindell - She Had Me At Heads Carolina 339,603 (+7,478)
56(+9) Charlie Puth, Jung Kook - Left and Right 339,300 (+26,735)
61(+5) Pharrell Williams, 21 Savage, Tyler, The Creator - Cash In Cash Out 332,154 (+20,970)
62(-1) Post Malone, Roddy Ricch - Cooped Up 330,348 (+14,478)
65(+5) Trippie Redd, Offset, MoneyBagg Yo - Big 14 325,961 (+22,573)
72(-3) Drake - Sticky 313,815 (+9,623)
74(-1) Bad Bunny - Un Ratito 311,093 (+12,347)
78(=) The Weeknd, Lana Del Rey - Stargirl Interlude 304,200 (+14,916)
79(+5) Joji - SLOW DANCING IN THE DARK 301,149 (+22,224)
82(+11) Billie Eilish - TV 299,828 (+28,596)
87(-2) Nardo Wick - Dah Dah DahDah 293,463 (+15,030)
88(-28) Calvin Harris, Justin Timberlake, Halsey, Pharrell Williams - Stay With Me 291,470 (-24,931)
93(+4) Central Cee - Doja 287,660 (+19,819)
95(+6) Cigarettes After Sex - Apocalypse 286,622 (+21,549)
98(-2) Tyler Hubbard - 5 Foot 9 279,107 (+11,052)
101(+3) AJR - World's Smallest Violin 277,658 (+15,219)
109(-14) YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Umm Hmm 268,312 (-2,267)
122(+12) Mac Miller, The Temper Trap - Love Lost 257,623 (+18,954)
123(-6) Morgan Wallen - Thought You Should Know 257,561 (+6,167)
124(+20) The Weeknd, Gesaffelstein - I Was Never There 257,379 (+21,971)
126(+24) Ruth B. - Dandelions 256,421 (+22,487)
131(+41) $uicideboy$ - Antarctica 252,747 (+30,460)
135(+25) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 250,802 (+20,572)
137(+18) Sleepy Hallow, 347aidan - Die Young 249,859 (+17,227)
139(-3) Nate Smith - Whiskey On You 249,452 (+10,516)
144(+17) Mr.Kitty - After Dark 248,448 (+18,993)
146(+36) Pierce the Veil, Kellin Quinn - King for a Day 247,267 (+28,406)
150(-9) $uicideboy$ - Matte Black 246,894 (+11,290)
151(-26) Lil Tecca - Faster 245,367 (-758)
154(-8) YoungBoy Never Broke Again, Rod Wave - Home Ain't Home 243,528 (+8,339)
156(+19) Elley Duhé - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 242,073 (+20,879)
162(+15) Lil Baby - Freestyle 238,621 (+18,019)
169(+23) Conan Gray - Memories 235,977 (+20,030)
171(+24) Jax - Victoria's Secret 233,964 (+20,443)
173(+8) Quavo, Takeoff - HOTEL LOBBY (Unc & Phew) 233,551 (+14,631)
176(+17) Marshmello, Khalid - Numb 232,314 (+17,131)
180(+9) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 230,809 (+14,497)
183(-29) YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Vette Motors 228,519 (-4,591)
190(-42) Calvin Harris, Dua Lipa, Young Thug - Potion 225,980 (-8,135)
192(re-entry) Bailey Zimmerman - Fall in Love 225,072
193(DEBUT) Chris Brown - Under the Influence 224,037
199(-11) Calvin Harris, Charlie Puth, Shenseea - Obsessed 222,437 (+6,122)
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 9, 2022 9:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by firefox on Aug 9, 2022 9:41:26 GMT -5
I Ain't Worried in the top 10. Nice!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 9, 2022 10:07:42 GMT -5
People need to realize, learn and accept that the size of a hit =/= how remembered it will be. A song can be HUGE and still become forgotten and it gradually gets phased out of the public consciousness when younger/new music listeners don’t hear it either. It’s not that difficult. Your experience =/= everyone else’s.
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but we all know in terms of music charts that everyone has expiration date. Apparently it's okay though to discuss a woman won't chart because she is now in her forties or fifties, and when they do it's a rare exception, but we can't discuss other artists apparently, just the approved pulse list. It's all fine here to talk about m5 and alevine and how he's done and not relevant, as pulse has tried to do since like 2013. But Drake, nope!
