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Post by Choco on Nov 10, 2022 14:02:44 GMT -5
I liked the willow remixes almost as much as I liked the original so I'll check these, when they're available for free on Spotify lol. Not that my Venezuelan coin would matter much to her but as much as I like Midnights I couldn't justify spending on any of her singles/editions unless it was actually a 3am edition vinyl with all 20 tracks.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 10, 2022 14:03:34 GMT -5
You’re on Your Own Kid & Karma were right there…. hell, even bejeweled would’ve been better no it's revenge time for "I Think He Knows" never being the smash hit single it deserved to be. |
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Post by Choco on Nov 10, 2022 14:06:29 GMT -5
Da fuq does the patriarchy have to do with this? It's a woman (?) trying to take #1 away from a male (??) with shameless tactics that have been used by acts of all genders (???) Yeah Divine we gon' need some elaboration on that. Let's just agree it's annoying when we don't like the act/song and move on lol. |
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Post by korbel16 on Nov 10, 2022 14:07:44 GMT -5
she’s so funny at this point😭😭💀
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Post by Choco on Nov 10, 2022 14:10:27 GMT -5
Imagine "Anti-Hero (Xmas version) (feat. Brenda Lee) (from the Vault) (Taylor's Version)" blocking "All I Want for Christmas Is You" in a couple weeks.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Nov 10, 2022 14:11:39 GMT -5
Imagine "Anti-Hero (Xmas version) (feat. Brenda Lee) (from the Vault) (Taylor's Version)" blocking "All I Want for Christmas Is You" in a couple weeks. Lol that would be epic! Going to purchase the remixes now just to piss off the crybabies. Oooop and she priced them at 0.69 cents too… |
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Post by Choco on Nov 10, 2022 14:12:55 GMT -5
Imagine "Anti-Hero (Xmas version) (feat. Brenda Lee) (from the Vault) (Taylor's Version)" blocking "All I Want for Christmas Is You" in a couple weeks. Lol that would be epic! Going to purchase the remixes now just to piss of the crybabies. Sis save that coin for "Enchanted (Taylor's Version)". I have a feeling AH doesn't really have a chance this week anyways. |
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Post by Choco on Nov 10, 2022 14:16:32 GMT -5
Wait a minute did somebody already point this out?
These mixes are actually selling really well if she's going to surpass "Super Freaky Girl" and it's 89k. Maybe it's another "Lift Me Up" and they're overestimating her?
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Nov 10, 2022 14:18:54 GMT -5
Wait a minute did somebody already point this out? These mixes are actually selling really well if she's going to surpass "Super Freaky Girl" and it's 89k. Maybe it's another "Lift Me Up" and they're overestimating her? Lol I saw that figure and so maybe she does have a chance to take it. It was only $1.38 for both so I’m helping the cause. Drake has been disgusting lately so I’m helping the cause. |
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Post by Juan Carlos on Nov 10, 2022 14:19:29 GMT -5
Two more remixes available for 8 hours, for whatever reason: Kungs (!) and Jayda G (?) Jayda G, whose real name is Jayda Guy, is a Canadian GRAMMY-nominated house music producer and DJ, who remixed "Cool" by Dua Lipa and is included on Club Future Nostalgia. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 10, 2022 14:20:39 GMT -5
It is TRULY just not that deep 😂. The psychoanalysis is so over the top it’s almost comical. Swift has fans convinced she's doing these remixes for them, and fans of course feel some need to buy everything under the sun to help her, stick it to others, whatever. Advertising/marketing is literally psychology. Objectively there is certainly some psychology at play here. Whether that's a bad thing or good thing is an individual opinion, but let's be real. What happened with "Unholy," I think I missed it? |
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Post by Taylor. on Nov 10, 2022 14:20:45 GMT -5
Two more remixes available for 8 hours, for whatever reason: Kungs (!) and Jayda G (?) Jayda G, whose real name is Jayda Guy, is a Canadian GRAMMY-nominated house music producer and DJ, who remixed "Cool" by Dua Lipa and is included on Club Future Nostalgia. I looked her up and listened to a few tracks after I posted; I'm perched for the AH remix now. |
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Post by awkwardowl on Nov 10, 2022 14:34:26 GMT -5
You’re on Your Own Kid & Karma were right there…. hell, even bejeweled would’ve been better YAOYOK's bridge is the fcking best moment from this album. |
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Post by tobichartmaster on Nov 10, 2022 14:46:01 GMT -5
She has a chance to sell a good portion of copies the next 8 hours. 0.69$ and a chance to get a boost for ticket sales for fans.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 10, 2022 15:25:16 GMT -5
Two more remixes available for 8 hours, for whatever reason: Kungs (!) and Jayda G (?) 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 |
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Post by gikem on Nov 10, 2022 15:29:39 GMT -5
Kungs is not a name I’ve heard in a long, long time.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 10, 2022 15:35:29 GMT -5
In all seriousness though, the question I keep coming back to on these remixes is whether they’re selling to individual fans or if it’s a small group of fans buying multiple copies each.
Obviously making a bunch of remixes available itself is a bit skeezy (though I’d argue it’s a step up from simply releasing new digital covers for the same recording 🙄 ) but if they’re actually selling, is it that bad? The main issue I had with the BTS scenario was less around the use of multiple remixes and whatnot but more around the fact that people were able to buy 16 versions of the same recording and have them all count. If each Anti-Hero remix is selling 100,000 copies to 100,000, that’s legit. If it’s selling 100,000 copies to 8,000 people, that’s much less legit.
In the end, it always for me comes down to how much of an impact one individual can have. Unfortunately, I doubt that can ever be monitored and truly controlled because one individual can buy each of the 4-7 versions of the song out there, PLUS strategically stream the versions, PLUS listen to radio, etc. That’s a large footprint. But if one person is able to buy multiple versions of each of the 4-7 remixes, and has 10 streaming accounts to strategically stream, then they’re going beyond what should be included.
I’ve said said streams should be counted per person rather than per play when it comes to charts. For sales, it’s harder to restrict. But if each version were counted as a separate chart entry, that would make for an interesting result too.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 10, 2022 15:37:54 GMT -5
I’ve said said streams should be counted per person rather than per play when it comes to charts. As in, only 1 stream per week/day/whatever counts? |
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Post by Music Fan on Nov 10, 2022 15:41:44 GMT -5
Can someone elaborate on Billboard's rule on remixes? The last I know is they have to be similar in lyrics, music and production. Is there anything that dives deeper into what that actually entails?
I presume all of Taylors remixes fall under this or else she wouldn't release them. But are there notable examples of remixes that BB counted separately?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 10, 2022 15:43:16 GMT -5
It is TRULY just not that deep 😂. The psychoanalysis is so over the top it’s almost comical. Swift has fans convinced she's doing these remixes for them, and fans of course feel some need to buy everything under the sun to help her, stick it to others, whatever. Advertising/marketing is literally psychology. Objectively there is certainly some psychology at play here. Whether that's a bad thing or good thing is an individual opinion, but let's be real. You say this as if it’s a new idea that you just figured out and hadn’t been posting about for weeks trying to get some support from someone/anyone on it. Anyone who works in advertising and marketing is well aware of it’s association with psychology. Marketing and advertising is literally about appealing to emotion and making people desire something, whether it’s an album, a sweater, a new car, or a burger. This isn’t some grand a ha moment no matter how much you want it to be. As for whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing - yeah, it’s up to the individual. Are people going in debt over this? If so, it’s a bad thing. Are people stressing over not being able to get these? If so, also probably a bad thing, since it’s not essential life or death product. You could say the concept of marketing and its place in capitalism as a whole is a bad thing. I certainly wouldn’t disagree. But let’s admit together, the only reason you’re upset over this has nothing to do with any of the above. You’re bothered because of its affect on the chart. I’d say you’re better off taking it up with Billboard, or better yet, finding a different chart that depicts with more accuracy what the most popular songs of the moment are. I hear the streaming chart is pretty informative. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 10, 2022 15:46:40 GMT -5
I’ve said said streams should be counted per person rather than per play when it comes to charts. As in, only 1 stream per week/day/whatever counts? Exactly. Because not everyone listens to music the same way but if I’m going to listen to a song once a day for the week, I clearly know the song and like it enough to replay it, whereas someone who listens to the same song 20 times a day every day for the week. The song is still being heard by one person. Why should one person’s listening habits count more than another’s if they both listen to a song daily. |
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 10, 2022 15:56:48 GMT -5
she’s so funny at this point😭😭💀 The limited edition remixes, only available until the tracking week ends, is SENDING ME. 😭😭😭 She truly WANTS that cute third week atop the Hot 100. Now I can’t help but wonder if she’ll do this every week moving forward. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 10, 2022 16:03:40 GMT -5
As in, only 1 stream per week/day/whatever counts? Exactly. Because not everyone listens to music the same way but if I’m going to listen to a song once a day for the week, I clearly know the song and like it enough to replay it, whereas someone who listens to the same song 20 times a day every day for the week. The song is still being heard by one person. Why should one person’s listening habits count more than another’s if they both listen to a song daily. It's an interesting idea, though it means someone who listens to a song once to check it out and then never listens again would have the same impact as someone who likes the song and wants to listen multiple times. Maybe there's an agreeable middle ground? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 10, 2022 16:05:55 GMT -5
Exactly. Because not everyone listens to music the same way but if I’m going to listen to a song once a day for the week, I clearly know the song and like it enough to replay it, whereas someone who listens to the same song 20 times a day every day for the week. The song is still being heard by one person. Why should one person’s listening habits count more than another’s if they both listen to a song daily. It's an interesting idea, though it means someone who listens to a song once to check it out and then never listens again would have the same impact as someone who likes the song and wants to listen multiple times. Maybe there's an agreeable middle ground? That’s why I figure a once a day point would be better than a once a week point for example. Because checking out a song is still contributing to a song’s presence and popularity but people only go back to songs they like. |
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Post by NeRD on Nov 10, 2022 16:10:27 GMT -5
she’s so funny at this point😭😭💀 The limited edition remixes, only available until the tracking week ends, is SENDING ME. 😭😭😭 She truly WANTS that cute third week atop the Hot 100. Now I can’t help but wonder if she’ll do this every week moving forward. Well after this week I don't think she'll have any competition until the second/third weeks of December. I don't think any amount of remixes she releases then can compete with the top Christmas songs. Then she'll probably return to #1 at the new year. |
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Post by iHype. on Nov 10, 2022 16:13:08 GMT -5
There already is a middle ground between unique listeners and total streams. Each streaming service has a cap for streams a user can contribute in a day (maybe 10 I believe for majority if not all services?).
Someone playing a song 100 times in a day while sleeping isn’t going to count. Streaming services also don’t even want repeat streaming to count to a high extent since… they have to payout on a per stream basis. Lots of streams are discarded and I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a lifetime limit also that one user can contribute to a song.
The way it currently is with counting streaming is fine imo. Unique listeners counting solely I believe would moreso give playlists more influence. 10 people casually hearing a song on a playlist and never returning to it shouldn’t count more than 9 people actively searching a song and listening to it throughout the day. Songs with more playlist exposure tend to get more unique listeners naturally since they’re being pushed to people who otherwise wouldn’t have listened to them on their own accord.
Also Spotify’s monthly listeners ranking for artists shows the stark contrast in comparison to the actual streams many artists pull. The Weeknd is 2nd in monthly listeners right now while Bad Bunny is 10th place. DawnFM was pretty much a dud and Un Verano broke nearly every Spotify record. Who would you think is clearly the bigger artist on streaming at the moment??
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Post by Music Fan on Nov 10, 2022 16:33:30 GMT -5
There already is a middle ground between unique listeners and total streams. Each streaming service has a cap for streams a user can contribute in a day (maybe 10 I believe for majority if not all services?). Someone playing a song 100 times in a day while sleeping isn’t going to count. Streaming services also don’t even want repeat streaming to count to a high extent since… they have to payout on a per stream basis. Lots of streams are discarded and I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a lifetime limit also that one user can contribute to a song. The way it currently is with counting streaming is fine imo. Unique listeners counting solely I believe would moreso give playlists more influence. 10 people casually hearing a song on a playlist and never returning to it shouldn’t count more than 9 people actively searching a song and listening to it throughout the day. Songs with more playlist exposure tend to get more unique listeners naturally since they’re being pushed to people who otherwise wouldn’t have listened to them on their own accord. Also Spotify’s monthly listeners ranking for artists shows the stark contrast in comparison to the actual streams many artists pull. The Weeknd is 2nd in monthly listeners right now while Bad Bunny is 10th place. DawnFM was pretty much a dud and Un Verano broke nearly every Spotify record. Who would you think is clearly the bigger artist on streaming at the moment??Doesn't this go to the point that there should be a limit on the streams counted? Clearly Bad Bunny is being played a lot more times by a smaller fraction of people. (Although, it'd be interesting to note monthly listeners for the individual projects -- it could be BB latest has more monthly listeners than the Weeknds', and all of the Weeknds' monthly listeners are only interested in his prior projects). In any event, I think a 5 max stream per day makes sense. If I really love a song, I'll play it twice in a day, maybe three. I'm sure people will play it more, but besides hardcore stans, I don't think anyone will realistically play the same songs 5 times in one day. But if they really want to, I think it should count to a certain extent, five seems rational to me. |
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Post by avavago on Nov 10, 2022 16:35:55 GMT -5
Can someone elaborate on Billboard's rule on remixes? The last I know is they have to be similar in lyrics, music and production. Is there anything that dives deeper into what that actually entails? I presume all of Taylors remixes fall under this or else she wouldn't release them. But are there notable examples of remixes that BB counted separately? (2012) ^ It's an admittedly old article, but this says "the guidelines are lyric and melody: if neither element is similar to the original recording, the two versions will not be merged". It doesn't seem to get any more specific than that. NPR Interview (2019) ^ This more recent NPR article has an interview with BB's chart director, who says it's determined on a "case by case" basis. It seems highly subjective, and if history is any indicator, they're very lenient. I couldn't find any examples of remixes evaluated as substantially different in the past decade. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 10, 2022 16:37:55 GMT -5
I couldn't find any examples of remixes evaluated as substantially different in the past decade. Part of that is likely because artists/labels are aware of the rule and make a point to not run the risk of having the remix count separate. Has there been a J Lo "I'm Real" situation in the past decade where a remix is truly 100% different outside of the title? |
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Post by mms82 on Nov 10, 2022 16:38:31 GMT -5
hate u, love u and i hate u, i love u both charted the same week because the rap-free remix was considered different enough to be its own song — only example I can think of
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