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Post by Fanstar1 on Nov 14, 2022 21:22:06 GMT -5
Downloaded the country bulletin and... yeah there has to be a formula change right? The HCS chart makes no sense unless something changed; radio-heavy songs are lower than expected and vice versa for streaming-heavy ones.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 14, 2022 21:26:14 GMT -5
Are we supposed to believe she suddenly added 17 shows due to demand? Lol. Clearly she'd already booked those places. You’re really doing the most. Do you not think these venues and dates are booked and held just in case anyway anytime someone books a major tour? Look at Pink’s new tour announcement and check out all the gaps between dates. Surely there are more booked and there’ll be a second announcement or, if ticket sales aren’t amazing, there won’t be and those reserved dates would be released. You’re really giving Taylor a lot of credit as if she’s the first one to do this when it’s really fairly common. Hell, Mariah herself added second shows in New York and Toronto for next month after the initial announcement. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2022 21:32:45 GMT -5
You’re really doing the most. I'm not a bare minimum person. My partners are grateful. |
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Post by firefox on Nov 14, 2022 21:33:28 GMT -5
Are we supposed to believe she suddenly added 17 shows due to demand? Lol. Clearly she'd already booked those places. I understand how you underestimate her on the charts, but underestimating her now on her tour??? Lol. Jokes on you because the demand is huge. Just accept it. Your dislike over her is consistent though. Lol. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2022 21:34:42 GMT -5
I understand how you underestimate her on the charts, but underestimating her now on her tour??? Lol. Jokes on you because the demand is huge. Just accept it. Your dislike over her is consistent though. Lol. I think you misunderstood. I wasn't underestimating her. In fact I was saying we knew that demand was there all along. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 14, 2022 21:38:21 GMT -5
I understand how you underestimate her on the charts, but underestimating her now on her tour??? Lol. Jokes on you because the demand is huge. Just accept it. Your dislike over her is consistent though. Lol. I think you misunderstood. I wasn't underestimating her. In fact I was saying we knew that demand was there all along. So why the negative tone? It’s funny because I’ve noticed similar tones in your posts in regards to Rihanna, Beyoncé and Britney all in the last month too, as if their respective levels of successes aren’t fully justified. Are you suspicious of all pop stars or is it only the women? |
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Post by Choco on Nov 14, 2022 21:42:55 GMT -5
We can rightfully sideeye the remixes but tbh if a song managed to sell 300k in 2022 it deserves the #1 spot. Kudos TSwift. The song didn't need it but no one else could have pulled that number (and very few people these days could block Drake on release week).
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2022 21:44:13 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood. I wasn't underestimating her. In fact I was saying we knew that demand was there all along. So why the negative tone? It’s funny because I’ve noticed similar tones in your posts in regards to Rihanna, Beyoncé and Britney all in the last month too, as if their respective levels of successes aren’t fully justified. Are you suspicious of all pop stars or is it only the women? 1. Define "suspicious" 2. What men have been having success in the past month? I guess Harry Styles, but his follow up singles never threatened for #1, and he has streams to back him up to at least a degree. 3. In general I don't expect people to keep up with my posts, but you respond enough to have a sense of how I process things. It's not rooted in emotion. 4. If you want to have a serious conversation, please private message me. If you want to just make digs at me, I'd prefer you just ignore me. Thank you. |
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Post by Choco on Nov 14, 2022 21:49:01 GMT -5
I invite some of you to experience the wonder of the block feature.
The few times I've used it said members ended up getting banned. But it was nice being rid of them sooner.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Nov 14, 2022 21:57:18 GMT -5
Not enough to ever do anything to game the charts in his favor, though, which is really what matters. I bet his team told him about the shenanigans Taylor pulled to hold on to the #1 spot this week and that's his reaction to that. Drake definitely cares about #1's... I don't think he would have as many as he does if he (and his team) didn't care to some extent. Taylor was just obviously prepared once "Anti-Hero" needed a boost. And, honestly, if I were in her shoes I likely would have done the same thing... especially with him releasing his album so close to mine. Just my opinion. If Drake truly cares about it, I believe he would've like 25 #1s by now. If he decides to release one song every month next year, most of them probably wouldn't be big hits, but I bet most of them would debut at #1. Some artists will never reach 35M streams in a week, even with a hit song, but Drake does it with 10 album tracks, so it wouldn't be a problem for him at all. Yes, I think every artist cares about #1s, but I feel Drake just goes with the flow and does nothing to change it (except to hide #1 with emojis on his story) and Taylor is like the most ambitious artist ever who wants to have everything under control and never misses an opportunity. That's just my impression😅 In the end, it doesn't matter, they're the biggest Billboard artists of this century, and both are deservedly there. |
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Post by David on Nov 14, 2022 21:58:49 GMT -5
Drake definitely cares about #1's... I don't think he would have as many as he does if he (and his team) didn't care to some extent. Taylor was just obviously prepared once "Anti-Hero" needed a boost. And, honestly, if I were in her shoes I likely would have done the same thing... especially with him releasing his album so close to mine. Just my opinion. Hate to be the one to tell you, but Drake simply releasing music and having said music do damage on the charts /= him caring about the charts. Drake has always been a prolific artist, before he was ever signed to a major record label and before the streaming era. Before the streaming era took off, he'd release free songs on SoundCloud for fans every now and then in batches of 3/4 songs (to the anger of his record label, who'd always try to take the songs down). Streaming just made it easier for him to share that music with even more people and that's all you're seeing with his output rate today. All Drake does is release his music and go about his day. The most he'll do following the release of a new full-length project is to service a song off it to radio/release a music video for that song. That's it. He has never used any of the several chart manipulation tactics to give himself a leg up on the charts — ever. Never used bundles. Doesn't do radio deals. Doesn't release remixes clearly aimed to boost the position of a song on the charts. Never did the "deluxe" thing where an artist drops enough songs for a whole other album. These are all things other artists in his position have done that he's either lightly mocked in songs or in interviews. To your point ificanthaveyou, you're right. Taylor doesn't owe Drake anything and the charts ARE meant to be competitive. I don't think Drake imagines that she owes him anything. He just peeped the EXTRA length she had to go to just to secure the #1 spot and that's likely what rubbed him the wrong way (and he's not wrong for feeling that way, especially considering the fact that Anti-Hero is a hit and would have easily returned to #1 the following week). I know some Swifties who feel the same way so I don't know why you or anyone else is acting like Drake is a monster for feeling the way he likely felt. With all that being said, it's not that deep. This isn't the first time a Drake song peaked at #2 because it was blocked by another song (Best I Ever Had, Hotline Bling & Laugh Now Cry Later are all huge Drake hits that peaked at #2 because they were blocked by another song) so I know Drake isn't losing sleep over it but I fully expect every Taylor fan to do the most with his IG stories post because of course. Congratulations to Taylor and congratulations to Drake. But you have admit that Drake putting that on his IG stories is a little childish, correct? Can you imagine the backlash if Taylor did that? I'm sure your post would be twice as long! |
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Post by David on Nov 14, 2022 22:06:13 GMT -5
Drake definitely cares about #1's... I don't think he would have as many as he does if he (and his team) didn't care to some extent. Taylor was just obviously prepared once "Anti-Hero" needed a boost. And, honestly, if I were in her shoes I likely would have done the same thing... especially with him releasing his album so close to mine. Just my opinion. If Drake truly cares about it, I believe he would've like 25 #1s by now. If he decides to release one song every month next year, most of them probably wouldn't be big hits, but I bet most of them would debut at #1. Some artists will never reach 35M streams in a week, even with a hit song, but Drake does it with 10 album tracks, so it wouldn't be a problem for him at all. Yes, I think every artist cares about #1s, but I feel Drake just goes with the flow and does nothing to change it (except to hide #1 with emojis on his story) and Taylor is like the most ambitious artist ever who wants to have everything under control and never misses an opportunity. That's just my impression😅 In the end, it doesn't matter, they're the biggest Billboard artists of this century, and both are deservedly there. But what's wrong with Taylor being ambitious? I think it's admirable for a her to be such a badass businesswoman. Men consistently get a free pass for doing the exact same things. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2022 22:10:20 GMT -5
If Drake truly cares about it, I believe he would've like 25 #1s by now. If he decides to release one song every month next year, most of them probably wouldn't be big hits, but I bet most of them would debut at #1. Some artists will never reach 35M streams in a week, even with a hit song, but Drake does it with 10 album tracks, so it wouldn't be a problem for him at all. Yes, I think every artist cares about #1s, but I feel Drake just goes with the flow and does nothing to change it (except to hide #1 with emojis on his story) and Taylor is like the most ambitious artist ever who wants to have everything under control and never misses an opportunity. That's just my impression😅 In the end, it doesn't matter, they're the biggest Billboard artists of this century, and both are deservedly there. But what's wrong with Taylor being ambitious? I think it's admirable for a her to be such a badass businesswoman. Men consistently get a free pass for doing the exact same things. What men have gotten a free pass for making a handful or more of remixes and releasing them across weeks to maximize chart positions and gotten a free pass for it? (It sure wasn't the male group BTS.) What men sold four different album covers (or something similar) and got a free pass for it? |
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Post by Choco on Nov 14, 2022 22:12:05 GMT -5
What male act could actually get their fanbase to buy downloads though? Maybe Harry Styles but that's it.
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Post by David on Nov 14, 2022 22:12:38 GMT -5
But what's wrong with Taylor being ambitious? I think it's admirable for a her to be such a badass businesswoman. Men consistently get a free pass for doing the exact same things. What men have gotten a free pass for making a handful or more of remixes and releasing them across weeks to maximize chart positions and gotten a free pass for it? (It sure wasn't the male group BTS.) I bought the Taylor remixes.... I'm sorry! I'm the problem, it's me! |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2022 22:13:06 GMT -5
What male act could actually get their fanbase to buy downloads though? Maybe Harry Styles but that's it. That's a valid question, but that still doesn't counter his claim that Swift is getting flak for things men get a pass on. Men not being able to do it is not the same thing as men getting a pass lol. (By the way, if we're going to talk individual consistency, I have been critical of male Michael Buble constantly having new editions of his Christmas album; there are like 5 versions of it at this point.) |
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Post by David on Nov 14, 2022 22:13:57 GMT -5
What male act could actually get their fanbase to buy downloads though? Maybe Harry Styles but that's it. Harry... but, yeah, Taylor has the most passionate fanbase. I, too, bought all the remixes... I'm sorry, guys! Blame me if you want! :) |
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Post by Gary on Nov 14, 2022 22:14:33 GMT -5
There is a good point
10 remixes. 100 remixes or whatever. It happens because people buy them.
And will continue to happen as long as there is a market
The artists doing it should be applauded. Capturing a market for remixes of the same song
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2022 22:16:03 GMT -5
Lol not directly but that is a good point 10 remixes. 100 remixes or whatever. It happens because people buy them. And will continue to happen as long as there is a market There would be a market for her doing it for non-singles as well, but that doesn't happen why? |
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Post by David on Nov 14, 2022 22:17:25 GMT -5
What male act could actually get their fanbase to buy downloads though? Maybe Harry Styles but that's it. That's a valid question, but that still doesn't counter his claim that Swift is getting flak for things men get a pass on. Men not being able to do it is not the same thing as men getting a pass lol. (By the way, if we're going to talk individual consistency, I have been critical of male Michael Buble constantly having new editions of his Christmas album; there are like 5 versions of it at this point.) I was just trying to say I think men have it a little easier than women. That's just my opinion, though... you might feel differently. For the third time, I bought all the remixes. I'm sorry! |
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Post by David on Nov 14, 2022 22:18:24 GMT -5
Lol not directly but that is a good point 10 remixes. 100 remixes or whatever. It happens because people buy them. And will continue to happen as long as there is a market There would be a market for her doing it for non-singles as well, but that doesn't happen why? How would we know that? We're not part of her team. |
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Post by Gary on Nov 14, 2022 22:19:13 GMT -5
Lol not directly but that is a good point 10 remixes. 100 remixes or whatever. It happens because people buy them. And will continue to happen as long as there is a market There would be a market for her doing it for non-singles as well, but that doesn't happen why? What is A “single”. Is a bit of a grey area and so I won’t go there. Applaud the artists for making money on the remixes and knowing which remixes people will buy If it is a problem. Blame the people buying them |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2022 22:20:14 GMT -5
There would be a market for her doing it for non-singles as well, but that doesn't happen why? What is A “single”. Is a bit of a grey area and so I won’t go there. Applaud the artists for making money on the remixes and knowing which remixes people will buy If it is a problem. Blame the people buying them If the remixes didn't count toward the Hot 100, do you think Swift would be making and releasing them? |
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Post by David on Nov 14, 2022 22:20:25 GMT -5
There would be a market for her doing it for non-singles as well, but that doesn't happen why? What is A “single”. Is a bit of a grey area and so I won’t go there. Applaud the artists for making money on the remixes and knowing which remixes people will buy If it is a problem. Blame the people buying them Blame me, ya'll! I'm sorry I contributed to all this! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 22:20:44 GMT -5
While I still dislike the chart tactics, seeing that insane number just makes me like, 'you know what? I guess she does deserve it this week'. If Rihanna had managed that for 'LMU' last week I would have thought the same. This wasn't exactly some squeaker of a race. Still, a rule change wouldn't be the worst thing. One thing I find interesting is that when these weeks happen, people are upset about the games but usually not the artist. I don't remember people saying Rihanna or BTS are garbage humans. Seems to be unique to Taylor. That’s just not true. If anything, other artists receive way more hate for doing these “games” than Taylor. Taylor gets off pretty easy because of her white privilege unfortunately tbh Obviously someone who joined this forum just to drag Taylor would think she isn't getting dragged enough  |
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Post by David on Nov 14, 2022 22:22:15 GMT -5
What is A “single”. Is a bit of a grey area and so I won’t go there. Applaud the artists for making money on the remixes and knowing which remixes people will buy If it is a problem. Blame the people buying them If the remixes didn't count toward the Hot 100, do you think Swift would be making and releasing them? Dude... what is your deal? Our favorite artist repressed a download for WEEKS until it peaked at radio so she could get her 18th #1.... this has been going on for DECADES. GET OVER IT! |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Nov 14, 2022 22:34:12 GMT -5
Yes, I think every artist cares about #1s, but I feel Drake just goes with the flow and does nothing to change it (except to hide #1 with emojis on his story) and Taylor is like the most ambitious artist ever who wants to have everything under control and never misses an opportunity. That's just my impression😅 In the end, it doesn't matter, they're the biggest Billboard artists of this century, and both are deservedly there. But what's wrong with Taylor being ambitious? I think it's admirable for a her to be such a badass businesswoman. Men consistently get a free pass for doing the exact same things. Nothing wrong, that's a compliment, but I - as a chart fan/geek, don't like those tactics and cheap one-week remixes, and that's my problem, not hers. Yeah, she's a badass woman and I admire her a lot, especially how she handled the whole situation with Scooter, that was just on another level.🙌 wow, this thread is a mess... |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 14, 2022 23:22:58 GMT -5
Haven't the faintest idea how Iris got #2 on Digital Song Sales this week.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 14, 2022 23:27:06 GMT -5
Haven't the faintest idea how Iris got #2 on Digital Song Sales this week.
Page 1 of this thread: would be iconic if this managed to re-enter, though I'm not sure if it would be allowed. it was released in November 2020 in a similar fashion (download-only for 24 hours with proceeds going to charity) and debuted at No. 57 based off of that, becoming both Phoebe's and Maggie's first entries on the Hot 100. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Nov 14, 2022 23:31:17 GMT -5
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