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Post by keatonzab on Dec 1, 2022 19:54:58 GMT -5
has Do They Know It's Christmas? ever re-entered recently
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 1, 2022 19:59:26 GMT -5
I donβt get the discounted singles argument because if a song is garbage people arenβt going to spend ANY money on it, even if itβs only 69 cents. Oh that is not true at all. She has plenty of fans who will spend their allowance on useless singles for no other reason than for the charts. Pulse and ATRL are chock full of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 20:09:16 GMT -5
I donβt get the discounted singles argument because if a song is garbage people arenβt going to spend ANY money on it, even if itβs only 69 cents. . She has plenty of fans who will spend their allowance on useless singles for no other reason than for the charts. Pulse and ATRL are chock full of them. That user never said Taylor Swift didn't have fans willing to spend their money on her... |
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Post by kimberly on Dec 1, 2022 20:14:09 GMT -5
Oh that is not true at all. She has plenty of fans who will spend their allowance on useless singles for no other reason than for the charts. Pulse and ATRL are chock full of them. That user never said Taylor Swift didn't have fans willing to spend their money on her... Are Taylor Swift fans not people? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 20:17:39 GMT -5
That user never said Taylor Swift didn't have fans willing to spend their money on her... Are Taylor Swift fans not people? She said no one is willing to buy garbage music discounted to 69 cents. Taylor Swift is one of the most acclaimed and respected mainstream singer-songwriters in recent memory. Anti-Hero has universal praise across the board so... Sometimes it is better to read something twice or maybe three times before jumping to answer!  |
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Post by kimberly on Dec 1, 2022 20:23:27 GMT -5
Are Taylor Swift fans not people? She said no one is willing to buy garbage music discounted to 69 cents. Taylor Swift is one of the most acclaimed and respected mainstream singer-songwriters in recent memory. Anti-Hero has universal praise across the board so... Sometimes it is better to read something twice or maybe three times before jumping to answer! Bleachers remix of Anti-Hero is probably one of the worst things I've heard all year. Kindly point me to this "acclaim" you're speaking of... the FOUR desperate Anti-Hero remixes have less than 6 million streams combined on Spotify, globally, so even her fans don't care, lol. |
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Post by Music Fan on Dec 1, 2022 20:26:39 GMT -5
Idk about ya'll but im praying for Wallen's downfall cause he is a certified asshole. What makes him an asshole? Seems like people on this board drag for the fuck of it at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 20:29:47 GMT -5
She said no one is willing to buy garbage music discounted to 69 cents. Taylor Swift is one of the most acclaimed and respected mainstream singer-songwriters in recent memory. Anti-Hero has universal praise across the board so... Sometimes it is better to read something twice or maybe three times before jumping to answer! Bleachers remix of Anti-Hero is probably one of the worst things I've heard all year. Kindly point me to this "acclaim" you're speaking of... the FOUR desperate Anti-Hero remixes have less than 6 million streams combined on Spotify, globally, so even her fans don't care, lol. I honestly couldn't care less about your subjective opinion on any music, Taylor or not. That user's post was extremely transparent and anyone who is unbiased would agree considering he changed the description from "garbage" to "useless" Needless to say, deflecting to Spotify Streams doesn't in any way contradict anything that I said either. That user never once claimed Taylor Swift fans did not buy her music. Just like I never once said that Swifties cared about the Anti-Hero remixes. No amount of ranting or nitpicking will change that. Like I said, sometimes it is better to read something twice or maybe three times before jumping to answer! :) |
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Post by HamedM1 π on Dec 1, 2022 20:52:02 GMT -5
Idk about ya'll but im praying for Wallen's downfall cause he is a certified asshole. What makes him an asshole? Seems like people on this board drag for the f**k of it at this point. Well let's see: 1. Man's was in that controversy where he was partying at a bar ignoring all social distance guidelines in 2020. 2. The 2021 racial slur incident that we all know too well at this point. 3. His sales and streaming surging in popularity directly after the aforementioned racism incident. 4. Their was an incident earlier this year where he performed at a venue that actively made racist comments on their own Twitter. And then this last one is my opinion but his music is one of the worst of modern country artists and his vocals imo are no good. I personally am not the biggest country person by any means, I listen to some artists and thats about it. Part of that for me is cause I'm a poc (Pakistani) and when you have artists like Wallen who have all these controversies, it becomes a bit disturbing that they are profiting off that exact behavior. Their are many other country artists who are more deserving of that success and mainstream recognition than him just based on musical output alone. I think that should all be enough justification for why I don't support Morgan Wallen at all. |
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Post by kimberly on Dec 1, 2022 20:57:30 GMT -5
Bleachers remix of Anti-Hero is probably one of the worst things I've heard all year. Kindly point me to this "acclaim" you're speaking of... the FOUR desperate Anti-Hero remixes have less than 6 million streams combined on Spotify, globally, so even her fans don't care, lol. I honestly couldn't care less about your subjective opinion on any music, Taylor or not. That user's post was extremely transparent and anyone who is unbiased would agree considering he changed the description from "garbage" to "useless" Needless to say, deflecting to Spotify Streams doesn't in any way contradict anything that I said either. That user never once claimed Taylor Swift fans did not buy her music. Just like I never once said that Swifties cared about the Anti-Hero remixes. No amount of ranting or nitpicking will change that. Like I said, sometimes it is better to read something twice or maybe three times before jumping to answer! So, no acclaim for the remix you can show me, then? Lackluster streams? But sold 327,000 downloads somehow thanks to the seven new remixes... I think you should practice what you preach before you come to Taylor's defense so fast. People are having a discussion about whether people (including hardcore Swifties like yourself) would purchase a song "even if it were garbage" or if they didn't plan on listening to it, which has clearly been the case for these throwaway "Anti-Hero" remixes. I can't expect you to take off your stan goggles but this "gotcha" attitude won't work here like it might under a PopCrave tweet. |
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Post by wavey. on Dec 1, 2022 21:08:09 GMT -5
I'm SCREAMING. And to add to HamedM1 π' s MW post: he basically got a slap on the wrist from the label as well..meanwhile he increased in sales during all that π΅βπ«π΅βπ«π΅βπ« |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 1, 2022 21:19:25 GMT -5
Are Taylor Swift fans not people? She said no one is willing to buy garbage music discounted to 69 cents. Taylor Swift is one of the most acclaimed and respected mainstream singer-songwriters in recent memory. Anti-Hero has universal praise across the board so...Β Sometimes it is better to read something twice or maybe three times before jumping to answer!Β But some of those remixes are absolute total garbage. |
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Post by Choco on Dec 1, 2022 21:46:42 GMT -5
Odds that Spree actually heard any of the remixes...?
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Post by cking33 on Dec 1, 2022 22:30:32 GMT -5
cking, let's not bring the Deflaters into this now.  In any event, competitive sports is a tad different scenario, eh? Being a holiday song and given current rules and streaming climate, it's very easy for the most popular ones to keep racking up those weeks, whether at No. 1, on the chart, etc. Really not a fair comparison to non-holiday songs that never had such a benefit. Even though holiday songs were barred from the Hot 100 for a long while, they've had plenty of opportunity to make up for that since 2012. Haha. Iβm not a Patriots fan myself here! Just to clarify. Agree to disagree on this one. I see a lot of comparisons between rooting for artists on the charts and sports teams. I want my faves to succeed and break records and win awards/championships or whatever. And I want Mariah to have the longevity record. I donβt think that makes me greedy. Just what Iβm rooting for! |
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Post by Gary on Dec 1, 2022 22:57:16 GMT -5
If there wasn't a 50 year hold on Christmas songs charting all the stats/records would look completely different
White Christmas for instance had 54 chart weeks(with 11 weeks at #1) - Pre Hot 100 and 25 chart weeks since for a total of 79
Add the 50 missing years back in - what would the number be?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 1, 2022 22:59:00 GMT -5
Odds that Spree actually heard any of the remixes...? (As a Swiftie I don't think I have either lol) Of course I havenβt. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 1, 2022 23:00:53 GMT -5
If there wasn't a 50 year hold on Christmas songs charting all the stats/records would look completely different White Christmas for instance had 54 chart weeks(with 11 weeks at #1) - Pre Hot 100 and 25 chart weeks since for a total of 79 Add the 50 missing years back in - what would the number be? And this is exactly why the Hot 100 is irrelevant. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 1, 2022 23:03:12 GMT -5
Refer to previous paragraphs where I stated why and also gave Taylor her flowers π₯° Taylor has the advantage of the streaming era where you can drop multiple albums a year and it costs your fanbase and other little to nothing to stream it and the streams get counted as sales. Whereas, back in the day of MJ and Madonna that was disastrous because you had to go to the store and buy the records and it would cost people money. I know Taylor has released a lot of albums back to back recently and I'm referring to that. So streaming era level of sales dominace is very different from physical era sales of dominance. I will say for the streaming era, she is no doubt the most successful of this era. Except Taylor is selling well beyond the norm for nearly every other artist, and doing so in a landscape where sales barely exist, but she's doing it with multiple albums a year. I get that comparing artists in different periods is definitely impossible and also probably pointless. To me, when you reach a certain threshold, there's no point to compare any longer because you're known by probably every person with access to any sort of media (tv/radio/internet) in the world. Madonna, MJ, etc, have done that, and now Taylor. While album sales might be lower, she's absolutely smashing the conversation right now, which is pretty impressive considering how segmented pop music and pop culture has gotten over the last decade. We don't have the widely-known hits and eras that we used to have all through the rock era up until maybe the late 2000s or early 2010s. Despite all that, she's almost everywhere. I'd say it's a worthy comparison to the dominant artists of yesteryear absolutely. |
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 1, 2022 23:54:42 GMT -5
Refer to previous paragraphs where I stated why and also gave Taylor her flowers π₯° Taylor has the advantage of the streaming era where you can drop multiple albums a year and it costs your fanbase and other little to nothing to stream it and the streams get counted as sales. Whereas, back in the day of MJ and Madonna that was disastrous because you had to go to the store and buy the records and it would cost people money. I know Taylor has released a lot of albums back to back recently and I'm referring to that. So streaming era level of sales dominace is very different from physical era sales of dominance. I will say for the streaming era, she is no doubt the most successful of this era. Except Taylor is selling well beyond the norm for nearly every other artist, and doing so in a landscape where sales barely exist, but she's doing it with multiple albums a year. I get that comparing artists in different periods is definitely impossible and also probably pointless. To me, when you reach a certain threshold, there's no point to compare any longer because you're known by probably every person with access to any sort of media (tv/radio/internet) in the world. Madonna, MJ, etc, have done that, and now Taylor. While album sales might be lower, she's absolutely smashing the conversation right now, which is pretty impressive considering how segmented pop music and pop culture has gotten over the last decade. We don't have the widely-known hits and eras that we used to have all through the rock era up until maybe the late 2000s or early 2010s. Despite all that, she's almost everywhere. I'd say it's a worthy comparison to the dominant artists of yesteryear absolutely. Actually...I can see your point! And I agree. Remember when everyone thought Adele's new album would do super well...well...and look at Taylor who is doing very well. Now that I think about it...and in no way am I saying this is her Thriller...but in 83' MJ released Thriller in music stagnant period sales wise, and this climate as of 2022 is stagnant sales wise and she is still smashing the competition. |
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 1, 2022 23:57:39 GMT -5
Idk about ya'll but im praying for Wallen's downfall cause he is a certified asshole. What makes him an asshole? Seems like people on this board drag for the f**k of it at this point. Did you miss the part where he was saying racial slurs???...   |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 2, 2022 0:23:52 GMT -5
Can't believe it still needs to be explained why calling people the n-word WITH A HARD R is not cool.
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Post by Music Fan on Dec 2, 2022 1:17:50 GMT -5
What makes him an asshole? Seems like people on this board drag for the f**k of it at this point. Well let's see: 1. Man's was in that controversy where he was partying at a bar ignoring all social distance guidelines in 2020. 2. The 2021 racial slur incident that we all know too well at this point. 3. His sales and streaming surging in popularity directly after the aforementioned racism incident. 4. Their was an incident earlier this year where he performed at a venue that actively made racist comments on their own Twitter. And then this last one is my opinion but his music is one of the worst of modern country artists and his vocals imo are no good. I personally am not the biggest country person by any means, I listen to some artists and thats about it. Part of that for me is cause I'm a poc (Pakistani) and when you have artists like Wallen who have all these controversies, it becomes a bit disturbing that they are profiting off that exact behavior. Their are many other country artists who are more deserving of that success and mainstream recognition than him just based on musical output alone. I think that should all be enough justification for why I don't support Morgan Wallen at all. 1. Vaxxed and double boosted here. I agree that was incredibly stupid and inconsiderate of him. 2. Okay, except he's made good on his promise of (1) learning why use of the word was wrong; (2) stopped using the word (of course, as far as we know); and (3) he donated $500,000 to black organizations including Nashvilleβs National Museum Of African American Music and Black Music Action Coalition. 3. Cool -- this doesn't make him an asshole. 4. I'm sure you've shopped somewhere, attended a venue, went into a building, sometime in your life owned or operated by a racist. That doesn't make YOU an asshole. Also there's a HUGE difference between not supporting someone and "praying for their downfall." What makes him an asshole? Seems like people on this board drag for the f**k of it at this point. Did you miss the part where he was saying racial slurs???... See above Can't believe it still needs to be explained why calling people the n-word WITH A HARD R is not cool. I never said it was. Don't twist my words. Can't believe people misinterpret or purposely interpret things to their favor. |
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 2, 2022 1:44:55 GMT -5
2. The 2021 racial slur incident that we all know too well at this point. Also there's a HUGE difference between not supporting someone and "praying for their downfall." Did you miss the part where he was saying racial slurs???... See above As a black person myself I'll say this, first off everyone knows from a young age the n word is wrong to say, so him "learning why the word was bad" is total bs. Clearly, this man knew why, that is something people who get caught saying it say as an excuse. Secondly, him donating 100k to to the museum means nothing to me because why did he donated after he the controversy? It just seems like he's trying to save himself so you can miss me with that bs. I understand you love Morgan Fallen but there's no need to excuse racism |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 2, 2022 1:50:31 GMT -5
I was about to say him donating money as compensation for his actions, doesn't mean he learned his lesson. It just means he paid back in response to his actions, similar to someone paying for a ticket, it doesn't automatically absolve him. Especially since it was just a pledge to donate, not that he'd work with them or even see sensitivity training.
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Post by kimberly on Dec 2, 2022 1:51:35 GMT -5
2. Okay, except he's made good on his promise of (1) learning why use of the word was wrong; (2) stopped using the word (of course, as far as we know); and (3) he donated $500,000 to black organizations including Nashvilleβs National Museum Of African American Music and Black Music Action Coalition. I would like to remind everyone that he made a promise for publicity, but did NOT make the donations until journalists uncovered that he didn't follow through, lol. |
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Post by Music Fan on Dec 2, 2022 1:56:07 GMT -5
2. Okay, except he's made good on his promise of (1) learning why use of the word was wrong; (2) stopped using the word (of course, as far as we know); and (3) he donated $500,000 to black organizations including Nashvilleβs National Museum Of African American Music and Black Music Action Coalition. Also there's a HUGE difference between not supporting someone and "praying for their downfall." See above As a black person myself I'll say this, first off everyone knows from a young age the n word is wrong to say, so him "learning why the word was bad" is total bs. Clearly, this man knew why, that is something people who get caught saying it say as an excuse. Secondly, him donating 100k to to the museum means nothing to me because why did he donated after he the controversy? It just seems like he's trying to save himself so you can miss me with that bs. I understand you love Morgan Fallen but there's no need to excuse racism You'd think that's the case, but it's not. And even if some people "know" it's wrong, their circles act like it's an appropriate word to say. That doesn't inherently make them racist. To your second point, hardly anyone donates anything to any causes that are not necessarily close to them in any which way. I'm Latino, so I personally donate to Latino causes and Latino organizations within my profession. I don't expect anyone who is not Latino to donate to Latino causes. Have you donated to Latino organizations? I wouldn't fault you if you didn't. The point being is that Morgan seemingly realized his mistake and tried to do something to right his wrong. Will it fully right it? It depends on the person. But to me, that doesn't scream asshole. Again, don't put words in my mouth. I'm not excusing racism and I've never said racism is okay. It's not. But there's a thing called learning from your mistakes -- and I personally think Morgan has. |
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Post by Music Fan on Dec 2, 2022 1:59:08 GMT -5
2. Okay, except he's made good on his promise of (1) learning why use of the word was wrong; (2) stopped using the word (of course, as far as we know); and (3) he donated $500,000 to black organizations including Nashvilleβs National Museum Of African American Music and Black Music Action Coalition. I would like to remind everyone that he made a promise for publicity, but did NOT make the donations until journalists uncovered that he didn't follow through, lol. I'd like to remind you that when you want to make something fit your narrative, you will find it, as evidenced in your post. Rolling Stone rectified its article, when it was later confirmed that Morgan, by the time of Rolling Stone's publication had donated $400,000+. www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/09/22/morgan-wallen-kept-his-pledge-donate-money-black-serving-groups/5788855001/ |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 2, 2022 1:59:23 GMT -5
As a black person myself I'll say this, first off everyone knows from a young age the n word is wrong to say, so him "learning why the word was bad" is total bs. Clearly, this man knew why, that is something people who get caught saying it say as an excuse. Secondly, him donating 100k to to the museum means nothing to me because why did he donated after he the controversy? It just seems like he's trying to save himself so you can miss me with that bs. I understand you love Morgan Fallen but there's no need to excuse racism You'd think that's the case, but it's not. And even if some people "know" it's wrong, their circles act like it's an appropriate word to say. That doesn't inherently make them racist. I find it every hard to believe a then 27-year old man didn't know it wasn't appropriate to call someone a very well-known slur. He wasn't 10 years old and didn't know some words were bad, he is a grown man and will thusly be held accountable. |
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Post by Music Fan on Dec 2, 2022 2:00:42 GMT -5
You'd think that's the case, but it's not. And even if some people "know" it's wrong, their circles act like it's an appropriate word to say. That doesn't inherently make them racist. I find it every hard to believe a then 27-year old man didn't know it wasn't appropriate to call someone a very well-known slur. He wasn't 10 years old and didn't know some words were bad, he is a grown man and will thusly be held accountable. It's like you didn't read what I wrote. This isn't a Morgan thread. Let's end this here. |
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Post by kimberly on Dec 2, 2022 2:12:49 GMT -5
I didn't know that, it's great that he followed through on his promise. He does NOT, however, deserve any congratulations for doing the bare minimum he promised to do. "Thank you for not continuing to be racist," I guess. Either way, he's not stupid. He got caught in 4K and showed people his true self, and there's not enough money in the world to fix that mistake. He should be able to live a good life, like everyone else, but he needed to be deplatformed, until men in suits realized half of Amerikkka is racist as shit and will support him spitefully. He slowly returned to Spotify playlists, radio, award shows. He was never really canceled or held accountable for anything, he just dropped some cash. My mind is blown by how passionate you are about defending him β there are so many singers out there who have NOT used racial slurs they shouldn't have who could use this fanfare. That's my main issue with it. Why listen to a "recovering racist" when I can listen to Black country musicians or musicians who have not been publicly racist? Not to mention his COVID-19 controversy β this is an irresponsible, insensitive man, and his actions so far align him strongly with a demographic I have no business associating with. You do you, I guess. |
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