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Post by upsidedown on Feb 5, 2024 15:49:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't stop thinking about the Tracy moment. That's a Grammy moment that will truly be iconic for decades to come. A complete example of what is so great about the Grammys in particular.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 5, 2024 15:53:16 GMT -5
Yup upsidedown I've watched the "Fast Car" performance several times today and cried each time. Chapman's smile at the beginning is so magical, and of course the song itself is just an all-time great song. It's really more like a novel, and a profound novel at that. I like the tweet Enigma. posted and how it highlights the clear reverence Combs has for what is happening, but it also needs to be mentioned that Combs is a white man in country music proudly singing on stage with a Black and queer woman. That shouldn't be notable in 2024, but the sad reality is that it is. Also this made me LOL:
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Post by upsidedown on Feb 5, 2024 15:56:58 GMT -5
Agreed- Chapman's expressions in the beginning realizing the crowd is so enthused by her is just so amazing. Not sure how anyone could not shed a tear at that! Ratings are in - nearly 17M viewers this year, up a whopping 34% from last year. This was easily the best produced show in years. tvline.com/ratings/2024-grammy-ratings-viewership-up-1235143207/
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Post by ππππ on Feb 5, 2024 16:17:56 GMT -5
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 5, 2024 16:27:06 GMT -5
Luke & Tracyβs performance was easily the best of the night. And I have to agree with the above sentiment that this was one of the better produced Grammys in a long time.
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Post by eyeofthestorm on Feb 5, 2024 16:49:19 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, there still isn't and upload of the Luke and Tracy performance from an official source. Hope they upload it soon, will probably watch over and over again.
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Post by ππππ on Feb 5, 2024 16:49:30 GMT -5
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Feb 5, 2024 17:05:45 GMT -5
Agreed- Chapman's expressions in the beginning realizing the crowd is so enthused by her is just so amazing. Not sure how anyone could not shed a tear at that! Ratings are in - nearly 17M viewers this year, up a whopping 34% from last year. This was easily the best produced show in years. tvline.com/ratings/2024-grammy-ratings-viewership-up-1235143207/The Swiftie Effect undoubtedly
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Feb 5, 2024 17:09:29 GMT -5
Trevor Noah should not host this anymore. He has zero stage presence. A waiting room couch has more presence. Why do they keep using him? There are definitely others who could do it better. Why aren't they being chosen? Just because he looks good in a suit does not mean he is host material.
Because the host is never meant to overshadow the award show and the winners and the celebration of music. Trevor has been the perfect compliment to the Grammys and heβs funny without being insulting or uncomfortable to watch. Iβm sure the Grammys doesnβt want a Jo Koy incident eitherβ¦
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Trevor Noah should not host this anymore. He has zero stage presence. A waiting room couch has more presence. Why do they keep using him? There are definitely others who could do it better. Why aren't they being chosen? Just because he looks good in a suit does not mean he is host material.
Because the host is never meant to overshadow the award show and the winners and the celebration of music. Trevor has been the perfect compliment to the Grammys and heβs funny without being insulting or uncomfortable to watch. Iβm sure the Grammys doesnβt want a Jo Koy incident eitherβ¦ True. Perhaps the hostless format they did a few years ago also worked and kept it moving along.
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Post by schnetzka on Feb 5, 2024 17:14:20 GMT -5
I thought the official performances would have been posted to YouTube by now (whether on the Grammy page or each respective artist's page).
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Post by upsidedown on Feb 5, 2024 17:47:52 GMT -5
Honestly it's a crime that the Tracy/Luke video and single have both have not officially been released...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 18:31:03 GMT -5
All this and it's a video of a Taylor stan clapping and a close friend (Ed Sheeran) saying "brilliant. She never told me" One quick look at his profile and all it made sense tho. A jealous failed musician
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Post by ππππ on Feb 5, 2024 19:21:48 GMT -5
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Post by GrΓΌn on Feb 5, 2024 19:50:32 GMT -5
so the moment Celine was announced and came on stage, the camera cut to Taylor and she lost her mind and was singing to Celine's intro song. so I doubt any bad intentions. glad she got to make it right before she exited the building. That is exactly right. Some people just hate Taylor because she is everywhere and they want to pile on. I think the only nominees that deserved to win were Taylor or SZA. Honestly,would have preferred Taylor win song or record with SZA getting album of the year.
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Post by taylor on Feb 5, 2024 20:15:48 GMT -5
17M views in 2024 for an awards show is wild, considering their overall decline in recent years. I think a part of it is indeed the Swift/Swiftie Effect (I know sheβs a big reason I tuned in LOL), but I think it was also the production of the show this year, which I will add to the echo chamber and say was the best in yearsβperhaps the best since 2017 for me. I have a suspicion part of it was also due to CΓ©line. Of course nobody knew sheβd be there, but rumors had been circling around all weekend online, particularly on Twitter, so Iβm sure a boatload of people also tuned in to wait for whoever it was that the Recording Academy had touted as βa global pop icon and one of the greatest voices of all time,β which of course turned out to be her.
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Post by clsvltn on Feb 5, 2024 20:21:12 GMT -5
Why is it always that the voters don't like women, don't like black women, etc. just because someone doesn't win? You do realize that there are literal hundreds of people who don't even get nominated. Not everyone can win. only ONE person can. Who is to say the voters do not love black/women but just felt the music from Taylor more? Or whatever their reason was. I personally listen to and enjoy most of the AOTY nominees. SZA had one of the highest charting songs on my personal chart for the year end 2023 and so on but I would have personally picked Taylor if I was a voter. I don't say in my mind "Oh a black artist has not won since X year, let me pick them this year". You vote for what you feel, it isn't about slighting someone. The fact anyone gets nominated is an honor in itself. And even at the end of the day, a Grammy win does not necessarily make or break an artist any way. Plenty of people don't have Grammys. It's all just fun and games really..nothing to get so worked up over.
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Post by taylor on Feb 5, 2024 20:23:41 GMT -5
Why is it always that the voters don't like women, don't like black women, etc. just because someone doesn't win? You do realize that there are literal hundreds of people who don't even get nominated. Not everyone can win. only ONE person can. Who is to say the voters do not love black/women but just felt the music from Taylor more? Or whatever their reason was. I personally listen to and enjoy most of the AOTY nominees. SZA had one of the highest charting songs on my personal chart for the year end 2023 and so on but I would have personally picked Taylor if I was a voter. I don't say in my mind "Oh a black artist has not won since X year, let me pick them this year". You vote for what you feel, it isn't about slighting someone. The fact anyone gets nominated is an honor in itself. And even at the end of the day, a Grammy win does not necessarily make or break an artist any way. Plenty of people don't have Grammys. It's all just fun and games really..nothing to get so worked up over. The black women who have evidence, thatβs who. Like, did you justβ¦not bother to read Cynthiaβs post? She lays it all out right there. Not her fault if youβre too uncomfortable with that truth. Good Lord.
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Post by clsvltn on Feb 5, 2024 20:29:27 GMT -5
I'm not uncomfortable with anything. It is just alarming here how people always have to resort to thinking everyone is out to get so and so artists because of their sex or color. When it simply was just because voters resonated more with Taylor this year. Maybe you are too uncomfortable with THAT truth?
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Post by ππππ on Feb 5, 2024 20:29:33 GMT -5
Taylor Swift had a huge year and it felt fitting to me that they would recognize her. If you feel like writing an essay about it you probably care about awards too much. This doesn't actually invalidate the huge year SZA has just like Beyonce is still Queen Bee if she never gets AOTY. Grammys are cool if you have them, but if you don't it's not a big deal. It's the same award they gave to... Harry's House for some reason. It's not a big deal overall. *stares at the essay-length post in my drafts that I didn't bother posting yesterday forlornly* Well, let me try to tl;dr this shit so nobody thinks I care too much. 25 years of being told "we should not just give awards to black women to make a balance show" because asking for even a smidgen of recognition for our talent is the equivalent of begging for token handouts in other people's minds is exhausting. 25 years of people getting so caught up in trying to excuse black women being ignored in AOTY that we never even make it to the discussion of how in that same 25-year span only three black women have won SOTY (and that's not even a performers' award so that's a whole other can of worms on its own), or how it took 29 years after Whitney's 1994 ROTY win for another black woman to win that category, is exhausting. 25 years of fandoms, traditional and social media, and even the show itself hyping up the general field so much that there's a general perception that anything outside of the GF is less prestigious (or not prestigious at all) but then gaslighting anyone upset at yet another black woman's GF losses by saying "but she wasn't robbed, she won these other categories" is exhausting. It hasn't been 25 years yet, but I'm sure we will eventually get 25 years of people intentionally bringing up Beyonce's record number of wins and nominations to dismiss complaints about her lack of an AOTY win as absurd or even narcissistic while also ignoring the above point about perceived category prestige, and I can assure you that it will be just as exhausting after 25 years as it already is right now. 25 years in which there were ten where no black woman was even nominated, but only two where no white men were nominated, four where no black men were nominated, and four where no white women were nominated, is exhausting. (side note: this stat includes groups and soundtracks.) 25 years of people on both sides making the argument about the specific artists in a given year when some of us trying to get y'all to zoom out and look at the bigger picture is exhausting. 25 years of hearing that being rendered invisible in any space is "not a big deal overall" IS FUCKING EXHAUSTING.[brief apology for waking up on the bitter side of the bed redacted because 42 years of feeling like I as a black woman need to issue a small apology for feeling whatever the fuck I'm feeling so that other people feel comfortable and non-threatened is the most exhausting thing of all, so I'm just not gonna do that shit anymore]
It was a nice show, overall though. You're such a ICON. Post of the Year
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Post by ππππ on Feb 5, 2024 20:31:24 GMT -5
I'm not uncomfortable with anything. It is just alarming here how people always have to resort to thinking everyone is out to get so and so artists because of their sex or color. When it simply was just because voters resonated more with Taylor this year. Maybe you are too uncomfortable with THAT truth? Its perfectly fine if you have different perspective and opinion based on your experiences or viewpoint but you don't have to go out of your way to invalidate others. Ask yourself why it's bothering you and why you're being so forcefully shutting down this conversation. The answer might surprise you. It's alarming we can talk about everything under the sun and moon and stars but once race is mentioned it causes defensive blow back. A simple disagree and move on would have sufficed. It's not the opinion it's the invalidation attempt
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Post by clsvltn on Feb 5, 2024 20:36:36 GMT -5
I'm not uncomfortable with anything. It is just alarming here how people always have to resort to thinking everyone is out to get so and so artists because of their sex or color. When it simply was just because voters resonated more with Taylor this year. Maybe you are too uncomfortable with THAT truth? Its perfectly fine if you have different perspective and opinion based on your experiences or viewpoint but you don't have to go out of your way to invalidate others. Ask yourself why it's bothering you and why you're being so forcefully shutting down this conversation. The answer might surprise you. Why is your/their perspective the correct one? Why do you all have to go out of your way to invalidate others? And I don't mean to just rephrase what you are saying I am legit asking. Nothing is bothering me either and I'm not shutting down any conversation. I am not doubting in the past there was unfairness to groups of people, sex, etc. and maybe there still is I'm sure it's not 100% gone and I don't live in a world where I believe that. But at the same time, a black woman does not need to win to prove that. I mean for all we know SZA could have been 1 vote away from winning. Plenty of people liked her enough to be nominated. Same as many years. Just because there was a year(s) were women were not nominated does not necessarily equate to unfairness or unjustified nature. Why can't it be that those that voted just felt different pieces of music differently in their life? Everyone gets an opinion and a viewpoint. If anything, they could change the way the Grammys are voted on or look for other ways to fix things if needed. I do not even care if SZA won, I would have just been happy. As I said, I listen to her music all the time and I enjoy plenty of her songs on my personal chart but I would not have personally voted for her against Taylor Swift. It doesn't mean there is a problem with me or other voters if that is how the majority of other voters voted as well.
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Post by ππππ on Feb 5, 2024 20:39:28 GMT -5
Its perfectly fine if you have different perspective and opinion based on your experiences or viewpoint but you don't have to go out of your way to invalidate others. Ask yourself why it's bothering you and why you're being so forcefully shutting down this conversation. The answer might surprise you. Why is your/their perspective the correct one? Cause she is black woman an expressing her frustration on black women issues. Whose perspective else matters?! Certainly not yours.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Feb 5, 2024 20:46:46 GMT -5
I'm not uncomfortable with anything. It is just alarming here how people always have to resort to thinking everyone is out to get so and so artists because of their sex or color. When it simply was just because voters resonated more with Taylor this year. Maybe you are too uncomfortable with THAT truth? 25 years of people on both sides making the argument about the specific artists in a given year when some of us [are] trying to get y'all to zoom out and look at the bigger picture is exhausting. You didn't even try.
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Post by clsvltn on Feb 5, 2024 20:49:23 GMT -5
I'm not going to keep discussing a sadly minority viewpoint on this forum against a majority viewpoint. I'll never win here or have anyone actually have a conversation with me about it - So that's fine, I'm not getting bogged down in it anymore. I said my piece and I'm happy with it. I will now go back to streaming Tracy and Luke's performance
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We have seen those snippets of quotes from people on the Grammy voting panels and their reasoning behind voting for or not voting for someone is total complete bullshit.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 5, 2024 20:56:00 GMT -5
Those voters can go to hell.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 5, 2024 20:58:05 GMT -5
Diana Ross has never won a Grammy and the Rolling Stones had to wait 32 years to win their first Grammy. The way people go on and on about AOTY... sheesh... there are greater slights in Grammy history, people.
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Post by ππππ on Feb 5, 2024 20:58:30 GMT -5
I'm not going to keep discussing a sadly minority viewpoint on this forum against a majority viewpoint. I'll never win here or have anyone actually have a conversation with me about it - So that's fine, I'm not getting bogged down in it anymore. I said my piece and I'm happy with it. I will now go back to streaming Tracy and Luke's performance Exactly π―!! You just nailed what we've been saying for decades and how we feel.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 5, 2024 21:00:00 GMT -5
I'm not uncomfortable with anything. It is just alarming here how people always have to resort to thinking everyone is out to get so and so artists because of their sex or color. When it simply was just because voters resonated more with Taylor this year. Maybe you are too uncomfortable with THAT truth? Because it's not just about THIS year, and if you would have actually read and considered the several posts that have been over this you would know that. Your posts come across like you aren't even reading what people are posting, and if you are reading then you certainly aren't making an effort to think about it. That means YOU aren't actually having a conversation.
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