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Post by wjr15 on Feb 5, 2024 21:05:36 GMT -5
^Is that real? (Referring to Disco’s post) Because if so, the Grammys need a completely new voting body. Some of those “opinions” are downright infuriating and show how the Grammy voters favor specific artists and refuse to give other artists a chance. The voting body needs less personal bias and more objectivity.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Feb 5, 2024 21:09:41 GMT -5
I'm not going to keep discussing a sadly minority viewpoint on this forum against a majority viewpoint. I'll never win here or have anyone actually have a conversation with me about it - So that's fine, I'm not getting bogged down in it anymore. I said my piece and I'm happy with it. I will now go back to streaming Tracy and Luke's performance Well yeah, when you tuck tail the second someone calls you out on your shit you won't ever win, but as a moderator I am genuinely just as happy as you are that you have decided this conversation is a little too big for you. That is the best choice you could make for all of us.
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Post by 𝐂𝐎𝐂𝐎 on Feb 5, 2024 21:11:03 GMT -5
We have seen those snippets of quotes from people on the Grammy voting panels and their reasoning behind voting for or not voting for someone is total complete bullshit.
Not surprised and it's always when their name isn't attached you see the real them Trash. So many buzzwords that they use to disguise their blatant racism and ignorance
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Feb 5, 2024 21:32:23 GMT -5
Wow. That Kill Bill description is fucking wild. leonagwen is that you? 🤭
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Feb 5, 2024 21:40:58 GMT -5
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Post by SHOOTER on Feb 5, 2024 21:52:04 GMT -5
If you sincerely believe that the only reason Black artists so rarely win AOTY is simply because their music (and the music alone) doesn’t resonate with enough voters, and there’s absolutely no other factors that could possibly influence why their music doesn’t “resonate” as much with the voter base (which was 53% White less than five years ago), then what “conversation” is there to be had?
Seriously. Only 11 times in the last 66 years have Black artists made albums that resonated the most with Grammy voters compared to the 49 times White artists made albums that did. So, with this all based solely on each voter’s personal, untainted, uninfluenced evaluation of just the music, combined with the fact that Black artists (and artists of color) do win other awards, there’s only one conclusion: artists that just so happen to be White simply make better albums than everyone else and they are worth rewarding the majority of the time.
It’s quite similar to the patterns of access, opportunity, reward and success afforded to other people that just so happen to be White at much higher rates in so many other facets of society. It’s not as if people of color never get those same things. However, the people that just so happen to be White are objectively better than everyone else in most of the things most of the time and they should not be faulted for that because everyone is powering the same machine and being judged by the same unbiased system. The best you can do is try your hardest to resonate no matter how unfavorable the odds may seem.
Never mind. I see what was trying to be said now.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 5, 2024 22:11:10 GMT -5
Bruce Springsteen, Prince, and Elton John never won AOTY. The Eagles have never even been nominated in the category. I mean, let's have a little perspective here.
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Post by Troublemaker on Feb 5, 2024 22:40:40 GMT -5
Knowing how these voters vote based on feels rather than the actual music takes the joy out of this award. It feels like one step forward, three steps backwards smh
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Feb 5, 2024 22:46:53 GMT -5
I always doubted academy's credibility, but they definitely lost me in 2020-21 when they snubbed The Weeknd and his iconic After Hours era. zero. fucking. nominations. He was on top of the world that year, but I guess commercial success is part of the conversation when it suits them. On top of that, they nominated YUMMY of all songs for best pop solo, and Bieber complained because he wanted to be nominated in R&B categories...
and I hope it'll stay that way.
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Post by 𝐂𝐎𝐂𝐎 on Feb 5, 2024 22:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 5, 2024 22:51:22 GMT -5
Beyoncé's last album had over 100 songwriters on it. That's quite a lot, no?
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Post by 𝐂𝐎𝐂𝐎 on Feb 5, 2024 22:53:41 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 5, 2024 22:53:52 GMT -5
Trevor Noah should not host this anymore. He has zero stage presence. A waiting room couch has more presence. Why do they keep using him? There are definitely others who could do it better. Why aren't they being chosen? Just because he looks good in a suit does not mean he is host material.
Because the host is never meant to overshadow the award show and the winners and the celebration of music. Trevor has been the perfect compliment to the Grammys and he’s funny without being insulting or uncomfortable to watch. I’m sure the Grammys doesn’t want a Jo Koy incident either… But he kept showing up as performances ended to say “that’s right” 8 times. Probably my biggest annoyance of this year’s show tbh.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 5, 2024 22:56:22 GMT -5
Why is it always that the voters don't like women, don't like black women, etc. just because someone doesn't win? You do realize that there are literal hundreds of people who don't even get nominated. Not everyone can win. only ONE person can. Who is to say the voters do not love black/women but just felt the music from Taylor more? Or whatever their reason was. I personally listen to and enjoy most of the AOTY nominees. SZA had one of the highest charting songs on my personal chart for the year end 2023 and so on but I would have personally picked Taylor if I was a voter. I don't say in my mind "Oh a black artist has not won since X year, let me pick them this year". You vote for what you feel, it isn't about slighting someone. The fact anyone gets nominated is an honor in itself. And even at the end of the day, a Grammy win does not necessarily make or break an artist any way. Plenty of people don't have Grammys. It's all just fun and games really..nothing to get so worked up over. I mean, the evidence has been there. You’re just choosing to ignore it.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 5, 2024 23:00:59 GMT -5
Beyoncé's last album had over 100 songwriters on it. That's quite a lot, no? Credits for samples account for many of those.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 5, 2024 23:08:27 GMT -5
Beyoncé's last album had over 100 songwriters on it. That's quite a lot, no? Credits for samples account for many of those. Even Y-O-U could prolly make a great album if you had a ton of great samples on it, no?
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Post by bat1990 on Feb 5, 2024 23:15:53 GMT -5
With everything I just caught up on in this thread, it feels like my intuition telling me The Age of Pleasure getting the fewest votes of the eight nominees is probably correct. But reading those anonymous interviews with some voters, I can imagine a queer black femme recording an album of sexual freedom is probably something that melts their brains and makes them all sorts of uncomfortable and afraid. EDIT: Also that Lana comment. It's been OVER A DECADE since that SNL performance and yet that's what is holding some people back from voting for her???
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 5, 2024 23:33:50 GMT -5
Credits for samples account for many of those. Even Y-O-U could prolly make a great album if you had a ton of great samples on it, no? True sampling is an art. Don’t allow Bebe Rexha to let you believe just anyone can do it.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 5, 2024 23:51:16 GMT -5
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Post by clsvltn on Feb 6, 2024 0:39:26 GMT -5
There was a whirlwind of emotions happening on stage. She shouldn't be to blame for what she did or didn't do on the stage regarding Celine. People are acting like she slaughtered children up there. Celine of course has stiff person syndrome - maybe Taylor was puzzled because she was not sure how to act in the moment in terms of physical reaction towards her. Then backstage, when things calmed down, she talked to Celine for their moment. STOP making everything into something. Not every person is out to wrong someone.
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 6, 2024 0:54:42 GMT -5
Case Lana is interesting - I feel that she is partly the reason why Taylor and Billie Eilish are getting these MAIN awards. She paved the way for female songwriters to be generally celebrated, have buzz behind them and getting some critical support. Without Video Games and Born to Die there wouldn't be Folklore, there, I said it!
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Post by leonagwen on Feb 6, 2024 1:37:27 GMT -5
Wow. That Kill Bill description is fucking wild. leonagwen is that you? 🤭 Kind of not called for bringing up my name! Did you not read an earlier post I made when I said that SZA was robbed of winning the album of the year? And I also said that the prejudice among the Grammy voters needs to stop.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Feb 6, 2024 2:42:37 GMT -5
There was a whirlwind of emotions happening on stage. She shouldn't be to blame for what she did or didn't do on the stage regarding Celine. People are acting like she slaughtered children up there. Celine of course has stiff person syndrome - maybe Taylor was puzzled because she was not sure how to act in the moment in terms of physical reaction towards her. Then backstage, when things calmed down, she talked to Celine for their moment. STOP making everything into something. Not every person is out to wrong someone. Especially when Miley did the same thing to Meryl Streep at the same award show… people want to tear down Taylor and will continue to bandwagon against her like always. It’s nothing new unfortunately but at least she walked away with the prize while the keyboard warriors cry over such an insignificant moment. Cue the Kourtney Kardashian meme: “Kim, there’s people that are dying”
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Feb 6, 2024 2:47:45 GMT -5
Because the host is never meant to overshadow the award show and the winners and the celebration of music. Trevor has been the perfect compliment to the Grammys and he’s funny without being insulting or uncomfortable to watch. I’m sure the Grammys doesn’t want a Jo Koy incident either… But he kept showing up as performances ended to say “that’s right” 8 times. Probably my biggest annoyance of this year’s show tbh. Lol I have a soft spot for Trevor Noah but I can understand peoples gripes against him. But can you name a host in recent years that did a really good job that would be a better option? He’s harmless and tried his best to hype up a crowd that tends to be a little stuffy!
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Feb 6, 2024 6:50:26 GMT -5
Wow. That Kill Bill description is fucking wild. leonagwen is that you? 🤭 Kind of not called for bringing up my name! Did you not read an earlier post I made when I said that SZA was robbed of winning the album of the year? And I also said that the prejudice among the Grammy voters needs to stop. You know I'm kidding.
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Post by leonagwen on Feb 6, 2024 7:59:39 GMT -5
Kind of not called for bringing up my name! Did you not read an earlier post I made when I said that SZA was robbed of winning the album of the year? And I also said that the prejudice among the Grammy voters needs to stop. You know I'm kidding. 😀
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 6, 2024 8:37:03 GMT -5
But he kept showing up as performances ended to say “that’s right” 8 times. Probably my biggest annoyance of this year’s show tbh. Lol I have a soft spot for Trevor Noah but I can understand peoples gripes against him. But can you name a host in recent years that did a really good job that would be a better option? He’s harmless and tried his best to hype up a crowd that tends to be a little stuffy! I really liked his opening monologue. I think he’s fun albeit cheesy at the Grammys, but the Grammys are cheesy. It’s just annoying that he’s always there to essentially explain to the audience why the audience, who is already clapping, is clapping. We don’t need to be hyped. We just saw what happened. It was 3 seconds ago. Sit down Noah. That said, it might be an production idea and hopefully they choose not to continue doing it next year.
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Post by Max_X5 on Feb 6, 2024 10:51:19 GMT -5
Because the host is never meant to overshadow the award show and the winners and the celebration of music. Trevor has been the perfect compliment to the Grammys and he’s funny without being insulting or uncomfortable to watch. I’m sure the Grammys doesn’t want a Jo Koy incident either… But he kept showing up as performances ended to say “that’s right” 8 times. Probably my biggest annoyance of this year’s show tbh. Completely agree. Honestly, I wouldn't have minded if he wasn't on stage with the performers right next to them while doing it. It was so awkward when we'd get this great performance or moment and then BAM, Trevor's two feet away from them talking about what a great moment it is. If he'd been on a different stage and they'd cut away to him, it would have worked much better as a natural (and positive) segue.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 6, 2024 14:25:42 GMT -5
Wow at you agreeing Christina should be included here, but...I agree! I still maintain that Tracy x Luke were the biggest noteworthy thing about the Grammys this year, followed by MC X MC cute moment and Fantasia the powerhouse plus Annie Lennox doing tributes. Everything else was predictable and yawn-worthy. Also, I recognize that Jon Baptist is talented, but he is just so hokey. It's like Happy by Pharrell is his general preset. I might go back and re-watch the show though, at least for Jay-Z's speech. I was asleep during it. Meanwhile, lemme go purchase Luke Combs albums. That man can SING!
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Post by 𝐂𝐎𝐂𝐎 on Feb 6, 2024 14:44:25 GMT -5
Wow at you agreeing Christina should be included here, but...I agree! I still maintain that Tracy x Luke were the biggest noteworthy thing about the Grammys this year, followed by MC X MC cute moment and Fantasia the powerhouse plus Annie Lennox doing tributes. Everything else was predictable and yawn-worthy. Also, I recognize that Jon Baptist is talented, but he is just so hokey. It's like Happy by Pharrell is his general preset. I might go back and re-watch the show though, at least for Jay-Z's speech. I was asleep during it. Meanwhile, lemme go purchase Luke Combs albums. That man can SING! I never take away talent . xtina attitude may annoy me at times and her runs are redundant and extremely extra but that lady can sing her ass off and she has a powerful strong voice. She needs to learn to tone it down much like Jennifer Hudson
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