Billboard Hot 100: 08/05/2023

[jasper0102]

Jul 31, 2023 17:22:01 GMT -5 Gary said:

Country taking the top 3 for the first time ever

If only it didn’t happen like this...

[leonagwen]

Billboard is becoming a joke. Sorry but the top 3 does not represent the 3 most popular songs in the Usa. The top songs in the Usa are between Cruel Summer, Vampire or Calm Down.

[After Minutes]

Aug 1, 2023 0:23:53 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Billboard is becoming a joke. Sorry but the top 3 does not represent the 3 most popular songs in the Usa. The top songs in the Usa are between Cruel Summer, Vampire or Calm Down.

Last Night and Fast Car as far as I'm aware are outperforming those three

[Choco]

Yeah even if you take out sales (the metric most easily manipulated), Morgan Wallen and Luke Combs still get that top 2.

Vampire all the way down to #10 already, it might not even be the most popular Olivia Rodrigo song in a few weeks.

[iHype.]

Aug 1, 2023 0:23:53 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Billboard is becoming a joke. Sorry but the top 3 does not represent the 3 most popular songs in the Usa. The top songs in the Usa are between Cruel Summer, Vampire or Calm Down.

How did you come to this conclusion? Streaming or Sales where none of those 3 songs are top 3?

Radio, where only 1 of the mentioned songs is top 3 while being outside top 15 on Streaming and Sales?

[thebops]

Pulse is an interesting place, at least for those that monitor the weekly Hot 100 threads. I search through YouTube and find several "reaction" videos, many by black people, and the overwhelming take is that the Aldean song is not racist. Hmmm...

[Choco]

Aug 1, 2023 0:57:10 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Aug 1, 2023 0:23:53 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Billboard is becoming a joke. Sorry but the top 3 does not represent the 3 most popular songs in the Usa. The top songs in the Usa are between Cruel Summer, Vampire or Calm Down.

How did you come to this conclusion?

His personal chart.

[leonagwen]

Aug 1, 2023 0:56:22 GMT -5 Choco said:

Yeah even if you take out sales (the metric most easily manipulated), Morgan Wallen and Luke Combs still get that top 2.

Vampire all the way down to #10 already, it might not even be the most popular Olivia Rodrigo song in a few weeks.

Cruel Summer is the most popular song in the Usa. I don't need Billboard to tell me otherwise.

[Choco]

Aug 1, 2023 1:04:31 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Aug 1, 2023 0:56:22 GMT -5 Choco said:

Yeah even if you take out sales (the metric most easily manipulated), Morgan Wallen and Luke Combs still get that top 2.

Vampire all the way down to #10 already, it might not even be the most popular Olivia Rodrigo song in a few weeks.

Cruel Summer is the most popular song in the Usa. I don't need Billboard to tell me otherwise.

Again, what metric are you using, Billboard or otherwise?

[leonagwen]

Aug 1, 2023 1:08:13 GMT -5 Choco said:

Aug 1, 2023 1:04:31 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Cruel Summer is the most popular song in the Usa. I don't need Billboard to tell me otherwise.

Again, what metric are you using, Billboard or otherwise?

I'm not trying to get into an argument, just stating my opinion.

[Choco]

Aug 1, 2023 1:14:22 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Aug 1, 2023 1:08:13 GMT -5 Choco said:

Again, what metric are you using, Billboard or otherwise?

I'm not trying to get into an argument, just stating my opinion.

You're not stating an opinion (i.e. I love Cruel Summer) you're stating a false fact. There's no argument to get into.

[After Minutes]

Aug 1, 2023 1:14:22 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Aug 1, 2023 1:08:13 GMT -5 Choco said:

Again, what metric are you using, Billboard or otherwise?

I'm not trying to get into an argument, just stating my opinion.

That's not stating an opinion, that's stating a delusion

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 1, 2023 0:59:24 GMT -5 thebops said:

Pulse is an interesting place, at least for those that monitor the weekly Hot 100 threads. I search through YouTube and find several "reaction" videos, many by black people, and the overwhelming take is that the Aldean song is not racist. Hmmm...

And truly the barometer of something not being racist: reaction videos on YouTube

[velaxti]

Aug 1, 2023 0:59:24 GMT -5 thebops said:

Pulse is an interesting place, at least for those that monitor the weekly Hot 100 threads. I search through YouTube and find several "reaction" videos, many by black people, and the overwhelming take is that the Aldean song is not racist. Hmmm...

Yeah. It's a funny thing with the Internet, you go from website to website and people have completely different views on things. On other forums it's the consensus that the song isn't racist, even great. Personally I agree that the song isn't racist, but I've voiced my opinion on here, everybody else has. I know I'm probably not going to change anybody's mind, so I just let it go. Everybody is allowed to have their own opinions, even though sometimes we can't understand why. But there are other people who think I am crazy for my opinions too. So it is what it is. I personally think Jason Aldean has been criticised unfairly over this in the press and on sites like Twitter, but thankfully he's got a lot of support from the public and on sites like Youtube so it's not too bad, the criticism doesn't bother me, I just have to accept people won't like it.

[mag]

Aug 1, 2023 0:57:10 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Aug 1, 2023 0:23:53 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Billboard is becoming a joke. Sorry but the top 3 does not represent the 3 most popular songs in the Usa. The top songs in the Usa are between Cruel Summer, Vampire or Calm Down.

How did you come to this conclusion?

By asking the 333 million people in this country what their favorite songs are

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Aug 1, 2023 1:04:31 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Aug 1, 2023 0:56:22 GMT -5 Choco said:

Yeah even if you take out sales (the metric most easily manipulated), Morgan Wallen and Luke Combs still get that top 2.

Vampire all the way down to #10 already, it might not even be the most popular Olivia Rodrigo song in a few weeks.

Cruel Summer is the most popular song in the Usa

by having 13 million streams less than Last Night and fukumean?

[TakeMe]

Has the Hot 100 top 10 ever looked this diverse before???

[mag]

Aug 1, 2023 4:58:11 GMT -5 velaxti said:

Aug 1, 2023 0:59:24 GMT -5 thebops said:

Pulse is an interesting place, at least for those that monitor the weekly Hot 100 threads. I search through YouTube and find several "reaction" videos, many by black people, and the overwhelming take is that the Aldean song is not racist. Hmmm...

Yeah. It's a funny thing with the Internet, you go from website to website and people have completely different views on things. On other forums it's the consensus that the song isn't racist, even great. Personally I agree that the song isn't racist, but I've voiced my opinion on here, everybody else has. I know I'm probably not going to change anybody's mind, so I just let it go. Everybody is allowed to have their own opinions, even though sometimes we can't understand why. But there are other people who think I am crazy for my opinions too. So it is what it is. I personally think Jason Aldean has been criticised unfairly over this in the press and on sites like Twitter, but thankfully he's got a lot of support from the public and on sites like Youtube so it's not too bad, the criticism doesn't bother me, I just have to accept people won't like it.

My take on that is that Jason was used by the media in order to manipulate people and not pay attention to what the Biden’s are doing now with all the drug found in the White House, the new granddaughter, Biden Jr.‘s tax fraud, etc. I’ve seen that methodology happen and being used hundreds of times in several countries. It’s nothing new, that’s how they operate.

[Gary]

Aug 1, 2023 0:23:53 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Billboard is becoming a joke. Sorry but the top 3 does not represent the 3 most popular songs in the Usa. The top songs in the Usa are between Cruel Summer, Vampire or Calm Down.

yeah the top 3 songs nationwide really need to be what my own personal favorites are. I thnk that too sometimes, And sometimes I am right but usually I am wrong

[neel]

The fact a small group of 1,000 fans can steal the #1 by bolk buying and hoarding as many as sales they want, record labels executives can talk down with Billboard executives to steal the #1 spot, labels purposely lowering sales to a cheaper price (if you wanted to know why “One Sweet Day” held at No. 1 for so long then dropped this is the reason why) or giving false reports to retail stores to steal the #1 spot —all tells me that Billboard was already was a joke since the day the Hot 100 was introduced in 1958.

[neel]

Aug 1, 2023 8:10:51 GMT -5 neel said:

The fact a small group of 1,000 fans can steal the #1 by bolk buying and hoarding as many as sales they want, record labels executives can talk down with Billboard executives to steal the #1 spot, labels purposely lowering sales to a cheaper price (if you wanted to know why “One Sweet Day” held at No. 1 for so long then dropped this is the reason why) or giving false reports to retail stores to steal the #1 spot —all tells me that Billboard was already was a joke since the day the Hot 100 was introduced in 1958.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 1, 2023 8:10:51 GMT -5 neel said:

The fact a small group of 1,000 fans can steal the #1 by bolk buying and hoarding as many as sales they want, record labels executives can talk down with Billboard executives to steal the #1 spot, labels purposely lowering sales to a cheaper price (if you wanted to know why “One Sweet Day” held at No. 1 for so long then dropped this is the reason why) or giving false reports to retail stores to steal the #1 spot —all tells me that Billboard was already was a joke since the day the Hot 100 was introduced in 1958.

Or maybe you just misunderstand what the Hot 100 chart was supposed to be.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 1, 2023 8:08:12 GMT -5 mag said:

Aug 1, 2023 4:58:11 GMT -5 velaxti said:

Yeah. It's a funny thing with the Internet, you go from website to website and people have completely different views on things. On other forums it's the consensus that the song isn't racist, even great. Personally I agree that the song isn't racist, but I've voiced my opinion on here, everybody else has. I know I'm probably not going to change anybody's mind, so I just let it go. Everybody is allowed to have their own opinions, even though sometimes we can't understand why. But there are other people who think I am crazy for my opinions too. So it is what it is. I personally think Jason Aldean has been criticised unfairly over this in the press and on sites like Twitter, but thankfully he's got a lot of support from the public and on sites like Youtube so it's not too bad, the criticism doesn't bother me, I just have to accept people won't like it.

My take on that is that Jason was used by the media in order to manipulate people and not pay attention to what the Biden’s are doing now with all the drug found in the White House, the new granddaughter, Biden Jr.‘s tax fraud, etc. I’ve seen that methodology happen and being used hundreds of times in several countries. It’s nothing new, that’s how they operate.

Thanks for the insight Alex Jones, I don't know how us sheeple would've ever seen the truth without you

[neel]

Aug 1, 2023 8:08:12 GMT -5 mag said:

Aug 1, 2023 4:58:11 GMT -5 velaxti said:

Yeah. It's a funny thing with the Internet, you go from website to website and people have completely different views on things. On other forums it's the consensus that the song isn't racist, even great. Personally I agree that the song isn't racist, but I've voiced my opinion on here, everybody else has. I know I'm probably not going to change anybody's mind, so I just let it go. Everybody is allowed to have their own opinions, even though sometimes we can't understand why. But there are other people who think I am crazy for my opinions too. So it is what it is. I personally think Jason Aldean has been criticised unfairly over this in the press and on sites like Twitter, but thankfully he's got a lot of support from the public and on sites like Youtube so it's not too bad, the criticism doesn't bother me, I just have to accept people won't like it.

My take on that is that Jason was used by the media in order to manipulate people and not pay attention to what the Biden’s are doing now with all the drug found in the White House, the new granddaughter, Biden Jr.‘s tax fraud, etc. I’ve seen that methodology happen and being used hundreds of times in several countries. It’s nothing new, that’s how they operate.

I have no idea what you’re implying here. 😭😭😭😭

[Choco]

What is this thread lol

[thebops]

Aug 1, 2023 8:18:47 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 1, 2023 8:08:12 GMT -5 mag said:

My take on that is that Jason was used by the media in order to manipulate people and not pay attention to what the Biden’s are doing now with all the drug found in the White House, the new granddaughter, Biden Jr.‘s tax fraud, etc. I’ve seen that methodology happen and being used hundreds of times in several countries. It’s nothing new, that’s how they operate.

Thanks for the insight Alex Jones, I don't know how us sheeple would've ever seen the truth without you

Snide comments like this are irritating - the poster has an opinion, logically refute it if you want instead of being snarky. For the record, I disagree that this is a tactic by the media to "manipulate people" in this particular case but it is absolutely true that the media in the U.S. is total garbage, biased, slanted, etc. For example, Biden got mildly criticized by the media for not recognizing his 4-year-old grandchild. If that were Trump instead of Biden, with the same exact story, he would have gotten absolutely slammed. Complete double standard. People here would do well to not be so narrow minded.

In the Aldean video, all of the violence was footage from actual events. No actors. I remember the summer of 2020 when riots broke out in many U.S. cities... I believe more white people committed the violence than black people. The song mentions race exactly zero times and is about deviant behavior (car jacking an old lady, robbing a liquor store, etc) The song is similar in tone to past country songs like "Simple Man" by Charlie Daniels, "A Country Boy Can Survive" by Hank Williams Jr. I can understand why some people are bothered by the video, I can see both sides. On one hand a lynching that happened at the courthouse in 1927 - I wouldn't have known that if I was approached to make a video there. On the other hand, you have people on your team that research these things so... But Aldean has been around since 2005 and has never had any issues before so I take his word that this was not intended to be racist at all. Provocative yes, racist no. And going back to my earlier point, you have thousands of people in YouTube comments that agree with me compared to a few dozen people here on pulse.

I don't like to weigh in on non-chart related topics however as I do try and follow board rules (even though that doesn't stop most other people). So if anyone wants to respectfully chat further personally with me, please send me a PM. Since we should be talking about the charts here, the thing I've been questioning recently is the rise in country music on the Hot 100. If you were to say a year ago that the top 3 songs were all country songs while the new single from Travis Scott "only" reached #7, I wouldn't have believed it. Question - is this a result of just more long-time country fans finally starting to steam more or is country music genuinely rising in overall popularity? Maybe a combination of the two?

[Darkest Hour]

Aug 1, 2023 9:05:34 GMT -5 thebops said:

But Aldean has been around since 2005 and has never had any issues before

Why do all the Jason Aldean supporters start the arguments in the same way?

Jul 19, 2023 20:37:45 GMT -5 Darkest Hour said:

Jul 19, 2023 20:27:40 GMT -5 countryfan43 said:

Jason did not choose the location for the music video apparently. I understand some of the gun accusations but honestly saying the song is racist is making speculations (which is perfectly fine) but seems to not be true. I can’t think of one incident he has had with anyone that was racist so unlike Morgan Wallen he seems to be ok in my mind. I know this is a very unpopular take but I just want to put it out there to show both sides.

amp.theguardian.com/music/2015/nov/10/jason-aldean-wore-blackface-for-halloween-costume

(and I am pretty sure it was widely reported that time.)

[gabe]

this website gets dumber with each passing day…

[Gary]

If not for a poorly constructed video, the racism discussion with Aldean wouldn't be happening. In fact, this forum would not even know that it exists.

It charted June 3 on Bubbling Under due to downloads and was a minor hit on country radio for nearly 2 months, without any press at all.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 1, 2023 9:05:34 GMT -5 thebops said:

Aug 1, 2023 8:18:47 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Thanks for the insight Alex Jones, I don't know how us sheeple would've ever seen the truth without you

Snide comments like this are irritating - the poster has an opinion, logically refute it if you want instead of being snarky. For the record, I disagree that this is a tactic by the media to "manipulate people" in this particular case but it is absolutely true that the media in the U.S. is total garbage, biased, slanted, etc. For example, Biden got mildly criticized by the media for not recognizing his 4-year-old grandchild. If that were Trump instead of Biden, with the same exact story, he would have gotten absolutely slammed. Complete double standard. People here would do well to not be so narrow minded.

In the Aldean video, all of the violence was footage from actual events. No actors. I remember the summer of 2020 when riots broke out in many U.S. cities... I believe more white people committed the violence than black people. The song mentions race exactly zero times and is about deviant behavior (car jacking an old lady, robbing a liquor store, etc) The song is similar in tone to past country songs like "Simple Man" by Charlie Daniels, "A Country Boy Can Survive" by Hank Williams Jr. I can understand why some people are bothered by the video, I can see both sides. On one hand a lynching that happened at the courthouse in 1927 - I wouldn't have known that if I was approached to make a video there. On the other hand, you have people on your team that research these things so... But Aldean has been around since 2005 and has never had any issues before so I take his word that this was not intended to be racist at all. Provocative yes, racist no. And going back to my earlier point, you have thousands of people in YouTube comments that agree with me compared to a few dozen people here on pulse.

I don't like to weigh in on non-chart related topics however as I do try and follow board rules (even though that doesn't stop most other people). So if anyone wants to respectfully chat further personally with me, please send me a PM. Since we should be talking about the charts here, the thing I've been questioning recently is the rise in country music on the Hot 100. If you were to say a year ago that the top 3 songs were all country songs while the new single from Travis Scott "only" reached #7, I wouldn't have believed it. Question - is this a result of just more long-time country fans finally starting to steam more or is country music genuinely rising in overall popularity? Maybe a combination of the two?

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{I wont get bog down the thread too much but Ill do my one serious reply today. }

1. I'll respond snarky if I want to and I'll respond thoughtfully if I feel like it. I don't like US News Media either and I think it's also shit but I'm also not going to entertain any people that say it's out to distract people from "the truth" regarding certain ridiculous conspiracy theories. If yoou want a convo about the things wrong with news media, I'm willing to have that just not with people wearing tin foil.


2. I won't discuss the whole "it doesn't mention race" part or the bit that "he didn't know" because that's been discussed elsewhere but to the whole "thousands of people agree with me bit"...that actually doesn't prove anything, that just means there's people that agree with you. I could find thousands of people who think the Earth is flat, that doesn't mean the position is correct or that I'm in the right because I have support.